Should Black People in the USA Leave ...
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#365 Dec 29, 2013
tony rock -------

You said "If it wasnt for blacks america wouldnt be shit but water and trees".--------

Not at all. Far from it.

This is why.------- The African American slaves picking cotton didn't build anything. Whatever profits which the White southern slave owning families made, these profits were wiped out by 1865. When the American Civil War ended.

You said "and I strongly say white ppls will never respect and honor black ppls".------

Somewhat true. Primarily incorrect.

In regards to "somewhat true".------- Non-Hispanic Whites will never respect nor honor African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

But, non-Hispanic Whites like foreign born blacks (Afro-Latinos, blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa).

Foreign born blacks (Afro-Latinos, blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa) are WAY prefered. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics are being given "Honorary White Status" in this nation.

Since Afro-Latinos classify as Hispanic, Afro-Latinos are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced in this nation. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in this nation.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#366 Dec 29, 2013
tony rock wrote:
and half of white ppl today,was in deed raised by a black woman by forced.
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Nope.

Most non-Hispanic Whites who currently live in the United States (US) today.------- Their ancestors came to this nation way, way after 1865.

Subsequently, most non-Hispanic Whites who live in the US today.------- Their ancestors were never raised by any African American woman.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#370 Dec 29, 2013
tony rock wrote:
if it had not have been for whites hell world wa r2 wouldnt have nevered started in the first place.
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Excuse me, hey African American (Descendant of a black American slave) boy.-------

You should be VERY grateful that the Allies ((United States (US), United Kingdom (UK), former Soviet Union (USSR), Canada, Australia, New Zealand & China)) fought against the Axis Power Bloc.

That the Allies defeated the Axis.

Back in World War 2, Japan had a far Right wing Fascist dictatorship. Japans government was Asias equivalent of Europes Nazi Germany. This is why that Japans government was aligned with Nazi Germany.

Had the Axis Power Bloc ((Nazi Germany, Fascist Japan, Fascist Italy, Fascist Romania (Iron Guard Party), Fascist Hungary (Arrow Cross Party), Fascist Slovakia (Slovak Peoples Party (SPP), Fascist Lithuania (Iron Wolf Party), Fascist Latvia (Perkonkrust Party), Fascist Estonia (EVL Party), French Fascists (Croix de Feu & Camelots du Roi Parties), Belgian Fascists (Rexists & Flemish Vlaansch National Verbond Parties), Ukrainian Fascists (OUN-UPA Party) & Russian Fascists won World War 2.

Taken over Europe & the United States.

Do you know what the Axis Powers would have done with "your people" (African Americans ----- Descendants of black American slaves)?

So, you should be VERY grateful that the Allies won World War 2.
REASON

Howell, MI

#373 Feb 20, 2014
reason that blacks decided to stay ANYway was because whites were really cristian like and friendly over time..
Joe

Cleveland, OH

#375 Feb 25, 2014
Just give each black 100k to leave America and renounce citizenship.
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.
However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle. I also believe that many do not want to dig deep into their pockets and pay the Black man the reparations that he deserves for his contributions towards building an industrial empire and the ills suffered by him during this development process.
African Americans have broken their backs, labouring for no working wage as slaves for hundreds of years; they have fought and died in wars to defend the country's freedom, while suffering the institutional and psychological racism waged upon them by the educational system, the judicial system, the housing market and of course, the occurrence and legacy of the Jim Crow laws. Not to mention the disproportionate impact that the national "War on Drugs" policy has had on the Black community. In the process of all of this they have been taken away from their homeland and separated from their religion, language, cultural and ancestral heritage to the point that they have lost their true sense of self. In return for all of this hardship, Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant and share in the "American dream" but find that in a country where Whites dominate in the economic and political spheres of life that the odds are stacked against them. Particularly given that Blacks (clearly) do not start on a level playing field against Whites.
A solution to all of this could involve partitioning a piece of land within the US for Blacks to live and settle in, where they are separate from White Americans and other ethnicities. But, this delegated region would have to be completely autonomous in its own right. It would need its own national borders, Black-run government, courts, foreign policy etc. Essentially, this land must be declared as a self-governing nation-state. At least in this way, African Americans will find themselves much closer to truly being in control of their own destiny. Albeit, some kind of financial backing and general guidance would be needed by the US government, but only in specified areas and only for a set period of time.
To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm just throwing this topic out there to see what kind of response I get. What do you guys make of this? In particular, I would like to get the opinions of African Americans themselves on this topic. Also, examples of countries or regions where something such as this has already happened are welcome. I know that something similar may have happened in India with the autonomous Kashmir state and that this could link into the Jewish community of Europe and the "Road to Zion" that was found in Israel but can you think of any others?
Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.
Til

Marietta, GA

#376 Mar 5, 2014
Not a chance. No more of a chance then Texas had of succeeding from the Union. However, your post is quite interesting.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#377 Mar 6, 2014
Joe wrote:
Just give each black 100k to leave America and renounce citizenship.
<quoted text>
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Not going to be happening.

