Should Black People in the USA Leave America and Establish Their Own Country?

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kas91.---- Other forms of social engineering which are being undertaken. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are WAY PREFERED. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to White America.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to the American System.

In the United States, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Here's a link which shows a very, very small aspect of this dynamic at work.----

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_... .

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are viewed as being a racial buffer class. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
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kas91 ---- A few other examples of social engineering policies which are being undertaken. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Blacks in the United States who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.---- Are being elevated & advanced. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Examples of this.----

1. Many American businesses are phasing out their African American (Descendants of black American slaves) employees.

For laborers who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone & the French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations.

2. Many (If not most) of the United States Institutions of higher learning.---- Are accepting & admitting blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, Frech / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

IN PLACE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This is especially happening at Americas Ivy League Universities.

This dynamic has been written about very extensively by African American lawyer, scholar & civil rights activist, Lani Guinier.

This dynamic has also been written about very extensively by African American literary critic, educator, scholar, writer & editor, Henry Louis Gates, Jr..

To a lesser extent ((Compared to Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included)), blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.---- Are also viewed as being a buffer class.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
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Captain O wrote:
or like the ZioNazis are doing with the Palestinians.
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Israel is NO such "ZioNazi" nation.

This is why.--- The Palestinians & the other respective Arab groups who live in Israel have WAY more freedom. Compared to the "freedom" which the Arabs have who live within Arab ruled nations throughout the Middle East.

There are Arabs in Israels Knesset.

In addition, for many decades, Israels many, different governments have been very magnanimous in the extreme towards accomodating the Palestinians & other Arab groups.

For many decades, Israels governments have allowed the Palestinians & other Arab groups full rights & welcoming their participation.

Many of the students at Haifa University are Arabs.

But, the Jews have been greeted with genocidal terrorism which continues today.

The Jews are NOT in huge crowds in the street chanting for genocide & to the end of democracy.

The Jews are NOT in dozens of nations creating jihad.

But, Arabs who have radical Islamic fundamentalist beliefs are though.

The world is NOT being threatened by Jews.

The world IS being threatened by radical Islamic fundamentalist Muslims.
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Captain O wrote:
like the ZioNazis are doing with the Palestinians.
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Israel is NO "ZioNazi" nation.

From 1948 till now.---- It HASN'T been the Jews.

It has been the Arabs which have been the aggressors.

Here are many examples which show this.----

1. When Israel first became a nation back in 1948.--- Israels Arab neighbors.---- Syria, Egypt, Transjordan, Lebanon & Iraq.--

Did NOT recognize Israels right to exist.

These Arab nations all attacked Israel.

In addition, Arab guerrilla / terrorist organizations.---- Holy War Army, Arab Liberation Army & the Muslim Brotherhood also attacked Israel.

2. Back in 1956.---- Syria & Egypt carried out attacks against Israel. This led to war.

3. Back in 1967.---- Syria & Egypt carried out attacks against Israel. This led to the 6 day war.

4. Back in 1973.--- Syria & Egypt carried out attacks against Israel. This led to the October, 1973 Yom Kippur War.

5. For many decades.--- Syria, Egypt (Egypt used to, up until the 1978 Camp David Peace Accord), Libya, Southern Yemen (Southern Yemen used to up until 1990) & Iraq (Iraq used to up until March, 2003).--- Have bankrolled Arab terrorist organizations.

These Arab terrorist organizations have carried out terrorist attacks. Upon Israeli men, women & children.

These are the Arab left wing terrorist organizations.--- PLO factions.--- Al Fatah, As Saiqa, PFLP, DFLP, PPP, PLF, ALF, Fida, PPSF, PAF & the PFLP-GC.

These are the Arab Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations.--- Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood & the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

For many decades, Israel, under its many, different Prime Ministers which it has had from the Israeli Labor Party & even from the Likud Party.---- Have ALWAYS negotiated & bargained in good faith with the Arab nations.

For many decades, Israel, under its many, different Prime Ministers which it has had from the Israeli Labor Party & even from the Likud Party.--- Has also negotiated & bargained in good faith with the Arab terrorist organizations.

