Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple of Jesus Christ

[Student I want to know]

Debrasurfs wrote:

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What kind of answer is that? Weak.

Well, then, where does the Bible foretell the year that Christ begins to rule as king of God’s government?

It is in this Bible book of Daniel.—Daniel 4:10-37. There a giant, heaven-high tree is used to represent King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He was the highest human ruler at that time. However, King Nebuchadnezzar was forced to know that someone higher was ruling. This one is “the Most High,” or “the King of the heavens,” Jehovah God.—Daniel 4:34, 37. So, in a more important way, this heaven-high tree, comes to represent THE SUPREME RULERSHIP OF GOD, PARTICULARLY IN ITS RELATIONSHIP TO OUR EARTH. Jehovah’s rulership was expressed for a time through the kingdom that he set up over the nation of Israel. Thus the kings of the tribe of Judah who reigned over the Israelites were said to “sit upon Jehovah’s throne.”—1Chronicles 29:23.

According to the Bible account in Daniel chapter four, the heaven-high tree was cut down. However, the stump was left, and bands of iron and of copper were put on it. This would keep the stump from growing until it was God’s time to remove the bands and let it start growing again. But how and when was God’s rulership cut down?

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[Student I want to know]

In due course, the kingdom of Judah that Jehovah had set up became so corrupt that he allowed King Nebuchadnezzar to destroy it, to cut it down. This happened in the year 607 B.C.E. At that time Zedekiah, the last king of Judah to sit on Jehovah’s throne, was told:“Lift off the crown.... it will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.”—Ezekiel 21:25-27.

So God’s rulership, as represented by the “tree,” was cut down in 607 B.C.E. No longer was there a government to represent God’s rulership in the earth. Thus, in 607 B.C.E. a period of time began that Jesus Christ later referred to as “THE APPOINTED TIMES OF THE NATIONS,” or,“THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES.”—Luke 21:34, King James Version. During these “appointed times” God did not have a government to represent his rulership in the earth.

What was to happen at the end of these “appointed times of the nations”? Jehovah was to give the power to rule to the One “who has the legal right.” This One is Jesus Christ. So if we can find out when “the appointed times of the nations” end, we will know when Christ begins to rule as king.

According to Daniel chapter four, these “appointed times” would be “SEVEN TIMES.” Daniel shows that there would be “seven times” during which God’s rulership, as represented by the “tree,” would not be in operation over the earth.—Daniel 4:16, 23. How long are these “seven times”?

In Revelation chapter 12, verse 6 and 14, we learn that 1,260 days are equal to “a time [that is, 1 time] and times [that is, 2 times] and half a time.” That is a total of 3 ½ times. So “a time” would be equal to 360 days. Therefore,“seven times’ would be 7 times 360, or 2,520 days. Now if we count a day for a year, according to a Bible rule, the “seven times” equal 2,520 years.—Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6.

We have already learned that “the appointed times of the nations, began in the year 607 B.C.E. So by counting 2,520 years from that date, we come down to 1914C.E. That is the year these “appointed times” ended.

October, 607 B.C.E. to October, 1 B.C.E. equals 606 years.
October, 1 B.C.E. to October, 1914 C.E. equals 1,914 years
Which is SEVEN GENTILE TIMES. Add 606 and 1,914 and you will have 2,520 YEARS.

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[Student I want to know]

Millions of people still living remember the things happened in 1914. In that year, World War I began a period of terrible trouble that has continued to our day. THIS MEANS THAT JESUS CHRIST BEGAN TO RULE AS KING OF GOD’S HEAVENLY GOVERNMENT IN 1914. And because toe Kingdom has already started its rule, how timely it is that we pray for it to “Come” and wipe Satan’s wicked system of thing from the earth!—Matthew 6:10; Daniel 2:44

Yet a person may ask:‘If Christ has already returned to rule in his Father’s kingdom, why do we not see him?

“I AM COMING AGAIN.”—John 14:3. Jesus Christ made this promise to his apostles when he was with them the night before his death. You will probably agree that never has there been a greater need for the peace, health and life that Christ’s return in Kingdom power will bring to humankind. But HOW does Christ return? Who see him, and in what way?

