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Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#587 Aug 20, 2014
Wanderer2452 wrote:
<quoted text>
Honest Abe wanted to ship freed black slaves to the Caribbean.
__________

True.

Abraham Lincoln, pretty much all of the Republican & Democrat politicians in Washington D.C. back then did not consider the African American slaves to be equal.

Abraham made a comment during his presidency where he stated.------- "That the only way Whites & Negroes would get along is if they would be an ocean apart".

One time, during Lincolns presidency, he was watching some young African American kids doing a theatrical play. Abraham made an outward comment where he said ----- "Ha, are these little monkeys funny".

Lincoln, pretty much all of the Republican & Democrat politicians in Washington D.C. were in favor of rounding up African Americans. Deporting them.

When Abraham was assassinated & due to the high financial costs which would have been involved of rounding up & attempting to deport, the deportation plan was shelved.

So, American banking & business interests & the politicians in Washington D.C..------ Decided to use the newly freed African Americans as a very cheap labor supply in agriculture & in industry.

To maybe use African Americans as a constituency in a voting bloc.

Had the deportation plan gone forward, these areas would have taken in the deported African Americans.-----

The nation of Haiti. Areas in what are now the present day nations of Guyana, Belize & Panama.

The African Americans who were to be deported to Panama were to be put to work on building a canal. This was decades before work ever began on the modern canal in Panama.

But, the main nation which was to take in most of the deported African Americans was the West African nation of Liberia. Liberia was created by the federal government in 1821. Specifically for this purpose.

This was decades even before the Civil War broke out.
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#588 Aug 20, 2014
Wanderer2452 wrote:
<quoted text>You can't stop Mother Nature. In the future, there will be no such thing as race or prejudice.
__________

Sure there will be.

Within the last decade, there has been more mixing between the races. Kids born as a result. Most people stay with their own. This will remain the deal into the future.

Regarding racism.--------

Everyone has prejudices, biases & preferences.

The line between prejudice & racism is a very thin line. In many ways, the line gets crossed.

The line between biases & racism is a very thin line. In many ways, the line gets crossed.

The line between preferences & racism is a very thin line. In many ways, the line gets crossed.
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#589 Aug 20, 2014
yon.--------

You said "Cuba's a lot closer than Africa".-------

Oh yeah.

But, the United States federal government attempting to round up African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) for deportation.------ It isn't realistic due to monetary costs & politics. Political fallout.

You said "Unless we want a permanent caste system".---------

The United States has a caste system

With this nations very vastly growing Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) population, this nation will be getting a caste system similar to what exists in the Spanish speaking nations.

This is how it works.------

Whites are on top. Then, comes the mestizoes (People from a White parent & an Indian parent). Then, comes the Indians. Next, comes the mulattoes (People from a black parent & a White parent). Lastly comes the people who come from a black father & a black mother.

With the United States very vastly growing Hispanic (Afro-Latinos included) population.--------

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) will be at the very bottom.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#590 Aug 20, 2014
Johnny wrote:
yon.--------
You said "Cuba's a lot closer than Africa".-------Oh yeah.
But, the United States federal government attempting to round up African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) for deportation.------ It isn't realistic due to monetary costs & politics. Political fallout.
It's not realistic now, but.....
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#591 Aug 20, 2014
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
True.
Abraham Lincoln, pretty much all of the Republican & Democrat politicians in Washington D.C. back then did not consider the African American slaves to be equal.
Abraham made a comment during his presidency where he stated.------- "That the only way Whites & Negroes would get along is if they would be an ocean apart".
One time, during Lincolns presidency, he was watching some young African American kids doing a theatrical play. Abraham made an outward comment where he said ----- "Ha, are these little monkeys funny".
Lincoln, pretty much all of the Republican & Democrat politicians in Washington D.C. were in favor of rounding up African Americans. Deporting them.
When Abraham was assassinated & due to the high financial costs which would have been involved of rounding up & attempting to deport, the deportation plan was shelved.
So, American banking & business interests & the politicians in Washington D.C..------ Decided to use the newly freed African Americans as a very cheap labor supply in agriculture & in industry.
To maybe use African Americans as a constituency in a voting bloc.
Had the deportation plan gone forward, these areas would have taken in the deported African Americans.-----
The nation of Haiti. Areas in what are now the present day nations of Guyana, Belize & Panama.
The African Americans who were to be deported to Panama were to be put to work on building a canal. This was decades before work ever began on the modern canal in Panama.
But, the main nation which was to take in most of the deported African Americans was the West African nation of Liberia. Liberia was created by the federal government in 1821. Specifically for this purpose.
This was decades even before the Civil War broke out.
This is very much appreciated, Johnny

"2. Lincoln didn’t believe blacks should have the same rights as whites.
Though Lincoln argued that the founding fathers’ phrase “All men are created equal” applied to blacks and whites alike, this did not mean he thought they should have the same social and political rights. His views became clear during an 1858 series of debates with his opponent in the Illinois race for U.S. Senate, Stephen Douglas, who had accused him of supporting “negro equality.” In their fourth debate, at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, Lincoln made his position clear.“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,” he began, going on to say that he opposed blacks having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites. What he did believe was that, like all men, blacks had the right to improve their condition in society and to enjoy the fruits of their labor. In this way they were equal to white men, and for this reason slavery was inherently unjust.

