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Only born again Christians will go to heaven.

Created by Missionary Man on Mar 26, 2008

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Chris

United States

#41 Mar 28, 2008
BeeCee wrote:
<quoted text>Wow - you really have a talent for assumption. No hatred involved here; more like vague irritation. You see, I was simply expressing how tired I am of seeing post after post of the same old rhetoric from non-believers. And don't try to pin your lack of faith on me - that's something missing in your makeup. Sorry boutcha - but it's certainly your own biz.
Whereas most non-believers would pity you. The problem is perspective. I like other non-believers share your aversion, just in the opposite direction.

I had a really interesting conversation with my pastor recently where I think he nailed down why the gap. Most of the religious view religion from God down. Non-believers look from human up. Different starting points that apparently lead to different ending points.

Both sides, believer and non-believer, need to take a breath and reassess. Apparently, bickering back and forth is getting all of us nowhere. At some point, all of us need to learn how to agree to disagree. My pastor and I came to that conclusion. We both respect each other, but we both have different ideas on God.

Since: Sep 07

Montrose, CO

#42 Mar 28, 2008
Chris wrote:
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I agree with the initial sentiment. I just interpret Jesus sayings a little different. If Christ meant following his example, I can agree to that. If he meant by believing he is the sole path to salvation, I cannot. Seems God would reveal himself more plausibly if he had a particular path in mind. Besides, having one path runs counter to free will because most will not choose one path.
My wife and I had this discussion a while back. She brought up a good point when she said Jesus did NOT say 'I am the ONLY way, the ONLY truth, and the ONLY life.' Both Christians and non-Christians like to insert the ONLY into that statement. Perhaps we should not.
I love that idea though. God will judge who is worthy or not. I believe that.
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

So how do you explain away the phrase "Except through me" huh?

“Need a Tissue for Your Issue?”

Since: Jan 07

Chi-town South Sider

#43 Mar 28, 2008
BeeCee wrote:
<quoted text>Wow - you really have a talent for assumption. No hatred involved here; more like vague irritation. You see, I was simply expressing how tired I am of seeing post after post of the same old rhetoric from non-believers. And don't try to pin your lack of faith on me - that's something missing in your makeup. Sorry boutcha - but it's certainly your own biz.
Talk about ASSumption. I wasn't pinning what you call my "lack of faith" on you. I was simply pointing out that the example I was taught to set, as a Christian, was to turn the other cheeck when attacked or insulted. Something apparently you never heard of.
Sorry, nothing missing in my makeup.

“It's a dog's life”

Since: Jan 08

Amish Country

#44 Mar 28, 2008
MPagoPago wrote:
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The scientists studying evolution acknowledge that it's incomplete, they are the people that titled it a theory. You, on the other hand, are posting paragraphs from a book that has no basic in fact, other than the fact that it was a great achievement in penmanship.
How true. Why do some people favor fiction instead of fact?

“It's a dog's life”

Since: Jan 08

Amish Country

#45 Mar 28, 2008
Missionary Man wrote:
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Mormonisim is a cult indeed. But heaven and hell are real places. Better get ready for one of them!
Why do you call Mormonism a cult? Why is it not a religion? And who are you to decide such things? Organized religions only serve to divide people into different factions with labels, intolerance, and ignorance.

“Crazy Cat Ladies Rule!”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere Over the Rainbow

#46 Mar 28, 2008
Chris wrote:
Whereas most non-believers would pity you. The problem is perspective. I like other non-believers share your aversion, just in the opposite direction.
I had a really interesting conversation with my pastor recently where I think he nailed down why the gap. Most of the religious view religion from God down. Non-believers look from human up. Different starting points that apparently lead to different ending points.
Both sides, believer and non-believer, need to take a breath and reassess. Apparently, bickering back and forth is getting all of us nowhere. At some point, all of us need to learn how to agree to disagree. My pastor and I came to that conclusion. We both respect each other, but we both have different ideas on God.
(((Yawn))) oh my...yet another person with the talent of assumption; it may interst you to know that I do not pity the athiest - but I do recognize negative space - between the ears AND in the heart. Oh and, bully for you and your enlighted pastor. I don't really understand what that has to do with the price of dog food but since you felt the need to express it I am imagining that it's some sort of awakening experience you need to talk about - as unremarkable as it sounds. And thanks but no thanks for the sage advise on bickering. Let's face it; whatever else it is - Topix is first and foremost a bitch and moan club. If you don't want to read/see it you might seriously consider another site. Maybe you can find one that you can micro-manage.