It has been the Arab nations & the Arab terrorist organizations which have NEVER negotiated or bargained in good faith with Israel.

So, Israel is NOT to blame.

Israel & Israelis have every right to defend & protect themselves. By whatever means necessary.
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Captain O wrote:
are doing with the Palestinians.
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Not at all. FAR from it.

A few more examples. Which shows how the nation of Israel has used EXTREME caution.---

In every military operation which Israel has conducted.---- The Israeli military ((Especially in regards to the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF)) have always used EXTREME caution & restraint.

The Israeli military has TRIED to avoid civilian casaulties at every opportunity. Even to the extent of putting Israeli soldiers lives in jeopardy.

Even to the extent of putting Israeli civilian lives in jeopardy.

Whenever Arab civilian casualties have taken place, it has been & is currently largely due to the Arab terrorist organizations.---- The left wing Arab terrorist organizations.--- PLO factions.--- Al Fatah, As Saiqa, PFLP, DFLP, PPP, PLF, ALF, Fida, PPSF, PAF, PFLP-GC. The Arab Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations.--- Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood & the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

It is because these Arab terrorist organizations use Arab civilians as shields.

Israel has always used EXTREME caution & restraint in all of their military operations. Israel has always done this to avoid Arab civilian casualties.

Even to the extent of putting Israeli soldiers & even Israeli civilian lives in jeopardy.

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Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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Examples of aid which the United States federal government has given to African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).----
From the 1960s till now, African Americans have received trillions & trillions of dollars worth of aid. In these respective forms.----
Welfare, housing aid, rent assistance, heat assistance, health care aid, educational aid, free school lunches, food stamps, TANF, Section 8, AFDC, WIC, phone bill aid, transportation aid, legal aid, child care, day care, foster care, affirmative action/quotas, set asides & federal jobs.
White-Americans at the grassroots level have done MORE than their fair share to help & empower African Americans.
The United States governmental entities at the federal, state & local levels have done MORE than their fair share to help & empower African Americans.
So, Reparations have been paid.
African Americans are on their own in this nation.
African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) only have themselves for their survival in this nation.
Hmmm, in regards to your point about how reparations have essentially been paid in the form of welfare transfer payments, affirmative action etc, while I can see what you're trying to get at I think that it is still kind of invalid. White Americans aren't the only people who pay tax in the USA. According to figures from the US govt ( http://www.usfederalbudget.us/federal_budget ) around $400 billion is spent annually on welfare. Off of the top of my head, let's say that AAs account for about 40% of this $400 billion then $160 billion of this goes to them. But it still doesn't ignore the fact that AAs constitute for 13.6% of all taxes paid in the US annually ( http://taxfoundation.org/article/number-ameri... ) and the USA raises over $3 trillion in terms of income and payroll tax ALONE( http://taxfoundation.org/article/number-ameri... ). If you do the math you'll begin to see that AAs probably pay enough in taxes to cover all of those things that you mentioned in relation to AAs.

Long story short, whites ain't paid their reparations yet! lol

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Hey,kas91,you're not Black,are you?? What race are you??
Yes Doctor, yes I am lol. Try and look past your stereotypes
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kas91 wrote:
<quoted text>If you do the math you'll begin to see that AAs probably pay enough in taxes to cover all of those things that you mentioned in relation to AAs.
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I do see your premise here.

But, these other respective areas here.----

These venues were specially earmarked for African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

So, this too is a form of reparations.----

1. Affirmative Action/Quotas.

2. Set asides.

3. Certain venues of educational grants.

4. Certain venues of legal aid.

Other examples. From the 1960s till early 2000s, African Americans have been given preferential treatment in these areas.---

5. Aid.

6. Job hiring.

7. Set asides.

8. College & university admissions.

These areas too are also a form of reparations.

One last example.--- From the mid 1960s till early 2000s.--- African Americans have been given preferential treatment in the hiring for federal jobs.

This also is a form of reparations.

So, reparations have been paid.

Then some.
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Doctor REALITY wrote:
No,I believe you're not black and you're just using the internet to PRETEND you're black.
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Actually, I can vouch for kas' identity. Yes, he is African American.

dkanela is also African American.

