Max

Montréal, Canada

#72 May 13, 2013
kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>
But you don't disagree with the point that it should be done, no?
They got africa already. They can always go back there. If they want a new country on Muslim soil, maybe the US will finance them too!

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#73 May 14, 2013
Max wrote:
<quoted text>
They got africa already. They can always go back there. If they want a new country on Muslim soil, maybe the US will finance them too!
For AAs, going back to Africa wouldn't be feasible. All of the nations that make up Africa have land, governments with national policies, peoples etc. For any country a potential flood of tens of millions of migrants would be a nightmare, that's like if tomorrow all of the White Americans decided to go back to Europe. Regardless of how much they could contribute to Europe it still doesn't get past the fact that various countries would have to allocate significant funds to building the infrastructure, housing, educational and health facilities and job opportunities to soak in such a massive influx of people. It has to be in the USA..

“Leading the Revolution”

Since: Oct 09

Washington, DC

#74 May 14, 2013
@Johnny

Great I'm interested in what you come up with
Latinos

East Brunswick, NJ

#75 May 14, 2013
No the blacks can stay if they are descendants of African Americans and not Haitians or Jamaicans. All Latins need to go back where they are from and the Immigration Act of 1965 be REPEALED. Muslims too.
Max

Montréal, Canada

#76 May 14, 2013
kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>
For AAs, going back to Africa wouldn't be feasible. All of the nations that make up Africa have land, governments with national policies, peoples etc. For any country a potential flood of tens of millions of migrants would be a nightmare, that's like if tomorrow all of the White Americans decided to go back to Europe. Regardless of how much they could contribute to Europe it still doesn't get past the fact that various countries would have to allocate significant funds to building the infrastructure, housing, educational and health facilities and job opportunities to soak in such a massive influx of people. It has to be in the USA..
Well it would be the same sh1t everywhere. Or would you rather have them go to the north or south pole?
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#77 May 14, 2013
kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>
For AAs, going back to Africa wouldn't be feasible. All of the nations that make up Africa have land, governments with national policies, peoples etc. For any country a potential flood of tens of millions of migrants would be a nightmare, that's like if tomorrow all of the White Americans decided to go back to Europe. Regardless of how much they could contribute to Europe it still doesn't get past the fact that various countries would have to allocate significant funds to building the infrastructure, housing, educational and health facilities and job opportunities to soak in such a massive influx of people. It has to be in the USA..
__________

kas, your 6 points above.---- You are 150% right on the mark.

If (A very big "what if" at this), African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) in very large numbers would ever decide to form their own land within the border of the continental United States though.--

African Americans shouldn't expect assistance from the United States federal government.

This is why.--- African Americans are a threat to White America.

African Americans are a threat to the American System.

So, if African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) in very large numbers would ever decide to create their own land within the border of the continental United States.---- White-Americans collectively would view this as a threat.

Way more so, this would also be considered a threat to the American System.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#78 May 14, 2013
dkanela ---- You said "as for a separate nation, why not just blend into one already established".--- In theory this sound good.

You said "We are already recognized as the sixth region of the African Union".--- This is true.

You said "and have the right to petition Africa for the right to come home and acquire land".--- This you do.

But, please just take some time out & evaluate all of the monumental obstacles involved with this dynamic. Here they are.----

1. Would the African American (Descendants of black American slaves) masses be supportive of migrating to Africa?

2. Would the African American masses migrate to Africa?

3. The cost involved.---- The African American masses migrating to Africa would cost a very large sum of money.

4. Relocating African Americans to territory in Sub-Saharan Africa.--- This would cost a very large sum of money.

5. The territory in Sub-Saharan Africa where African Americans are destined to live in.---- Does this territory have any raw materials?

6. The territory in Sub-Saharan Africa where African Americans are destined to live in.---- Prior to African Americans arriving in this land, does this territory have any built up infrastructure?

As in already built roads?

Already built railways?

Already built urban dwellings?

Already built schools?

Already built airports?


Does this land have airplanes?

Does this land have shipping?

Does this land have trucks?

Does this land have cars?

Does this land have any television media venues?