Like his views on emancipation, Lincoln’s position on social and political equality for African-Americans would evolve over the course of his presidency. In the last speech of his life, delivered on April 11, 1865, he argued for limited black suffrage, saying that any black man who had served the Union during the Civil War should have the right to vote........"

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-...

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#592 Aug 20, 2014
Johnny wrote:
parkerlife3.-------
You said "We should leave and build our own nation".-------
African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) should. But, they are not.
You said "But if we leave America will fall apart".-------
Nope.
For quite some time now (It has become very noticeable from early June, 2014 till now), African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) have been sold out. Sold down the river for Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included).
Once Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) get mass numbers throughout the United States, they will then have the "Honorary Minority Status" & the "Preferential Minority Status" with the federal government.
For aid, jobs, government contracts, set asides, housing, health care & education.
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) will be totally usurping, undercutting, phasing out & displacing African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Making most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) a PERMANENT underclass in this nation.
This is just for starts.
In years to come, these will be the dominant groups in the United States.------
1. Non-Hispanic Whites.
2. Hispanics.
Among the Hispanics, the 2 top, major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans.
White Americans (non-Hispanics/Blacks) are expected to become a minority group by 2043.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/13/18...

Arabs are expected to become the majority group in Europe within 20-years.



The reason? Muslims and Catholics have more offspring.

History proves the inevitable: religious war over silly myths.

Africa-Americans will take a side, their culture will change. The only question is -- which side?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#593 Aug 20, 2014
yon wrote:
<quoted text>
This is very much appreciated, Johnny
"2. Lincoln didn’t believe blacks should have the same rights as whites.
Though Lincoln argued that the founding fathers’ phrase “All men are created equal” applied to blacks and whites alike, this did not mean he thought they should have the same social and political rights. His views became clear during an 1858 series of debates with his opponent in the Illinois race for U.S. Senate, Stephen Douglas, who had accused him of supporting “negro equality.” In their fourth debate, at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, Lincoln made his position clear.“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,” he began, going on to say that he opposed blacks having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites. What he did believe was that, like all men, blacks had the right to improve their condition in society and to enjoy the fruits of their labor. In this way they were equal to white men, and for this reason slavery was inherently unjust.
Like his views on emancipation, Lincoln’s position on social and political equality for African-Americans would evolve over the course of his presidency. In the last speech of his life, delivered on April 11, 1865, he argued for limited black suffrage, saying that any black man who had served the Union during the Civil War should have the right to vote........"
http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-...
Lincoln was a compound, complex sentence.

He was probably bipolar and suffered from bouts of extreme mania followed by deep depression extrapolated by his lunatic wife.

When in a melancholy mood, he wanted to free the slaves because he understood their misery. When manic, his creative mind would whirl with solutions.

You will find many diverse opinions regarding Lincoln's position on slavery.

But I do not think you'll find any absolutes without taking his mental illness into consideration.
Guillermo Dread

Vancouver, WA

#594 Aug 20, 2014
Why Dont You Stay wrote:
I am not a White-American. I am an American who was born "white". Why must you be an African-American? Stay and become an American.
Nothing has and will change in his country. I have heard the same script for years. The change needed is for blacks to realize we can not win here period. I have travel to many countries and the reception was welcoming unlike the us. My friend you might mean well but it will never work. The initial plan was for blacks to remain slaves (still are) or vanish.