At this return, Christ does not come to live on earth. Rather, those who are to rule as kings with him are taken to live with him in heaven. Jesus told his apostles:“I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be.”—John 14:3. So, when Christ returns, those who are taken to heaven become spirit persons, and they see Christ in his glorified spirit body.—1 Corinthians 15:44. But do the rest of humankind, who do not go to heaven, see Christ when he returns?

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[Student I want to know]

WHY HE COULD NOT RETURN AS A HUMAN!!

That same night Jesus went on to say to his apostles:“ little longer and THE WORLD WILL BEHOLD ME NO MORE.”—John 14:19. The “world” refers to humankind. So Jesus here plainly said that people on earth would not see him again after his death. The apostle Paul wrote:“Even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, certainly we now know him so no more.”—2 Corinthians 5:16.

Yet many persons believe that Christ will return in the same human body in which he was put to death, and that all those living on earth will see him. The Bible, however, says that Christ returns in glory with all the angels, and that he sits “down on his glorious throne.”—Matthew 25:31. If Jesus were to come and sit as a man on an earthy throne, he would be lower in station than the angels. But he comes as the mightiest and most glorious of all these spirit sons of God and is therefore invisible, just as they are.—Philippians 2:8-11.

On the other hand, over 1,900 years ago it was necessary for Jesus to lower himself and become a man. He needed to give his perfect human life as a ransom for us. Jesus once explained it this way:“The bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.”—John 6:51. Jesus thus gave up his fleshly body in sacrifice for humankind. For how long was that sacrifice to be in effect? The apostle Paul answers:“We have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL TIME.”—Hebrews 10:10. Having given up his flesh for the life of the world, Christ could never take it again and become a man once more. For that basic reason his return could never be in the human body that he sacrificed once for all time.

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[Student I want to know]

JESUS CHRIST FLESHLY BODY NOT TAKEN TO HEAVEN.

However, many persons believe that Christ took his fleshly body to heaven. They point to the fact that when Christ was raised from the dead, his fleshly body was no longer in the tomb.—Mark 16:5-7. Also, after his death Jesus appeared to his disciples in a fleshly body to show them that he was alive. Once He even had the apostle Thomas put his hand into the hole in His side so that Thomas would believe that He had actually been resurrected.—John 20:24-27. Does this not prove that Christ was raised alive in the same body in which he was put to death?

No, it does not. The Bible is very clear when it says:“Christ died once for all them concerning sins ..., HE BEING PUT TO DEATH IN THE FLESH, BUT BEING MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT.—1 Peter 3:18. Humans with flesh-and-blood bodies cannot live in heaven. Of the resurrection to heavenly life, the Bible says:“It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body.... FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT GOD’S KINGDOM.”—1 Corinthians 15:44-50. Only spirit persons with spiritual bodies can live in heaven.

Well, then, what happened to Jesus’ fleshly body? Did not the disciples find his tomb empty? They did, because God removed Jesus’ body. Why did God do this? It fulfilled what had been written in the Bible.—Psalm 16:10 and Acts 2:31. Thus Jehovah saw fit to remove Jesus’ body, even as he had done before with Moses’ body.—Deuteronomy 34:5, 6. Also, if the body had been left in the tomb, Jesus’ disciples could not have understood that he had been raised from the dead, since at that time they did not fully appreciate spiritual things.

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[Student I want to know]

But since the apostle Thomas was able to put his hand into the hole in Jesus’ side, does that not show that Jesus was raised from the dead in the same body that was nailed to the stake? No, for Jesus simply materialized or took on a fleshly body, as angels had done in the past. In order to convince Thomas of who He was, He used a body with wound holes. He appeared, or seemed to be, fully human, able to eat and drink just as did the angels that Abraham once entertained.—Genesis 18:8—Hebrews 13:2.

While Jesus appeared to Thomas in a body similar to the one in which He was put to death, He also took on different bodies when appearing to His followers. Thus Mary Magdalene at first thought that Jesus was a gardener. At other times his disciples did not at first recognize him. In these instances it was not his personal appearance that served to identify him, but it was some word or action that they recognized.—John 20:14-16; 21:6, 7—Luke 24:30, 31.

For 40 days after his resurrection, Jesus made appearances in a fleshly body to his disciples.—Acts 1:3. Then he left for heaven. Bus some may ask:‘Did not the two angels present tell the apostles that Christ “will come thus in the same manner as you have beheld him going into the sky”/’—Acts 1:11. Yes, they did. But notice that they said “IN THE SAME MANNER,” not in the same body. And what was the manner of Jesus’ leaving? It was quiet, without public display. Only his apostles knew about it. The world did not.

