Only born again Christians will go to heaven.

[Saranacotter]

Missionary Man wrote:

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Hardly can one call it a failed religion.
Hi Saranacotter!:) Yea, still the zealous preacher trying to get the Word out there to all who will receive it. Blessings to you and your family! Hope you had a nice Easter.

I just did and stand by it. You say your God is of Love but christians promote religious bigotry and hatred for all but their sheep-like followers. Your God is a combo dead Jewish reporter and a demon that condones blood sacrifice and who supposedly tortures most of humanity for not following it's insanity.

[Saranacotter]

Missionary Man wrote:

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Hi Nora. A Pharisee named Nicodemus had a similar question for Jesus. He said, "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"
Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying,'You must be born again.' The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." (John 3:4-8 NIV)
Jesus was clear Nora. We must be born first as a babe, a physical birth. But to enter heaven, we must be born again, a spiritual birth.
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16 NIV)

there is no record from the alleged lifetime of Jesus recording what he may or may not have said. Only reports concocted by people at a later time trying to form a psuedo-Judaism for gentiles.

[Armo]

It will be up to God to decide who is worthy or not. God has the last say-so in his kingdom.
Although you cannot get around what Jesus said "NO-ONE comes to the Father, but by me"

[MPagoPago]

Missionary Man wrote:

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Okay, that's really not what I do. I'm a Bible-based preacher. But try these links if you have some free time:
http://www.gotquestions.org/archaeology-Bible...
http://www.gotquestions.org/search.php...
http://www.answersingenesis.org/
http://www.probe.org/

Thank you. I made it all the way through the first two before I got bored. They all say basically the same thing that you do....that archaeology has uncovered many facts. What few examples they actually list does nothing to prove what you claim. That some people (other than Jesus) named in the bible existed, and that some places named in the bible existed. Well, there have been many, many works of fiction that lists real people and places. And example that comes to mind is "The Stand" by Stephen King. 1000 years from now, will people insist that the Army unleashed a great plague on mankind and that they fought their last great battle with nuclear weapons in a place called Las Vegas? It would have to be true, because the book mentioned places like Des Moines and New York and Chicago, and organizations like the CDC and the US Army. And there have been hundreds of books written about William F.(Buffalo Bill) Cody...he was real, but see how many of those books were true.

I especially liked the one that claims that the water to wine thing actually happened because they've found the remains of water jars; do you by chance have any idea how many hundreds of thousands of water jars must have been in use then? Just asking.

[SupaAFC]

Missionary Man wrote:

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Now Jack,(as in beanstalk) why would you call me a moron? Only children call people names (or childish adults that lack manners). Are you a child? You certainly act like one. But you know that already don't you. You get some kind of a weird high when you insult people don't you. Simply because I believe in the God of the Bible and not the "theory" of evolution you call me names. Some people on these threads sure are rude.

"Mweh! Mweh! I'm being attacked!"

Save it. My first post here was a simple statement saying I hoped you accepted that heaven is not "officially" real. Judging by the long pointless post of passages, it's safe to say you don't.

It sure is strange when, given the option of either shutting their mouthes or whine about "nasty" posts, xtians always seem to go for the second option. You're a moron because you've given me reason to call you a moron: it's not an "insult" my little buttercup.

[Myojine]

the relious based bull of heaven and hell has no real meaniung when it comes to death, when you die you die thats that no one truly knows what death is like untill they die permanently, and jesus was a violent child, and the dead sea scrolls, and the gosple of mary should be in the bible, before you preach about god, mormons are brianwashed i know cause ive studied their ways lived with them and researched about cults and sociaties, ive read the book of mormon and discoverd that all the names are egyption and hebrew, with goes against the laws of cultural intregration, relkigion is psychiatric bogus so believe what you want and dont bring others in to your psychosis

[Missionary Man]

SupaAFC wrote:

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"Mweh! Mweh! I'm being attacked!"
Save it. My first post here was a simple statement saying I hoped you accepted that heaven is not "officially" real. Judging by the long pointless post of passages, it's safe to say you don't.
It sure is strange when, given the option of either shutting their mouthes or whine about "nasty" posts, xtians always seem to go for the second option. You're a moron because you've given me reason to call you a moron: it's not an "insult" my little buttercup.

Point taken. When I get some free time, I'll do a little research and find some better facts. And then you'll believe.... or most probablly you will simply find a way to argue them away as well. However, your point was taken. Blessings!

[Missionary Man]

Myojine wrote:

the relious based bull of heaven and hell has no real meaniung when it comes to death, when you die you die thats that no one truly knows what death is like untill they die permanently, and jesus was a violent child, and the dead sea scrolls, and the gosple of mary should be in the bible, before you preach about god, mormons are brianwashed i know cause ive studied their ways lived with them and researched about cults and sociaties, ive read the book of mormon and discoverd that all the names are egyption and hebrew, with goes against the laws of cultural intregration, relkigion is psychiatric bogus so believe what you want and dont bring others in to your psychosis

Mormonisim is a cult indeed. But heaven and hell are real places. Better get ready for one of them!

[Saranacotter]

Missionary Man wrote:

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Mormonisim is a cult indeed. But heaven and hell are real places. Better get ready for one of them!

your opinion, your propaganda, and you are a zealot who can prove none of what he says is more than an attempt by Paul to make a pseudo-Judaism for Gentiles. Your religion is equal to Disneyland as far as the Real World is concerned.

