Connecticut shooting - Issues

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

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#27 Dec 20, 2012
Somali Pirate wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait, wait, wait..... Shooters are cowards who won't go near people with guns?????? So if you have a gun and shoot you are a coward?
So why are you fighting for guns if using it makes you a coward? I am so confused, are you for guns Wild West style?
If your position is guns do more good than harm, and 10,000 or more people were killed by guns last year, show me 10,001 cases where guns prevented death.
Did you completely miss post 19? Plus, it’s just common sense. They don’t go after people with guns, they go where they know people have NO guns.

1. Problem: mentally ill people.
Cause: bad parenting, the idiot masses who live in a fantasyland where they can be evil toward others and not pay the price in many ways throughout their lives.
Solution: stop the bullying, abuse, ridicule, etc. The American people have to stop being A*holes all their lives. This is a violent country because it’s a country where bullying is everywhere, at home, in schools, in business, in government, and it all creates a lot of angry people who can’t fight back.

2. Problem: angry / ill people with assault weapons.
Cause: the NRA and Republicans fight for this criminal insanity.
Solution: Force Congress to make them illegal because if they get their way, they’ll ban all guns. No? Guess again, because they’ve been violating our Constitutional rights for decades. Never heard of the Patriot Act, NDAA, etc.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

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#28 Dec 20, 2012
How can anyone possibly talk about the recent mass murder in CT and not mention the fact that the fathers of both the Aurora shooter, and the Sandy Hook shooter were set to testify in the Senate about the LIBOR trillion dollar bank scandal.
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Were these shootings a message to the fathers of the alleged shooters not to testify against men who control trillions of dollars?
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Robert Holmes is a "fraud scientist" at FICO. Peter Lanza is the tax director for GE who paid "0" in taxes on 14.2 B in profits last year.
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This kind of money will certainly buy you a nice mass murder as a signal to shut up or else, as well as more political focus on gun control.

Deception is the most powerful political force on the planet.

The sheeple are certainly being deceived these days.
vegan

Goodman, MO

#29 Dec 20, 2012
Everyone has a personal dislike that they isolating to blame for the shootings for polictical gain. The shooter liked video games, video games caused the shootings, the shooter liked goth, goth caused the problem, the shooter did not attend church, the absence of God caused the shootings. The shooter had physical birth difficulties. Physical disadvantages caused the shootings. Although the young man never used drugs, drugs caused the problem, his mother threatened to have her son institutionalised, although he committed no crime at that time it created a bigger problem,, he was an adult, there would have been required due process of law before his rights could be denied him, she may haver not had told him this thinking he was weak and stupid, she could only have had an adult removed from her home not denied his rights, and he had been fighting with his mother and her associate teacher's at the school, and you may never know what they said to him.

He felt threatened.
He felt Abandoned.

Anyone when extremly angry can kill when they feel nothing is left. You, his mom, his dad, the teachers, or anyone in the world.

Our U.S. military has killed millions and millions of people in wars over seas in the middle east in recent times under the reason of justifiable homicide.

It's the culture we live in, kill you enemies before they kill you.

Especially if it's the government coming for your guns.

And kill animals even if they feel pain. Because they are lower.

vegan

Goodman, MO

#30 Dec 20, 2012
independent ticket wrote:
<quoted text>democrats ARE anti-american. they prove it every day. they want to destroy this nation, with their hatred against the christian. conservative christians are the number one people the liberal democrats wants to destroy, because this nation was founded on god, and they hate that worse than anything. the screaming that is going on worldwide has nothing to do with the truth. its the viruses that washington dc has programmed their computers to do.
with their computers the obama administration is creating an illusion of outraged peeps who want to do away with guns, and its only washington computer virus bots doing it.
half of these 'people' on topix that are expressing outrage is obama troll bots, harvesting anti-gun responses.
these trolls that we are replying to are not even real.
Like many people I understand what you're saying, except it's not completely historically accurate.

The country was founded on civil law, and liberties. Christians only believe in liberties in Christ, but this liberty in Christ is not what we are talking about with the United States.
Freedoms and liberties are choices done indepenently of religous authority or government.

Allow me to give you a link and some quotes.

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches

James Madison The fourth president of the United States and lone author of The Bill Of Rights

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." - to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814

Thomas Jefferson The third president of the United States

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
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Thomas Paine the "Leader of the American Revolution."

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."

John Adams The second president of the United States

"The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession."
-Spoken by Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Joseph Lewis

Abraham Lincoln

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers...
vegan

Goodman, MO

#31 Dec 20, 2012
Can anyone honestly watch this video and tell me exactly what is wrong with American culture.

