Should Black People in the USA Leave ...
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#567 Jul 29, 2014
Johnny wrote:
You said "All the US would have to do is send in the CIA and knock out whatever government there is and hold some new elections and ask if the people wanted US protection and become like Puerto Rico".-------

I don't see the United States federal government doing this.
Also, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) aren't in favor of migrating to Cuba.

You said "The US has a class of belligerent, criminal minded, parasitic, drugged and violent savages".--------
The overwhelming majority of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) sure are this. Tragically so.
Cuba's a lot closer than Africa. Unless we want a permanent caste system
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#568 Jul 29, 2014
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.
However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle. I also believe that many do not want to dig deep into their pockets and pay the Black man the reparations that he deserves for his contributions towards building an industrial empire and the ills suffered by him during this development process.
African Americans have broken their backs, labouring for no working wage as slaves for hundreds of years; they have fought and died in wars to defend the country's freedom, while suffering the institutional and psychological racism waged upon them by the educational system, the judicial system, the housing market and of course, the occurrence and legacy of the Jim Crow laws. Not to mention the disproportionate impact that the national "War on Drugs" policy has had on the Black community. In the process of all of this they have been taken away from their homeland and separated from their religion, language, cultural and ancestral heritage to the point that they have lost their true sense of self. In return for all of this hardship, Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant and share in the "American dream" but find that in a country where Whites dominate in the economic and political spheres of life that the odds are stacked against them. Particularly given that Blacks (clearly) do not start on a level playing field against Whites.
A solution to all of this could involve partitioning a piece of land within the US for Blacks to live and settle in, where they are separate from White Americans and other ethnicities. But, this delegated region would have to be completely autonomous in its own right. It would need its own national borders, Black-run government, courts, foreign policy etc. Essentially, this land must be declared as a self-governing nation-state. At least in this way, African Americans will find themselves much closer to truly being in control of their own destiny. Albeit, some kind of financial backing and general guidance would be needed by the US government, but only in specified areas and only for a set period of time.
To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm just throwing this topic out there to see what kind of response I get. What do you guys make of this? In particular, I would like to get the opinions of African Americans themselves on this topic. Also, examples of countries or regions where something such as this has already happened are welcome. I know that something similar may have happened in India with the autonomous Kashmir state and that this could link into the Jewish community of Europe and the "Road to Zion" that was found in Israel but can you think of any others?
Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.
You're an I D IO T. Everyone who have this post know that you're nothing but a cowardly white punk.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#569 Jul 29, 2014
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.
However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle. I also believe that many do not want to dig deep into their pockets and pay the Black man the reparations that he deserves for his contributions towards building an industrial empire and the ills suffered by him during this development process.
African Americans have broken their backs, labouring for no working wage as slaves for hundreds of years; they have fought and died in wars to defend the country's freedom, while suffering the institutional and psychological racism waged upon them by the educational system, the judicial system, the housing market and of course, the occurrence and legacy of the Jim Crow laws. Not to mention the disproportionate impact that the national "War on Drugs" policy has had on the Black community. In the process of all of this they have been taken away from their homeland and separated from their religion, language, cultural and ancestral heritage to the point that they have lost their true sense of self. In return for all of this hardship, Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant and share in the "American dream" but find that in a country where Whites dominate in the economic and political spheres of life that the odds are stacked against them. Particularly given that Blacks (clearly) do not start on a level playing field against Whites.
A solution to all of this could involve partitioning a piece of land within the US for Blacks to live and settle in, where they are separate from White Americans and other ethnicities. But, this delegated region would have to be completely autonomous in its own right. It would need its own national borders, Black-run government, courts, foreign policy etc. Essentially, this land must be declared as a self-governing nation-state. At least in this way, African Americans will find themselves much closer to truly being in control of their own destiny. Albeit, some kind of financial backing and general guidance would be needed by the US government, but only in specified areas and only for a set period of time.
To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm just throwing this topic out there to see what kind of response I get. What do you guys make of this? In particular, I would like to get the opinions of African Americans themselves on this topic. Also, examples of countries or regions where something such as this has already happened are welcome. I know that something similar may have happened in India with the autonomous Kashmir state and that this could link into the Jewish community of Europe and the "Road to Zion" that was found in Israel but can you think of any others?
Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.
Everyone knows you're nothing but a cowardly white punk pretending to be black.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#570 Jul 29, 2014
You can't stop me...TOPIX.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#571 Jul 29, 2014
Everyone knows that the person who started this thread is nothing but a cowardly white punk pretending to be black.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#572 Jul 29, 2014
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.
However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle. I also believe that many do not want to dig deep into their pockets and pay the Black man the reparations that he deserves for his contributions towards building an industrial empire and the ills suffered by him during this development process.
African Americans have broken their backs, labouring for no working wage as slaves for hundreds of years; they have fought and died in wars to defend the country's freedom, while suffering the institutional and psychological racism waged upon them by the educational system, the judicial system, the housing market and of course, the occurrence and legacy of the Jim Crow laws. Not to mention the disproportionate impact that the national "War on Drugs" policy has had on the Black community. In the process of all of this they have been taken away from their homeland and separated from their religion, language, cultural and ancestral heritage to the point that they have lost their true sense of self. In return for all of this hardship, Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant and share in the "American dream" but find that in a country where Whites dominate in the economic and political spheres of life that the odds are stacked against them. Particularly given that Blacks (clearly) do not start on a level playing field against Whites.
A solution to all of this could involve partitioning a piece of land within the US for Blacks to live and settle in, where they are separate from White Americans and other ethnicities. But, this delegated region would have to be completely autonomous in its own right. It would need its own national borders, Black-run government, courts, foreign policy etc. Essentially, this land must be declared as a self-governing nation-state. At least in this way, African Americans will find themselves much closer to truly being in control of their own destiny. Albeit, some kind of financial backing and general guidance would be needed by the US government, but only in specified areas and only for a set period of time.
To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm just throwing this topic out there to see what kind of response I get. What do you guys make of this? In particular, I would like to get the opinions of African Americans themselves on this topic. Also, examples of countries or regions where something such as this has already happened are welcome. I know that something similar may have happened in India with the autonomous Kashmir state and that this could link into the Jewish community of Europe and the "Road to Zion" that was found in Israel but can you think of any others?
Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.
Great post!
parkerlife3

