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My ancestors on the Northern Plains of the Dakotas were basically told the same thing. How do you think this "separate nation" has worked out for the only true Native Americans? Respectfully, a separate nation does not solve the problem, it runs away from it. We all must learn that the wind blows from many different directions, and one direction is no better and no worse than another.
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Comparing Native Americans "American experience" with African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) "American experience" is off the mark.

Native Americans are NOT a threat to White America.

Native Americans are NOT a threat to the American System.

But, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively ARE a threat to White America.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively ARE a threat to the American System.

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#295
Aug 27, 2013
 
Johnny wrote:
Tony17 ---- Examples.----
1. After the United States Civil War ended.----
A few thousand African Americans were deported to these nations.---- Haiti, Guyana, Belize & Panama.
The Haitians, Afro-Guyanese, Afro-Belizeans & Afro-Panamanians were NOT at all receptive to the African Americans.
2. Back in World War 2.---- When many African American (Descendants of black American slaves) army & navy personnel were sent to Sierra Leone & Liberia.
To help with protecting Sierra Leonean & Liberian territorial waters. From the German u-boats which were operating off the coasts of several West African nations.
The native Sierra Leoneans & Liberians were NOT at all welcoming to the African American servicemen.
What happened, is that many, many fights broke out.
Also, many murders even occurred.
3. April, 1980.---- Samuel Doe, a Liberian who was from the ethnic & indigenous Krahn group.
Forces under Samuel Does command executed an overthrow of Liberias Americo-Liberian (Descendants of free born & formerly enslaved blacks from America who founded Liberia in 1847) run government.
In the immediate aftermath of this, there was VERY terrible fighting & mass killings. With the indigenous black African ethnic groups on the one side.
Against the descendants of black American slaves.
I once got cursed out good for a statement I once made about Blacks here in America and their plight. I stated that if all whites were to leave this country and turn everything over to the black race,within about three years America would be nothing but a third world country in the hands of blacks. AND Y'ALL KNOW THAT'S THE TRUTH. So if you whites try to leave America I'm coming with you,LOL,lol,lol.

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Aug 28, 2013
 
Johnny wrote:
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Hi kas. How's it going? It has been awhile since we blogged on this thread.
I'm not this poster who is coming from Arkansas. Who is going by the name of "Doctor REALITY".
That is not me.
Which shows that this poster who is coming from Arkansas is not me.----
1. Doctor REALITY's writing style is very much different. Compared to my writing style.
2. The subject matter which Doctor REALITY blogs about is very much different. Compared to the subject matter which I blog about.
3. Doctor REALITY's IP number is totally different. Compared to my IP number.
Doctor REALITY is not me.
Doctor REALITY is a totally different poster.
Sorry Johnny, just made a simple mistake with the names that's all. Yep I'm good.

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Aug 28, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Something along these lines has been tried before. It's a country called LIBERIA that was started by freed American slaves I believe in Africa. It ended up being nothing but a third world country.
Valid point, and people raise this one all of the time. Nevertheless, a number of nuances can still be found between the Liberia case and my proposal for Black separatism in the USA:

1. the separate state will be founded in America, NOT Africa. AAs will be able to start afresh rather than relocate to another country amongst people with a significantly different culture ad history to their own. It becomes simpler.

2. the separate state will in part be funded (probably through credit lines) by the US government

3. The group of AAs founding the states would be more than just simply "Black slaves". Alot has changed since the old Liberia days, there is a sizeable Black middle class and elite who, because of their education, wealth and shared struggle are more able to manage and run an advanced nation-state compared to those who founded Liberia.

Hope that makes things a lil clearer.
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<quoted text>2. the separate state will in part be funded (probably through credit lines) by the US government.
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Your point above, this would be the logical course of action for African Americans who want an independent nation.

But (With all due respect), there are many obstacles & roadblocks with your proposal above. Here they are.----

African Americans cannot expect any help from the United States federal government.

Back in June, 1999, several African American (Descendants of black American slaves) proponents of an independent African American homeland within the continental United States approached many Democrat & Republican politicians in Washington D.C.. In an attempt to obtain financial assistance for starting up an independent African American homeland within the continental United States.

These several African American proponents for an independent African American homeland within the continental United States got absolutely NO traction.

You have to be aware of this. Realize this.----

White America will grant only certain concessions to African Americans.

The United States federal government will grant only certain concessions to African Americans.

Even with the 1960s African Americans "Civil Rights Movement".----When Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated back in early April, 1968.---- The African American Civil Rights Movement very much totally died out.

But, even by late March, 1968, Dr. King Jr. wasn't getting any more traction.

This is why.---- White America will grant only certain concessions to African Americans.

The United States federal government will grant only certain concessions to African Americans.

That's it.
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Sorry Johnny, just made a simple mistake with the names that's all. Yep I'm good.
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No problem at all.

I just wanted to clarify that I'm not that poster who is going by the name of "Doctor REALITY".
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<quoted text>3. The group of AAs founding the states would be more than just simply "Black slaves".
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I see your goal & objective here.

