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#110 Jan 31, 2014
socci wrote:
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Jesus was here 2000 years ago, recorded by all the historians of the time. Bible says he is God & Creator.
So? Prove the bible is correct.

You've failed to prove your god exists.

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#111 Jan 31, 2014
socci wrote:
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Just the opposite, actually. Govt imposed atheism by definition is the brainwashing. How parents raise their children comes from the parents experience. If raised Christian, this comes after 2000 years of history.
My parents did not raise me Christian, I came out of the state schools in a total state of confusion, like most. Only many years later did I study Christianity & Bible and found it to be truth.
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Brainwashing is not, as some anti-Christian educators and students contend, the Biblical process of training our children to love and follow God. The word "brainwashing" refers to a planned, step-by-step attempt to "wash" family-taught beliefs from the minds of those who oppose government ideology. In America, it would mean replacing the old Biblical values and world view with a new way of thinking that would support a totalitarian agenda. In other words, every child must become a peace child, a willing and active servant of a new world order.
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/brainwashin...
The how was "faith instilled in you from an early age"?
Zhiguli

Novi Sad, Serbia

#114 Jan 31, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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So? Prove the bible is correct.
You've failed to prove your god exists.
What about the Heavens and The Earth? Who created them? Who created each man and woman individually? We may all seem the same but yet we are all unique. We have our own fingerprints, our DNA.

Who created it all? Big Bang Theory maybe lolololol?
Zhiguli

Novi Sad, Serbia

#115 Jan 31, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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"faith was instilled in me from an early age"
Its called "brainwashing" dear….
She found Christ as a child and so did I. When I was 7 year old. I maybe didn't know much about religion and Christianity then but I did believe someone is in charge, some higher force, it's God. And neither parents nor TV nor someone else "brainwashed me" it just comes natural
Zhiguli

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#116 Jan 31, 2014
yualreadykno wrote:
<quoted text> Amen! The christian wonder why it's hard for an unaffiliated person to pay heed to them, when, as you say, they don't practice what they preach. where a mans treasure lies, so does his heart, and like you said, most of them are to worldly with greed to come across with any credibility for their cause!
I just proved to that false Prophet Alan that Jesus exists. He should read page 2,3 and 4 of this topic. Fool lost the argument that's why he doesn't come here anymore
Zhiguli

Novi Sad, Serbia

#117 Jan 31, 2014
Pardon, only page 3 and 4

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#119 Jan 31, 2014
Zhiguli wrote:
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What about the Heavens and The Earth? Who created them? Who created each man and woman individually? We may all seem the same but yet we are all unique. We have our own fingerprints, our DNA.
Who created it all? Big Bang Theory maybe lolololol?
Who created your god? Let me guess…everything needs a creator EXCEPT your god, right?

LOL

Anyway, like everyone else, you've yet to provide any proof that any god ever worshipped exists.

Next?

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#121 Jan 31, 2014
Zhiguli wrote:
So you think when we die we are dead finito and that's all there is to it? You don't believe our spirit, our soul continues to some better world or some bad world, depends how we lived our earthly life.
There is God and Jesus "myth" is far from dying, on the contrary it's just starting to live again and spread, peopel are comign back to God. Wherever you go on internet almost on every page people debate about religion. It's a top topic these days with a reason.
Unfortunately for orthodox Christians, such as Southern Baptists, Annihilationism is biblically defensible as the following verses show all too well. Undoubtedly the strongest passage is found in Eccle. 3:19-21 which says, "For that which befalls the sons of men befalls beasts; even one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other; yet they all have one breath; so that man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go to one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward, and the spirit of the beast goes downward to the earth." That is about as definitive as one can be. If man has no "preeminence" or "advantage" over the beasts as the RSV and the Modern Language say, then all else is for nought. Another potent verse is found in Eccle. 9:5 which says, "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten." If there is no more reward, then it is all over, including the shouting.

As Morey said on page 216 in the same book, "The book of Ecclesiastes has always been a favorite source of proof texts for the doctrine of soul sleep" otherwise known as annihilationism. Less prominent verses are:

Psalm 6:5 ("For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?"),
Psalm 88:10 ("Wilt thou do wonders for the dead? Will the dead rise and praise Thee?"),
Psalm 115:17 ("The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into the silence"), and
Eccle. 9:10 ("Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going").

