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Johnny

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kas91 wrote:
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Wow, I actually didn't know about any of this thx. Where can I find out more Johnny?
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The 1960s African American Civil Rights Movement was TOTALLY different. Compared to the Jamaican born Marcus Garvey & Marcus' respective Movement.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. sought out integration WITH Whites. Dr. King Jr. also sought out more job opportunities for African Americans.

Dr. King Jr. also sought out acceptance, tolerance, validation & endearment from Whites.

Dr. King Jr. did succeed with getting African Americans more job opportunities. Primarily job opportunities in the public sector.

But, due to Dr. King Jr. pushing for integration.---- African American banks & businesses which thrived & prospered during segregation succumbed once integration came.

Back then (Probably still today), most White-Americans wanted segregation. But, White politicians in the federal government (Both Democrat & Republican), Whites in the Intelligence Services, Whites in businesses & the Whites in the business lobby had other plans.

White politicians in the federal government (Both Democrat & Republican), Whites in the Intelligence Services, Whites in businesses & the Whites in the business lobby realized that by "integrating" with African Americans.---- This would lead to African Americans totally spending their money in & with White owned & White managed banks & businesses.

This process would TOTALLY destroy the financial strength of the African American community.

In addition, this process would also TOTALLY destroy the unity of the African American community.

This would make the African American community TOTALLY dependent upon the federal government. For aid & for jobs.

Had African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) chosen the path of Malcolm X, which was separatism.---- The wealth of the African American community would have remained within the African American community.

But, clearly, this didn't happen.

It didn't happen because of these 2 reasons.----

1. Once integration came, the MUCH smaller African American owned banks & businesses couldn't compete with the much, much larger White owned banks & businesses.

2. Once integration came, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) prefered shopping at & spending their money at the White owned banks & businesses.
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Hey, Johnny, you're nothing but a pathetic, lonely racist with nothing better to do, huh??

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
Hey, Johnny, you're nothing but a pathetic, lonely racist with nothing better to do, huh??
I don't know whether Johnny is White or not, or a racist but his observations on the negative aspects of integration for AAs and a number of other points do shine on an uncomfortable truth.

Without economic freedom, political freedom is severely limited in its scope and impact. There will always be a time for integration but when this time is so is dependent on the terms of integration along with the standing and relations between those who are being integrated together. It's like a national economy, many economies that have managed to successfully industrialise and prosper throughout Europe, Asia and the Americas (including the USA), along with South Africa for SSA had to initially shun global integration in order to protect and build up their own industries. As time passed by and their economies became more developed and self-sufficient in a number of industries they were then more able to open their borders to receiving goods and services from elsewhere as they were now more able to compete. If they decided to make this move too early then immature industries would have been swallowed up by foreign competitors and growth of local industry would have become significantly restricted.

Integration, without the necessary investments required for ensuring that AAs and White and other Americans are truly living and competing amongst eachother on a level-playing field is frivolous and doesn't do much better in addressing the root issues.

All the points raised in this discussion represent key issues which aren't being looked into whatever reason, unfortunately to the demise of the USA.
Johnny

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
Hey, Johnny, you're nothing but a pathetic, lonely racist with nothing better to do, huh??
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Uh, no, nothing of the sort.

When I was at work with my laptop, when I was ahead with my work load, I was just responding back to the posters kas & dkanelas previous posts which they addressed to me.

When any poster addresses posts to me, when I get some time with my schedule, I'll respond back to them.
Johnny

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
Hey, Johnny, you're nothing but a pathetic, lonely racist??
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I have been blogging with a discussion & debate with kas & dkanela.

With dkanela, primarily about all of the many obstacles which respective African nations would face if Africa would become one nation.

With kas, primarily about why the United States federal government hasn't (Won't) do more for African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Also, with kas, about all of the problems which integration caused for African Americans. Especially long term.

In my blog discussion & debate with kas & dkanela.--- Where did I type up any such points which were "racist"?--- Not once.

Never once did I type up any such racial slurs. Never once did I type up any points which were inflammatory or incendiary.
Johnny

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kas --- You said "I don't know whether Johnny is White or not".--- My mothers family comes from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. My fathers family comes from Rome, Italy.

You said "but his observations on the negative aspects of integration for AAs and a number of other points do shine on an uncomfortable truth".--- Yep.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Likewise. I state "likewise", because in your previous posts on this thread, you also have typed up many points which truly showcased African Americans standing & plight in the United States.
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May 18, 2013
 
Should they leave? Well, only if they fall into that category of people regardless their skin color that hate America, and thinks her someplace else better to live. Then yes, they should go there! One indicator of this for blacks however, this one they call themselves "African-Americans" instead of just Americans. Anyone of any race that treats the word "Americans" as if it were hyphenated, needs to go to wherever they think it's better. Otherwise join the melting pot and forget whatever it is you think should be in front of the word,and become an American!
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kas --- You said "Without economic freedom, political freedom is severely limited in its scope and impact. There will always be a time for integration but when this time is so is dependent on the terms of integration along with the standing and relations between those who are being integrated together".----

Your 2 points above.---- You are 150% correct.

kas, one must also take into account several other very critical variables.

