Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#160 May 22, 2013
kas91 wrote:
Hey guys, please try to stay on topic. The discussion is about AA separatism not about what caused the Financial Crisis.
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True, I & the poster "Asia Latinos" blog discussion & debate on your thread was off topic. I have blogged many, many times with Asia Latino.

kas, I don't know if you are a new blogger on Topix.---- But, with any Topix thread which has several dozen posts, guaranteed, there will be posts which deviate from the initial topic.

Look at it this way.---- The more posts on your thread, the more your thread is being bumped up to the very top of Topix Top Stories forum. Giving your thread more top exposure. Where, more posters on Topix may address your query.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#161 May 22, 2013
dkanela wrote:
I already notice a shift in the minds of many AA with respect to Africa, and invision many ro the continent. Those that will move will be the AA who view Africa as a place of investment and with a bright future.
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Many African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) might say that they may one day migrate back to Africa.

But, African Americans throwing up this statement, compared to them actually following through with the move.--- Is a totally different dynamic.

I'm in total agreement with what the poster kas said. About all of the many obstacles & roadblocks associated with tens of millions of African Americans leaving the United States. Migrating back to Africa.

kas' points which he typed up in his previous post,#73.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TFF39M2... .
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#162 May 22, 2013
dkanela wrote:
the continent is going to unite.
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With all due respect, I don't see this.

Even saying that Africa unites. Becomes one nation.

How long will Africa being one nation last for?

I pose this question, because Arab nations have attempted to unite.

In each & every instance, it has failed TERRIBLY.

Examples of this.----

1. Going back to 1956.---- The Arab nation of Algeria, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco & Tunisia attempting to create one nation.

Under the "Arab Maghreb Union" (AMU).

Right from the very beginning of these Arab nations attempting to unify. Form one nation.---- Right from the get go, this attempt failed MISERABLY.

2. Going back to 1958.---- The Arab nations of Egypt & Syria unified. This unification lasted until early, 1961.

This unification broke up.

From late 1961 till 1977.---- On several different occasions, there were attempts by leaders in Syria & in Egypt to unify again.

Each & every attemp failed MISERABLY.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#163 May 22, 2013
dkanela ---- Several other examples.---- Of Arab nations attempting to unify. Form one nation. But, the attempts failed TERRIBLY.

3. Going back to 1970.---- The nations of Egypt, Libya & Sudan proposed to unify. Form one nation.

Under the title, the "Federation of Arab Republics".


The result.---- Just a written alliance on paper. But, no substantial, concrete alliance which entailed integrating currency, integrating trade, integrating economies & integrating armed forces.

4. Back in 1971.--- The nation of Sudan was invited to join up with the alliance of the Federation of Arab Republics.

The result.--- Sudan turned down the offer.

5. Back in 1972.--- The nation of Iraq was invited to join up with the alliance of the Federation of Arab Republics.

The result.---- Iraq turned down the offer.

6. Back in 1973.--- Egypt & Libya had a VERY bad falling out within the alliance.

7. Back in early, 1976.---- Egyptian & Syrian relations bettered. Egypt & Syria attempted to make an attempt at a form of unification.

The result.---- Right from the very beginning of this attempt, it failed MISERABLY.

8. Back in 1977.---- Egypt put out a gesture of goodwill to Sudan. To join up in an alliance.

The result.--- Sudan turned down Egypt.

These examples which I listed regarding these Arab nations.--- Entailed just a few Arab nations attempting unification.

But, in each & every instance.---- The unification failed TERRIBLY.

Right from the very beginning of the attempt at unification.---- The attempt failed MISERABLY.

So, if just a few Arab countries can't unify.

How the heck can many dozens of black African nations unify?
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#164 May 22, 2013
dkanela wrote:
because failure to do so means ultimately the continued failure of Africa.
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I don't see this.

I say that black African nations BEST path towards upward mobility & empowerment.---- Still rests with the West.

What matters is whom one is aligned with. How they play their cards & chips.

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom have MANY black African Allies. Consisting of many black African governments & black African organizations.

The policies of the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom have been VERY beneficial towards many black African nations.

In my next post, I'll list many examples of this.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#165 May 22, 2013
dkanela ---- Examples.---

1. Somalia.---- Somalia was guided by the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.---

When Somalia had Siad Barre as president. Siad first embraced capitalism back in 1978.

Right after Somalia conducted their war against Ethiopia.

From 1979 till 1991, Somalia tried out capitalism.

From this time frame, Somalia didn't experience much success. It was due to these factors.---

Bad agricultural yields. Somalias food distribution being disrupted due to their war against Ethiopia.

Most of all, Somalia experiencing a lot of internal strife & civil wars between rival factions within Somalia.

With most of these factions being supported by Ethiopia.

But, starting back in November, 2004.--- Somalia has reattempted capitalism. Under their new Transitional Federal Government (TFG).

