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#318
Sep 27, 2013
 
yes, black people of african descent should leave USA, all of them, and USA should, no - needs to dedicate as much resources as humanly possible, and then some more, to this cause. I will personally contribute as much as I can.
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#320
Sep 27, 2013
 
Teknaleji wrote:
<quoted text>. Good stuff!!!
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Thanks.

Oh yes, from October, 1964 till early April, 1968, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.s writings & public speeches.---- Very much made Dr. King Jr. a threat to White America.

Very much made Dr. King Jr. a threat to the American System.

In 1982.---- When Republican & Democrat politicians met in Washington D.C. for a federal holiday which gave respect to a top African American (Descendant of a black American slave) leader.

Out of the left wing African American leaders.---- W.E.B. DuBois, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Jesse Jackson Sr., Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Charles Barron, Randall Robinson, Quannel X & Malik Shabazz.----

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was the least threatening to White America.

Dr. King Jr. was the least threatening to the American System.

But, a compromise was made.----

On the federal holiday, only one version of Dr. King Jr. would be presented. The Dr. King Jr. who gave his "I Have a Dream" speech in Washington D.C. back in late August, 1963.

Dr. King Jr.s writings & public speeches from October, 1964 till early April, 1968 would be totally omitted.
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#321
Sep 27, 2013
 
Teknaleji wrote:
A basic foundation to express economic unity would have to be established and centered at a primary location center. Regional business owners may have to move to a specific area to maintain that unity. The black community would have to be made aware of this union in order to support it and even be offered attractive incentives (in addition to ethnic pride) to shop there, such as a universal discount card for the businesses within that union. That union would create jobs as well not only through hiring (and apprenticeship programs) but also through business loans to those who can qualify to start a new business within the union. All businesses contribute to the public service funds to be part of the union which will benefit the community (another incentive). An "extra" education program can also be implemented consisting of an army of tutors of all grades up to college. There would also have to be "self defense clubs" to help maintain what disorder that may occur. Depending on how fast this model could be achieved, one could have a prosperous nation developed in no time if it's done town by town in a specific area.
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Your 10 points above.----- Each & every one of your points would be totally logical for an independent African American homeland in the continental United States.

But, most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) haven't expressed sympathy for an independent African American homeland in the continental United States.

Even the African Americans who do support African Americans having an independent homeland in the continental United States.---- They still don't think that African Americans can make it succeed. They still feel that this independent African American nation would fail.

African Americans cannot expect any aid from the United States federal government for creating or building an independent African American nation in the continental United States.
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#322
Sep 27, 2013
 
Teknaleji wrote:
this a lazy combination of Garvey/Washington/Dubois.
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Your proposal (As well as the other proposals for an independent African American nation in the continental United States) is representative of what the politically left of center leaders, the Jamaican born Marcus Garvey & W.E.B. Dubois proposed.

Not what the politically right of center Booker T. Washington proposed.

Booker was not for an "independent" African American homeland in the continental United States.

He wanted African Americans to have assimilation & amalgamation with White-Americans.

Booker wanted African Americans to have upward mobility & empowerment in the United States.

But, he also stressed that African Americans cannot be threatening to White-Americans.

Booker also stressed that African Americans cannot be threatening to the American Establishment.

Booker stated if African Americans are threatening to White America. If African Americans are threatening to the American Establishment.---- African American leaders & their movement will be shut down.

The African American masses will be countered, contained & rolled back.
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#323
Sep 27, 2013
 
Teknaleji wrote:
I would also like to add that Florida has been a runaway slave colony where blacks lived free, raising crops and livestock well into the 19th century and before it was america. America never even cared about florida but andrew jackson came here specifically for all the slaves as they fought side by side with the seminoles who were also runaways from southern georgia and alabama.
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Your first point above.---- You are absolutely correct.

Yes, Andrew Jackson did go to Florida for the slaves.

Some of the slaves who went to Florida did fight side by side with the Seminoles. Most of the slaves who went to Florida did not fight with the Seminoles. Most took a neutral, non-aligned, non-active position.

Some of the slaves joined Andrew Jacksons forces.

Your statement that "America never even cared".---- Not true.

Clearly, the United States federal government did care about the slaves who were in Florida. The federal government also cared about other sectors in Florida. The federal government cared about other areas of Floridian land. Which didn't have ties or connections to slavery.
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#324
Sep 27, 2013
 
Teknaleji wrote:
Most of the original inhabitants of florida (misossuki) where pretty much wiped out.
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I think you mean the "Miccosukee Indians".

Regarding the Miccosukee Indians, no, not "most" were wiped out.
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#325
Sep 27, 2013
 
Teknaleji wrote:
a nation lol not a state but there's often little difference these days since even a country at times have to answer to another country.
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You are absolutely correct.