Consider how the Bible describes the manner in which Jesus left his apostles on his way to heaven:“While they were looking on, he was lifted up and a cloud caught him up from their vision.”—Acts 1:9. So when Jesus began going into the sky, a cloud him from the literal eyesight of his apostles. The departing Jesus, therefore, became invisible to them. They could not see him. Then in his spiritual body he ascended to heaven.—1 Peter 3:18. Thus his return also would be invisible, in a spiritual body.

[Student I want to know]

All for the Love wrote:

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Good night nurse Student,He is God,He can apprear in any form He want's for goodness sake.
I refuse to argue scripture as long as you keep using that false book of your's.
THEY HAVE DONE THE VERY THING THAT THE LORD SAID NOT TO DO.
ADDED AND TAKEN AWAY
You are in dire need of help woman if you believe what the LIAR "OLD TAZ" TAUGHT
You know,the one that got caught in that big old lie in court??????????
God have mercy on your poor soul.

When did "Old Taz" get caught in a lie in court?

I could say the same about your version of the Scriptures!! As I have posted where the King James traslators have added verses!!

[Student I want to know]

All for the Love wrote:

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And when he had spoken these things,((((while they beheld)))) Meaning looked or watched, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Now if they didn't see Him accend into Heaven,how did they know that a cloud recieved Him??????????
It plainly say's they beheld.
beheld
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Etymology: Middle English, to keep, behold, from Old English behealdan, from be-+ healdan to hold
Date: before 12th century
transitive verb
1 : to perceive (((through sight or apprehension : see )))
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It don't take a mental heavy weight to figure out what you up to Student.
God's Word say's He will come back in like manner.
They beheld Him as He accended and God's Word say's they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
You can argue the matter till the cow's come home,it aint doin a bit of good.
You cannot change God's Word.

“While they were looking on, he was lifted up and a cloud caught him up from their vision.”—Acts 1:9. So when Jesus began going into the sky, a cloud hid him from the literal eyesight of his apostles. The departing Jesus, therefore, became invisible to them. They could not see him. Then in his spiritual body he ascended to heaven.—1 Peter 3:18.

His return also would be invisible, in a spiritual body.

‘Did not the two angels present tell the apostles that Christ “will come thus in the same manner as you have beheld him going into the sky?"’—Acts 1:11.

Yes, they did. But notice that they said “IN THE SAME MANNER,” not in the same body. And what was the manner of Jesus’ leaving? It was quiet, without public display. Only his apostles knew about it. The world did not.

Consider how the Bible describes the manner in which Jesus left his apostles on his way to heaven:“While they were looking on, he was lifted up and a cloud caught him up from their vision.”—Acts 1:9.

HOW SEEN BY EVERY EYE

How, then, are we to understand the words of Revelation 1:7? There the apostle John writes:“Look! He is coming with the clouds, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.” Here the Bible speaks of seeing, not with physical eyes, but in the sense of DISCERNING OR PERCEIVING. Thus, when a person comprehends or understand a matter, he may say,“I see it.’ The Bible, in fact speaks of “the eyes of your understanding.”—Ephesians 1:18, King James Version. So the expression “every eye will see him” means that everyone will then understand or recognize that Christ is present.

Those who actually “pierced” Jesus are no longer alive on earth. So they represent persons who, by hurting Christ’s present-day followers, copy the conduct of those first-century men.—Matthew 25:40, 45. The time will soon come for Christ to execute such wicked ones. They have been warned in advance about this. When this execution takes place, they will “see” or recognize what is happening. And their grief will indeed be great!

[kliedav]

All for the Love wrote:

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It don't make no difference,the ham or turkey was a CHRISTMAS GIFT.
If you accept a Christmas gift and not believing in celebrating the birth of the Lord ,then you are a hypocrite.
You can't make excuses or acceptions.
If a Satan worshipper gave me a gift on a Satan celebration day and I accepted it,then I would be a partaker of the celebration knowing what the gift represented,even if I put it in the freezer for later use.
You can't straddle the fence.

Please read Colossians 2:16.