From 2004 till now.--- There are sectors in Somalia which are experiencing growth. Especially in the south of Somalia.

Again, Somalia is being guided by the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

2. Ethiopia.--- Back in 1991.--- The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom began to guide Ethiopia in capitalism.

From 1991 till now.--- Ethiopia, under the leadership of the Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF). Their leaders, Meles Zenawi (Now deceased --- RIP) & Hailemariam Desalegn.---

Many sectors in Ethiopia have experienced growth.

Again, Ethiopia is being guided by the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#166 May 22, 2013
dkanela ---- Other examples.----

3. Eritrea.---- Back in 1991.---- The year which Eritrea got their independence from Ethiopia.---

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom first began to guide Eritrea in capitalism.

From 1991 till now.---- Eritrea, under the leadership of the Eritrean People's Liberation Front (EPLF). Its leader, Isaias Afewerki.---

Many sectors within Eritrea have grown.

Again, Eritrea is being guided by the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

4. Liberia.---- Back in 1980.--- This is the year that the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom began to guide Liberia in capitalism.

When Liberia had their former president, Samuel Doe.

Unfortunately for Libera, their growth was totally destroyed due to 2 major civil wars.

But, Liberia, under their new president, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf.--- Has reattempted capitalism.

Some sectors within Liberia are experiencing growth.

The Liberian government.--- Is being guided by the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#167 May 22, 2013
dkanela ---- Some last examples.---- Which shows that black African nations hope for upward mobility & empowerment does NOT rest with China.

Which shows that black African nations hope for upward mobility & empowerment rests with the West.

Here are the other examples.---

5. Ghana.

6. Kenya.

7. Zambia.

Ghana, Kenya & Zambia have experienced economic growth.

Ghana, Kenya & Zambia are being guided by the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

The examples which I listed in my post here. The examples which I listed in my previous posts,#165 & #166.---- Shows that black African nations hope for upward mobility & empowerment DOESN'T rest with China.

Black African nations hope for upward mobility & empowerment has rested with the West.

Black African nations hope for upward mobility & empowerment STILL rests with the West.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#168 May 22, 2013
dkanela wrote:
With Chinese investment and assistance with infrastructure, those leaders you suggested eill have no alternative.
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Oh no.

Granted, there is a Chinese presence in the black African nations of Zimbabwe & the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

A much lesser Chinese presence in the black African nations of Ghana, Cameroon, Zambia, Ethiopia & Kenya.

But, the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom still hold a WAY, WAY more dominant presence throughout black Africa.

In my previous posts,#62 & #64 I listed many points which show this dynamic at work.----

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TFF39M2... .
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#169 May 22, 2013
dkanela wrote:
those leaders you suggested eill have no alternative.
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I don't see this at all.

Those respective black Africans which I listed in one of my previous responses back to you.---- It isn't "just" those black African leaders. It isn't just their support bases.

It entails all of the black African nations & black African organizations which I listed in my previous posts,#39 & #40.

Including their support bases.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TFF39M2... .

So, the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom can call upon many, many different black African governments & black African organizations.---

To sabotage Africa from becoming one nation.

In years to come, even if Africa would become one nation.---- The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom have so MANY Allies throughout black Africa.---

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.---- Could call upon many, many different black African Allies to breakup African unification.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#170 May 22, 2013
kas91 wrote:
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.
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kas, your 5 points above.---- You are absolutely correct.

But, at the same time, there are still many, many White-Americans who have made profits. OFF of the African American masses.

There are still many, many White-Americans who are still making profits. OFF of the African American masses.

In my previous posts,#111 & #112, I pointed out the economic dynamic. Primarily as it pertained to Marcus Garvey. Especially as to why the White-Americans who were in businesses DIDN'T want to see African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) having their own independent nation.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TFF39M2... .
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#171 May 22, 2013
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
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Your 2 points above.---- You are 150% correct.

Yes, White supremacy has somewhat changed on the top layers. But, at its core, it is the same. The exact same such as what is has been for a little over 400 years ago.

This is the deal.----

Before 1965.---- It was very much exclusively between African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) & White-Americans.

After 1965.---- After the Democrats & Republicans crafted & passed the Immigration Act of 1965. After our nations president back then, Democrat Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ) signed the Immigration Act of 1965 into law.---

Soon after, Asian-Americans were called the "Model Minority".

Along with this, Asian-Americans were given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Here's a link which shows a very, very small aspect of this dynamic at work.----

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_... .

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are viewed as being a racial buffer class. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#172 May 22, 2013
kas91 wrote:
has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
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You are absolutely correct.

Other examples.----

In the United States, blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given what could equate to a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status".

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being elevated & advanced.

AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Examples of this.---

1. Many of the United States businesses are phasing out their African American (Descendants of black American slaves) employees.

For workers who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

2. Many (If not most) of the United States Institutions of higher learning are admitting & accepting blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

IN PLACE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This is especially happening at Americas Ivy League Universities.