Wichita, KS

#573 Aug 17, 2014
We should leave and build our own nation. Just think what we could accomplish as a people. The truth is we are not or never have been Americans. Their law's don't protect us and are used against us. But if we leave America will fall apart .
flyguykd

Seattle, WA

#574 Aug 18, 2014
This is a great idea. Yes I am Black. The US could take some of the vastly unpopulated west and build huge walls, think Great Wall, and designate it as "New Africa". This place would be its own Nation State. Completely Souvrgin, Black people would have to self assign themselves as "Black", and go willingly to this place. The US could provide incentives, like $$$, say 200grand each. You give up all rights and privileges of US. It could work, I would be the first to go.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#575 Aug 18, 2014
flyguykd wrote:
This is a great idea. Yes I am Black. The US could take some of the vastly unpopulated west and build huge walls, think Great Wall, and designate it as "New Africa". This place would be its own Nation State. Completely Souvrgin, Black people would have to self assign themselves as "Black", and go willingly to this place. The US could provide incentives, like $$$, say 200grand each. You give up all rights and privileges of US. It could work, I would be the first to go.
Honest Abe wanted to ship freed black slaves to the Caribbean.

That went over like a lead balloon.

What happens to white men/women married to Blacks? Where do they live?

Evolution will resolve the issue. Homosapien (Modern Man) bred with Neanderthal and Caveman went extinct.

Blacks/Hispanics/Caucasians/As ians are now mating, producing beautiful children.

You can't stop Mother Nature. In the future, there will be no such thing as race or prejudice.

I look forward to that day.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#576 Aug 18, 2014
parkerlife3 wrote:
We should leave and build our own nation. Just think what we could accomplish as a people. The truth is we are not or never have been Americans. Their law's don't protect us and are used against us. But if we leave America will fall apart .
WTF?

That's like saying if all Hispanics (17.1% of Population) left, America would fall apart.

That won't happen.

Blacks, Whites, Amerindians, Polynesians, Asians, and emigrants would pick up the slack.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#577 Aug 18, 2014
kas91 wrote:
dkanela,
If certain African states who hold valuable land by the coast or land well endowed with natural resources were to have an open mind to this proposal then yes, Africa it is. However, this land would have to be partitioned for the creation of a new NATION-STATE, in other words, this valuable land would be cut off from their control as it will no longer be within their territorial boundaries. Would be quite difficult to convince any African government to play ball.
I must stress, this all relates to the setting up a nation state from afresh. It won't include integrating African Americans into the population of a particular African country or vice versa.
So, setting up a separate Black nation in Africa will also pose a number of logistical issues. How would one implement and enforce the arrival of everyone to their new country? It's a different continent, so travel would only be administered by sea or plane. When compared to simply travelling on land to the partitioned part of America, the logistics of transporting 30-40 million people to a new continent would be a nightmare.
It may also be alot more difficult to convince African Americans themselves to completely leave the USA, rather than remain right next to their old home.
It is my belief the USA will in the not too distant future (50-100 yrs)become not one but two separate republics. Perhaps by that time the racial issues will work themselves out and people choose where they want to live based on personal ideology instead of race.
Guillermo Dread

Vancouver, WA

#578 Aug 19, 2014
Why Dont You Stay wrote:
I am not a White-American. I am an American who was born "white". Why must you be an African-American? Stay and become an American.
You just do not get I!
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#579 Aug 20, 2014
suprmon.-------

You said "I couldn't have said it any better".-------

Thanks.

