Should Black People in the USA Leave ...
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#229 Aug 5, 2013
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.
However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle. I also believe that many do not want to dig deep into their pockets and pay the Black man the reparations that he deserves for his contributions towards building an industrial empire and the ills suffered by him during this development process.
African Americans have broken their backs, labouring for no working wage as slaves for hundreds of years; they have fought and died in wars to defend the country's freedom, while suffering the institutional and psychological racism waged upon them by the educational system, the judicial system, the housing market and of course, the occurrence and legacy of the Jim Crow laws. Not to mention the disproportionate impact that the national "War on Drugs" policy has had on the Black community. In the process of all of this they have been taken away from their homeland and separated from their religion, language, cultural and ancestral heritage to the point that they have lost their true sense of self. In return for all of this hardship, Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant and share in the "American dream" but find that in a country where Whites dominate in the economic and political spheres of life that the odds are stacked against them. Particularly given that Blacks (clearly) do not start on a level playing field against Whites.
A solution to all of this could involve partitioning a piece of land within the US for Blacks to live and settle in, where they are separate from White Americans and other ethnicities. But, this delegated region would have to be completely autonomous in its own right. It would need its own national borders, Black-run government, courts, foreign policy etc. Essentially, this land must be declared as a self-governing nation-state. At least in this way, African Americans will find themselves much closer to truly being in control of their own destiny. Albeit, some kind of financial backing and general guidance would be needed by the US government, but only in specified areas and only for a set period of time.
To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm jAlso, examples of countries or regions where something such as this has already happened are welcome. I know that something similar may have happened in India with the autonomous Kashmir state and that this could link into the Jewish community of Europe and the "Road to Zion" that was found in Israel but can you think of any others?
Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.
Obviously, a black person didn't start this thread. If you don't like living here in America because there are people here different than you, you need to leave. It's that simple.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#230 Aug 5, 2013
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent.
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments.
However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle.
On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant
To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm just throwing this topic out there to see what kind of response I get.
Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.
Quit HIDING, dude. Everybody knows you're not BLACK. You're a WHITE GUY hiding behind a computer and an internet forum who wants all blacks to leave America. No black person in their right mind would start a thread with a title like this.
Black Panty

Washington, DC

#231 Aug 7, 2013
Johnny wrote:
Johnny is a racist asshole! All you're doing is causing hate and division with your posts. If foreign blacks are "better" than why dont white americans bring them to the USA more often? You bring all these latinos over here. Racism!
JLZ1 ---- You said "Remember blacks in America are split over the idea of nationhood".--- True.
You said "Not all blacks want to seperate from America. Yet for over 300 years many have yearned for their own country here".----
Your 2 points here.---- You are absolutely correct.
You said "The repressed story Is that so have we, to form our own country here".---- True.
You said "This started in 1660".---- Yes, it was around 1660.---- Among a few African American slaves, that they wrote down a blueprint for an independent homeland.
What these African American slaves wrote down, their proposal was for an independent homeland within a parcel of territory in Americas 13 colonies.
Johnny is a racist asshole! The truth is that you're uneducated and a big ass liar! White americans dont really care about the other minorities and immigrants. If they cared, they would know more about them and be inclusive of them. White americans just pit these groups against black americans. White americans dont care about foreign blacks. Whites dont hardly bring foreign blacks to this country but I see all these latinos here. White americans make it very hard for foreign blacks to move here. The KKK is dying and I'm so damn glad!
Black Panty

