Bible is myth and folklore
Keith Olbermann

Lake Worth, FL

#662 Apr 26, 2007
pamela wrote:
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Who told you that these men were not there?? Have you ever been in a courtroom in which 2 or more eyewitnesses to a murder or accident scene gave
different accounts of what they saw?? The bottom line is that we are rationalizing Jesus with our minds--relating Him only to our limited knowledge..Could we possibly create the world? Can we create life from dust? Could we possibly put the universe together? I know that science tries to explain it--I'm a scientist, myself...Our minds can't comprehend what/who Jesus really is because it's greater than just our physical explanations....you have to approach Him with your heart. Ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you. He loves you and wants you to know Him......
You're a "scientist," yet you believe life was created from dust???

Tell me, does your field of science also rely on faith, instead of knowledge based on observable phenomena and capable of being tested for its validity by other researchers working under the same conditions?
John Coffey

United States

#663 Apr 26, 2007
Willybgood wrote:
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All that is being said there Keith, is That the days of King Davids life were determined before he was actually born (his birth date through death date). You are reading in to it if you just assume that all his actions words and decisions are written in that book also. It plainly does not say that.
you are exactly right... keith thinks it meant that god programed king david like a robot to make sure that this is exactly how you are going to live your life... when what he was saying just what you said...
Suei

United States

#664 Apr 26, 2007
ToTAlly
God told the men and women what to do to make thing great to help us ... god give our mind to think with. and help other like DNA machine and other God also say try try again even it do not work the 1st 2st or so time. you right
Keith Olbermann

Lake Worth, FL

#665 Apr 26, 2007
Willybgood wrote:
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All that is being said there Keith, is That the days of King Davids life were determined before he was actually born (his birth date through death date). You are reading in to it if you just assume that all his actions words and decisions are written in that book also. It plainly does not say that.
The verse plainly says what it says. Some Christians view the verse as an example of omniscience and predestination; others such as yourself do not. As far as I'm concerned, varying Xtain interpretations prove the verse is just another biblical contradiction.
Keith Olbermann

Lake Worth, FL

#666 Apr 26, 2007
Willybgood wrote:
I would also say that he does know what will take place. But because he knows does not mean he directed it. We are either in the book of life or out of the book of life. God has cast the devil out of heaven. Satan is free to roam the earth. Could it be possible that he was responsible for the V. Tech tragedy. Even though you don't believe in God your arguement would make more sense to say the devil is responsible more so than a loving God.
The word "ordained" means to prescribe or determine. So yes, it means your God has supposedly "directed" our lives.

As for Satan being responsible for the VT tragedy, Isaiah 45:7 reads, "I form the light and create darkness, I make weal AND CREATE WOE; I the Lord do all these things.

Since: Apr 07

United States

#667 Apr 26, 2007
Willybgood wrote:
I would also say that he does know what will take place. But because he knows does not mean he directed it. We are either in the book of life or out of the book of life. God has cast the devil out of heaven. Satan is free to roam the earth. Could it be possible that he was responsible for the V. Tech tragedy. Even though you don't believe in God your arguement would make more sense to say the devil is responsible more so than a loving God.
If that is so that we are either or then why continue harrassing non-blievers , trying to get them to believe in ghosts essentially . If you know your chosen . Let's try using common sense for awhile

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Since: Apr 07

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#668 Apr 26, 2007
Keith Olbermann wrote:
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The word "ordained" means to prescribe or determine. So yes, it means your God has supposedly "directed" our lives.
As for Satan being responsible for the VT tragedy, Isaiah 45:7 reads, "I form the light and create darkness, I make weal AND CREATE WOE; I the Lord do all these things.
Keith, msg sent
John Coffey

United States

#669 Apr 26, 2007
Keith Olbermann wrote:
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The word "ordained" means to prescribe or determine. So yes, it means your God has supposedly "directed" our lives.
As for Satan being responsible for the VT tragedy, Isaiah 45:7 reads, "I form the light and create darkness, I make weal AND CREATE WOE; I the Lord do all these things.
II corinthians 4:3-4... 3: but if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4: in whom the god fo this world hath blinded the minds of then which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of christ, who is the image of god, should shine unto them.
Willybgood