[Ralph]

I don't know if heaven even really exists. I was raised in the Lutheran Churc of Mo. Synod, and I was friends with mostly Catholic folks. Then I entered the workforce and met many Jewish people. Many of them also became close firends. I have known other people who were of various faiths, Christian and non-Christian. Many of them were good people also. Fact is, which religion you are seems to be of little concern. It is how you live the teachings that matters. If heaven really does exist, it would be a very boring place if the only ones there are so-called "Christians". After all, Christianity has in the past, and to this day does, oppress other peoples.

[Chris]

SupaAFC wrote:

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Evolution is a fact moron, stop whining about it's terminology.
And the chunks of bible passages you just quoted: sorry, don't work with me. It's like preaching Jack and the Beanstalk.

Evolution is a theory that happens to fit most of the data the scientific community has on hand at the moment. That's it. Fact requires certainty.

I think evolution is more accurate than Genesis, but calling it fact is wrong.

[Chris]

Armo wrote:

It will be up to God to decide who is worthy or not. God has the last say-so in his kingdom.
Although you cannot get around what Jesus said "NO-ONE comes to the Father, but by me"

I agree with the initial sentiment. I just interpret Jesus sayings a little different. If Christ meant following his example, I can agree to that. If he meant by believing he is the sole path to salvation, I cannot. Seems God would reveal himself more plausibly if he had a particular path in mind. Besides, having one path runs counter to free will because most will not choose one path.

My wife and I had this discussion a while back. She brought up a good point when she said Jesus did NOT say 'I am the ONLY way, the ONLY truth, and the ONLY life.' Both Christians and non-Christians like to insert the ONLY into that statement. Perhaps we should not.

I love that idea though. God will judge who is worthy or not. I believe that.

[Chris]

Missionary Man wrote:

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Mormonisim is a cult indeed. But heaven and hell are real places. Better get ready for one of them!

Funny. I once thought the same thing about Evangelical Christians. Then I started talking to them and currently go to an Evangelical church. Funny what happens when you start listening to others ideas. Tends to take the mis-judging out.

Not sure if you see this, but you are coming across like Kirk Cameron, a modern-day Pharisee. You are advocating the system over the hearts of the people. If your intention is to convert, first you need to listen and relate. Otherwise, you are Bible-thumping and might as well be speaking a foreign language.

[Ralph]

Missionary Man wrote:

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Simply because I believe in the God of the Bible and not the "theory" of evolution you call me names. Some people on these threads sure are rude.

I am courious. You put quotation marks around the "theory" of evolution. You do not put the same marks around your "belief" of God. Now I realize that for you the "belief" is real, and does not require them. However, if you want to be fair, the word "belief" should also be in quotes, because it is referring to a theory, not anything provable. Or do you have any more proof than evolutionists do? And I don't mean faith, I mean proof.

[kliedav]

I would like to know what Jesus meant when he said "the meek shall inherit the earth."Mt.5:5

[Armo]

Chris wrote:

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I agree with the initial sentiment. I just interpret Jesus sayings a little different. If Christ meant following his example, I can agree to that. If he meant by believing he is the sole path to salvation, I cannot. Seems God would reveal himself more plausibly if he had a particular path in mind. Besides, having one path runs counter to free will because most will not choose one path.
My wife and I had this discussion a while back. She brought up a good point when she said Jesus did NOT say 'I am the ONLY way, the ONLY truth, and the ONLY life.' Both Christians and non-Christians like to insert the ONLY into that statement. Perhaps we should not.
I love that idea though. God will judge who is worthy or not. I believe that.

But there is ony ONE who sacrificed his life for our sake. no one else, Who else is the mediator between mankind and God? Who else was victorious over hell, death and the grave? Who else paid he ransome that paid for our sins? Who else paid the wages of sin with his innocen life, and abolished the old law? Also who else promised to return to take back his own. There is only one bridge restored,Even the old testiment accounts for Gods son. and the New Testiment accounts for his return. If God had provided a differnt pathway, then he would have made it known.

[Armo]

kliedav wrote:

I would like to know what Jesus meant when he said "the meek shall inherit the earth."Mt.5:5

Each one of these make up the nature of Christ, it's all part of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, and fruits of the spirit. each one will receive their reward. But it all comes out of faith.

[Cookie Monster]

Missionary Man wrote:

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Mormonisim is a cult indeed. But heaven and hell are real places. Better get ready for one of them!

have you ever looked up the word cult all religions are cults even yours !!!!

[BeeCee]

Dawnette wrote:

Wow, the post you replied to wasn't mean or anything, and here is your sniping response. Boy, are you the pure example of Christianity. Thanks for showing us all why us 'little athiests' believe the way we do. With insulting posts by skanks like you, who could help it? You're the pathetic one. Go light a candle and pray for your own lonely, judgmental soul.

Wow - you really have a talent for assumption. No hatred involved here; more like vague irritation. You see, I was simply expressing how tired I am of seeing post after post of the same old rhetoric from non-believers. And don't try to pin your lack of faith on me - that's something missing in your makeup. Sorry boutcha - but it's certainly your own biz.

[Chris]

Armo wrote:

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But there is ony ONE who sacrificed his life for our sake. no one else, Who else is the mediator between mankind and God? Who else was victorious over hell, death and the grave? Who else paid he ransome that paid for our sins? Who else paid the wages of sin with his innocen life, and abolished the old law? Also who else promised to return to take back his own. There is only one bridge restored,Even the old testiment accounts for Gods son. and the New Testiment accounts for his return. If God had provided a differnt pathway, then he would have made it known.

These are all articles of faith for Christians. You are entitled to them. I think God did provide different pathways. Hence all the other religions. That's what I believe. You may or may not, but that is a decision that is entirely up to the individual's faith.

I hold none of the ones you mentioned. I don't believe any of that. I don't trust the Bible to reveal God. That is your reference point, but it's not mine.