All of these verses state or strongly imply that once you are dead you are dead and that is that. As far as annihilationism is concerned, Freiling's cartoons summarize the situation as well as any by saying: "That's All, Folks" there isn't any more, at least not for the wicked.

Annihilationists have other arguments in their portfolio as well. For example, they cite

1 Tim. 6:15-16, which says, "...and this will be made manifest at the proper time by the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality...."

If only Jesus has immortality, then the conclusion is obvious.

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#122 Jan 31, 2014
Zhiguli wrote:
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What about the Heavens and The Earth? Who created them? Who created each man and woman individually? We may all seem the same but yet we are all unique. We have our own fingerprints, our DNA.
Who created it all? Big Bang Theory maybe lolololol?
Who ever told you there was a God lied to you. Nothing was created, something was always here, it just rearranged itself.

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#123 Jan 31, 2014
Zhiguli wrote:
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I just proved to that false Prophet Alan that Jesus exists. He should read page 2,3 and 4 of this topic. Fool lost the argument that's why he doesn't come here anymore
You have proved nothing.

“No Allah: know peace”

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#124 Jan 31, 2014
socci wrote:
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Jesus was here 2000 years ago, recorded by all the historians of the time.[/QUOT]
Wrong. There were NO historians at the time that said anything about him. All writings, including the gospels, were written after his death. The earliest non-propaganda writings barely mention him, saying nothing more than that there were followers of a guy named Jesus.
[QUOTE who="socci"] Bible says he is God & Creator.
Wrong again. In fact, the Bible PROVES that he was nothing of what xians want to believe about him.

He could not possibly have been the Messiah, since he failed to fulfill the prophecies.

He was a human, and the Bible specifically prohibits worshiping any human, ever.

"Son of God" means nothing more than that he was an observant Jewish male.

“No Allah: know peace”

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#125 Jan 31, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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Who created your god? Let me guess…everything needs a creator EXCEPT your god, right?
LOL
Anyway, like everyone else, you've yet to provide any proof that any god ever worshipped exists.
Next?
The God of the Bible was created by Amun-Ra.

Hail to thee, Amun-Ra,
Lord of the Throne of the Two Lands,
Presiding over Karnak,
Bull of His Mother, Presiding over His Fields!
Far-reaching of stride, presiding over Upper Egypt,
Lord of the Medjay and ruler of Punt,
Eldest of heaven, first-born of earth,
Lord of what is, enduring in all things,
Enduring in all things…

The gods fawn at his feet, according as they recognize his majesty as their lord
The lord of fear, great of dread,
Rich in might, terrible of appearances,
Flourishing in offerings and making provisions.
Jubilation to thee who made the gods,
Raised the heavens and laid down the ground!

See? This prayer that was written before the Bible proves it!

“No Allah: know peace”

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#126 Jan 31, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Unfortunately for orthodox Christians, such as Southern Baptists, Annihilationism is biblically defensible as the following verses show all too well. Undoubtedly the strongest passage is found in Eccle. 3:19-21 which says, "For that which befalls the sons of men befalls beasts; even one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other; yet they all have one breath; so that man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go to one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward, and the spirit of the beast goes downward to the earth." That is about as definitive as one can be. If man has no "preeminence" or "advantage" over the beasts as the RSV and the Modern Language say, then all else is for nought. Another potent verse is found in Eccle. 9:5 which says, "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten." If there is no more reward, then it is all over, including the shouting.
As Morey said on page 216 in the same book, "The book of Ecclesiastes has always been a favorite source of proof texts for the doctrine of soul sleep" otherwise known as annihilationism. Less prominent verses are:
Psalm 6:5 ("For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?"),
Psalm 88:10 ("Wilt thou do wonders for the dead? Will the dead rise and praise Thee?"),
Psalm 115:17 ("The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into the silence"), and
Eccle. 9:10 ("Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going").
All of these verses state or strongly imply that once you are dead you are dead and that is that. As far as annihilationism is concerned, Freiling's cartoons summarize the situation as well as any by saying: "That's All, Folks" there isn't any more, at least not for the wicked.
Annihilationists have other arguments in their portfolio as well. For example, they cite
1 Tim. 6:15-16, which says, "...and this will be made manifest at the proper time by the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality...."
If only Jesus has immortality, then the conclusion is obvious.
A Jewish friend of mine was fond of pointing out that the Bible clearly states that all humans die and are just dead, there is nothing after. It also states clearly that all humans will go to Heaven. AND, it states clearly that only the good people, those who have obeyed all of the laws of the Torah (i.e. observant Jews) will go to Heaven, the rest are just dead.

