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Should Black People in the USA Leave America and Establish Their Own Country?

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#1 May 8, 2013
My Proposal for Black Separatism in the United

Race relations in the USA have always been rocky and ambivalent. Racism within the country, on the most part has not progressed and has simply adapted to suit new surroundings.

On the one hand you have White Americans, who seem to be frustrated and irritated about what they view as being a burden on the nation - the continuous plight of African Americans. Whether it's to do with the social, economic and fiscal costs of building prisons to hold Black inmates, propping up welfare payments for a relatively higher unemployed group of people or managing and rehabilitating poor Black towns and cities, everyone else ends up footing the bill.

However, I could hazard a guess that many White Americans are still too cut off and racist towards Blacks to actually understand their struggle. I also believe that many do not want to dig deep into their pockets and pay the Black man the reparations that he deserves for his contributions towards building an industrial empire and the ills suffered by him during this development process.

African Americans have broken their backs, labouring for no working wage as slaves for hundreds of years; they have fought and died in wars to defend the country's freedom, while suffering the institutional and psychological racism waged upon them by the educational system, the judicial system, the housing market and of course, the occurrence and legacy of the Jim Crow laws. Not to mention the disproportionate impact that the national "War on Drugs" policy has had on the Black community. In the process of all of this they have been taken away from their homeland and separated from their religion, language, cultural and ancestral heritage to the point that they have lost their true sense of self. In return for all of this hardship, Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?

On the other hand, Blacks want to help themselves in becoming self-reliant and share in the "American dream" but find that in a country where Whites dominate in the economic and political spheres of life that the odds are stacked against them. Particularly given that Blacks (clearly) do not start on a level playing field against Whites.

A solution to all of this could involve partitioning a piece of land within the US for Blacks to live and settle in, where they are separate from White Americans and other ethnicities. But, this delegated region would have to be completely autonomous in its own right. It would need its own national borders, Black-run government, courts, foreign policy etc. Essentially, this land must be declared as a self-governing nation-state. At least in this way, African Americans will find themselves much closer to truly being in control of their own destiny. Albeit, some kind of financial backing and general guidance would be needed by the US government, but only in specified areas and only for a set period of time.

To clear something up, I am myself a Black person and do not intend to spread any kind of racist material or propaganda, I'm just throwing this topic out there to see what kind of response I get. What do you guys make of this? In particular, I would like to get the opinions of African Americans themselves on this topic. Also, examples of countries or regions where something such as this has already happened are welcome. I know that something similar may have happened in India with the autonomous Kashmir state and that this could link into the Jewish community of Europe and the "Road to Zion" that was found in Israel but can you think of any others?

Looking forward to getting contributions from you guys on this topic.

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Why Dont You Stay

Reynoldsburg, OH

#2 May 8, 2013
I am not a White-American. I am an American who was born "white". Why must you be an African-American? Stay and become an American.

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#3 May 8, 2013
@Why Dont You Stay, that would be the ideal option but I personally believe that in order to have the plight of the African Americans alleviated alot of work needs to be done.

It involves investing in raising educational standards and educational attainment in Black ghettoes, investing in remedial education for those written off during the segregation period up until the 1980s, increasing financial and technical assistance for aspiring Black entrepreneurs. regenerating poor Black urban areas and much more.

None of this will come at a small fee and even if the money was available how do you White-led institutions to change their approach and possibly divert federal funding from other areas into this?

The feasible option is to secede from the States and start afresh.
lynn

Salyersville, KY

#6 May 8, 2013
People are people color has no issue!

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#8 May 8, 2013
@Captain O, thank you for giving your honest opinion. If there was some way of showing these White supremacists how everyone would be better if this happened I'm sure that they would agree, this technically complements many of their viewpoints.

A number of major Northeastern and Southern cities already have a significant Black population, things would work from there and so on.

The major issue is that this separate piece of land will not be somewhere in Africa as suggested by the greats such as Marcus Garvey and others, it's going to have to be in America. Land will have to be given and people will have to be relocated, that's the one major issue. Along with also convincing African Americans to come on board with this whole idea in the first place! Lol

“Leading the Revolution”

Since: Oct 09

Washington, DC

#9 May 9, 2013
Kas

That idea only has one major flaw, you want land in the US! Not worth it, if you are serious, then reach out to organizations that are already involved in this. If we are serious, then Africa is our only real solution. There's plenty of land available, islands we could buy, not America, too much negative history, better to start fresh!
Unknown

Fair Lawn, NJ

#10 May 9, 2013
After going through so much, and it's all going to go to waste? Millions of people have done so much for black rights and giving up is admitting defeat. I would prefer if the white supremacists in certain states were to secede from 'Murka, but that's not going to happen...

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#11 May 9, 2013
dkanela,

If certain African states who hold valuable land by the coast or land well endowed with natural resources were to have an open mind to this proposal then yes, Africa it is. However, this land would have to be partitioned for the creation of a new NATION-STATE, in other words, this valuable land would be cut off from their control as it will no longer be within their territorial boundaries. Would be quite difficult to convince any African government to play ball.

