Are we living in The End Times???

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#358 Jan 27, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Sharkie??? Where are you?.... Come back and fight like a man!!!(peaking around the corner, Sword ever so high...)Lol Jk..
I want you to join my side... Try it, you might like it!
There is always someone coming along, who wants what you have. Utopia can't be found here.

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

Khitan extraordinaire

#359 Jan 27, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Everything the Lord said would be happening before His retrun are happening each and every day.
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Just keepin' it REAL.
And again...
Senecus wrote:
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Right, "Newspaper Eschatology". I'd venture to say ol''Rufus', everything you think you know about 'endtimes' is parroted from others - no personal study involved.
Have a great night, Rufus...
;)
Just keepin' it REALLY real;)

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

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#360 Jan 27, 2013
Senecus wrote:
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And again...
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Just keepin' it REALLY real;)
Good Evening Senecus...:)

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

Khitan extraordinaire

#361 Jan 27, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Good Evening Senecus...:)
Hello SL,

Received the Tmails, thank you for your answer. I will respond in kind.

Was wondering if you could share as I queried in a previous post, your background as a believer, if growing up one (saved in youth) or became one later in life; and theological leaning. It helps formulate responses in such a discussion. I will reciprocate in kind if desired:)

Use Tmail if you don't want to "air it for the masses".

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

Khitan extraordinaire

#362 Jan 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>What happened to our free will, then?
Everything that is happening is a result of our own choices.
We are CHOOSING to go to war with ourselves, CHOOSING the self-extinction route.
We are CHOOSING to "wait for the Lord's return". Instead of making more heavens on earth like we do the beaches of Hawaii with a drink and a hot mate by your side, we are making a hell for oursselves fighting each other over silly differences.
And all becuase "a book told us we were going to?" What are we humans under a spell so that these things HAVE to happen no matter what we do? Are we programmed for an Armegeddon? Where's the Armegeddon chip embedded?
Really, we humans have got to stop BULLSH!TTING ourselves into extinction with this Armegeddon agenda. We need to stop having a death wish, stop wanting to commit the biggest mass murder-suicide in the history of the universe.
STOP INSTIGATING ARMEGEDDON!
Hello Sharkey, pleasure,

I understand where you're coming from and your angst, those that would set in motion events for a 'self-fulfilling prophecy'. I write this as a believer, to the chagrin of some of the brethren. It's a problem with a 'futurist' eschatological model. Some of it stems from a poor understanding of apocalyptic language ,particularly of Jesus and that of John(Revelation). Audience relevance needs to be consider, as well as proper genre- which context oftentimes dictates. Also key is an understanding of the culture,times and language.

The echatological model quite prevalent in evangelical circles today is "Dispensationalism", an outgrowth of 'Darbyism'(originator John Nelson Darby),and is quite recent on the historical scale, coming on the scene in the mid 1800s. It's a "Futurist" view, in that believers are waiting a return of Christ at a 'future' date. There is variation as to timing of a "rapture" and what or 'who' an "anti-Christ" is, so the constant is the future return and debate rages in some circles concerning the other 'events'. Much has been written on the subject, so much so that many well meaning believers parrot by rote the subject matter, never giving thought to critical analysis of the material learned. But,I decided to embark on it one day, after years of accepting some "minor inconsistency" in the current model. So ,I no longer adhere to a futurist model,with reason. I'll allow you to respond and we can then go further ,if you'd like:)

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#363 Jan 28, 2013
Jenifer8 wrote:
<quoted text>No. The new millenium turned out to be nothing to worry about, as did the ancient Mayan phrophecies. I do wonder why North Korea is hell-bent on building a nuclear bomb though.
Lol...

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

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#364 Jan 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Sharkie??? Where are you?.... Come back and fight like a man!!!(peaking around the corner, Sword ever so high...)Lol Jk..
I want you to join my side... Try it, you might like it!
SHARKIE!!! Where are you? God said we have an opening!:) SL

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#365 Jan 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>SHARKIE!!! Where are you? God said we have an opening!:) SL
Lol...