Since: May 14

Chicago, IL

#595 Aug 22, 2014
Johnny wrote:
parkerlife3.-------
You said "We should leave and build our own nation".-------
African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) should. But, they are not.
You said "But if we leave America will fall apart".-------
Nope.
For quite some time now (It has become very noticeable from early June, 2014 till now), African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) have been sold out. Sold down the river for Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included).
Once Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) get mass numbers throughout the United States, they will then have the "Honorary Minority Status" & the "Preferential Minority Status" with the federal government.
For aid, jobs, government contracts, set asides, housing, health care & education.
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) will be totally usurping, undercutting, phasing out & displacing African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Making most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) a PERMANENT underclass in this nation.
This is just for starts.
In years to come, these will be the dominant groups in the United States.------
1. Non-Hispanic Whites.
2. Hispanics.
Among the Hispanics, the 2 top, major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans.
YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! There already taking over California and the southwest and there making headways through the midwest!!! Blacks have got to start thinking of themselves and build their own nation but this is the problem: African Americans are the only people trying to integrate with other races are blacks!!!! The hispanics, like others that came before them, come to the black community, pushing this "we're in this together" crap, when their back is up against the wall. Soon as their concerns are settled, they'll stab blacks in the back just like everyone else before them!!!! Blacks have been struggling for integration since the this country's earliest origins; and after 375 years it's still not working!!! Blacks need to stop listening to that stupid old white liberal nonsense garbage "we shall overcome" because if it hasn't happened in 300 years, what makes you think it will ever happen? Blacks need to stop working so hard to get affirmation from other races and start thinking about themselves, respecting themselves, and most importantly: LOVING THEMSELVES because NO ONE ELSE WILL!!!! How many more years is the black race going to waste chasing the illusive butterfly? Continuing to go about it this way is insane, and you know what they say about INSANITY: doing the same over and over expecting different results!!!!

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#596 Aug 26, 2014
I think there was a similar thread on Blackplanet. The argument then became: What did the African Americans do with Liberia? My question is, if African Americans appear to struggle to live peacefully with one another in the African American suburbs in US, why would we expect them to do so on their own land no matter where it is? By the way I also ask the same of us Africans :-)
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#597 Aug 26, 2014
suprmon.---------

You said "YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!".---------

Thanks.

You said "There already taking over California and the southwest".---------

Hispanics aren't.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being used as a weapon. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

To a lesser extent.---------

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being elevated & advanced. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being used as a weapon. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#598 Aug 26, 2014
suprmon.---------

You said "and there making headways through the midwest!".---------

Hispanics sure are.

You said "Blacks have got to start thinking of themselves and build their own nation".---------

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) should be doing this.

You said "but this is the problem: African Americans are the only people trying to integrate with other races".---------

You are absolutely correct.

You said "The hispanics, like others that came before them, come to the black community pushing this "we're in this together" crap, when their back is up against the wall. Soon as their concerns are settled, they'll stab blacks in the back just like everyone also before them!!!".---------

Your 2 points here.--------- You are 150% correct.

Left wing Hispanic organizations have alliances with left wing African American organizations. Via these alliances, these are the entities who benefit.---------

1. Non-Hispanic White business owners.

2. Non-Hispanic White Democratic Party politicians.

3. The leaders of the left wing Hispanic & left wing African American organizations.

4. Illegal aliens.

The African American (Descendants of black American slaves) masses collectively don't benefit off of these alliances.
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#599 Aug 26, 2014
suprmon.---------

You said "Blacks have been struggling for integration since this country's earliest origins and after 375 years it's still not working".---------

You are absolutely correct.

You said "Blacks need to stop listening to that stupid old white liberal nonsense garbage "we shall overcome" because it if hasn't happened in 300 years what makes you think it will ever happen".---------

You are 150% correct.

Non-Hispanic White liberals are in leadership positions in social work & in the health care fields. These non-Hispanic White liberals are making money & careers off of African Americans.

Non-Hispanic White left wing anti-racist activists are making money & careers off the backs of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#604 Aug 27, 2014
Wanderer2452.---------

Hispanics are being amalgamated with non-Hispanic Whites.

Another writer, Joshua Holland sums up this dynamic perfectly in his article, "Why Fearmongering About a White Minority in America is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong".

Especially Joshuas points here. He said

"But the truth is that in 2050, "whites," as most people understand the term, will still make up 74 percent of the population (if the projections are right). Only " non-Hispanic whites" are expected to become a minority. But, there's little chance that the designation -- which the Census Bureau only added in 1980 -- will live until that time. History tells us that "white Hispanics" -- light skinned people with an Hispanic heritage -- will soon become, simply, "white people," as part of the American mainstream.".

His points here. He said

"In 2050, white people will not only remain a majority, but they'll also retain their disproportionate cultural, political and economic influence. In other words, people freaking out about the loss of white privilege have no cause for alarm -- it is safe. As Chauncey DeVega put it, "whites are by definition the majority group in the United States," and "while heavily policed," the definition of "whiteness as a racial grouping is ever expanding".

Joshua Hollands article here.---------

http://www.alternet.org/story/147235/why_fear... .
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#606 Aug 27, 2014
Wanderer2452.---------

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa have very much been encouraged to seek separate classification. DIFFERENT from African American.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa haven't received the separate classification yet. But, in due time they will.

Once this happens, this will even FURTHER fracture & fragment the African American "community" even more.
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#607 Aug 27, 2014
Wanderer2452.---------

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves). Which shows this.------

1. Many American businesses are phasing out their African American (Descendants of black American slaves) employees. For laborers who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations or from Africa.