“RAKI !”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#47 Mar 28, 2008
tjpike wrote:
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Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
So how do you explain away the phrase "Except through me" huh?
This only applies to believeing in the teachings of Christ, of which I do.
But if others believe in a different way, then that is between them and God to sort out.
I DO believe that there is ONLY ONE bridge restored that will bring Christians back to God. I do NOT know what else God has done.

“Crazy Cat Ladies Rule!”

Since: Aug 07

Somewhere Over the Rainbow

#48 Mar 28, 2008
Dawnette wrote:
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Talk about ASSumption. I wasn't pinning what you call my "lack of faith" on you. I was simply pointing out that the example I was taught to set, as a Christian, was to turn the other cheeck when attacked or insulted. Something apparently you never heard of.
Sorry, nothing missing in my makeup.
Except originality. ASSumption...LOL. When did I ever mention my religion - and yet you felt compelled to bring up the subject and toss it in my face. And BTW - turning the other cheek does not mean you have to become a doormat - which is apparently your convenient interpretation. Once again; I was pointing out my irritation with the same old boring yada yada. So, just what was it this person did that needed to be forgiven?
gabby

Kent, OH

#49 Mar 28, 2008
yes born again christians go to heaven the only way to heaven is through jesus christ and you must first be saved before you can enter the pearly gates
Randy

Brooklyn, NY

#50 Mar 28, 2008
Nice post, thanks!
Chris wrote:
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Whereas most non-believers would pity you. The problem is perspective. I like other non-believers share your aversion, just in the opposite direction.
I had a really interesting conversation with my pastor recently where I think he nailed down why the gap. Most of the religious view religion from God down. Non-believers look from human up. Different starting points that apparently lead to different ending points.
Both sides, believer and non-believer, need to take a breath and reassess. Apparently, bickering back and forth is getting all of us nowhere. At some point, all of us need to learn how to agree to disagree. My pastor and I came to that conclusion. We both respect each other, but we both have different ideas on God.

“RAKI !”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#51 Mar 28, 2008
Chris wrote:
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These are all articles of faith for Christians. You are entitled to them. I think God did provide different pathways. Hence all the other religions. That's what I believe. You may or may not, but that is a decision that is entirely up to the individual's faith.
I hold none of the ones you mentioned. I don't believe any of that. I don't trust the Bible to reveal God. That is your reference point, but it's not mine.
I understand, this is the Christians way, everyone has a right to their own way, but we also have a right to believe in the way we do. I respect everyone right to believe there own way, that is between them and God to sort out.

Since: Sep 07

Montrose, CO

#52 Mar 28, 2008
Armo wrote:
<quoted text>
This only applies to believeing in the teachings of Christ, of which I do.
But if others believe in a different way, then that is between them and God to sort out.
I DO believe that there is ONLY ONE bridge restored that will bring Christians back to God. I do NOT know what else God has done.
I was responding to Chris' post where He said that the inference as Jesus being the ONLY way should not be used. I disagree with that and cited the "except through me" part of the verse. I agree with you that there is only one way and that is through Jesus Christ. Praise be to God for His Grace.

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

New York, NY

#53 Mar 28, 2008
tjpike wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
So how do you explain away the phrase "Except through me" huh?
there is no record of what Jesus said from the hand of Jesus, nor is there a record written within his lifetime. You do not know what Jesus said - you only know what other people said Jesus said - no of whom are actually proven to be people who met Jesus.