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

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#366 Jan 28, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Lol...
Your family okay girl?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#367 Jan 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>Your family okay girl?
Yep. We're ok. Thank you <3

“Cleaning Up Christianity ”

Since: Jan 13

Topix Badlands

#368 Jan 28, 2013
Senecus wrote:
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Hello SL,
Received the Tmails, thank you for your answer. I will respond in kind.
Was wondering if you could share as I queried in a previous post, your background as a believer, if growing up one (saved in youth) or became one later in life; and theological leaning. It helps formulate responses in such a discussion. I will reciprocate in kind if desired:)
Use Tmail if you don't want to "air it for the masses".
You never responded to my last post. I tried to post on WINLAC but find it quite hostile and unproductive. Because of recent events I was looking for an outlet to post with others in peace or fair debate. I can find no such thing here so I return to my solitude. Thanks though. Whatever happened to the body of Christ?



Few hands reach this way. God bless.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

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#369 Jan 28, 2013
Janitor Of The LORD wrote:
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You never responded to my last post. I tried to post on WINLAC but find it quite hostile and unproductive. Because of recent events I was looking for an outlet to post with others in peace or fair debate. I can find no such thing here so I return to my solitude. Thanks though. Whatever happened to the body of Christ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Ki-Jc_DoC1gXX
Few hands reach this way. God bless.
Hi, How are you today... I been really busy today... Yes, That's a hard thread! Things going better today?

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

Khitan extraordinaire

#370 Jan 28, 2013
Janitor Of The LORD wrote:
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You never responded to my last post. I tried to post on WINLAC but find it quite hostile and unproductive. Because of recent events I was looking for an outlet to post with others in peace or fair debate. I can find no such thing here so I return to my solitude. Thanks though. Whatever happened to the body of Christ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Ki-Jc_DoC1gXX
Few hands reach this way. God bless.
Hello Janitor,

Sorry if I missed a post , I follow a few threads and at times mark post links to get back to later. May have missed one...

Yeah ,WINLAC can be a "Take no prisoners" type of thread. Many on Topix are,place can be a free-for-all- like a barroom brawl.

I clued you in to WINLAC so you could "clean up misbehaving" believers, seems like when you came some went on hiatus. See you met 'Clownie', he's a well meaning fellow but can get quite raw sometimes.

You might want to try the 'Religion' forum and threads there, not as fast moving as those in 'Top Stories' but more civil.