I can vouch for their identity.
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LawandOrder_ wrote:
<quoted text>white folks, the minority race.
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True.

Whites have been a numerical minority in the world for thousands of years.

But, for many, many hundreds of years.--- Whites have maintained "control" throughout the world.

Via many, many alliances. With many foreign governments.

Also, via many, many alliances with many foreign organizations.

In my next posts, I'll list Israels, the United States & the United Kingdoms main black African Allies.
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LawandOrder_ wrote:
<quoted text>white folks, the minority race.
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True. But, Whites maintain "control" throughout the world via many, many alliances. With many foreign governments. With many foreign organizations.

Here's a list of Israels, the United States & the United Kingdoms main black African Allies.----

1. UNITA & FNLA organizations of Angola. As well as their supporters.

2. Renamo organization of Mozambique. As well as their supporters.

3. West African OCAM alliance. As well as their supporters.

4. West African ECOWAS alliance. As well as their supporters.

5. West African ECWA alliance. As well as their supporters.

6. In Nigeria.---- The Nigerian government. As well as their supporters.

7. In Nigeria.---- The supporters of Sani Abacha.

8. In Liberia.---- After Charles Taylor & his NPFL organization were forced out back in 2003.---

Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom picked up an ally with the new Liberian government. Which was headed by Ellen Johnson Sirleaf.

As well as their supporters.

9. In Liberia.---- The supporters of Samuel Doe.

10. In Liberia.---- After Charles Taylor was forced out.---

Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom forced Taylors NPFL organization to moderate their views.

11. In the Democratic Republic of the Congo.--- The supporters of Joseph Mobutu.

12. In Eritrea.---- The Eritrean government. As well as their supporters.
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LawandOrder ---- Israels, the United States & the United Kingdoms other main black African Allies.----

13. In Eritrea.--- Many Paramilitary organizations within Eritrea.

As well as their supporters.

14. In Kenya.---- The Kenyan government. As well as their supporters.

15. In Somalia.---- Somalis new Transitional Federal Government (TFG). As well as their supporters.

16. In Ethiopia.---- After the Derg regime was overthrown back in early 1991.---

Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom picked up Ethiopia as an ally.

With Ethiopias EPRDF Party. Its leaders.

As well as their supporters.

17. In Zambia.---- The Zambian government. As well as their supporters.

18. In Cameroon.--- The Cameroonian government. As well as their supporters.

19. In Senegal.---- The Senegalese government. As well as their supporters.

20. In Chad.---- The FANT & FAP organizations. As well as their supporters.

21. In Chad.--- The supporters of Hissene Habre.

22. In Tanzania.---- The Tanzanian government. Prior to Julius Nyereres death, Julius brought the Tanzanian government increasingly close to Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.

23. In Equatorial Guniea (EG).---- After Macias Nguemas regime was overthrown.---

Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom picked up Equatorial Guinea as an ally.

24. In Guinea-Bissau.---- After Amil Cabral was murdered.---- Amils PAIGC Party moderated their views.

The PAIGC Party moved increasingly towards Israel, the United States & the United Kingdom.

There are many, many more black African Allies.

The examples which I listed would be Israels, the United States & the United Kingdoms main black African Allies.

There is also the AFRICOM.

This is why the United States federal government HAS to take an active role in Africas affairs.

The United States federal government HAS to have a hands on approach.

Israel & the United Kingdom also have to have a hands on approach.

So, despite Whites being a numerical minority throughout the world.---- Whites maintain "control".

Via many, many alliances. Alliances with many foreign governments.

Also, via alliances with many foreign organizations.

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
No,I believe you're not black and you're just using the internet to PRETEND you're black.
What more can I say my man lol, if you're not convinced then you are not convinced. Btw Johnny I'm not actually African American, I'm Black British but as you can see, I pay special attention to some of the issues affecting AAs.
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kas91 wrote:
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What more can I say my man lol, if you're not convinced then you are not convinced. Btw Johnny I'm not actually African American, I'm Black British but as you can see, I pay special attention to some of the issues affecting AAs.
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Oh, excuse me. I got you mixed up with some other poster who was posting on the African American forum. With a similar name.

Mind if I ask, are your ancestral roots from Nigeria?

