Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#134 May 19, 2013
kas --- You said "Under the right leadership, a separate nation for AAs could reach impressive feats in terms of overall economic might, and the living standards and quality of life of its citizens".---

Your first statement above.---- Under the "right leadership".

I state this, because African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) having the "right leadership" is a BIG "what if".

I point this out, because Democrat African American mayors HAVEN'T done well at all leading & managing these respective American cities.----

Detroit, Michigan.

Gary, Indiana.

New Orleans, Louisiana.

Washington D.C..

Newark, New Jersey.

Oakland, California.

Richmond, California.

In addition, the African American population in all of the respective cities which I listed in my post here.---- They are NOT doing well at all.

There is A LOT of crime, drop outs, illegitimate birth rates, etc..
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#135 May 19, 2013
kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>Under the right leadership, a separate nation for AAs could reach impressive feats in terms of overall economic might, and the living standards and quality of life of its citizens. If it were to ever work out for the better then the USA would have a significantly smaller welfare bill (one would assume so anyway) and a new prosperous trade and investment partner in the separate AA nation.
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Your first point above, where you said.---- "Under the right leadership".

I specifically am pointing this out, because an African American (Descendants of black American slaves) independent nation having the "right leadership" is a BIG "what if".

I state this, because African American run & managed cities.---- HAVEN'T done well at all.

Democrat African American mayors HAVEN'T done well at all leading & managing cities.

In my previous post,#134, I listed 7 such examples of this dynamic.

In addition, the African American population in all of these United States urban centers ISN'T doing well at all.---

Los Angeles, California.

Birmingham, Alabama.

Dallas, Texas.

Houston, Texas.

Bronx, New York. Primarily the South Bronx.

Brooklyn, New York.

Harlem, New York.

Mount Vernon, New York.

Detroit, Michigan.

Gary, Indiana.

New Orleans, Louisiana.

Washington D.C..

Newark, New Jersey.

Oakland, California.

Richmond, California.

So, an independent African American nation having the "right leadership" is a BIG "what if".

An independent African American nation under African American leaders.---- How would the African American masses do?

Considering how the African American masses are faring in all of these United States urban centers.--- It is VERY highly doubtful that the African American masses would do better in an African American led & managed independent nation.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#136 May 19, 2013
kas --- An observation. A comparison.----

Back in World War 2, the United States fought against the radical Right wing governments of Nazi Germany & the Empire of Imperial Fascist Japan.

Throughout the World War 2 years, UNTOLD devastation was inflicted on Germany & on Japan.

The United States won World War 2.

Germany & Japan were defeated.

Despite Germany & Japan being enemy nations throughout the World War 2 years.---- The United States federal government (The American taxpayers collectively) invested in & rebuilt Germany & Japan.

White-Americans didn't oppose this. Because Germans living in Germany are NOT a threat to White America.

Japanese living in Japan are NOT a threat to White America.

The United States invested in & rebuilt Germany & Japan, mainly because they felt that they would get their investments back.

But, a type of "Marshal Plan" has NEVER been implemented for African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This is why.---- The White-American masses, White-Americans in businesses, White-Americans in the business lobby & White-American politicians feel that investing in the African American community.--- That they wouldn't get their returns back.

The White-American masses, White-Americans in businesses, White-Americans in the business lobby & White-American politicians feel that the African American (Descendants of black American slaves) community is a totally hopeless & a totally lost cause.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#137 May 19, 2013
kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>It's going to have to happen sooner or later, whether AAs like it or not.
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With all due respect, I don't see this happening.

I state this, because "if" an independent African American (Descendants of black American slaves) nation was to happen within the borders of the continental United States, it would have happened by now. But, it hasn't.

An independent African American nation hasn't come to fruition within the borders of the continental United States.--- Is due to all of the many, different (Titanic at this) obstacles involved.

kas, here are some other factors & variables.----

Which are the organizations which are pushing for an independent African American nation?---

1. Nation of Islam (NOI) organization.

2. New Black Panther Party (NBPP) organization.

Both the Nation of Islam & the New Black Panther Party are VERY threatening to White America.

Even more so, the Nation of Islam & the New Black Panther Party are WAY more of a threat to the American Establishment.

"If" there would ever be an independent African American nation within the borders of the continental United States.---- It would be comprised of leaders of the mold of the Nation of Islam or New Black Panther Party.

This would be a MAJOR threat to White America.

Even more so, this would be a MAJOR threat to the American Establishment.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#138 May 19, 2013
kas ---- With all due respect, you being a black Brit who is living in the United States.---- You may not be aware of some of the subsets of the group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics in the United States.

In the United States, there is WAY, WAY MORE racial division & polarization between African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) & White-Americans.

Compared to people of African descent & Whites in the United Kingdom.

In the United States, there is a lot of VERY bad history between African Americans & White-Americans.

In the United States, there is a lot of VERY bad blood between African Americans & White-Americans.

A lot of very bad overhead & red tape which is associated with this very bad history.