African American (Descendants of black American slaves) & White-American relations are a facet of a Catch-22. Because African Americans are a threat to White America.

African Americans are a threat to the American System.

But, at the same time, many, many White-Americans are making a lot of profits off of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#378 Mar 6, 2014
Joe.------

"Your people" (African Americans ----- Descendants of black American slaves) are not needed in the United States anymore.

Because Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are here. Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are WAY prefered. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Even non Hispanic Whites on the political left wing are seeking out Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) as a support base.

1933 till 2000 (Primarily from 1968 to 2000), non Hispanic White Democratic Party leaders & non Hispanic White union leaders primarily reached out to African Americans as a support base.

But, not anymore.

Mid July, 2002, legal Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) alone overtook African Americans as being the United States numerically dominant "minority". This just takes into account just the legal Hispanics. This doesn't even take into account the undocumented Hispanics.

2000 till now.------

Even non Hispanic White Democratic Party leaders & non Hispanic White union leaders are primarily seeking out Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) as a support base.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) are the United States past & a dying people.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are this nations PREFERED "minority".

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are the United States future.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#379 Mar 7, 2014
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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The institution of legal American slavery was NOT at the forefront.
Another example.--- What the United States president back then, Abraham Lincoln stated about the African American slaves.
Abraham issued these statements at the exact, same time that he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. To show that Lincoln was NO "friend" to the African American slaves.
This is what Abraham stated.----

"I have urged the colonization of the Negroes back to Africa, and I shall continue. My Emancipation Proclamation was linked with this plan of colonization. There is no room for two distinct races of Whites and Blacks...I can think of no greater calamity than the assimilation of the negro into our social and political life as our equal...Within twenty years we can peacefully colonize the Negro...under conditions in which he can rise to the full measure of manhood. This he can never do here. We can never attain the ideal union our fathers dreamed, with millions of an alien, inferior race among us, whose assimilation is neither possible nor desireable".

The United States mainstream media, when reporting on Abraham Lincoln.---- They make Abraham to be a really liberal, open minded, tolerant & enlightened dude.
But, in reality, Lincoln was absolutely nothing of the sort.
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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Last points. Which show that American slavery was not at the forefront of the United States Civil War being fought.-----
Abraham Lincoln, & pretty much all of the Republican & Democrat politicians in Washington D.C. back then did not consider the African American slaves to be "equal".
Abraham even made a comment during his presidency, where he stated.---

"That the only way that Whites & Negroes could get along would be if they'd be an ocean apart".

There was an incident during Lincolns presidency, where he was watching some young African American kids doing a theatrical play. Abraham made an outward comment where he said ---- "Ha, are these little monkeys funny".

Lincoln, & pretty much all of the Republican & Democrat politicians in Washington D.C. back then were in favor of rounding up & deporting African Americans.
But, when the Civil War ended.--- Due to Abrahams assassination & due to the high financial costs which would have been involved of rounding up & deporting, the deportation plan was then shelved. So, American banking & business interests & also the politicians in Washington D.C. back then.--- Decided to use the newly freed African Americans as a cheap labor supply in agriculture & in industry. Maybe, as a voting bloc.
Had the deportation plan went forward, these areas would have taken in the deported African Americans.---The nation of Haiti. Also, areas in what are now the present day nations of Guyana, Belize & Panama.

The African Americans who were destined to be deported to Panama, were to be utilized to contruct a canal. This was decades before work ever began on the modern canal in Panama.
But, the main nation which was to take in most of the African American slaves was the black West African nation of Liberia. Liberia was actually created by the United States federal government back in 1821. Specifically for this purpose.
This was decades even before the United States Civil War happened.
This is the first I've seen of this thread Johnny. Your knowledge of history is quite impressive. I was taken aback when you indicated your age. Mind telling me your line of work?
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#380 Mar 8, 2014
Johnny wrote:
kas91 -----
You said "Furthermore, who's to say that the USA wouldn't do it?".-----
Uh, the federal government sure WOULDN'T assist African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) attempting to set up an independent African American nation in the continental United States.
I wonder what would happen if say you gave them say Oregon.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#381 Mar 8, 2014
Maestro wrote:
why not just have African American reservations just like we have Native American reservations. I wouldn't advocate it but it might be an option on the table. Personally I wouldn't want to pay for it though just like I don't like American tax dollars funding Native American reservations while they build multimillion dollar casinos on their own lands.
And homosexual reservations too. FEMA Camps.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#382 Mar 8, 2014
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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Americans who classify as "African American" are around 40 million.
But, this will be going way down in years to come. Because of this.-------
Blacks in the United States (US) who have ancestral roots from the Angolphone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa have very much been encouraged to seek SEPARATE classification. DIFFERENT from African American.
I have a neighbor who classifies himself as "Other".
Doctor REALITY

