Virtual Child Porn Riles Law Enforcement

Virtual Child Porn Riles Law Enforcement

There are 240 comments on the ABC News story from May 10, 2007, titled Virtual Child Porn Riles Law Enforcement. In it, ABC News reports that:

U.S. law enforcement calls it a loophole big enough to throw a desktop through, and about as frustrating.

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EDI

Since: Feb 07

NYC

#1 May 10, 2007
Victimless crimes shouldn't be prosecuted.
Mama-san

Seattle, WA

#2 May 10, 2007
The potential victims from this "game" are numerous.

This is like an alcoholic playing a "frosty beer drinking game" in which his character guzzles nice cold beer.

It fires up the urge to participate.

EDI

Since: Feb 07

NYC

#3 May 10, 2007
Mama-san wrote:
The potential victims from this "game" are numerous.
This is like an alcoholic playing a "frosty beer drinking game" in which his character guzzles nice cold beer.
It fires up the urge to participate.
...and I'd gladly stand up for the rights of video-gmae makers and video-game players to play "frosty beer drinking game" as well.

You mean that you wouldn't? You would be in favor of laws making it illegal for people to choose to play FBDG?

Because SOME people can't differentiate between fantasy and reality is a reason to prosecute THOSE specific people, not to deprive freedom of speech from those of us who are perfectly capable of living well with others.

Because there is no way to KNOW in advance who will prove incapable of leaving FBDG and living normally, or who can turn off Grand Theft Auto and know that its wrong not to kill people, we have a hard time stopping ONLY those people. The 2 options left are to prevent ALL people from playing or to allow ALL people to play and only deal with the criminals after they commit the crime.

Its a choice that we must make between liberty and security.

EDI

Since: Feb 07

NYC

#4 May 10, 2007
ignore my typo in the 4th paragraph. It is not okay to kill people.
Pauline

Goderich, Canada

#5 May 10, 2007
Mama-san wrote:
The potential victims from this "game" are numerous.
This is like an alcoholic playing a "frosty beer drinking game" in which his character guzzles nice cold beer.
It fires up the urge to participate.
I agree with you! This is not harmless, it's sick, and a pedophile will not change, he will be out looking for another innocent victim.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#6 May 10, 2007
This is a vile subject to be sure, however any law that protect nonexistent persons is a bit of a stretch for me. I can see very little difference between this and fantasy role playing games were, the “gamer” has the opportunity to play the roles of serial killers and so forth. Personally I cannot see the appeal for either, however that is just my opinion and I do resent any attempt at thought policing.
Mama-san

Seattle, WA

#7 May 10, 2007
EDI wrote:
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...and I'd gladly stand up for the rights of video-gmae makers and video-game players to play "frosty beer drinking game" as well.
You mean that you wouldn't? You would be in favor of laws making it illegal for people to choose to play FBDG?
Because SOME people can't differentiate between fantasy and reality is a reason to prosecute THOSE specific people, not to deprive freedom of speech from those of us who are perfectly capable of living well with others.
Because there is no way to KNOW in advance who will prove incapable of leaving FBDG and living normally, or who can turn off Grand Theft Auto and know that its wrong not to kill people, we have a hard time stopping ONLY those people. The 2 options left are to prevent ALL people from playing or to allow ALL people to play and only deal with the criminals after they commit the crime.
Its a choice that we must make between liberty and security.
Try to follow me here. This may be convoluted!

Pedophilia is an illness. It's not one that can be treated and "fixed." It's a lifelong addiction, much like alcoholism, drugs, or anything else.

For a pedophile to play a fantasy game like that is not healthy.

Honestly, I can't imagine why ANYONE would want to play it. I know men are visual creatures, but to "make love" on line with a virtual character is, well kinda creepy. Just my opinion :)

For the average male, this game might be fine. Creepy, but fine.

But to market it where sex offenders and pedophiles can get at it, can pose a huge risk to our children.

I don't think the game's makers should be prosecuted for making it, but I'd like to see it NOT marketed in the USA. Our children are way more important than some guy's fantasy.