I must stress, this all relates to the setting up a nation state from afresh. It won't include integrating African Americans into the population of a particular African country or vice versa.

So, setting up a separate Black nation in Africa will also pose a number of logistical issues. How would one implement and enforce the arrival of everyone to their new country? It's a different continent, so travel would only be administered by sea or plane. When compared to simply travelling on land to the partitioned part of America, the logistics of transporting 30-40 million people to a new continent would be a nightmare.

It may also be alot more difficult to convince African Americans themselves to completely leave the USA, rather than remain right next to their old home.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#12 May 11, 2013
kas & dkanela ---- Before I address your points which you typed up on this thread. An observation.----

Did you notice that you two African Americans are the ONLY African Americans.---- Who commented about African Americans having their own respective homeland.

This is my premise.---- Most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) TRULY don't care about having their own independent land.

Most African Americans TRULY don't care about African Americans having economic solvency.

Most African Americans would rather converse about VERY trivial, juvenile & childish things. About sex positions. About the private areas of humans.

About Nicki Minaj, about why is Beyonce light skinned, etc.?

Again, most African Americans TRULY don't care about African Americans having their own independent land.

Again, most African Americans TRULY don't care about African Americans having economic independence.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#13 May 11, 2013
Captain O wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you live in Disneyland?
"This is one of the most requested programs in FRONTLINE's history. It is about an Iowa schoolteacher who, the day after Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered in 1968, gave her third-grade students a first-hand experience in the meaning of discrimination. This is the story of what she taught the children, and the impact that lesson had on their lives."
Watch this 46:00 program here in five consecutive chapters:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
__________

Your post above.---- You directed it to a different poster. She didn't respond back. But, I'll address it.

You are correct about Jane Elliot. You are correct about her "experiment".

But, you are omitting A LOT of very critical factors & variables.

Jane Elliot conducted her "experiment" back in 1968.

From 1968 till now, A LOT has happened & changed in the United States.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#15 May 11, 2013
Captain O wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you live in Disneyland?
"This is one of the most requested programs in FRONTLINE's history. It is about an Iowa schoolteacher who, the day after Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered in 1968, gave her third-grade students a first-hand experience in the meaning of discrimination. This is the story of what she taught the children, and the impact that lesson had on their lives."
Watch this 46:00 program here in five consecutive chapters:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
__________

The Jane Elliot "experiment" is NOT innocent or innoculous at all. The Jane Elliot experiment is VERY radical & divisive.

It is a social experiment conducted upon White children.

It entails the pushing of guilt upon White children.

It entails the pushing of self contempt upon White children.

The Jane Elliot experiment entails the pushing of thought, ideology, an agenda & indoctrination upon White children.

Again, the Jane Elliot experiment is VERY radical & divisive. Far left wing at this.

Jane Elliot has stated, that she, herself is a leftist.

Many teachers who have tried out the Jane Elliot experiment.---- Have been warned to cut it out.

A few times, the teachers haven't stopped it.--- They were fired.
god

San Anselmo, CA

#16 May 11, 2013
black ppl should sue america for making them into slaves
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#17 May 11, 2013
kas91 wrote:
Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
__________

Well, White-Americans collectively have done A LOT to help & empower African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Since White-Americans are the United States numerically dominant majority & since White-Americans pay the most in taxes.---

White-Americans have been disproportionately paying for the African Americans who are on welfare & other entitlements.

Examples of aid given to African Americans at the grassroots level.-----

Among the respective White-American groups, Jewish-Americans have especially done a lot to help & empower African Americans.

Jewish-Americans played a very critical & pivotal part in the formation of the National Association Advancement Colored People (NAACP), National Urban League (NUL), Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) & the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) organizations.

Jewish-Americans played a very critical & pivotal part in the sustaining of all of these African American organizations.

Jewish-Americans also gave a lot of assistance to the 1960s African American Civil Rights Movement.

This assistance consisted of monetary donations & legal aid.

In addition, back in the 1960s, many Jewish-Americans who lived in the northern United States.---- They traveled down to the southern United States. To confront the Jim Crow laws which the southern states had in place back then.
Why Dont You Blow Me

Reynoldsburg, OH

#19 May 11, 2013
LawandOrder_ wrote:
<quoted text>You are lying. The idea of being Italian, French, German, Polish, Canadian, Dutch and being American has always been a white thing.
I say that we herd up all the white people around the world and send them back to their country of origin.
Also, since black Africans, the Olmec tribe in 5300 BC were the first Americans, then whites need to leave.
Also, Mexicans are Americans, since Mexico is in America, in fact it is in North America.
Read my name, girlie, and know America is my country of origin.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#20 May 11, 2013
kas91 wrote:
Blacks have been recognised (politically) as human beings equal to all Whites and other races, and have been given (in some states) rights to affirmative action for the past 40 or so years. Does this all seem fair?
__________

Examples of aid which the United States federal government has given to African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).----

From the 1960s till now, African Americans have received trillions & trillions of dollars worth of aid. In these respective forms.----

Welfare, housing aid, rent assistance, heat assistance, health care aid, educational aid, free school lunches, food stamps, TANF, Section 8, AFDC, WIC, phone bill aid, transportation aid, legal aid, child care, day care, foster care, affirmative action/quotas, set asides & federal jobs.