Washington, DC

#233 Aug 7, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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Well, when I first started posting on Topix back in late January, 2008. On the Dominican Republic & Haiti forums. When I first started posting on Topix Top Stories forum back in mid February, 2008.---- I have been posting on Topix Top Stories forum from mid February, 2008 till now. On & off.
NEVER once have I ever seen a thread &/or post which has been typed up by a White poster. Which entails the type of subject matter which you typed up above.
Black americans are a threat because we dont put up with no stuff! We call white americans out whenever we see fit! Black americans are the most educated and affluent blacks in the world. The fact that you prefer the poorest and most educated blacks is really absured. This kind of racism I dont understand. Black americans have progressed a lot more than other formerly oppressed groups. We started out as slaves and now there is a black man in the White House. Please stop all this hate and division. Only evil whites make your kind of comments. If you prefer these groups than you'd be more inclusive of them. White americans dont socialize nor mix much with other minorities neither. You Klanners kill me with all your lies and hatred. Outside of USA, black americana is so popular. Black americans matter in the world. Unfortunately your preferred peeps from Latin America, Africa, Caribbean, and Asian dont matter much to the world. Foreign whites like black americans a lot. Foreign whites dont care for hispanics, asians, black west indians, africans, etc. Why? It's a class issue, lol. So, therefore, everyone doesn't hate us. So stop all your racist, bullshit lies. Please go back to school or get a damn job!
jasslemas

West Mifflin, PA

#234 Aug 8, 2013
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blacks should go back to africa where they forst took slave jobs and get there slave jobs back.
Blacks always took slave jobs
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#235 Aug 8, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Quit HIDING, dude. Everybody knows you're not BLACK. You're a WHITE GUY hiding behind a computer and an internet forum who wants all blacks to leave America. No black person in their right mind would start a thread with a title like this.
__________

Doctor, you addressed your above post to the poster "kas". He hasn't been online in awhile.

But, kas is NOT a White dude.

He is Jamaican.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#236 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty --- You said "The KKK is dying and I'm so damn glad!".---- Well, the Ku Klux Klans height of strength & popularity was back in 1925.

From 1925 till now.---- The Ku Klux Klan has been a NON factor in the United States.

You said "Johnny is a racist a--hole!".----

Uh, in all of my previous posts on this thread, NONE of my posts were "racist".

In my previous posts on this thread, I pointed out the dynamics about the United States "Identity Politics".

I pointed out the dynamics about the United States group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics.

The reality is that the United States has Identity Politics.

The reality is that the United States has group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics.

The United States has a racial caste system. A racial social strata laddder, pecking order & food chain.

In this nation, race matters. It always has mattered. It always will matter.

It is what it is.

Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#237 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty ---- You said "White americans dont really care about the other minorities and immigrants".---- Sure they do.

White Americans don't mind other minorities & immigrants because they AREN'T a threat to them.

You said "If they cared, they would know more about them and be inclusive of them".---- White-Americans are inclusive of the other minorities & immigrants.

In a follow up post, I'll list many examples of this.

You said "White americans pit these groups against black americans".---- This is true.

This is why.---- Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included), Asians, Native Americans & Pacific Islanders are NOT a threat to White America.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included), Asians, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders are NOT a threat to the American System.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to White America.

Blacks who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to the American System.

But, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to White America.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to the American System.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#238 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty ---- You said "White americans dont care about foreign blacks".---- White-Americans do care.

This is the MAIN reason.---- White-Americans feel way more comfortable around foreign born blacks. Because foreign born blacks are NOT a threat to White America.

You said "but I see all these latinos here".---- Oh yeah. BIG TIME.

This is why.---- Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are WAY prefered. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

You said "White americans make it very hard for foreign blacks to move here".---- True.

But, foreign born blacks are still WAY prefered. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#239 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty ----- You said "You Klanners".--- Uh, NO "Klan" here. The Ku Klux Klan is too extreme in their ideology & tactics.

There are different levels & degrees of prejudice & racism.

There are extreme Right wing White groups like the Ku Klux Klan, Neo Nazis &/or skinheads.

Most Whites don't support extreme Right wing White groups.

Then, there is the average White person.---- The average White person will have some African American (Descendants of black American slaves) acquaintances. Maybe even a few African Americans who may be considered as friends.

The average White person will like some African American athletes, singers, actors, actresses &/or comedians.

But, at the same time.---- The average White person will still view most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) as being less.

The average White person will still view most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) as being inferior.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#240 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty --- You said "Outside of USA, black americana is so popular".---- African American (Descendants of black American slaves) singers & athletes.

Especially the African American singers.

You said "Unfortunately your preferred peeps from Latin America, Africa, Caribbean, and Asian dont matter much to the world".---- Not true.