African Americans numbers in the United States, along with left wing African American leaders.----If African Americans would get an independent nation within the borders of the continental United States.---

This would VERY much be a threat to White America.

Even more so, this would VERY much be a threat to the American Establishment.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#139 May 19, 2013
kas ---- Former African American leader, Booker T. Washington said that "If a Negro wants to be a leader, for a Negro to be an effective leader, he cannot be threatening to Whites".

He cannot be threatening to the American Establishment.

Going back to early, 1963, in Ethiopia.---- Ethiopian leaders back then, Haile Selassie & Kifle Wodajo both stated that "For an African leader to be an effective leader, he cannot be threatening to the West".

He cannot be threatening to Western interests.

2 such examples of this.----

1. Kenyas former leader, Jomo Kenyatta.--- From 1931 till 1959.--- Jomos writings were very critical of Western nations.

Kenyattas speaches which he gave, were very critical of Western nations.

But, back in around mid, 1959.--- Jomo totally changed his writings.

Kenyatta totally changed his speeches.

Jomo became pro Western, pro capitalist, anti communist & pro Western foreign policy.

Kenyattas change in mid, 1959.--- Probably SAVED him.

2. Tanzanias former leader, Julius Nyerere.---

At the start of Julius' student career at the University, up until the mid point of his presidential rule.--- Nyereres writings were very critical of the Western nations.

Julius' speeches were very critical of the Western nations.

But, at the midway point of Nyereres presidential rule, he totally changed his writings.

Julius totally changed his speeches.

Nyerere became pro Western, pro capitalist, anti communist & pro Western foreign policy.

Julius' change at the midway point of his presidential rule.---- Probably SAVED him.


This is the premise.---- If a black leader wants to be successful. If a black nation wants to be successful.---- They CANNOT be threatening to Whites.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#140 May 19, 2013
kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>
For AAs, going back to Africa wouldn't be feasible. All of the nations that make up Africa have land, governments with national policies, peoples etc. For any country a potential flood of tens of millions of migrants would be a nightmare, that's like if tomorrow all of the White Americans decided to go back to Europe. Regardless of how much they could contribute to Europe it still doesn't get past the fact that various countries would have to allocate significant funds to building the infrastructure, housing, educational and health facilities and job opportunities to soak in such a massive influx of people. It has to be in the USA..
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Your post above was directed towards a different poster. He didn't respond back. But, I'll address it.

Your 6 points above.---- You are 150% correct.

But kas, here's another factor which one must take into account.---

If a war would ever break out.

With tens & tens of millions of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) being bunched in, within a relatively small square area, they could be decimated with diseases.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#141 May 19, 2013
kas ---- I have to step out now. I still have to respond back to another one of your previous posts. Hopefully, I should have some time by Wednesday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.

In the meantime, later.

“Leading the Revolution”

Since: Oct 09

Washington, DC

#144 May 19, 2013
Johnny- while I respect and value your opinion, the continent is going to unite, because failure to do so means ultimately the continued failure of Africa.

With Chinese investment and assistance with infrastructure, those leaders you suggested eill have no alternative. Yes it's a direct threat to the west, however, it's necessary for the lives of Africans.

I already notice a shift in the minds of many AA with respect to Africa, and invision many ro the continent. Those that will move will be the AA who view Africa as a place of investment and with a bright future.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#145 May 21, 2013
Asian Latin Vibes wrote:
<quoted text>Why you like to repeat most your posts, every thread you offer the same o' same ol as most of your posts are word for word with no changes in meaning?
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Uh "every thread"?---- Absolutely nothing of the sort.

You stating "every thread".--- That is the ultimate case of double talk & hypocrisy on your part.


Considering that you have been posting on DOZENS of different threads on Topix Top Stories forum for a few years now.

Typing up one post after another. In each & every one of your posts, your theme is the exact, same.

You type up points which are VERY critical & negative of the United States & Israel.

Yet, you always very conveniently omit the factors & variables of what happened. BEFORE the United States & Israel took their military actions.

You always very conveniently omit the reasons as to WHY the United States & Israel take the military actions which they do.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#146 May 21, 2013
Asian Latin Vibes wrote:
<quoted text>word for word with no changes in meaning?
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My one previous post which you quoted.---- A few, different times I have typed up similar points. It was in relation to responses back to other posters regarding the United States group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics.

The reality is that race matters. It always has. It always will.

The reality is that there are many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies.

In my previous blog discussion & debates with African American posters such as Bob (From Cleveland), Nat Turner & mindgames.--- They also were totally well aware of all of the different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies.

In addition, race VERY much factors in with the United States federal governments policy in regards to which immigrants get accepted into this nation.

If you'd like, I can give many examples of this.

Again, the reality is that race matters. It always has. It always will.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#148 May 21, 2013
Asian Latin Vibes wrote:
<quoted text>Lets talk about hoe the Whites even Fvcked their own Middle Class Whites.
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Somewhat true.