"Sadly, the majority of calves raised for veal in the United States are confined for their entire 18 to 20-week lives. The covert footage was recorded at Buckeye Veal Farm in Apple Creek, Ohio, and reveals baby calves chained inside 2-feet wide wooden stalls – so narrow they cannot turn around, walk, run, play, socialize with other animals"

http://www.mercyforanimals.org/veal/

It has nothing to do with God or the Bible , because this is not allowed like hunting according to Biblical dietary law.

Together We Stand

Tucker, GA

#32 Dec 20, 2012
Why Gun Control Is Bull

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“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#33 Dec 20, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
How can anyone possibly talk about the recent mass murder in CT and not mention the fact that the fathers of both the Aurora shooter, and the Sandy Hook shooter were set to testify in the Senate about the LIBOR trillion dollar bank scandal.
.
Were these shootings a message to the fathers of the alleged shooters not to testify against men who control trillions of dollars?
.
Robert Holmes is a "fraud scientist" at FICO. Peter Lanza is the tax director for GE who paid "0" in taxes on 14.2 B in profits last year.
.
This kind of money will certainly buy you a nice mass murder as a signal to shut up or else, as well as more political focus on gun control.
Deception is the most powerful political force on the planet.
The sheeple are certainly being deceived these days.
Wow! I don’t doubt that there could be something to this, but do you have links?

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#34 Dec 20, 2012
vegan wrote:
Everyone has a personal dislike that they isolating to blame for the shootings for polictical gain. The shooter liked video games, video games caused the shootings, the shooter liked goth, goth caused the problem, the shooter did not attend church, the absence of God caused the shootings. The shooter had physical birth difficulties. Physical disadvantages caused the shootings. Although the young man never used drugs, drugs caused the problem, his mother threatened to have her son institutionalised, although he committed no crime at that time it created a bigger problem,, he was an adult, there would have been required due process of law before his rights could be denied him, she may haver not had told him this thinking he was weak and stupid, she could only have had an adult removed from her home not denied his rights, and he had been fighting with his mother and her associate teacher's at the school, and you may never know what they said to him.
He felt threatened.
He felt Abandoned.
Anyone when extremly angry can kill when they feel nothing is left. You, his mom, his dad, the teachers, or anyone in the world.
Our U.S. military has killed millions and millions of people in wars over seas in the middle east in recent times under the reason of justifiable homicide.
It's the culture we live in, kill you enemies before they kill you.
Especially if it's the government coming for your guns.
And kill animals even if they feel pain. Because they are lower.
I think there are lots of problems in raising kids today, but I think kids can survive almost anything, unless if they’re alienated by parents / peers. That’s something none of us are programmed to tolerate and still turn out mentally healthy. In the U.S. most adults do exactly what they’re told rather than risk being disliked by others, no matter what the consequences.

I think he felt that something pretty horrible happened to him in the first grade. Where were both parents, the community, and the teachers? If it’s such a great community, did he feel even more hated because everybody ignored him? If a human being is taught, not just once, but every day of his life, that he’s different, and not worth saving, then what did people expect the outcome to be? That he’d magically cure himself?

Village idiots jump on these people, letting their emotions do the thinking for them. This is not about passing judgment, since the shooter will be judged worse than any of us ever could. No, it’s about looking at the situation intelligently, and trying to prevent it from happening in the future. It’s also about just telling little first graders that they’re not something we throw in the trash because they’re not worth saving.
It’s about the American people acting like human beings toward children so they can grow up mentally healthy.
It’s about fighting Conservatives who are determined to continue supporting the New World Order treason, destroying our economy. If we don’t, the survival of all of America’s children will be threatened.

Defend the Constitution, and our sovereignty, against the Republican New World Order.
Protest to ‘End the Fed’.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#35 Dec 22, 2012
Protester wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow! I don’t doubt that there could be something to this, but do you have links?
search on libor

take your pick

https://startpage.com/do/search...

https://startpage.com/do/search...

fabian4liberty.com

www.beforeitsnews.com/ economics-and-politics/ 2012/ 12/ 2-mass-shootings-connected-to- libor-2447738.html

There are also sites that say its not true that these men were to testify before the Senate about LIBOR. But they WERE these shooters fathers and they DID work for FICO and GE in some capacity

Peace

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#36 Dec 22, 2012
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/12/17/the...