Here they are.---

1. Going back to 1965.---- When the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was crafted & passed. By both Democrats & Republicans in the House & Senate. Our nations president back then, Democrat Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ) signing the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 into law.

That there was also a RACIAL component to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

In my previous post on this thread,#90, I pointed out this dynamic.----

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TFF39M2... .
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kas --- Other examples.----

2. When the 1960s African American "Civil Rights Movement" was in full swing.---- African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) were the United States numerically dominant "minority" group.

Back in early, 1968.--- Dr. King Jr. & other politically left of center African American leaders (They were primarily assistants to Dr. King Jr.) were organizing a "Poor Peoples Campaign" in the United States.

Dr. King Jr. & his assistants were advocating & pushing for an "Economic Bill of Rights".

Dr. King Jr. was neutralized back in early April, 1968. Dr. King Jr.s assistants went forward with the Poor Peoples Campaign, which comprised of protest marches & sit in protests in Washington D.C..

These protest marches & sit ins totally failed in their attempt to force politicians in Washington D.C. to implement the Economic Bill of Rights.

But, even "if" the Economic Bill of Rights had been passed.--- African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) would have only benefited in ONLY the short term. NOT long term.

The main beneficiaries of the Economic Bill of Rights would have been these Americans.----

1. White male union leaders.

2. White male union members.

3. White women.
Johnny

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kas ---- Another factor.---

Back in the late 1960s, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) were the United States numerically dominant "minority" group.

But, NOT anymore.

Back in mid July, 2002, legal Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) ALONE overtook African Americans as being the United States numerically dominant minority group.

This just takes into account JUST the legal Hispanics. This doesn't even take into account all of the illegal Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) in the United States.

Illegal Hispanics have to be included with legal Hispanics.

This is why.--- Because the United States Hispanic lobbying organizations represent the interests of legal Hispanics & illegal Hispanics.

So, in the United States, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) FAR, FAR outnumber African Americans.

African Americans population will be going down more so in years to come due to all of the many, different public initiatives & social engineering policies. Which are being done AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) immigration & birthrates. Especially Hispanic immigration.

It is inevitable.--- In years to come, these will be the dominant groups in the United States.---

1. Non-Hispanic Whites.

2. Hispanics.

Among the Hispanics, the 2 top, major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans.
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kas ---- You said "It's like a national economy, many economies that have managed to successfully industrialise and prosper throughout Europe, Asia and the Americas (including the USA), along with South Africa for SSA had to initially shun global integration in order to protect and build up their own industries. As time passed by and their economies became more developed and self-sufficient in a number of industries they were then more able to open their borders to receiving goods and services from elsewhere as they were now more able to compete".---

Your 4 points above.---- You are 150% correct.

But kas (With all due respect), your premise above is different from African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) situation.

This is the difference.---- Very soon after integration came, African Americans lost almost ALL of their banks & businesses.

In regards to the nations which you listed.--- Despite these respective nations being developing nations.---- These nations still had all of these very critical sectors to work with. Here they are.---

Agriculture, banking, many businesses, heavy industry, light industry, airplanes, shipping, auto industry (Foreign car manufacturers based in these nations), railroads, trucking industry, television media & newspaper print venues.

So, the situation was WAY, WAY worse for African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
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kas ---- You said "If they decided to make this move too early then immature industries would have been swallowed up by foreign competitors and growth of local industry would have become significally restricted".---- True.

But, even before this happened, Western banking & big businesses still had a presence in these respective developing nations.

Even throughout the years of the "Cold War", when the nations of the West were fighting against the nations of the former "Eastern Bloc". Via proxy nations & organizations in the nations of the developing world.---

The Western nations were still dominant.

The Western nations still had way more of their banking & big business interests in the nations of the developing world.
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kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>unfortunately to the demise of the USA.
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Not exactly.

Granted, from September, 2008 till now.--- Many sectors throughout the United States have experienced economic hardships.

But, during this same time period, there have also been many, many Americans who have turned TREMENDOUS financial profits.

In addition, the United States is still the top economic power throughout the world. In my previous posts,#62 & #64, I list examples of this dynamic. A comparison of the United States with China.---

Posts #62 & #64.----

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TFF39M2... .
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kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>All the points raised in this discussion represent key issues which aren't being looked into whatever reason.
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Oh no.

Many, many Americans througout the United States are TOTALLY well aware of what is happening.

Especially White-American politicians, White-Americans in businesses & White-Americans in the business lobby.

kas, one has to be aware of the United States group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics.

This is the deal.---

The White-American masses collectively, White-Americans in businesses, White-Americans in the business lobby & White-American politicians do NOT consider Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) to be a threat.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to the American System.

The White-American masses collectively, White-Americans in businesses, White-Americans in the business lobby & White-American politicians do NOT consider blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations or from Africa to be a threat.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to the American System.