This is why, an independent African American (Descendants of black American slaves) nation in the continental United States having ties to foreign governments & foreign organizations.----

Would be a threat to White America.

Would be a threat to the United States federal government.

An independent African American nation in the continental United States having raw materials, an army & an airforce. Having ties to foreign governments & foreign organizations.----

Is a threat to White America.

Is a threat to the American System.
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#326
Sep 27, 2013
 
Teknaleji wrote:
The biggest invest I think should go into a research and development innovation programs. Creating technologies to make life and business more efficient.
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For African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) who want to create & build an independent African American homeland.----

Your 2 points above.----- Are logical.

But, African Americans cannot expect to get assistance from the United States federal government for creating or building an independent African American homeland.

This is why.----

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively are a threat to White America.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively are a threat to the American System.

This is why Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Here is a link which shows a very small aspect of this dynamic at work.----

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_... .

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are viewed as being a racial buffer class. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.

Blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being elevated & advanced. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are also viewed as being a buffer class. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States.
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Sep 27, 2013
 
LEAVE wrote:
yes, black people of african descent should leave USA, all of them, and USA should, no - needs to dedicate as much resources as humanly possible, and then some more, to this cause. I will personally contribute as much as I can.
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Well, there won't be forced deportations. It isn't realistic politically or economically.

But, in the United States, some "minority" groups are PREFERED. Over another "minority" group.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to White America.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to the American System.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to White America.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to the American System.

But, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to White America.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to the American System.

What is happening is many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies. Which are being undertaken AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

In my next post, I'll list many examples of this.
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#328
Sep 27, 2013
 
LEAVE wrote:
yes, black people of african descent should leave USA, all of them, and USA should, no - needs to dedicate as much resources as humanly possible, and then some more, to this cause. I will personally contribute as much as I can.
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"Forced" deportations won't be happening.

But, many different public policy initiatives & social engineering policies have been implemented. To fracture & fragment the African American "community".

Here is a list of them.----

1. 1990.---- This was the first year that the United States federal government had on "open box" on the census. Specifically for Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent.

Also, for black Americans who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

For them to write in a classification. DIFFERENT from African Americans.

2. 1990 till now.---- Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent were very much encouraged to form organizations. Which represent multiracial / mixed people.

So that they won't have to identify as African American.

3. 1990 till now.---- Many Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent have formed organizations. For multiracial / mixed people.

Here are 3 links. Which shows many, many of these respective organizations.-----

http://www.mixedfolks.com/links.htm .

http://mixedheritagecenter.org/index.php... .

http://www.mavinfoundation.org/new/ .

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Sep 27, 2013
 
LEAVE ----

Other examples of public policy initiatives & social engineering policies. Which have been put in place.----

4. 2000.----- This was the year that the federal government officially got rid of the "one drop rule" in regards to "race". Put on the census the "multiracial / mixed" category. Specifically for Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent.

5. 2000 till now.---- Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent have very much been encouraged to classify as multiracial / mixed.

6. 2000 till now.---- Many Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent have been classifying as multiracial / mixed.

This is fracturing & fragmenting the African American "community".

7. 2000 till now.---- Blacks in the United States who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa have very much been encouraged to seek SEPARATE classification. DIFFERENT from African Americans.

Blacks in the United States who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa haven't received the separate classification yet. But, in due time, they will.

Once this happens, this will even FURTHER fracture & fragment the African American "community" even more.
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Sep 27, 2013
 
LEAVE ---- Other forms of social engineering.----

In the United States, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Here is a link which shows a very small aspect of this dynamic at work.----

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_... .

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are viewed as being a racial buffer class. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
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Sep 27, 2013
 
LEAVE ----

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being elevated & advanced. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Examples of this.----

1. Many of the United States businesses are phasing out their African American (Descendants of black American slaves) employees. For laborers who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone & French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations.

2. Many (If not most) of the United States Universities are accepting & admitting blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

IN PLACE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This is especially happening at the United States Ivy League Universities.

This has been written about very extensively by African American lawyer, scholar & civil rights activist, Lani Guinier.

This has also been written about very extensively by African American writer, educator, scholar & editor, Henry Louis Gates, Jr..

Blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are also viewed as being a buffer class.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

“Black is beautiful”

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#332
Sep 28, 2013
 
We can establish in America and Africa. We can do both. Since, I am born in America, but have African blood. I would say both are my homes.
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Nov 14, 2013
 