Minneapolis, MN

#670 Apr 26, 2007
Keith Olbermann wrote:
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The word "ordained" means to prescribe or determine. So yes, it means your God has supposedly "directed" our lives.
As for Satan being responsible for the VT tragedy, Isaiah 45:7 reads, "I form the light and create darkness, I make weal AND CREATE WOE; I the Lord do all these things.
Keith lets take the quote from King David. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. First of all it is King David speaking, not God, I refer back to my previous statement that it means just that he would live, and not how he lived. What this would then mean that the word ordain didn't come from Gods mouth, it came from David's. This would then imply that God did not ordain or say he would ordain anyones life. I believe that at the time when David said that, God knew you and I would be living in the good ole USA and talking about this very subject. But he did not ordain it.
Willybgood

Minneapolis, MN

#671 Apr 26, 2007
my left foot wrote:
<quoted text>If that is so that we are either or then why continue harrassing non-blievers , trying to get them to believe in ghosts essentially . If you know your chosen . Let's try using common sense for awhile
MLF, Sorry I didn't know I was harrassing you.

Since: Apr 07

Parker, CO

#672 Apr 26, 2007
The bible is a good book. I've read it several times. I don't understand it. But it's a good book that will keep christians going for a long time. Where they're going is questionable. Where I'm there is no doubt...worm dirt.

IRAQ...Level it or Leave it.
Don't feed the aliens.

Since: Apr 07

United States

#673 Apr 26, 2007
I think that were defeating the purpose of these boards if we are coming in here and taking our sides and defending them to the hilt without learning a thing . Not only do we do ourselves a disservice but we also waste time . It is obvious I'm a non-believer . I simply don't believe in ghosts, gods or spirits and since I was able to make a decision I haven't cause it makes little sense . It isn't consistant with reality and doesn't cater to my sense of reason and logic and I'm an old guy so if I haven't achieved that milestone by now it's unlikely I everwill . I am simply disliked in religious circles because I am outspoken and have lots of material to support my disbelief in supernatural hocus pocus . So from the jump with me there is no god . That is where I believe everyone should start especially christians . The more I've look at christianity's history the more I realize what an evil people they are collectively . As much as they like to show their persecution they have administered persecution times two . Any young person who reads this and is thinking about joining christianity as a belief system please do yourself a favor and research there historical past . You owe yourself that much. Start with the current PBS series on the bible and copy the important names and read, read , read . Also pick up a book at the library by Dr. Buck Ehrman , it's entitled "Misquoting Jesus " It was on the Times best seller list for 22 weeks . There is some really interesting subject matter there . Don't take anything for granted because your pastor/preacher says its so , keep his hands to the fire and always check him out . He may be telling the truth but it doesnt hurt to count your change when your leaving the store , capice'
Mkll

Rockford, IL

#674 Apr 26, 2007
Charlie 72 wrote:
Commandment Jewish Orthodox Catholic / Lutheran* Protestant (except Lutheran),
I am the Lord your God
You shall have no other gods before me
You shall not make yourself an idol
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Honor your parents
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness
You shall not covet your neighbours wife
You shall not covet your neighbor's house
"You shall not covet your neighbor's house(goods)". So much for the free market system!
Willybgood

Minneapolis, MN

#675 Apr 26, 2007
Keith Olbermann wrote:
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As for Satan being responsible for the VT tragedy, Isaiah 45:7 reads, "I form the light and create darkness, I make weal AND CREATE WOE; I the Lord do all these things.
Keith, I don't know what the quote is in reference to (I don't have a bible in front of me, and some people think I should have a frontal labotomy). God may just be saying he is all powerful. I don't know at the moment, but will look it up. But that statement alone does not mean the devil has no influence. The lord allows these things to happen but certainly does not ordain them.
Mkll