Does this land have any newspaper print venues?
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#79 May 14, 2013
dkanela ---- You said "Just because the information is not getting to all AA slowly but surely there is a huge awakening movement going on now. AA are starting to wake up, and don't be surprised if you start to seeing AA leaving this country in masses".---- Not sure about this.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#80 May 14, 2013
dkanela --- Here's another obstacle which HAS to be taken into account.---

If the African American (Descendants of black American slaves) masses in very large numbers would decide to migrate to territory in Sub-Saharan Africa.---

African Americans would be face to face with many, many different black African ethnic groups. Each & every one of these respective black African ethnic groups comes from a different history & culture. Than what African Americans come from.

Each & every one of these black African ethnic groups has a different culture, customs & norms. Than what African Americans have.

For many hundreds of years in the nations of Sub-Saharan Africa.--- There has been A LOT of rivalry between black African ethnic groups. A lot of rivalry along ideological & class lines.

So, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) migrating to territory in Sub-Saharan Africa.--- This could become a VERY volatile situation for African Americans.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#81 May 14, 2013
dkanela --- You said "That day is coming, probably after 2017, when Africa becomes one country. The United States of Africa or USA!".---

With all due respect, I don't see this.

This is why.--- Because from 1963 till 2009.--- This has been attempted many, many times before. Absolutely nothing has come of it.

These are the reasons as to why Africa becoming one nation hasn't happened.---

1. Each & every respective African nation has a different history & culture.

2. Each & every African nation has a different culture. With different customs & norms.

3. Each & every African nation has a different economy. Different economic growth.

So, each & every African nation joining into a union.--- This would work to the benefit of the poorest African nations.

But, this would work to the detriment of the richest African nations.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#82 May 14, 2013
dkanela ---- Here are many other factors which have to be taken into account. In regards to Africa becoming one nation.---

Throughout the African continent.---- The many, many different ideological rivalries.

Examples of this.----

1. When the Organization African Unity (OAU) was formed back in 1963.--- Very soon after its formation, it was balkanized & fragmented. Along ideological lines.

The politically left of center "Casablanca Bloc" was formed. It was headed by Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana. The nations of Algeria, Guinea, Morocco, Egypt, Mali & Libya were within this alliance.

In response to the formation of the Casablanca Bloc.---- Other African nations formed the politically right of center "Monrovian Bloc". Which was headed by Senghor of Senegal. The nations of Nigeria, Liberia & Ethiopia were within this alliance.

After the formation of these alliances.--- The Ivory Coasts president back then, Felix Houphouet Boigny led an alliance of other African nations.

Then, Boignys alliance joined up in alliance with the Monrovian Bloc. Against the Casablance Bloc.

After this, Morocco became very disillusioned with its role & participation in the Casablanca Bloc. Morocco left.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#83 May 14, 2013
dkanela ---- A few other examples. Of the ideological rivalries on the continent of Africa. Which prevented Africa from becoming one nation.---

When the Organization Africa Unity (OAU) was in full operation.--- Kenyas president back then, Jomo Kenyatta became disillusioned with Kwame Nkrumahs led Casablanca Bloc.

Kenyatta entered into an alliance with the Monrovian Bloc.

Tanzanias president back then, Julius Nyerere became disillusioned with Kwame Nkrumahs led Casablanca Bloc.

Nyerere entered into an alliance with the Monrovian Bloc.

There are also these other African alliances.---

1. The West African OCAM alliance.

2. The West African ECOWAS alliance.

3. The West African ECWA alliance.

The OCAM alliance, ECOWAS alliance & the ECWA alliance are all aligned. Against the Casablanca Bloc.

I list these examples, to show the TREMENDOUS ideological rivalries throughout Africa.

This is why Africa has never become one nation.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#84 May 14, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
kas, your 6 points above.---- You are 150% right on the mark.
If (A very big "what if" at this), African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) in very large numbers would ever decide to form their own land within the border of the continental United States though.--
African Americans shouldn't expect assistance from the United States federal government.
This is why.--- African Americans are a threat to White America.
African Americans are a threat to the American System.
So, if African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) in very large numbers would ever decide to create their own land within the border of the continental United States.---- White-Americans collectively would view this as a threat.
Way more so, this would also be considered a threat to the American System.
Exactly how would would AAs, inhabiting their own separate piece of land as a nation within the US continent constitute as a threat to White Americans?
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#85 May 14, 2013
dkanela ---- Many black African leaders have openly expressed their opposition to African becoming one nation.

What they have expressed, focuses around all of the problems associated with Africa becoming one nation.

The leaders of South Africa, Kenya & Nigeria have expressed the strongest opposition to Africa becoming one nation.