However though, the White-American masses collectively, White-Americans in businesses, White-Americans in the business lobby & White-American politicians DO consider African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) to be a threat.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE viewed as being a threat to the American System.
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kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>All the points raised in this discussion represent key issues which aren't being looked into whatever reason.
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Many, many Americans are totally well aware of what is happening in the United States.

But, the federal government is NOT going to be doing anything more for African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

It is because of these reasons.----

1. African Americans have been sold out. For Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) labor.

2. The United States non-Hispanic White political left wing has abandoned African Americans. For Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included).

From the early 2000s till now.---- Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) have been the darling of the United States non-Hispanic White political left wing.

This will remain the deal into the future.

3. Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to non-Hispanic Whites.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to White America.

4. Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to the American System.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to the American System.

5. Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are the United States PREFERED "minority". Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are WAY PREFERED. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

6. Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Here's a link which shows a very, very small aspect of this dynamic at work.----

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_... .

7. Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are viewed as being a racial buffer class. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

8. Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
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kas ---- I have to step out now. I still have to respond back to 2 of your previous posts. Hopefully, I should have some time by Tuesday. Not to get too far ahead in our blog discussion & debate. I'll just wait till you get back. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.

In the meantime, later.

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May 18, 2013
 
Johnny wrote:
kas ---- I have to step out now. I still have to respond back to 2 of your previous posts. Hopefully, I should have some time by Tuesday. Not to get too far ahead in our blog discussion & debate. I'll just wait till you get back. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.
In the meantime, later.
Thank you for all of your contributions thus far, it's all helped in opening up my eyes to the wider issues at play.

I do wonder though, couldn't there be a way of convincing White America that AAs founding a separate piece of land in the USA, off the back of US government assistance would do well in serving their long-term interests? Also the government assistance would come in the form of say finance at below market interest rates, so it would have to be repaid, White America would not merely just be 'giving' the separate AA nation money.

Under the right leadership, a separate nation for AAs could reach impressive feats in terms of overall economic might, and the living standards and quality of life of its citizens. If it were to ever work out for the better then the USA would have a significantly smaller welfare bill (one would assume so anyway) and a new prosperous trade and investment partner in the separate AA nation.

It's going to have to happen sooner or later, whether AAs like it or not.
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kas ---- You said "Thank you for all of your contributions thus far".---- Oh, you bet.^5. Glad to.

You said "it's all helped in opening up my eyes to the wider issues at play".---- Good to hear.

I'm glad to take the time out & address your previous posts which you have addressed to me.

I have A LOT of respect for the nation of your ancestral roots, Jamaica.

Jamaica.---- The land of Ska, Rocksteady, Mento, Reggae & Dancehall.

Reggae.--- Bob Marley, Peter Tosh & Bunny Wailer.

Toots & the Maytals.

Dancehall.--- Lady Saw (Aka --- Marion Hall), Spice (Aka --- Grace Hamilton), Pamputtae, Tifa, Lisa Hype, Mama Nancy, Lady Ann, Lady Junie & Lady G.

Movada (Aka --- The Gully alliance) & Vybz Kartel (Aka --- The Gaza alliance).

Portmore Empire, The Alliance, Beenie Man, Aidonia, Elephant Man, Ninja Man, Popcaan, Kano, Vanessa Bing, Sizzla, Bounty Killer, Bujun Banton, Super Cat & Spragga Benz.

One of Jamaicas top actors, Louie Rankin (Aka ---- Leonard Ford). Primarily out of the move "Shottas".

Jamaicas former prime ministers.--- Alexander Bustamante, Edward Seaga & Bruce Golding. From the politically Right of center Jamaica Labour Party (JLP).
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kas ---- You said "I do wonder though, could there be a way of convincing White America that AAs founding a separate piece of land in the USA, off the back of US government assistance would do well in serving their long-term interests?".----

Your statement here, has already been brought up by African American (Descendants of black American slaves) reparations advocates. To Democrat & Republican politicians in the United States House of Representatives & the Senate.

But, absolutely NO traction was made.

kas, you have to realize this.----
By the "back of the United States government assistance".---- This would comprise of the American taxpayers collectively.

Especially the White-American taxpayers collectively.

This is yet another reason why the White-American masses are VERY vehemently against African Americans having their own independent nation within the borders of the continental United States.

In addition (Even more so), this is another reason why the American Establishment is VERY vociferously against African Americans having their own independent nation within the borders of the continental United States.
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kas ---- You said "Also the government assistance would come in the form of say finance at below market interest rates, so it would have to be repaid, White America would not merely just be 'giving' the separate AA nation money".---

Your statement above.--- Mind if I ask, did you read this off a reparations advocacy site?

The reason why I pose this question, is because reparations advocates put forward a near identical proposal forward. Such as what you stated above.

Reparations advocates put forward this proposal to Democrat & Republican politicians in the House of Representatives & the Senate back in June, 1999.

The result.--- The reparations advocates got absolutely NO traction.

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