This dynamic has been written about very extensively by African American lawyer, scholar & civil rights activist, Lani Guinier.

This dynamic has also been written about very extensively by African American literary critic, educator, scholar, writer & editor, Henry Louis Gates, Jr..

To a lesser extent ((Compared to Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included)).---- Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are also viewed as being a buffer class.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#173 May 22, 2013
kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>
For AAs, going back to Africa wouldn't be feasible. All of the nations that make up Africa have land, governments with national policies, peoples etc. For any country a potential flood of tens of millions of migrants would be a nightmare, that's like if tomorrow all of the White Americans decided to go back to Europe. Regardless of how much they could contribute to Europe it still doesn't get past the fact that various countries would have to allocate significant funds to building the infrastructure, housing, educational and health facilities and job opportunities to soak in such a massive influx of people. It has to be in the USA..
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kas, your 6 points above.---- You are absolutely correct.

Your last point above.--- Where you said "It has to be in the USA".---- This would be the logical path.

But, even the African American (Descendants of black American slaves) hardcore proponents of African Americans having their own independent nation.---- Are still very leery.

They still don't think that the African American masses could successfully carry this out.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#175 May 22, 2013
kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>It has to be in the USA..
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If African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) would attempt to establish their own autonomous or "independent" territory within the continental United States.--- They CANNOT expect financial help from the United States federal government.

This is why.---- Even the United States non-Hispanic White political left wing has abandoned African Americans.

For the United States future, even the non-Hispanic White political left wing is fully banking on Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included).

The United States non-Hispanic White political left wing used to support African Americans. In 3 different time frames in America. Here they are.---

1. From 1902 till 1933.---- Non-Hispanic White union leaders primarily reached out to African Americans. As a support base.

2. From 1933 till 1964.---- Non-Hispanic White Democratic Party leaders & non-Hispanic White union leaders primarily reached out to African Americans. As a support base.

3. From 1964 till 2000.--- Non-Hispanic White leaders of the United States "New Left Movement", non-Hispanic White leaders of the Democratic Party & non-Hispanic White union leaders primarily reached out to African Americans as a support base.

4. From 1964 till 2000.---- The United States non-Hispanic White liberal leaders (Primarily Americas Eastern state liberal leaders) primarily reached out to African Americans as a support base.

But, back in 2002.--- This all changed.

This all changed, because Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) overtook African Americans. As being the United States numerically dominant "minority".

Legal Hispanics & illegal Hispanics FAR outnumber African Americans in the United States.

Illegal Hispanics have to be included with legal Hispanics. Because the United States Hispanic lobbying organizations represent legal Hispanics & illegal Hispanics.

So, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) FAR, FAR outnumber African Americans in this nation.

Even the United States non-Hispanic White political left wing.--- Can see that Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are the United States future.

From 2002 till now.---- The United States non-Hispanic White leaders of the New Left Movement (2000s version of the 1960s Left wing counterculture), non-Hispanic White liberal leaders (Primarily Americas Eastern state liberal establishment), non-Hispanic White union leaders & non-Hispanic White leaders of the Democratic Party.---

Have been EXCLUSIVELY seeking out Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included). As a support base.

So, if African American want to establish their own autonomous or "independent" land within the borders of the continental United States.----

African Americans won't be getting assistance from the United States federal government.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#176 May 22, 2013
UWORLDIDIOTRACE ---- I have to step out now. Regarding your 5 previous posts which you addressed to me.--- Hopefully, I should have some time by Saturday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.

“Leading the Revolution”

Since: Oct 09

Washington, DC

#181 May 28, 2013
Johnny

I personally believe we are witnessing history in relation to Africa, the time is almost perfect for the continent to unite.

This is what I assume will happen: as the US gets more involved in the Middle East and Asia, the US will not have the money to continue bribing many of these so called African leaders.

With almost certainty the dollar will collapse, soon after the World will witness it's third world war. It will become the interest of Africa to unite, because of the uncertainty of the world after the war. I believe this is the time when mass numbers of African Americans and other diasporians will depart for Africa.

I don't Africa playing a large role in the great war, so by uniting she stands to benefit.

There are several other scenarios I could poosibly see playing out, but I want your take so far.

“Leading the Revolution”

Since: Oct 09

Washington, DC

#182 May 28, 2013
"Don't see Africa "*typo
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#183 May 28, 2013
UWORLDIDIOTRACE ---- On Saturday afternoon, I had some time & logged on to respond back to your 5 previous posts which you addressed to me.

Each & every one of your posts was deleted.

This is probably why this happened.--- In a couple of your previous posts to 2 other posters, you typed up a few profane words.

That is probably why your posts were deleted.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#184 May 28, 2013
dkanela ---- Unfortunately, I don't have time this evening. I have to step back out. Hopefully, I should have some time by Saturday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.

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