Of course, under any of those scenarios, people who worship a false god like Jesus will only get to Heaven if everybody else on Earth is going there too.
Zhiguli

Novi Sad, Serbia

#127 Jan 31, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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You have proved nothing.
Just you read page 3 and 4 and then talk
Zhiguli

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#128 Jan 31, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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Wrong again. In fact, the Bible PROVES that he was nothing of what xians want to believe about him.
He could not possibly have been the Messiah, since he failed to fulfill the prophecies.
He was a human, and the Bible specifically prohibits worshiping any human, ever.
"Son of God" means nothing more than that he was an observant Jewish male.
Who said he failed to fulfill, you?

I only see all the things he said are coming true. You like it or not.

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#129 Feb 1, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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A Jewish friend of mine was fond of pointing out that the Bible clearly states that all humans die and are just dead, there is nothing after. It also states clearly that all humans will go to Heaven. AND, it states clearly that only the good people, those who have obeyed all of the laws of the Torah (i.e. observant Jews) will go to Heaven, the rest are just dead.
Of course, under any of those scenarios, people who worship a false god like Jesus will only get to Heaven if everybody else on Earth is going there too.
There is no way to make sense of any of it. Not only are there major problems within each Bible, but there is more than one Bible! For instance:

1 SAM. 13:1

("Saul was .?. years old when he began to reign"--RSV, NAB, NWT, MT)
versus
("50 years old"--NEB)
versus
("40 years old"--ASV, NAS)
versus
("30 years old"--NIV).

Again, 1 SAM. 13:1

("...and for 2 years he reigned over Israel"--NWT, MT, NAB)
versus
("and he reigned over Israel for 22 years" --NEB)
versus
("he reigned 32 years"--NAS)
versus
("he reigned over Israel 42 years"--NIV)
versus
("one or two years"--LV).

KJ = King James Version, RS = Revised Standard Version, ML = Modern Language, AS = American Standard Version, NEB = New English Bible, NAB = New American Bible, NI = New International Version, NAS = New American Standard, TEV = Today's English Version, BBE = Bible in Basic English, NWT = New World Translation, JB = Jerusalem Bible, LV = Lamsa's Version, MT = Masoretic Text, LB = Living Bible].

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#130 Feb 1, 2014
Zhiguli wrote:
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Who said he failed to fulfill, you?
I only see all the things he said are coming true. You like it or not.
This is the thing with you Christ-insanity-ists, "Who said," like saying something is proof. Who said the earth is flat? Who said the earth is a globe? Jesus failed, he failed to fulfill, not because someone said it but because he failed to fulfill.

And how could Jesus be our saviour when he could not even save himself?

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#131 Feb 1, 2014
1. While on the Cross Jesus said, "My God my God, why hast thou forsaken
me" (Mark 15:34). How could Jesus be our savior when he couldn't even
save himself? Those aren't the words of a man voluntarily dying for our
sins; those are the words of a man who can think of a hundred other
places he would rather be.

2. Jesus said, "whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of
hell fire" (Matt. 5:22). Yet, he himself did so repeatedly, as Matt.
23:17, 19 and Luke 11:40 and 12:20 show. Shouldn't he be in danger of
hell too?

3. Except those of biased Christian writers, there isn't one writing
outside the Bible in all of ancient history that clearly refers to Jesus
of Nazareth.