Because the musical genres from the Spanish speaking nations, black Sub-Saharan African nations, black Anglophone, black French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Asia.---- Are also in the European nations.

You said "Foreign whites dont care for hispanics, asians, black west indians, africans, etc.".---- Not true.

In the Western European nations.---- There is WAY less racial division between Whites & people of African descent.

Compared to the division & polarization in the United States between African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) & White-Americans.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#241 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty wrote:
<quoted text>Outside of USA, black americana is so popular.
__________

African American (Descendants of black American slaves) singers & athletes are.

Especially the African American singers.

What White Europeans who live in Europe think & feel.---- So what.

I state "so what" because White Europeans who live in Europe have absolutely NO say on the United States domestic affairs.

White Europeans who live in Europe have NO say on the United States foreign policies.

African American singers & athletes are also very popular in the United States.

At the same time, White-Americans still view most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) as being less.

White-Americans still view most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) as being inferior.

EVERYONE has prejudices, biases & preferences.

Racism compared to prejudices.---- The line is a very thin line. In many ways (If not most), the line is crossed.

Racism compared to biases.---- The line is a very thin line. In many ways (If not most), the line is crossed.

Racism compared to preferences.---- The line is a very thin line. In many ways (If not most), the line is crossed.

Again, everyone has prejudices, biases & preferences.

The only differences are the levels & degrees of the prejudices, biases & preferences.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#242 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty ---- You said "We started out as slaves".---- True.

You said "and now there is a black man in the White House".----

Granted, the United States president, Democrat Barack Obama has some African ancestry.

Barack has stated that he's "African American".

Obama HAS to state that he is African American.

But, Barack is TOTALLY different. Compared to most descendants of black American slaves.

This is why.---- Baracks mother was White. She was Irish-American.

Baracks father was a black African. Baracks father was from a black Kenyan ethnic group.

Barack DOESN'T have any ancestral ties nor roots to the descendants of black American slaves.

Obama HAS to call himself an "African American".

This is why.---- If Obama would say that he is multiracial or mixed, this would alienate him from the African American (Descendants of black American slaves) "community".

From 1964 till now, in each & every election.--- African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) have VERY overwhelmingly voted for candidates of the Democratic Party.

From 1964 till now.----- The African American (Descendants of black American slaves) voting bloc has been a very critical core constituency of the Democratic Party.

If Obama would say that he is multiracial or mixed, this would totally alienate him from the African American (Descendants of black American slaves) voting bloc.

So, Obama HAS to say that he is "African American". Because Obama & other Democratic Party candidates NEED the African American (Descendants of black American slaves) vote.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#243 Aug 8, 2013
kas91 wrote:
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United
Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.
On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.
However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle. I also believe that many do not want to dig deep into their pockets and pay the Black man the reparations that he deserves for his contributions towards building an industrial empire and the ills suffered by him during this development process.
African Americans have broken their backs, labouring for no working wage as slaves for hundreds of years; they have fought and died in wars to defend the country's freedom, while suffering the institutional and psychological racism waged upon them by the educational system, the judicial system, the housing market and of course, the occurrence and legacy of the Jim Crow laws. Not to mention the disproportionate impact that the national "War on Drugs" policy has had on the Black community. In the process of all of this they have been taken away from their homeland and separated from their religion, language, cultural and ancestral heritage to the point that they have lost their true sense of self. In return for all of this hardship, Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant and share in the "American dream" but find that in a country where Whites dominate in the economic and political spheres of life that the odds are stacked against them. Particularly given that Blacks (clearly) do not start on a level playing field against Whites.
A solution to all of this could involve partitioning a piece of land within the US for Blacks to live and settle in, where they are separate from White Americans and other ethnicities. But, this delegated region would have to be completely autonomous in its own right. It would need its own national borders, Black-run government, courts, foreign policy etc. Essentially, this land must be declared as a self-governing nation-state. At least in this way, African Americans will find themselves much closer to truly being in control of their own destiny. Albeit, some kind of financial backing and general guidance would be needed by the US government, but only in specified areas and only for a set period of time.
To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm just throwing this topic out there to see what kind of response I get. What do you guys make of this? In particular, I would like to get the opinions of African Americans themselves on this topic. Also, examples of countries or regions where something such as this has already happened are welcome. I know that something similar may have happened in India with the autonomous Kashmir state and that this could link into the Jewish community of Europe and the "Road to Zion" that was found in Israel but can you think of any others?
Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.
You think this is a new idea?
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#244 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty ---- You said "Black americans are a threat because we dont put up with no stuff! We call white americans out whenever we see fit!".---

What you stated here is just one facet as to why African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) are a threat.