South Africas Jacob Zuma was the most vocal about Libyas former left wing dictator, Muammar al-Gaddafi advocating for Africa to become one nation.

Gaddafi wanted to head this African nation.

Many, many black African leaders were VERY vehemently against this.

Primarily the leaders of South Africa, Kenya & Nigeria.

Especially South Africas Jacob Zuma.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#86 May 14, 2013
dkanela ---- Some last points.--- Regarding the obstacles to Africa becoming one nation.----

Africa becoming one nation would VERY much be a threat to the West.

Africa becoming one nation would VERY much be a threat to Western banking & big business interests.

Example of this.---- Back in early, 2011, when Libyas former left wing dictator, Muammar al-Gaddafi stated this.---

"A single African military force, a single currency & a single passport for Africans to move freely around the continent".

Not so much the passport.

But, Gaddafi stating Africa having a single military force & a single currency.---

This WAS a threat to the West.

This WAS a threat to Western banking & big business interests.

Very soon after Gaddafi stated this.--- Look at what happened to Gaddafi.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#87 May 14, 2013
kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly how would would AAs, inhabiting their own separate piece of land as a nation within the US continent constitute as a threat to White Americans?
__________

Oh, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) having their own independent land within the continental United States would VERY much be a threat to White America.

Especially if this independent African American homeland would have raw materials.

If this independent African American homeland would have their own military.

If this independent African American homeland would have alliances with foreign nations.

So, an independent African American homeland in the continental United States.--- Is VERY much a threat to White America.

Even more so, an even GREATER threat to the American System.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#88 May 14, 2013
kas ---- You said "Not really, the principles are still the same".--- Your analogy regarding the banks & business.---- In relation to African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves), true, the principles are the same.

But, there is another factor & dynamic at work. This factor & dynamic is what White-Americans think & feel about the matter.

You said "If anything it's even worse because the reparations relate to what the USA owes to AAs while in the case of the bank it owes nothing to noone but still relies on borrowers to survive as an entity".---- I do see your premise here.

Your analogy is right on the mark as it pertains to African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) claims for reparations.

But (With all due respect), it doesn't correlate with White-Americans.

This is why.---- The vast, vast majority of White-Americans think & feel that absolutely nothing is owed.

The vast, vast majority of White-Americans think & feel that everything is squared up.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#89 May 14, 2013
Latinos wrote:
No the blacks can stay if they are descendants of African Americans and not Haitians or Jamaicans. All Latins need to go back where they are from and the Immigration Act of 1965 be REPEALED. Muslims too.
__________

Well, Haitians, Jamaicans, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) & Muslims won't be deported.

Haitians, Jamaicans, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) & Muslims are NOT a threat to White America.

Haitians, Jamaicans, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) & Muslims are NOT a threat to the American System.

Radical Islamic fundamentalism is a threat. But, radical Islamic fundamentalism isn't a strong force within the United States.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to White America.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to the American System.

Because of this, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are viewed as being a racial buffer class. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.

To a lesser extent ((Compared to Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included)), blacks in the United States who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are also being elevated & advanced.

AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are also viewed as being a buffer class.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#90 May 14, 2013
Latinos wrote:
and the Immigration Act of 1965 be REPEALED.
__________

Not going to be happening.

One of the main reasons is because foreign born immmigrants of color are NOT a threat to White America.

Foreign born immigrants of color are NOT a threat to the American System.

Regarding the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.---

On the United States political left wing, Democrats were in support of this law. Since most of the newly arrived immigrants of color were of lower economic means, they mainly voted for candidates of the Democratic Party.

On the United States political Right wing, Republicans were in support of this law. Since these immigrants of color provided labor for American businesses.

American businesses & the American business lobby profited off of the labor of these immigrants of color.

But, there was ALSO a racial component involved with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

This is the deal.--- The Immigration and Nationality Act was passed back in 1965.

1965 was a year at the HEIGHT of the 1960s African American Civil Rights Movement.

The Immigration and Nationality Act was passed in 1965, to bring immigrants of color into this nation.

To fill the United States job market with foreign born immigrants of color. IN PLACE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This put strains upon the African American family unit & community.

This also took A LOT of momentum out of the 1960s African American Civil Rights Movement.
Max

Montréal, Canada

#91 May 14, 2013
Blacks got like the whole Africa already. If they don't like it there and would rather live on white land, well, they're just traitors to their own race.

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