But, would most blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa go along with an independent African American homeland within the continental United States?

I pose this question, because blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are being given a form of "Pseudo Honorary White Status" in the United States.

Examples which show this.----

1. From 2000 till now.---- Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa have been encouraged to seek SEPARATE classification. DIFFERENT from African Americans.

2. Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa haven't received the separate classification yet. But, in due time, they will.

Once this happens, this will even further fracture & fragment the African American "community" even more.

3. Many of the United States businesses are phasing out their African American (Descendants of black American slaves) employees.

For laborers who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone & the French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations.

4. Many (If not most) of the United States universities are accepting & admitting blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.

IN PLACE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This is especially happening at the United States Ivy League Universities.

This has been written about very extensively by African American lawyer, scholar & civil rights activist, Lani Guinier.

This has also been written about very extensively by African American literary critic, educator, scholar, writer & editor, Henry Louis Gates, Jr..
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<quoted text>I'm already aware of how they were received. In my on opinion I think it may have been a bit of jealousy of the freed Blacks. Even today migrants coming here from Africa have displayed a certain amount of jealousy hense ""hostility" " towards the descendants of the slaves. Blacks have risen from the position of being descended from slaves, even with all the problems that blacks endure within its own race to become the most well to do and powerful black group
in the history of the black race.
Of course Blacks did not accomplish this without the help of our former taskmasters. But one must give credit where credit is due.
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I see your 6 points above. I'm in agreement.

Your point here.---- You said "even with all the problems that blacks endure within its own race to become the most well to do and powerful black group in the history of the black race".---

True.

But, there is much, much more involved with this dynamic.

The reason why African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) have this title as being the "most affluent blacks in the world" is because of this factor.---- African Americans collective earning & spending power.

But, out of this earning & spending power.----- African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) do NOT spend their money with African American managed or owned businesses.

African Americans spend their money at White managed & White owned businesses.

African Americans do not keep their money in their "communities". African Americans money goes OUTSIDE of their "communities".

African Americans money goes into White communities.
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<quoted text>But one must give credit where credit is due.
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True.

But, at the same time, most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) in the United States are undergoing WAY more self destructive behaviors from within.

Compared to what people who have some African ancestry who have ancestral roots from the Spanish speaking nations, black Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations &/or from Africa are undergoing.

African Americans school dropout rates are ASTRONOMICAL.

The African Americans who do graduate from college.---- They major in a field which is in the lowest tier of the Liberal Arts.

A major which is NOT in demand. A major which will not garner much money. Not much benefits. Not much job security.
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<quoted text>I once got cursed out good for a statement I once made about Blacks here in America and their plight. I stated that if all whites were to leave this country and turn everything over to the black race,within about three years America would be nothing but a third world country in the hands of blacks. AND Y'ALL KNOW THAT'S THE TRUTH. So if you whites try to leave America I'm coming with you,LOL,lol,lol.
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I see your 4 points above.----- I'm in agreement.

Tony, actually, White-Americans view of & relationships with African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) is a form of a "Catch 22" facet.

White-Americans like certain African American athletes, actors, actresses & comedians.

White-Americans have several African American acquaintances. White-Americans have some African Americans who are considered as "friends".

But, at the same time, White-Americans still distance themselves from the African American "community".

White America still considers African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively as a threat.

The Establishment considers African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) to be a threat.

But, at the same time, many, many White-Americans are financially profiting. OFF of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

White-American Democrats are also uncomfortable around the African American "community".

But, White-American Democrats are benefiting. OFF of the African American vote.

White-American Democrat politicians are especially benefiting. OFF of the African American vote.

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Aug 28, 2013
 
Johnny, please elaborate on your statement below. Generalizing it seems.

"White America still considers African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively as a threat."
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Johnny, please elaborate on your statement below. Generalizing it seems.
"White America still considers African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively as a threat."
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Darlene, I sure will elaborate on my previous statement. As to why White America still considers African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively as a threat.

It is because of these factors.----

1. The history between African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) & White-Americans in the United States.

Very bad history at this.

2. The very bad blood between African Americans & White-Americans in the United States.

3. All of the overhead which is associated with this bad history & bad blood.

4. African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) numbers throughout the United States.

There are tens of millions of African Americans throughout the United States.

This makes the African American "community" collectively to be a threat to White America.

This makes the African American "community" collectively to be a threat to the American System.

5. Left wing African American (Descendants of black American slaves) "leaders" in the United States.

What left wing African American "leaders" have stated & the demands which they have made.----

This makes the African American "community" collectively a threat to White America.

This makes the African American "community" collectively to be a threat to the American System.

It is especially points #4 & #5.---- Which makes African Americans collectively a threat to White America.

Which makes African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively to be a threat to the American System.

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Aug 28, 2013
 
Still dont see how this is threatening.
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Still dont see how this is threatening.
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My previous response back to you, post #305, I listed the reasons why African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) collectively are a threat to White America.