2. Many (If not most) of the United States Universities are accepting blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa. IN PLACE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This is especially happening at the Ivy League Universities.

3. On job applications & school admissions.---------

There are boxes which say Caribbean black or foreign born black.

This is so that the non-Hispanic Whites who are doing the job hiring or school admissions, that they can show favoritism to the foreign born blacks. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Paladin

Sioux City, IA

#608 Aug 27, 2014
lynn wrote:
People are people color has no issue!
We all are from the same race, the human race, and when people of every color starts to realize this we all will be better off. I have friend from every ethenic group and different colors but when I look at them I simply see another human. If you are from america you are an american, not german american, french american, african american, just simply american. Throw the color issue out the window and be who you are, a member of the human race.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#609 Aug 27, 2014
Johnny wrote:
Non-Hispanic White liberals are in leadership positions in social work & in the health care fields. These non-Hispanic White liberals are making money & careers off of African Americans.
Non-Hispanic White left wing anti-racist activists are making money & careers off the backs of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
In 1963, the lily white William Lewis Moore was murdered during his one-man march against segregation in Baltimore. He was a mailman.

You know of the Andrew Goodman and Michael Henry Schwerner murders, yes?

Did these people build careers and accumulate wealth off the backs of Black Americans or did they follow their conscious, perhaps a higher moral law?

What were the motives of my school-teacher parents when they participated in the Selma to Montgomery March?

Much like news reporters, I think you widen the gap between races when you claim all powerful Caucasians have ulterior motives.

Why does MSNBC, Fox, and CNN dedicate a week's coverage to white-on-black violence? Do 'talking heads' like Al Sharpton or Bill O'Reilly spawn racial tension? When was the last time you viewed massive national media coverage of black-on-white crime? Is there a double-standard?

An analogy can be made with straight-on-gay crime -- an individual from the heterosexual majority commits murder against an individual from the homosexual minority and the crime becomes the news event of the month; it's David -vs- Goliath all over again, the weak -vs- the powerful.

To condemn all whites, from abolitionists to KKK Members, is not justified and only creates further tension between the races.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#610 Aug 27, 2014
Johnny wrote:
Wanderer2452.---------
Hispanics are being amalgamated with non-Hispanic Whites.
Another writer, Joshua Holland sums up this dynamic perfectly in his article, "Why Fearmongering About a White Minority in America is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong".
Especially Joshuas points here. He said
"But the truth is that in 2050, "whites," as most people understand the term, will still make up 74 percent of the population (if the projections are right). Only " non-Hispanic whites" are expected to become a minority. But, there's little chance that the designation -- which the Census Bureau only added in 1980 -- will live until that time. History tells us that "white Hispanics" -- light skinned people with an Hispanic heritage -- will soon become, simply, "white people," as part of the American mainstream.".
His points here. He said
"In 2050, white people will not only remain a majority, but they'll also retain their disproportionate cultural, political and economic influence. In other words, people freaking out about the loss of white privilege have no cause for alarm -- it is safe. As Chauncey DeVega put it, "whites are by definition the majority group in the United States," and "while heavily policed," the definition of "whiteness as a racial grouping is ever expanding".
Joshua Hollands article here.---------
http://www.alternet.org/story/147235/why_fear... .
Like Jews, Hispanics are assimilating.

Blacks and Amerindians not so much.

It's a culture deal.

Since: May 14

United States

#612 Sep 6, 2014
Johnny wrote:
Wanderer2452.---------
Hispanics are being amalgamated with non-Hispanic Whites.
Another writer, Joshua Holland sums up this dynamic perfectly in his article, "Why Fearmongering About a White Minority in America is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong".
Especially Joshuas points here. He said
"But the truth is that in 2050, "whites," as most people understand the term, will still make up 74 percent of the population (if the projections are right). Only " non-Hispanic whites" are expected to become a minority. But, there's little chance that the designation -- which the Census Bureau only added in 1980 -- will live until that time. History tells us that "white Hispanics" -- light skinned people with an Hispanic heritage -- will soon become, simply, "white people," as part of the American mainstream.".
His points here. He said
"In 2050, white people will not only remain a majority, but they'll also retain their disproportionate cultural, political and economic influence. In other words, people freaking out about the loss of white privilege have no cause for alarm -- it is safe. As Chauncey DeVega put it, "whites are by definition the majority group in the United States," and "while heavily policed," the definition of "whiteness as a racial grouping is ever expanding".
Joshua Hollands article here.---------
http://www.alternet.org/story/147235/why_fear... .
What I don't get are these projections that by 2050, whites will be the minority population. Maybe that's possible within a few hundred years; but for their population to go from over 70 percent to 45 percent or lower in the time span of 37 years is just not possible! So all these survivalist whites with all their doomsday predictions (barring some secret mass genocide project we don't know about), really have nothing to worry!!

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