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

New York, NY

#54 Mar 28, 2008
BeeCee wrote:
<quoted text>Wow - you really have a talent for assumption. No hatred involved here; more like vague irritation. You see, I was simply expressing how tired I am of seeing post after post of the same old rhetoric from non-believers. And don't try to pin your lack of faith on me - that's something missing in your makeup. Sorry boutcha - but it's certainly your own biz.
you are not nearly as tired as we "non-believers"(actu ally we are believers - we all believe differently than you, that is all)are of the same tired, unprovable christian rhetoric. Especially the "end is near" spiel - after 2,000 years I think you need to realize that the end was never near nor is it now.
kliedav

AOL

#55 Mar 28, 2008
Armo wrote:
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Each one of these make up the nature of Christ, it's all part of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, and fruits of the spirit. each one will receive their reward. But it all comes out of faith.
Does this include what is written at Psalms 37:29 also?And could you help me understand Isaiah 65:20-25,does this mean they are going to build houses in heaven?And will there be animals there too like verse 25 mentions?
Chris

United States

#56 Mar 28, 2008
tjpike wrote:
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Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
So how do you explain away the phrase "Except through me" huh?
An example. Not an object of blind faith or obedience. Follow my example.

You asked.
Chris

United States

#57 Mar 28, 2008
BeeCee wrote:
<quoted text>(((Yawn))) oh my...yet another person with the talent of assumption; it may interst you to know that I do not pity the athiest - but I do recognize negative space - between the ears AND in the heart. Oh and, bully for you and your enlighted pastor. I don't really understand what that has to do with the price of dog food but since you felt the need to express it I am imagining that it's some sort of awakening experience you need to talk about - as unremarkable as it sounds. And thanks but no thanks for the sage advise on bickering. Let's face it; whatever else it is - Topix is first and foremost a bitch and moan club. If you don't want to read/see it you might seriously consider another site. Maybe you can find one that you can micro-manage.
Thank you for proving my point. Couldn't have said it better myself. Unlike you, I still believe in being civil to one another, regardless if we can agree or not.

I'm not micro-managing. I'm trying to end the animosity between both sides because it solves nothing! It only makes things worse.

Since: Sep 07

Montrose, CO

#58 Mar 28, 2008
Saranacotter wrote:
<quoted text>there is no record of what Jesus said from the hand of Jesus, nor is there a record written within his lifetime. You do not know what Jesus said - you only know what other people said Jesus said - no of whom are actually proven to be people who met Jesus.
So what about history books and their authors. If an author wrote about someone from the past, you would not believe what he wrote unless it was about the actual author and during his lifetime.

The apostle John is believed to be the author and he knew Jesus. It is believed to be written after Jesus' death and resurrection but I don't believe it is invalid because it was written after His death and resurrection.

“Need a Tissue for Your Issue?”

Since: Jan 07

Chi-town South Sider

#59 Mar 28, 2008
BeeCee wrote:
<quoted text>Except originality. ASSumption...LOL. When did I ever mention my religion - and yet you felt compelled to bring up the subject and toss it in my face. And BTW - turning the other cheek does not mean you have to become a doormat - which is apparently your convenient interpretation. Once again; I was pointing out my irritation with the same old boring yada yada. So, just what was it this person did that needed to be forgiven?
Hmmm...never even thought about the doormat part, but if the shoe fits, LOL.
Anyhoo...if you maybe read the original post you typed you'd understand, but I doubt it. Reading your subsequent posts I can see you're here just to stir things up. Bully for you, have fun!
Chris

United States

#60 Mar 28, 2008
Armo wrote:
<quoted text>
This only applies to believeing in the teachings of Christ, of which I do.
But if others believe in a different way, then that is between them and God to sort out.
I DO believe that there is ONLY ONE bridge restored that will bring Christians back to God. I do NOT know what else God has done.
Agreed. Excellent post!

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