EDI

Since: Feb 07

NYC

#8 May 10, 2007
Mama-san wrote:
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Try to follow me here. This may be convoluted!
Pedophilia is an illness. It's not one that can be treated and "fixed." It's a lifelong addiction, much like alcoholism, drugs, or anything else.
For a pedophile to play a fantasy game like that is not healthy.
Honestly, I can't imagine why ANYONE would want to play it. I know men are visual creatures, but to "make love" on line with a virtual character is, well kinda creepy. Just my opinion :)
For the average male, this game might be fine. Creepy, but fine.
But to market it where sex offenders and pedophiles can get at it, can pose a huge risk to our children.
I don't think the game's makers should be prosecuted for making it, but I'd like to see it NOT marketed in the USA. Our children are way more important than some guy's fantasy.
well we're not talking about what you or I personally like.

we're talking about the gov't making laws that will be enforced with force.

to the point that you want to complain about "the state of society" and disagree with what others are into... thats fine... it simply doesnt interest me.

I'm only in it to prevent the gov't from immorally taking away my rights.

p.s. watch the sarcasm in the future. thanks.

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#9 May 10, 2007
EDI wrote:
Victimless crimes shouldn't be prosecuted.
Yes they should, especially when they prevent the crime from reaching a victim.

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#10 May 10, 2007
EDI wrote:
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Because SOME people can't differentiate between fantasy and reality is a reason to prosecute THOSE specific people, not to deprive freedom of speech from those of us who are perfectly capable of living well with others.
The only people who want this particular kind of fantasy are the type we're actively trying to remove from our society.
Mama-san

Seattle, WA

#11 May 10, 2007
I meant absolutely no sarcasm in that post.

EDI

Since: Feb 07

NYC

#12 May 10, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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The only people who want this particular kind of fantasy are the type we're actively trying to remove from our society.
its an attempt to prosecute thoughtcrime.

Why can't i fantasize about killing someone, so long as I never actually do it?

And I'm not talking actually attempting to do it, but just failing for some reaosn or another..

But why can't I have a voodoo doll and literally wish death on someone? Or fantasize about killing them, so long as I never actually take any steps to carry out my actions on a physical human being?

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#13 May 10, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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The only people who want this particular kind of fantasy are the type we're actively trying to remove from our society.
So by your standards if you like to play questionable games,(those that portray violent and lawless acts) than you should be removed from society? Than how about those that enjoy games such has Grand Theft Auto, and the like, as EDI mentioned in above post.
While I tend to agree with you on this specific issue, whom is to decide what is acceptable thought.

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#14 May 10, 2007
EDI wrote:
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its an attempt to prosecute thoughtcrime.
Why can't i fantasize about killing someone, so long as I never actually do it?
You are actually doing it when you're looking at porn.

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#15 May 10, 2007
dontknowy wrote:
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So by your standards if you like to play questionable games,(those that portray violent and lawless acts) than you should be removed from society? Than how about those that enjoy games such has Grand Theft Auto, and the like, as EDI mentioned in above post.
While I tend to agree with you on this specific issue, whom is to decide what is acceptable thought.
The difference is that the average person who plays a serial killer in a game has no desire to be a serial killer in real life. Whereas every single guy who wants to have sex with children in a game also wants to have sex with them in real life.
Mama-san

Seattle, WA

#16 May 10, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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The difference is that the average person who plays a serial killer in a game has no desire to be a serial killer in real life. Whereas every single guy who wants to have sex with children in a game also wants to have sex with them in real life.
I agree with this. And the urge to be with a child grows stronger and stronger as they are exposed to pornography involving children.

Aren't the children in our country and their future more important than your rights to have a game like this?
Bama Yankee

Winchester, KY

#17 May 10, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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Yes they should, especially when they prevent the crime from reaching a victim.
Let me guess... you really got wrapped up in the plot of "Minority Report?"

Prosecute a crime before it happens....?

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#18 May 10, 2007
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Let me guess... you really got wrapped up in the plot of "Minority Report?"
Prosecute a crime before it happens....?
No.

EDI

Since: Feb 07

NYC

#19 May 10, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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The difference is that the average person who plays a serial killer in a game has no desire to be a serial killer in real life. Whereas every single guy who wants to have sex with children in a game also wants to have sex with them in real life.
Whats so illegal about "WANTING" to have sex with, say... a 16 year old girl?

It's only illegal if someone actually does it.

It's legal to WANT someone dead, only illegal to do it.

It's legal to WANT to rob a bank, only illegal to actually plan it or actually do it.

It's legal to WANT to do anything. it's only illegal to plan it or do it.

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#20 May 10, 2007
EDI wrote:
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Whats so illegal about "WANTING" to have sex with, say... a 16 year old girl?
Let me cut you off right at the pass. It's only child porn if the 'victim' is 13 years old or younger.

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