Or, from Jamaica?

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Johnny wrote:
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These venues were specially earmarked for African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
So, this too is a form of reparations.----
1. Affirmative Action/Quotas.
2. Set asides.
3. Certain venues of educational grants.
4. Certain venues of legal aid.
Other examples. From the 1960s till early 2000s, African Americans have been given preferential treatment in these areas.---
5. Aid.
6. Job hiring.
7. Set asides.
8. College & university admissions.
These areas too are also a form of reparations.
One last example.--- From the mid 1960s till early 2000s.--- African Americans have been given preferential treatment in the hiring for federal jobs.
This also is a form of reparations.
So, reparations have been paid.
Then some.
But really, how does one actually pinpoint how and when reparations have been fully paid?

AAs worked as essentially free labour for centuries, slave labour was so valuable that the Confederate States were willing to go to war with their fellow Americans and even considered seceding from the USA for the sake of maintaining this status quo. Indeed, many of the former Confederate States are still yet to truly recover from the massive hole that the abolition of slavery left on the economy and all of the industries that were reliant on it at the time.

Then AAs who migrated from the Southern to the Northern states during the early 20th century helped in maintaining the steady flow of cheap labour going into burgeoning cities such as New York, Chicago and Detroit. Not to mention how Southern Whites received the benefit of having propped of living standards by segregating and barring AAs from many economic opportunities up until the late 1960s, early 1970s. It was this period where, for a few decades affirmative action came in place in some states, colleges etc in an attempt to try and reverse the 100 or more so years of essentially positive discrimination for Whites.

Even when you mention these programs and the special earmarks made for AAs in them you seem to conveniently forget the trillions and trillions (as I illustrated to you in my previous comment) of dollars that AAs have contributed in taxes to the USA over the last few decades. Even if White taxpayers do seem to be footing an uneven amount and are to some degree subsidising AAs that doesn't let you off the hook. Indeed, this kind of logic is something that looks good on paper but once applied in real life, the flaws are soon exposed.

Going by your logic is to say that if a bank lent millions of dollars to a business over a certain period of time, and that business repaid the bulk of it, say, 60-80% then that bank should be given a pat on the back for writing off or suspending repayment of the deficit. The bank is clearly still winning in all of this, would the bank be happy if that business decided to go and move on to another bank tomorrow? No, because despite their credit history not being perfect if that business goes they still lose millions in custom.

A better example which may hit closer to home for you could be the current trade relationship between US and China. Every year China is financing the US's trade deficit to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars (please do correct me if this figure is exaggerated), clearly one country is paying more into this relationship than the other. Nevertheless do we follow the logic suggested by you and say that China is "helping" the US by doing, they "paid their reparations"? No, we're not silly enough to fall for that, it's clearly in China's interest to ensure that the USA as the world's largest economy is in the best shape that it can possibly be in to help foster global economic stability, is this beginning to make any sense?

So yh, don't wanna come across as patronizing but you haven't paid all of your reparations yet..

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
Personally,kas91,I think you're member of the KKK or the Aryan nation.
Huh, why? Because they're also proponents for separatism in the USA? Wasn't Garvey a separatist, didn't the NOI support the ideas of Black separatism during the 1960s (remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch... ).

I don't see Black people as inferior, if I did then I wouldn't think that they would have the capabilities to separate from the US and run a nation of their own..

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Oh, excuse me. I got you mixed up with some other poster who was posting on the African American forum. With a similar name.
Mind if I ask, are your ancestral roots from Nigeria?
Or, from Jamaica?
Jamaica

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The only ones that should leave America are the Muslims who wants to come over here with their jihad crap.
If they want jihad and Sharia Law then they should go back to the Middle East to wherever they came from and do all of their jihad and Sharia Law over there and not here.
You don't like America then leave and by all means let the door hit you where Allah split you on your way out and don't ever come back over here again.
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Black people creating their own country. Hahaha. When did they take up arms and fight? Only for their republican white landlords, back in the 19 th century up to today in the US military.

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
Earlier,he said he was part African part British. Liar.
I said that I was Black British, it's my ancestral roots that lie in Jamaica..

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