4. Isn't Jesus a false prophet since he wrongly predicted in Matt. 12:40
that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the
whale three days and three nights? Friday afternoon to early Sunday
morning is only one and a half days.

5. Jesus' prophecy in John 13:38 (“The cock shall not crow, till thou
[Peter] hast denied me three times”) is false. Mark 14:66-68 shows the
cock crowed after the first denial, not the third.

6. How could Jesus be our model of sinless perfection when he denies he
is morally perfect in Matt. 19:17 ("And Jesus said unto him, Why callest
thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God")?

7. In 1 Cor. 1: 1 7 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to
preach the gospel”) Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matt.
28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them....” So
how could Jesus be the fountain of wisdom?

8. How could Jesus, whom the New Testament repeatedly refers to as the
son of man, be our savior when this is clearly forestalled by Psalm
146:3 ("Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man in whom
there is no help") and Job 25:6 ("How much less man, that is a worm? and
the son of man, which is a worm")?

9. How can Jesus be God when he repeatedly said he was not God's equal,
wasn't God? Obvious examples are: John 14:28 (“...for my Father is
greater than I”), John 20:17 ("I ascend unto my Father, and your Father,
and to my God, and your God"), and John 7:16 ("My doctrine is not mine
but his that sent me").

10. While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do.” To whom was he speaking? They say, "God.” But I
thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one god?
That's two gods.
N I 4 N I

Belgrade, Serbia

#134 Feb 1, 2014
I see I have to copy paste my own comments because the false prophet Alan is too lazy to get his lazy false prophet @55 and read em

"Just look at the sky, the mountains, the land, all the world around you and how each human is uniquely designed individually. There is no God... yet we have the matter and knowledge and we know what's good and what is bad, conscience

There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any God never existed.:) not a single atheist ever succeeded in telling the world otherwise."

Remember when Jesus commanded his disciples and Mary Magdalene to go and preach the Gospel to everyone? It happened 3 days after his death, when he ressurected.

If Ressurection never happened then the entire belief of Christians would've fell apart already. Also if you question the existence of Jesus you also question the existence of Aristotle, Julius Caesar etc. 5000 people saw his Ressurection. People who could've been persecuted at that time for saying such things. If Christ didn't rise these men would never be heard from again

Jesus died, three days later He DID ressurect and commanded them to go and preach the Good Word. They didnt get his commandment before but AFTER his Ressurection. And everywhere you look from ground to the sky there is a proof of Lord's existence. Simon Greenleaf founder of Harvard School of Law and one of the world greatest authorities on evidence. He studied all the testimonies reviewed all facts, discarded everything that was inadmissible and concluded: "based upon the evidence the Ressurection is as established as any other event in the human history"

There is God, Ressurection did happen. The end. Hakuna Matata!

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#136 Feb 1, 2014
N I 4 N I wrote:
I see I have to copy paste my own comments because the false prophet Alan is too lazy to get his lazy false prophet @55 and read em
"Just look at the sky, the mountains, the land, all the world around you and how each human is uniquely designed individually. There is no God... yet we have the matter and knowledge and we know what's good and what is bad, conscience
There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any God never existed.:) not a single atheist ever succeeded in telling the world otherwise."
Remember when Jesus commanded his disciples and Mary Magdalene to go and preach the Gospel to everyone? It happened 3 days after his death, when he ressurected.
If Ressurection never happened then the entire belief of Christians would've fell apart already. Also if you question the existence of Jesus you also question the existence of Aristotle, Julius Caesar etc. 5000 people saw his Ressurection. People who could've been persecuted at that time for saying such things. If Christ didn't rise these men would never be heard from again
Jesus died, three days later He DID ressurect and commanded them to go and preach the Good Word. They didnt get his commandment before but AFTER his Ressurection. And everywhere you look from ground to the sky there is a proof of Lord's existence. Simon Greenleaf founder of Harvard School of Law and one of the world greatest authorities on evidence. He studied all the testimonies reviewed all facts, discarded everything that was inadmissible and concluded: "based upon the evidence the Ressurection is as established as any other event in the human history"
There is God, Ressurection did happen. The end. Hakuna Matata!
Prove it.

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