Let me begin by saying JESUS CHRIST LORD YESHUA IS KING AND JAH IS MASTER! Amen.
I have read a few of your comments. I am a poor black American male. I see many things in our American society that are truly detrimental and devastating to the black male, female, and child
.the black family has been torn asunder. Black man distrusts his helpmate and she distrusts him. The black child is lost within itself and this. We are set( blacks) against eachother. Trust my.words? Look at your own situations? See what i see. To thine own self be true. As long as we live we will never be equals because if the white man knows he has set up a collusive system? Because we are never totally inclusive in all aspects of America and because martin Luther kings Dream of equality has failed miserably not because blacks don't want it, since the writing of the constitution and black exclusion.and non-recognition by your so-called forefathers to you! The American system and the white man in power and control.is afraid of us to the point of systematically and secretively destroying the black American male female adult adult and child. We cannot win even if we have our own country. See how the white power in this country causes even Obama to be their flunky! Assassin and policeman for the world? Though he thinks he is in charge? Foolish thoughts. A puppet as Oprah... never equal. Think.of it..the only reason Obama is allowed to go into other countries is because after bush jr.? They had to find an intelligent diplomatic man who could push their agenda of not world domination!(to overt!) Control is all they want. As long as this system of things continues to operate as it has. And the truth? If my people only knew. I am the prince and Christ is my King Yeshua! I have learned much and I am wise. I could easily lead my people. But because of the system of things , fools rule over the wise. Yes we NEED OUR OWN! Have it? Never. We will continue until we no longer exist. Heaven is our only home of true love and peace..yes we are Gods children but our brother refuses to allow us our right
.but a day will come.... The King will return to his land to find the one in charge has mistreated his servants
. What will the King do?
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#336
Nov 21, 2013
 
This isn't really feasible. From a practical standpoint, if you're talking about forming a completely independent country, they're GDP starting out will effectively be 0. At best it will be many years before they have corporations developing products that other countries would want to buy. In the mean time you'd be looking at extreme 3rd world poverty unless the US was subsidizing this country with up to 30% of their tax revenues(something they wouldn't do). Ultimately you'd see widespread illegal immigration back into the US and this new country would crumble.

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Dec 1, 2013
 
John wrote:
This isn't really feasible. From a practical standpoint, if you're talking about forming a completely independent country, they're GDP starting out will effectively be 0. At best it will be many years before they have corporations developing products that other countries would want to buy. In the mean time you'd be looking at extreme 3rd world poverty unless the US was subsidizing this country with up to 30% of their tax revenues(something they wouldn't do). Ultimately you'd see widespread illegal immigration back into the US and this new country would crumble.
Well, the first step is always the hardest. I can see where you're coming from on the point of GDP, but the capital and wealth vested in employed African Americans and Black-owned businesses within the States and abroad could do well in funding the nation-building process. Also, in a case where the US refused to subsidise the nation's tax revenues, while the country would take a hit, this hit would be a far-cry from "extreme 3rd world poverty". Currently speaking, when taking African Americans as a separate group, their annual GDP amounts to around $1.1 trillion/$31,000 per capita (Google it if you don't believe me). To say that a nation of AAs would fall into an economic state which could be likened to that of poor developing countries across the world where the average person is living on less than 1-3 dollars a day is a vast exaggeration to say the least, and suggests that you are grossly uninformed of the basics concerning this discussion.

Furthermore, who's to say that the USA wouldn't do it? Subsidies on behalf of US government have the possibility of only ringing to the tone of a couple hundred billion dollars. It can't be denied that this is still alot of money, but in light of how much the US government spends on funding wars and aid projects around the world, it is safe to say that US subsidies to this new found nation is within the government's grasp.

I could go on, but I hope that by now you get the general idea. So the whole assertion as to why this new nation would crumble is, in my view not very solid.

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#339
Dec 1, 2013
 
I think any race that isn't hostile should live a happy life in America.
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Dec 3, 2013
 
tim bowie wrote:
I see many things in our American society that are truly detrimental and devastating to the black male, female, and child. the black family has been torn asunder. Black man distrusts his helpmate and she distrusts him. The black child is lost within itself and this. We are set( blacks) against eachother. Trust my.words? Look at your own situations? See what i see. To thine own self be true. As long as we live we will never be equals because if the white man knows he has set up a collusive system? Because we are never totally inclusive in all aspects of America and because martin Luther kings Dream of equality has failed miserably not because blacks don't want it, since the writing of the constitution and black exclusion.and non-recognition by your so-called forefathers to you! The American system and the white man in power and control.is afraid of us to the point of systematically and secretively destroying the black American male female adult adult and child. We cannot win even if we have our own country. See how the white power in this country causes even Obama to be their flunky! Assassin and policeman for the world? Though he thinks he is in charge? Foolish thoughts. A puppet as Oprah... never equal. Think.of it..the only reason Obama is allowed to go into other countries is because after bush jr.? They had to find an intelligent diplomatic man who could push their agenda of not world domination!(to overt!) Control is all they want. As long as this system of things continues to operate as it has. And the truth? If my people only knew. Yes we NEED OUR OWN! Have it? Never. We will continue until we no longer exist.
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tim, your 32 points above.----- I totally see each & every one of them.

I am in agreement.

Every one of your points above.---- You truly hit the nail right on the head.

Good post.

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