Why African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) are a threat to the American Sytem.

The reality is that race matters in the United States.

Some groups in the United States are PREFERED. OVER another group.

Race very much factors in with the United States federal governments immigration policy. In regards to which foreign group(s) get allowed in. Who are allowed to stay.

But, all foreign born groups of color are PREFERED. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
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Darlene ---- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.s writings from October, 1964 till early April, 1968.

Dr. King Jr.s speeches in public from October, 1964 till early April, 1968.---- Made Dr. King Jr. a threat to White America.

Made Dr. King Jr. a threat to the American System.

These are many of the reasons why Dr. King Jr. was a threat.----

1. Dr. King Jr. calling for proportional representation in the United States.

2. Dr. King Jr. being very critical of the United States federal government.

Dr. King Jr. stated that the United States government was the greatest purveyor of violence.

3. Dr. King Jr. being very critical of the United States foreign policy.

4. Dr. King Jr. being very critical of the United States military involvement in the civil wars in South Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos.

5. Dr. King Jr. being very critical of the United States federal government giving military & economic aid to the Right wing (Former Right wing at this) governments of South Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos.

6. Dr. King Jr. callling for slavery reparations.

7. Dr. King Jr. calling for a Marshal Plan for African Americans.

8. Dr. King Jr. calling for an "Economic Bill of Rights".

9. Dr. King Jr. calling for very widespread wealth redistribution in the United States.

It was primarily Dr. King Jr. calling for slavery reparations, a Marshal Plan for African Americans, an Economic Bill of Rights & very widespread wealth redistribution which made him a threat.

Especially Dr. King Jr. calling for a Marshal Plan for African Americans & for very widespread wealth redistribution in the United States.

Which made him a threat to White America.

Which made him a threat to the American System.
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Sep 14, 2013
 
I think it is possible. A basic foundation to express economic unity would have to be established and centered at a primary location center. Regional business owners may have to move to a specific area to maintain that unity. The black community would have to be made aware of this union in order to support it and even be offered attractive incentives (in addition to ethnic pride) to shop there, such as a universal discount card for the businesses within that union. That union would create jobs as well not only through hiring (and apprenticeship programs) but also through business loans to those who can qualify to start a new business within the union. All businesses contribute to the public service funds to be part of the union which will benefit the community (another incentive). An "extra" education program can also be implemented consisting of an army of tutors of all grades up to college. There would also have to be "self defense clubs" to help maintain what disorder that may occur. Depending on how fast this model could be achieved, one could have a prosperous nation developed in no time if it's done town by town in a specific area. Of course there would be more things to work out but this a lazy combination of Garvey/Washington/Dubois which was OBVIOUSLY the solution. And this is for a nation lol not a state but there's often little difference these days since even a country at times have to answer to another country.
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I would also like to add that Florida has been a runaway slave colony where blacks lived free, raising crops and livestock well into the 19th century and before it was america. America never even cared about florida but andrew jackson came here specifically for all the slaves as they fought side by side with the seminoles who were also runaways from southern georgia and alabama. Most of the original inhabitants of florida (misossuki) where pretty much wiped out.
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Johnny wrote:
Darlene ---- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.s writings from October, 1964 till early April, 1968.
Dr. King Jr.s speeches in public from October, 1964 till early April, 1968.---- Made Dr. King Jr. a threat to White America.
Made Dr. King Jr. a threat to the American System.
These are many of the reasons why Dr. King Jr. was a threat.----
1. Dr. King Jr. calling for proportional representation in the United States.
2. Dr. King Jr. being very critical of the United States federal government.
Dr. King Jr. stated that the United States government was the greatest purveyor of violence.
3. Dr. King Jr. being very critical of the United States foreign policy.
4. Dr. King Jr. being very critical of the United States military involvement in the civil wars in South Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos.
5. Dr. King Jr. being very critical of the United States federal government giving military & economic aid to the Right wing (Former Right wing at this) governments of South Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos.
6. Dr. King Jr. callling for slavery reparations.
7. Dr. King Jr. calling for a Marshal Plan for African Americans.
8. Dr. King Jr. calling for an "Economic Bill of Rights".
9. Dr. King Jr. calling for very widespread wealth redistribution in the United States.
It was primarily Dr. King Jr. calling for slavery reparations, a Marshal Plan for African Americans, an Economic Bill of Rights & very widespread wealth redistribution which made him a threat.
Especially Dr. King Jr. calling for a Marshal Plan for African Americans & for very widespread wealth redistribution in the United States.
Which made him a threat to White America.
Which made him a threat to the American System.
. Good stuff!!!
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Sep 14, 2013
 
The biggest invest I think should go into a research and development innovation programs. Creating technologies to make life and business more efficient.
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Teknaleji wrote:
The biggest invest I think should go into a research and development innovation programs. Creating technologies to make life and business more efficient.
The U.S. gubbermeat only wants spying and war technology. hehe

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