Mabelvale, AR

#383 Mar 8, 2014
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.
However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle. I also believe that many do not want to dig deep into their pockets and pay the Black man the reparations that he deserves for his contributions towards building an industrial empire and the ills suffered by him during this development process.
African Americans have broken their backs, labouring for no working wage as slaves for hundreds of years; they have fought and died in wars to defend the country's freedom, while suffering the institutional and psychological racism waged upon them by the educational system, the judicial system, the housing market and of course, the occurrence and legacy of the Jim Crow laws. Not to mention the disproportionate impact that the national "War on Drugs" policy has had on the Black community. In the process of all of this they have been taken away from their homeland and separated from their religion, language, cultural and ancestral heritage to the point that they have lost their true sense of self. In return for all of this hardship, Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant and share in the "American dream" but find that in a country where Whites dominate in the economic and political spheres of life that the odds are stacked against them. Particularly given that Blacks (clearly) do not start on a level playing field against Whites.
A solution to all of this could involve partitioning a piece of land within the US for Blacks to live and settle in, where they are separate from White Americans and other ethnicities. But, this delegated region would have to be completely autonomous in its own right. It would need its own national borders, Black-run government, courts, foreign policy etc. Essentially, this land must be declared as a self-governing nation-state. At least in this way, African Americans will find themselves much closer to truly being in control of their own destiny. Albeit, some kind of financial backing and general guidance would be needed by the US government, but only in specified areas and only for a set period of time.
To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm just throwing this topic out there to see what kind of response I get. What do you guys make of this? In particular, I would like to get the opinions of African Americans themselves on this topic. Also, examples of countries or regions where something such as this has already happened are welcome. I know that something similar may have happened in India with the autonomous Kashmir state and that this could link into the Jewish community of Europe and the "Road to Zion" that was found in Israel but can you think of any others?
Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.
This is a white person pretending to be black, hiding their location. You think those black folks don't REALIZE that??
Doctor REALITY

Mabelvale, AR

#384 Mar 8, 2014
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.
However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle. I also believe that many do not want to dig deep into their pockets and pay the Black man the reparations that he deserves for his contributions towards building an industrial empire and the ills suffered by him during this development process.
African Americans have broken their backs, labouring for no working wage as slaves for hundreds of years; they have fought and died in wars to defend the country's freedom, while suffering the institutional and psychological racism waged upon them by the educational system, the judicial system, the housing market and of course, the occurrence and legacy of the Jim Crow laws. Not to mention the disproportionate impact that the national "War on Drugs" policy has had on the Black community. In the process of all of this they have been taken away from their homeland and separated from their religion, language, cultural and ancestral heritage to the point that they have lost their true sense of self. In return for all of this hardship, Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant and share in the "American dream" but find that in a country where Whites dominate in the economic and political spheres of life that the odds are stacked against them. Particularly given that Blacks (clearly) do not start on a level playing field against Whites.
A solution to all of this could involve partitioning a piece of land within the US for Blacks to live and settle in, where they are separate from White Americans and other ethnicities. But, this delegated region would have to be completely autonomous in its own right. It would need its own national borders, Black-run government, courts, foreign policy etc. Essentially, this land must be declared as a self-governing nation-state. At least in this way, African Americans will find themselves much closer to truly being in control of their own destiny. Albeit, some kind of financial backing and general guidance would be needed by the US government, but only in specified areas and only for a set period of time.
To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm just throwing this topic out there to see what kind of response I get. What do you guys make of this? In particular, I would like to get the opinions of African Americans themselves on this topic. Also, examples of countries or regions where something such as this has already happened are welcome. I know that something similar may have happened in India with the autonomous Kashmir state and that this could link into the Jewish community of Europe and the "Road to Zion" that was found in Israel but can you think of any others?
Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.
This is a white person pretending to be black. You think those black folks don't REALIZE that??
Doctor REALITY

Mabelvale, AR

#385 Mar 8, 2014
A white person pretending to be black started this thread.
Doctor REALITY

Mabelvale, AR

#386 Mar 8, 2014
You think those black folks don't REALIZE that??
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#387 Mar 8, 2014
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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This is why Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
They are Catholic which binds them with Irish, Italians, etc. Blacks are on their own.

http://www.vaticandesignexposed.com/
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#388 Mar 8, 2014
https://www.facebook.com/InfowarSocialNetwork...

ftp://www.overcomerministry.or g/Printed%20Library/Project%20 Vatican%20booklet.pdf
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#389 Mar 8, 2014
Napoleon ended Vatican civil power - but it just didn't go away.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#391 Mar 11, 2014
Johnny wrote:
The African American slaves picking cotton didn't build anything. Whatever profits which the White southern slave owning families made, these profits were wiped out by 1865. When the American Civil War ended.
Foreign born blacks (Afro-Latinos, blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa) are WAY prefered. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Hispanics are being given "Honorary White Status" in this nation.
Since Afro-Latinos classify as Hispanic, Afro-Latinos are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced in this nation. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Shalom Johnny,

You have repeatedly noted the difference between foreign-born and American descendents, but I don't recall a discussion of the reason, except maybe here in that American descendents never built anything. I recall the argument about there having been no restitution(land) following the Emancipation - so that there was nothing to do but continuing their status quo on the plantation but then/now as free men in name only with no opportunity for the next 100 years as illiterate 3/5 humans.

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