Pro and con

Investigate decide for yourself
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#37 Dec 23, 2012
Too many question and alot of facts slow in coming. The story has seem contrived or manipulated since day one.

Many questions.

-Was child killer Adam on physciatric medication or not? The Fanapt story changed.

-Were the guns from a "locked" case described as "secure" with in the last week? Were there signs that case was forcibly opened?

-Why the 22 rifle to kill his mom-only gun not locked up?

-Was there a second shooter? The man being chased in the woods?

-Why the rush to arrest brother Ryan Lanza? His ID found at the scene?

-Was child killer Adam Lanza wearing a mask or not?

-How did an anorexic looking kid(could see his eye sockets in one photo) be able to supposedly wear tactic gear, carry 2 handguns and ammo along with th Bushmaster and still function? The military and swats train for months in gear to become comfortable and efficient.

-How did an alledged introvert so troubled his mom didn't want people to let him out of sight learn to drive, drive alone and even shop for rifles on his own?

-What was this alledged argument at the school the day before? Again an alledged introvert drives to this school to confront other people???

-What business does a 20 year old male have at an elememtry school while his volunteer mom was away on a trip???

The argument is what leads me to think there is a second shooter with something being covered up. I'm wondering if there was somekind of child porn/pedophile ring and/or a possible affair with child killer Adam Lanza. It wouldn't be the first time a teacher would be caught dating a boy 1/2 her age.

The argument leads one to wonder why the computer was "smashed". Which is another problem. Some say he gouged it with a screw driver while other reports say smashed to pieces. But what was on that hard drive. Don't alot of these wack jobs want to leave a manifesto of somekind?

When I saw the coroner being extremely carefull as to what he said during the first press conference I could tell this was being a very controlled story. It could be to spare the families some anguish but it also could be to control and/or manipulate the story.

There are many more questions and if any finds an answer and source please post.
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#38 Dec 23, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
search on libor
take your pick
https://startpage.com/do/search...
https://startpage.com/do/search...
fabian4liberty.com
www.beforeitsnews.com/ economics-and-politics/ 2012/ 12/ 2-mass-shootings-connected-to- libor-2447738.html
There are also sites that say its not true that these men were to testify before the Senate about LIBOR. But they WERE these shooters fathers and they DID work for FICO and GE in some capacity
Peace
Wasn't GE one of biggest donators to the presidential election campaign?
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#40 Dec 24, 2012
How parochial.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_c...
Reality Check wrote:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki /Bath_School_disaster
Biggest school massacre in history. No guns.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#41 Dec 24, 2012
Non sequitur.

Crime has also been on the decline in Western Europe over the same period.

Doesn't look like increased gun ownership is responsible for the reduction in crime.
Protester wrote:
FBI Crime Stats Show an Armed Public Is a Safer Public
Data from the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation show that America has been on a firearms buying spree since the end of 2005. Meanwhile, the FBI recently released preliminary 2009 crime data indicating that violent crime has been dropping at an accelerating rate since the end of 2006.
The FBI reports the number of background checks, by month, requested for potential firearms purchases through licensed dealers. When a prospective buyer wants to buy a gun, he fills out a form which the dealer submits to law enforcement. If approved, the sale proceeds. This system is called the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS for short.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/fbi-crime-stats-show-...
More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws
States with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes.
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/49...
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#42 Dec 24, 2012
Somali Pirate wrote:
<quoted text>
Ugh.
I'm all for a good conspiracy theory, but you are a retard.
Do you have answers to any of those questions? It's a dribble of information right now. If you want take everything that's spoon fed to the public by the authorities and main stream media fine.

If there is no conspiracy fine. The best time to pay attention to history/news is as it's happening because when it's fresh it's not as edited or contrived.

You have to learn to question things for yourself and not rely on a mainstream media to get information that they have a limited amount of time and interest to cover.
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#43 Dec 24, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Non sequitur.
Crime has also been on the decline in Western Europe over the same period.
Doesn't look like increased gun ownership is responsible for the reduction in crime.
<quoted text>
Many of the countries that compose western Europe are a fraction of the size of the US. Some aren't even as big as one the 50 states here. Also there are countries where being a junky or intoxicating drug user is legal. Here the use of intoxicating substances is ILLEGAL. Drugs crimes from users/possessors to drug dealers accounts for a large chunk of the crime in the US. Can't compare the US to a bunch of island sized countries. Apples and Oranges.
NOTthechildren

Pottstown, PA

#46 Dec 24, 2012
Somali Pirate wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a singe one of your conjectures require an answer. Every last one seem to be news reporters quoting every scrap of info they receive as fact.
Over time and as an investigation wraps up you will receive more concrete evidence. But to point out every little discrepancies in the middle of a tragedy of that magnitude is assinine.
The biggest part of a conspiracy theory is the why, you skip right over that part. 1 bull shite line about child porn on school computers.
Are you on SSI for paranoia or some other issues?
Your right not one of my "conjectures" "require" an answer but should be answered as soon as possible for credibility. Most conspiracies do require a why. There's speculation from medications like fanapt to his mom wanted to institutionalize a guy that apparently could be left alone for several days at a time to driving. No concrete why yet. This is exactly why we have conjecture.