Be blest...
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#371 Jan 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
Sharkie wrote...
I'm so sorry that people have told you these lies!
Ans- But what if I don't see them as lies. Are you going to hate me?
What we humans need to give up on is the illusion that we have to suffer in this life, that problems are inevitable, and that there is nothing we can do about it.
Ans- I don't suffer in this life. I am saddened by things, but 'all'things have been defeated by our God. We can pray about it. Have you ever prayed Sharkie?
This attitude is defeatist and is what is causing the human race to basically give up and make itself extinct.
Ans- I haven't given up though. Evil/lies has caused most of the human race to give up.
"We'll never be perfect/good anyway in this world, so we should wait until we die."
Ans- You're right, we're not perfect, but I do have a good life already. A better one awaits though. I have had but a glimps of God's 'Love'. It's not like any emotional, or physical love we have on earth. It's mind boggling.
softly)There is no turning back for me Sharkie, sorry
And that's exactly what we're doing with your "Word": killing our own spirit with our own weapon
ourselves.
Ans- No Sharlie, the enemy's lies...
Your "Armegeddon" is the PLANNED mass murder-suicide of the human race, DELIBERATE human self-extinction.
Ans- It's God's Armegeddon. What non-believer's do not see, is that this 'IS' God's world, not ours.. He is our 'Heavenly' father, and we are his children...He may do what ever he chooses at any time. In the old testament God litteraly spoke to people, and he was still mocked. In the new testament, Jesus was tangible, yet again, few believed. Now the only way to get into 'Heaven' is by 'Faith'. God is angry.
We CAN seek perfection in this world. We create it every day. Perfectly clear glass. Perfectly straight lines. We have the technology and it's advancing every day to create the perfect world.
Ans- We can seek perfection here, and there is nothing wrong with that, but you will not find it. We have wonderful technology, but the 'Evil' in some of mankind chooses to destroy our world, for whatever purpose or reason they choose, ie; money, fame, power, religion.
We solve problems every day, and there are more we can solve.
Ans- Absolutely we do, and still can!
That's why we need to throw out that old, negative, defeatist bible and other such weapons of human self-extinction and write ourselves into a better, more peaceful future with
Ans- The problem is not replacing the old one. It's fixing the new one. The new-age thinking is about disposable everything, and I'm not sure that's working.. I Do Know This Will Work Though...
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Is this really that hard to comprehend, or do???
Sweet Sharkie, To me, God is flawless. Evil created this mess.
You can always join me?:)
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"God's Armegeddon"?
What happened to our free will?
According to your beliefs, we are just programmed by this god to self-extinct, and there is nothing we can do about it.
The two concepts of your "god being in control" and "free will" are mutually exclusive. They cannot both exist at the same time. They cancel each other out.
Your bible is ripping the human race apart. It's time to throw it out and replace it with THE NEW 21ST CENTURY TESTAMENT OF HUMANKIND.
There is no Armegeddon in that book, no self-extinction, no "angry god".
Just humans being there for each other, helping each other out, being peaceful with each other on the one and only world we have.
Besides, anger is evil. If your "god" is angry, he is showing his own inherent evil. The truth about your biblical god is that it contains its own evil, then instead of owning up to it and nipping it in the bud, projects it onto a scapegoat he calls "satan".
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#372 Jan 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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I live by the sword, I will die by the sword. Your new world you speak of sounds wonderful. What happens when your neighbor is jealous of what you have? Do you think that will stop jealousy, hatred, envy, gossip, murderers, thieves etc... Unless everything is the same across the board, you will have all of these mentioned above... Socialism doesn't work.
ps. No one can ever touch the the 'Mighty Power of my Sword'. Some have tried. All have failed.
Sharkie, I am not trying to change you, why are you trying to change me? If you truly believe you can change the world (I applaud you) then please try. You don't need me. I am just a messenger from God, a no-body, sent in the last days to answer questions that some might be seeking.... I've been chosen, because I listen for his voice....
"I live by the sword, I will die by the sword. Your new world you speak of sounds wonderful. What happens when your neighbor is jealous of what you have? Do you think that will stop jealousy, hatred, envy, gossip, murderers, thieves etc... Unless everything is the same across the board, you will have all of these mentioned above... Socialism doesn't work."
"Socialism doesn't work" but somehow you are waiting for "Jesus to come back" to fix all these problems? You're doing the same thing you claim "the socialists" are doing - waiting for some mythical person "to return" and "fix all the problems" FOR you. "Oh, when Jesus comes back..." Same difference.
Well, in case you haven't noticed, once people are killed, they never come back.
Dead forever means dead forever, so you are already seriously deluded for believing the HUGE LIE that a person that has been dead for thousands of years is just going to come alive again, back from the dead and like magic, make the world perfectly Christian!
You are also really self-centered to believe that you're some "messenger from god". You are deluding yourself, pumping up your ego with a bunch of total BS.
Changing into an evolved human being that can think for yourself instead of being bamboozled by this Armegeddon-instigating dogma would be good for you. You NEED to change. Change so you and your children and their children can have a world to live in. Stop helping the world end for some "Christians-only world" pipe dream fantasy.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#373 Jan 28, 2013
Senecus wrote:
<quoted text>Hello Janitor,

Sorry if I missed a post , I follow a few threads and at times mark post links to get back to later. May have missed one...

Yeah ,WINLAC can be a "Take no prisoners" type of thread. Many on Topix are,place can be a free-for-all- like a barroom brawl.