These are the main reasons why African Americans are a threat to White America.----

1. The history between African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) & White-Americans in the United States.

2. The very bad blood between African Americans & White-Americans in the United States.

3. All of the overhead which is associated with this bad blood.

4. African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) numbers in the United States.

This makes the African American "community" collectively a threat to White America.

This makes the African American "community" collectively to be a threat to the American System.

5. Left wing African American (Descendants of black American slaves) "leaders".

This makes the African American "community" collectively a threat to White.

This makes the African American "community" collectively to be a threat to the American System.

It is especially points #4 & #5.---- Which makes African Americans a threat to White America.

Which makes African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) a threat to the American System.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#245 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty ---- You said "Black americans are the most affluent blacks in the world".---- True.

But, you are omitting MANY very critical factors.

The reason why African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) have the title as being the "most affluent blacks in the world" is because of this factor.----- African Americans collective earning & spending power.

But, out of this earning & spending power.---- African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) do NOT spend their money with African American owned or managed businesses.

African Americans spend their money with White managed & White owned businesses.

African Americans don't keep their money in their "communities". African Americans money goes OUTSIDE of their "communities".

African Americans money goes into White communities.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#246 Aug 8, 2013
Black Panty wrote:
<quoted text>Black americans are the most educated blacks in the world.
__________

True.

At the same time, most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) in the United States are undergoing WAY more self destructive behaviors from within.

Compared to what blacks from the Spanish speaking nations, black Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are undergoing.

Just look at African Americans school drop out rates in the United States.

The African Americans who do graduate from college.---- They major in a field which is in the lowest tier of the Liberal Arts.

A major which is NOT in demand. A major which will not garner much money. A major which will not garner much benefits. A major which will not garner job security.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#247 Aug 8, 2013
CocoSista ---- You said "This country is growing worse and worse each year".---- True.

From February, 2009 till now.----- The United States has become way, way more divided & polarized. Along ideological, class & "racial" lines.

Regarding race, the largest degree of division & polarization is between African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) & White-Americans. By a very, very long stretch.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#249 Aug 8, 2013
CocoSista ---- You said "My family is from Jamaica".---- Cool.

You said "but Jamaica is not a safe haven for me or my family because of the high crime rate".--- I see your point here.

Since you are Jamaican.---- I'm sure that you have picked up a vibe from White-Americans. A positive vibe. That since you are Jamaican, White-Americans have an open vibe towards you.

The White-Americans which you first meet.--- If they aren't aware that you are Jamaican, tell them. Once you tell them that you are Jamaican, they will look at you & view you in a postive light.

White-Americans view Jamaicans in a WAY better light. Compared to how White-Americans view African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

White-Americans view Jamaicans as being one of the acceptable black groups.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#250 Aug 8, 2013
Black Queen ---- You said "When America is torn the shits, and it will get torn to shits, blacks are going to be long gone trust me it is in the making".---

Uh, I'm not so sure about this.

This is why.---- Many African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) stating that they may one day migrate back to Africa is totally different.

Compared to African Americans actually following through with their statement.

You said "Africa and Jamaica here we come".---

Uh, the Jamaican government hasn't given ANY "okay" for many millions of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) to move to Jamaica.

The Jamaican masses in Jamaica haven't given ANY "okay" for many millions of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) to move to Jamaica.

No respective black Sub-Saharan African government has given any "okay". For many millions of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) to migrate to their nation(s).

No black Africans in any black African nation has given any "okay". For many millions of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) to migrate to their nation(s).

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