All the authorities have to do is say things like 'no comment','not at this time','pending investigation' etc. You shouldn't wait for or rely on mainstream top 40 media to spoon feed you a story that will satisfy your appetitie. You have to do research on your own if you want the actual story-this goes for ANY story/topic.

Got some dribble on your chin.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#47 Dec 24, 2012
Can compare murders, though. Populations are rather larger than the US too, so it's a significant comparison.

Unless you think there's something deeply wrong about the US.
NOTthechildren wrote:
<quoted text>
Many of the countries that compose western Europe are a fraction of the size of the US. Some aren't even as big as one the 50 states here. Also there are countries where being a junky or intoxicating drug user is legal. Here the use of intoxicating substances is ILLEGAL. Drugs crimes from users/possessors to drug dealers accounts for a large chunk of the crime in the US. Can't compare the US to a bunch of island sized countries. Apples and Oranges.
Anonymous

Greenbrier, AR

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“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#49 Dec 26, 2012
NOTthechildren wrote:
Too many question and alot of facts slow in coming. The story has seem contrived or manipulated since day one.
Many questions.
-Was child killer Adam on physciatric medication or not? The Fanapt story changed.
-Were the guns from a "locked" case described as "secure" with in the last week? Were there signs that case was forcibly opened?
-Why the 22 rifle to kill his mom-only gun not locked up?
-Was there a second shooter? The man being chased in the woods?
-Why the rush to arrest brother Ryan Lanza? His ID found at the scene?
-Was child killer Adam Lanza wearing a mask or not?
-How did an anorexic looking kid(could see his eye sockets in one photo) be able to supposedly wear tactic gear, carry 2 handguns and ammo along with th Bushmaster and still function? The military and swats train for months in gear to become comfortable and efficient.
-How did an alledged introvert so troubled his mom didn't want people to let him out of sight learn to drive, drive alone and even shop for rifles on his own?
-What was this alledged argument at the school the day before? Again an alledged introvert drives to this school to confront other people???
-What business does a 20 year old male have at an elememtry school while his volunteer mom was away on a trip???
The argument is what leads me to think there is a second shooter with something being covered up. I'm wondering if there was somekind of child porn/pedophile ring and/or a possible affair with child killer Adam Lanza. It wouldn't be the first time a teacher would be caught dating a boy 1/2 her age.
The argument leads one to wonder why the computer was "smashed". Which is another problem. Some say he gouged it with a screw driver while other reports say smashed to pieces. But what was on that hard drive. Don't alot of these wack jobs want to leave a manifesto of somekind?
When I saw the coroner being extremely carefull as to what he said during the first press conference I could tell this was being a very controlled story. It could be to spare the families some anguish but it also could be to control and/or manipulate the story.
There are many more questions and if any finds an answer and source please post.
What's the point in most of those questions? It doesn't change the fact that we can't control other people in their homes, etc.
We need to arm ourselves and prevent anybody from having assault weapons.
I think his mother was an idiot to ignore his mental illness for decades, and teach him that weapons are the answer.

The rest of the questions show police abuse against the shooter's family, especially by handcuffing the brother for no reason -- that was sick, and I think he should sue because it will haunt him for the rest of his life. If something isn't done about these kinds of incidents, we're all in danger of being treated just as badly some day.
What did most people do when peaceful protesters tried to expose the treason of the Rothschilds' Federal Reserve Corporation? Not a dam thing. It was so obvious that bad cops were worried that something was being said that exposed criminal activity by the rich and powerful, yet the idiot masses ignored it. So, expect to see the day when you won't be able to protest about anything. What goes around, comes around.

The most important lesson here is one that is several thousand years old. If you abuse kids, it will come back on you. What goes around, comes around. You can't get goodness when you refuse to deal with evil.

I believe something happened to that shooter when he was in the first grade and nobody cared enough about him to treat him like a human being. Where were the teachers, and the community, then?

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