You said "Sadly, the so-called AFRICAN AMERICANS don't give a rats-ass about their disposition in America because to do so would be to take their attention away from more important issues like sex, sports, comedy air jordans and above all, lack of self-esteem!".-------

You are 150% correct.
I feee you but

San Francisco, CA

#580 Aug 20, 2014
The United States government will never allow this to occur, they claim that we are free but yet and still they use all of the reasons you listed to enslave us. This whole situation is by design and not having black people in the US would not only damage their pocket books, but would also expose the government as a whole for all he wrong it has done to black people through the ages.
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#581 Aug 20, 2014
suprmon wrote:
<quoted text>To have concerns about racial equality, empowerment and working toward the simple goal getting treated with respect as a human, most blacks (particularly the stereotypical ones) will respond to this by saying "you need to 'lighten up', stop being so serious all the time!"
__________

Correct.

Specifically African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Foreign born blacks ((Afro-Latinos (Afro-Dominicans, Afro-Boricuas, Afro-Cubanos, Afro-Panamanians, Afro-Colombians, Afro-Ecuadorians, Afro-Peruvians), blacks from the Anglophone (Jamaicans, Afro-Trinidadians, Afro-Belizeans, Afro-Guyanese, Grenadians, Virgin Islanders, Bahamians, Bermudians, Bajans), blacks from the French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations (Haitians, Martiniqueans, St. Lucians, St. Barthans) & Africans (Nigerians, Ghanaians, Senegalese, Eritreans, Ethiopians & Somalis))

are a lot different than African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves). Primarily in regards to culture.

Foreign born blacks (All of the groups which I listed in my paragraph above) have honor, pride, respect, integrity, humility & gratitude.

Foreign born blacks have goals, drive, desire, ambition, motivation, commitment & dedication.

Foreign born blacks value & cherish work ethic, family values, morals, decency, education, law & order.

Foreign born blacks are a lot different than African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#582 Aug 20, 2014
suprmon.--------

You said "That's what's the friggin problem as to why African Americans can't get anywhere or don't get any respect in this country because they're so busy soaking the issues in the community into trivial BS!!".-----

You are 150% correct.

You said "PLAY TIME IS OVER! YOU NEED TO BRING YOUR BUTT IN THE HOUSE AND GET YOUR CHORES AND HOMEWORK DONE!!!".------

I totally see your premise here.

But, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) are preoccupied with what Nicki Minaj & Lil Wayne are wearing.
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#583 Aug 20, 2014
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Everyone knows that the person who started this thread is nothing but a cowardly white punk pretending to be black.
__________

The poster who started this thread, kas91 is not White. He is Jamaican.
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#584 Aug 20, 2014
yon wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post!
__________

The poster kas91, the plan which he typed up for African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) to pursue in seeking an independent nation in the United States was logical. But, African Americans aren't going to do anything.
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#585 Aug 20, 2014
parkerlife3.-------

You said "We should leave and build our own nation".-------

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) should. But, they are not.

You said "But if we leave America will fall apart".-------

Nope.

For quite some time now (It has become very noticeable from early June, 2014 till now), African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) have been sold out. Sold down the river for Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included).

Once Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) get mass numbers throughout the United States, they will then have the "Honorary Minority Status" & the "Preferential Minority Status" with the federal government.

For aid, jobs, government contracts, set asides, housing, health care & education.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) will be totally usurping, undercutting, phasing out & displacing African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Making most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) a PERMANENT underclass in this nation.

This is just for starts.

In years to come, these will be the dominant groups in the United States.------

1. Non-Hispanic Whites.

2. Hispanics.

Among the Hispanics, the 2 top, major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans.
Johnny

Oak Creek, WI

#586 Aug 20, 2014
flyguykd wrote:
The US could take some of the vastly unpopulated west and build huge walls, think Great Wall, and designate it as "New Africa". This place would be its own Nation State. Completely Souvrgin, Black people would have to self assign themselves as "Black", and go willingly to this place. The US could provide incentives, like $$$, say 200grand each. You give up all rights and privileges of US.
__________

Your proposal would never be accepted. Because of these factors.-------

If there would be an independent African American nation in the United States. If this independent African American nation would have its own army, airforce & navy. Foreign relations & alliances with foreign nations, it would be a serious threat to White America & to the federal government.

This is why an independent African American nation in the United States would never be tolerated.

Regardless, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) aren't in support of an independent African American nation in the United States.

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