White-Americans at the grassroots level have done MORE than their fair share to help & empower African Americans.

The United States governmental entities at the federal, state & local levels have done MORE than their fair share to help & empower African Americans.

So, Reparations have been paid.

African Americans are on their own in this nation.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) only have themselves for their survival in this nation.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#21 May 11, 2013
god wrote:
black ppl should sue america for making them into slaves
__________

From late 2001 till 2006.---- African American law firms have brought about several lawsuits against United States governmental entities at the federal, state & local levels. Every single one of these lawsuits has been thrown out.

A few years ago.--- An African American Reverend brought about a lawsuit against the Democratic Party. A lawsuit which said that the Democratic Party should be held responsible for mistreating African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

This lawsuit which this African American Reverend brought forward.---- This was thrown out.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#22 May 11, 2013
kas91 wrote:
It involves investing in raising educational standards and educational attainment in Black ghettoes, investing in remedial education for those written off during the segregation period up until the 1980s, increasing financial and technical assistance for aspiring Black entrepreneurs. regenerating poor Black urban areas and much more.
__________

kas, you using the term "Black".--- With all due respect, this is too broad.

Because not all people of African descent are in the same boat in the United States.

Primarily as it pertains to White America.

Especially as it pertains to the American System.

This is why.--- Afro-Latinos, blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are WAY PREFERED. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Afro-Latinos, blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to White America.

Afro-Latinos, blacks from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa are NOT a threat to the American System.

However though, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to White America.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to the American System.

THIS is why the United States federal government is taking many, different forms of public policy initiatives & social engineering policies.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

In my next posts, I'll list many examples of this.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#23 May 11, 2013
LawandOrder_ wrote:
<quoted text>If not then, the same can be said for white, who would rather converse about whether they are gay, if they like taking it up the butt and they are a man, about getting drunk and waste, sex with their sister, raping dogs,etc.
__________

Well, when I first started posting on Topix back in late January, 2008. On the Dominican Republic & Haiti forums. When I first started posting on Topix Top Stories forum back in mid February, 2008.---- I have been posting on Topix Top Stories forum from mid February, 2008 till now. On & off.

NEVER once have I ever seen a thread &/or post which has been typed up by a White poster. Which entails the type of subject matter which you typed up above.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#24 May 11, 2013
kas91 wrote:
The feasible option is to secede from the States and start afresh.
__________

You are absolutely correct.

But (With all due respect), this won't be happening.

A few of the reasons why this won't be happening, is because White America WON'T allow it.

Even more so, the United States federal government WON'T allow it.

It is because African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to White America.

Way more so, it is because African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to the American System.

So, many, different forms of public policy initiatives & social engineering policies are being conducted.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#25 May 11, 2013
kas91.---- Here are several of the different forms of social engineering policies. Which has been undertaken.

AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).----

1. Back in 1990.--- The United States federal government first put on the census, an open box.

SPECIFICALLY for Americans who came from an African American parent & a White parent.

For these Americans to write in a racial classification. DIFFERENT from African American.

2. From 1990 till 2000.---- Americans who came from an African American parent & a White parent were encouraged to seek SEPARATE classification. DIFFERENT from African American.

3. From 1995 till now.---- Americans who came from an African American parent & a White parent.--- Have been encouraged to form organizations. Which represent multiracial / mixed people.

4. From 1995 till now.--- Americans who came from an African American parent & a White parent.--- Have formed many, different organizations. For multiracial / mixed people.

Here are 3 links. On each & every one of these links, it shows many, different organizations. For multiracial / mixed people.

http://www.mixedfolks.com/links.htm .

http://mixedheritagecenter.org/index.php... .

http://www.mavinfoundation.org/new/ .

5. Back in 2000.---- The United States federal government officially got rid of the "one drop rule" in regards to "race". Implemented the "2 or more races" (Multiracial / mixed) category.

6. From 2000 till now.---- Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent.---- Have VERY much been encouraged to classify as 2 or more races (Multiracial / mixed).

7. From 2000 till now.---- Many Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent.---- Have been classifying as 2 or more races (Multiracial / mixed).

This is fracturing & fragmenting the African American "community".

8. From 2000 till now.---- Blacks in the United States who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.---- Have been encouraged to seek SEPARATE classfication. DIFFERENT from African American.

Blacks in the United States who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa.---Haven't received the separate classification yet.

But, in due time, they will.

Once this happens, this will even FURTHER fracture & fragment the African American "community" even more.

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