Rockford, IL

#676 Apr 26, 2007
Raul wrote:
<quoted text>That's exactly what I'm saying.
I have a problem with the (god)message. Take for example Andrea Yates, a history of mental illness and very religious. She was heard saying that her god told her to drown her FIVE kids. How about Susan Smith? Drowned her kids and told authorities she was car-jacked by a black man. During the press interview, her pastor was standing next to her for spiritual support. Timothy McVeigh, a Christian! The Columbine shooters families said in the press that they will be praying for the families of the dead students. The abortion clinics that are bombed are done so by who? Pro-life Christians. Oh yeah! They also murder the doctors too. So you see, it is the message that is flawed. And the message is, there is this man in the sky that we all have to bow down to and do his petty bidding so I can go someplace nice when I finally kick. All religions are nothing but superstition and myth. The real world and universe is much more interesting that these centuries old fables and fairytales.
Mkll

Rockford, IL

#677 Apr 26, 2007
Oh yeah! I was hoping to be number 666. What do I win?

“The real Rated R Superstar”

Since: Feb 07

Union City NJ

#678 Apr 26, 2007
John Coffey wrote:
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free will... god gave us free will... free will to sin or not... we all sin... god hates sin... so if he took away our free will and if we sin than he stops it... nobody would be here... but he did give us free will... man brought it on himself when he sined and gained his free will... so to blame god for what man did by his free will makes no sense... now if you don't believe that god gave man free will.. than i can see where you think god is to blame... but we have free will... if you don't believe in god... than why are you evan saying what you are... see you only think of god when something bad happens... than rather than take responabilty for your actions you can just blame god... that may make sense to you to do that but not me... see you sit there and say... god let it happen... do you ever thank god for the good things that happen... like lets say you get a raise or a better job... do you say god let that happen or do you say i worked hard for that and earned it.. i would bet god never crosses your mind when something good happens... because you don't believe in god... but when bad things happen you sure are quick to point your finger at god... a god you say doesn't exist...
LOL You're right I don't believe in fairy tales. I don't point the finger at god cause he doesn't exist.I was merely setting an example for you.

Since: Apr 07

United States

#679 Apr 26, 2007
The reason we don't want the commandments posted on a government building is mainly because only 5 of them pertain to us the rest are solely for christians . We don't believe in a god to begin with so the first 5 don't fit with the way we see things and we live here too and besides it brainwashes kids into believing fairy tales and ghosts and gods exist when it's clear they don't

“The real Rated R Superstar”

Since: Feb 07

Union City NJ

#680 Apr 26, 2007
Dan wrote:
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Raul, in all repsect my friend your anger is getting in the way of your reason. You seem to come alive when you insult people. God is not to blame for what men do with their free will. And he is not responsble for stopping even you from launching such bitter attacks against Him and those who belive in Him. If He stopped all evil before it happened, you would then accuse him of manipulation. He is JUST though. Hell is justice. You yourself would demand justice when you are wronged. Why is God evil for doing the same? He offers salvation and peace to anyone who asks for it. If they don't ask, they are on their own. Even you have to admit that is how any man would want it. If you yourself want it all you have to do is ask. Then all these things you revile will make perfect sense.
Did I say god is evil? I don't think so. bitter attacks? I have not attacked anyone I'm just saying if god is so powerful he would've stopped that tragedy. If he stopped all evil before it happened I would probably start believing in him. That is if he existed at all. As for my anger I don't get bent out of shape so easily. I have no anger towards anyone unless they attack me. As for hell, that is another fairy tale. A guy in red with a pitchfork who dwells underground having an eternal barbecue with souls of sinners. Now that's laughable at best. Christians created the devil to scare people into believing fairy tales.
John Coffey

United States

#681 Apr 26, 2007
Raul wrote:
<quoted text> LOL You're right I don't believe in fairy tales. I don't point the finger at god cause he doesn't exist.I was merely setting an example for you.
you should laugh... i know i am... you setting an example for anyone is the funniest thing i've heard all day...

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