I clued you in to WINLAC so you could "clean up misbehaving" believers, seems like when you came some went on hiatus. See you met 'Clownie', he's a well meaning fellow but can get quite raw sometimes.

You might want to try the 'Religion' forum and threads there, not as fast moving as those in 'Top Stories' but more civil.

Be blest...
The Christian forum threads are worse. At least in WINLAC most have a few brain cells to rub together. Hi Senecus my Brother :) how goes it with you?
<3
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#374 Jan 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>
Sharkie??? Where are you?.... Come back and fight like a man!!!(peaking around the corner, Sword ever so high...)Lol Jk..
I want you to join my side... Try it, you might like it!
Fight? To make the whole human race extinct?
Nah, I'd rather let the world have a future.
No thanks, I do not want to join your wacky band of Armegeddon instigators.
I think you should join MY side - the side that DOES NOT want to participate in the mass-murder suicide of the entire human race.
Try it - you might like having a future!
Even your bible does say something about how swords will be turned into plowshares! How there will be thoughts of war no more, no more death or sickness, no more hate and war.
Did you forget what the purpose of the "end times" were? What is supposed to happen AFTER the armegeddon?
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#375 Jan 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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There is always someone coming along, who wants what you have. Utopia can't be found here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =G4YOqKz8zvkXX
See how twisted you are?
You're so used to fighting you're even fighting with yourself. You and countless other humans are participating in a fight to human extinction. It's time to stop, calm down, switch to decaf, and scrap this Armegeddon talk.
Participate in THE NEW 21ST CENTURY TESTAMENT OF MANKIND.
"Utopia can't be found here". Sure it can, on any beach in Havaii with a pretty drink and a hot mate (or two) in a bikini by your side.
Anyone that wants what you have - is that really YOUR problem??
Humans need to TRY Utopia. We need to keep trying instead of giving up and saying "Oh, well, we'll never find Utopia, so we might as well kill ourselves."
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#376 Jan 28, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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SHARKIE!!! Where are you? God said we have an opening!:) SL
I was busy living life instead of waiting with bated breath for the human race to make itself extinct only because a book said we were going to like you were.
You really ought to take another look at the world and start doing things to make it better, instead of letting a book tell you what to do.
You are an adult and can think for yourself, right, or are you just a robot programmed by your god?
What happened to your free will? Are you under a voodoo spell? You just can't help it?
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#377 Jan 28, 2013
Senecus wrote:
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Hello Sharkey, pleasure,
I understand where you're coming from and your angst, those that would set in motion events for a 'self-fulfilling prophecy'. I write this as a believer, to the chagrin of some of the brethren. It's a problem with a 'futurist' eschatological model. Some of it stems from a poor understanding of apocalyptic language ,particularly of Jesus and that of John(Revelation). Audience relevance needs to be consider, as well as proper genre- which context oftentimes dictates. Also key is an understanding of the culture,times and language.
The echatological model quite prevalent in evangelical circles today is "Dispensationalism", an outgrowth of 'Darbyism'(originator John Nelson Darby),and is quite recent on the historical scale, coming on the scene in the mid 1800s. It's a "Futurist" view, in that believers are waiting a return of Christ at a 'future' date. There is variation as to timing of a "rapture" and what or 'who' an "anti-Christ" is, so the constant is the future return and debate rages in some circles concerning the other 'events'. Much has been written on the subject, so much so that many well meaning believers parrot by rote the subject matter, never giving thought to critical analysis of the material learned. But,I decided to embark on it one day, after years of accepting some "minor inconsistency" in the current model. So ,I no longer adhere to a futurist model,with reason. I'll allow you to respond and we can then go further ,if you'd like:)
I feel that too many humans have just bought the apocolypse scenarios hook, line and sinker, and the problem is made worse by the way some church leaders use shiny imagery and the most graphic terms possible to describe the event, just like it's done in the movies. Since life imitates art and art imitates life, we are basically "creating" the armegeddon with philosiphies and theories.
To think that the human race is theorizing itself to extinction is sad to me, and I can't for the life of me understand why people keep sticking to this belief.

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