You are NOT pointing out the full story regarding this dynamic.

This is the deal.----

The banks did NOT cause the United States economic troubles.

This nations economic troubles were caused by the Democrats.

Very soon after the Democrats won back the House & Senate. Back in the November, 2006 election.--- The Democrats pushed for everyone to own a home. The top Democrats who did this were Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank & Christopher Dodd.

Also, all of the African American (Descendants of black American slaves) Democrats who were with the Congressional Black Caucus.

The Democrats did this for votes. So that they could get re-elected to office.

Americans in the upper class, upper middle class, mid middle class & lower middle class / working class paid for the underclasses homes.

The buyers bit off more than what they could chew.

The Republicans wanted to & TRIED to regulate Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac back as 2005.

The Republicans even tried to regulate Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac even back as early as 2003.

But, the Republicans were blocked by the Democrats.

The top Democrats who blocked the Republicans were these.---

Maxine Waters (Democrat --- California), Gregory Meeks (Democrat --- New York), Barney Frank (Democrat --- Massachusetts) & Christopher Dodd (Democrat --- Connecticut).

In addition, many regulations were also removed under the previous presidential administrations of Democrats Bill Clinton & Jimmy Carter.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#149 May 21, 2013
Asian Latin Vibes wrote:
<quoted text>Lets talk about hoe the Whites even Fvcked their own Middle Class Whites.
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"A contination".---- Regarding the Subprime Crisis & the Democrats.----

It goes back to 1977.---- When the United States Democrats in the House & Senate crafted & passed "The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA)". Our nations president back then, Democrat Jimmy Carter signing the Community Reinvestment Act into law.

The Community Reinvestment Act entailed giving loans to people who CAN'T afford it.

Then, under the United States former presidential administration of Democrat Bill Clinton.--- Bill Clinton revised the Community Reinvestment Act.

The real push for everyone to own a home really got into full throttle soon after the Democrats won back the House & Senate. Back in the November, 2006 election.

The Democrats are always after big businesses, after the banks & after the insurance companies.

The Democrats are also always after all of the other sectors in the private sector.

The Democrats FORCED the banks to make the loans to people who were not qualified. The Democrats FORCED the banks to make loans to people who were not capable & not competent towards paying it back.

In addition, the Democrats even forced banks to open up in poor & in high crime areas.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#150 May 21, 2013
Asian Latin Vibes wrote:
<quoted text>Lets talk about hoe the Whites even Fvcked their own Middle Class Whites.
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Some last points regarding this dynamic.--- To show how the Republicans attempt to regulate was blocked by the Democrats.

Back even as early as 2003.--- The United States Congress had a Republican majority. But, the Republicans attempt to regulate was blocked by the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.

The Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs had a numerical majority of Democratic Party members.

As a result of this, it was unable to even make it out on to the floor of the Senate for a vote by them. Since, it has to make it through committee first.

Here's a link which shows what happened back in 2003. Regarding how the Republicans attempt at regulation was blocked by the Democrats.
----

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/ne... .
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#151 May 21, 2013
ASIAN LATIN VIBES wrote:
<quoted text>i mean every thread that you involved in, had same writings on same topic repeated so many time but with little change in meanings... Smile !
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Uh, absolutely nothing of the sort.

Examples of this.---- Our very extensive & in-depth blog discussion & debate on that other thread.

About these topics.---

Haiti, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) & the World Bank.

Also, about the foreign policy of the United States.

The actions of Israels government.

NEVER once did I ever type up any such points about the group dynamics, racial dynamics or racial politics in the United States.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#152 May 21, 2013
ASIAN LATIN VIBES wrote:
<quoted text>Then why 139 nations gave big middle Fingers to Israel /US
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Even if these 139 nations in the United Nations were critical of the actions of the United States & Israel.--- So what.

This is why.----- These 139 nations do not have interests in foreign lands.

Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom have very extensive interests in many, many foreign nations.

Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom have many Allies in many, many foreign nations. Which must be protected.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#153 May 21, 2013
dkanela ---- I have to step out now. I still have to respond back to your several previous points which you addressed to me about Africa becoming one nation. Hopefully, I should have some time by Friday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.
Max

Montréal, Canada

#155 May 21, 2013
When blacks will go out and colonize some land, I hope they wear US or British suits while doing it. :)

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#157 May 21, 2013
Hey guys, please try to stay on topic. The discussion is about AA separatism not about what caused the Financial Crisis.
lynn

Salyersville, KY

#159 May 21, 2013
Captain O wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you live in Disneyland?
"This is one of the most requested programs in FRONTLINE's history. It is about an Iowa schoolteacher who, the day after Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered in 1968, gave her third-grade students a first-hand experience in the meaning of discrimination. This is the story of what she taught the children, and the impact that lesson had on their lives."
Watch this 46:00 program here in five consecutive chapters:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
Where I live has no concern this is just how I feel and if people would not be so quick to judge people like you just did me then the world would be a better place!PEACE!

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