[kliedav]

Debrasurfs wrote:

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Hypocritical. The meal was intended as a Christmas gift. It does not matter if you eat it on Christmas day, or afterwards. The intent is the same for the gift.
I like All's analogy. If a Satan worshipper wanted to give me something on Satan day, I wouldn't take it then, or ever, period.

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath." What I do is between me and Jehovah God he is my Judge.

[Jake999]

Student shut up and listen,

I am the body of Christ that you ramble on about and say you want to or know about.

If I wasted my time deciphering the many opinions of men from long ago then I would not have had enough time to fulfill all the prophecies related to the Messiah. That is exactly what Jesus did to prove that he was the word of God in the flesh.

Do you want to investigate me or continue to ask questions of people who do not have the answers?

[Debrasurfs]

kliedav wrote:

<quoted text>Colossians 2:16 "Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath." What I do is between me and Jehovah God he is my Judge.

I will agree with that. And likewise. What I do is between me and God. We agree to disagree and I hold no grudge towards you. I just hope that sometime in the future you will give Christianity a second look. God Bless.

[Debrasurfs]

Student I want to know wrote:

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When did "Old Taz" get caught in a lie in court?
I could say the same about your version of the Scriptures!! As I have posted where the King James traslators have added verses!!

Student, All already posted when the lie occurred. It has also been posted several times before. I realize we will never agree at the moment. You see all Christians as liars and while I don't see you personally as a liar, I do see the org as a liar. I hope that one day you come to see that, too. God has a way of working wonders.

[Student I want to know]

Debrasurfs wrote:

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Student, All already posted when the lie occurred. It has also been posted several times before. I realize we will never agree at the moment. You see all Christians as liars and while I don't see you personally as a liar, I do see the org as a liar. I hope that one day you come to see that, too. God has a way of working wonders.

"Old Taz" died in 1916! What court are you and All posting about? As far as I know, "he was never asked to read or speak Hebrew in any court of law."

[Student I want to know]

Jake999 wrote:

Student shut up and listen,
I am the body of Christ that you ramble on about and say you want to or know about.
If I wasted my time deciphering the many opinions of men from long ago then I would not have had enough time to fulfill all the prophecies related to the Messiah. That is exactly what Jesus did to prove that he was the word of God in the flesh.
Do you want to investigate me or continue to ask questions of people who do not have the answers?

So, you said that you are the body of the Christ in the flesh and blood? You got to be kidding right?

There was only one use of blood that God ever approved, namely, for sacrifice. He directed that those under the Mosaic Law offer animal sacrifices to make atonement for sin.—Leviticus 17:11—“The soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have put it upon the altar for YOU to make atonement for YOUR souls, because it is the blood that makes atonement by the soul in it.”

“When Christ came as a high priest ... he entered, no, not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, BUT WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, once for all time into the holy place and OBTAINED AN EVERLASTING DELIVERANCE FOR US. For if the blood of goats and of bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who have been defiled sanctifies to the extent of cleanness of the flesh, HOW MUCH MORE WILL THE BLOOD OF THE CHRIST, WHO THROUGH AN EVERLASTING SPIRIT OFFERED HIMSELF WITHOUT BLEMISH TO GOD, CLEANSE OUR CONSCIENCES FROM DEAD WORKS THAT WE MAY RENDER SACRED SERVICE TO THE LIVING GOD?”....“UNLESS BLOOD IS POURED OUT NO FORGIVENESS TAKES PLACE.”—Hebrews 9:11-14, 22.

“By means of him [Jesus Christ] we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one, yes, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his undeserved kindness.”—Ephesians 1:7

“If we are walking in the light as he [Jehovah] himself is in the light, we do have a sharing with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.”—1 John 1:7

So you see that Jesus will not take back this precious gift he gave us by coming back in the flesh.

[Student I want to know]

Correction!!

“By means of him [Jehovah] we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one [Jesus Christ], yes, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his [Jehovah God's] undeserved kindness.”—Ephesians 1:7

[All for the Love]

Student I want to know wrote:

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“While they were looking on, he was lifted up and a cloud caught him up from their vision.”—Acts 1:9. So when Jesus began going into the sky, a cloud hid him from the literal eyesight of his apostles. The departing Jesus, therefore, became invisible to them. They could not see him. Then in his spiritual body he ascended to heaven.—1 Peter 3:18.
His return also would be invisible, in a spiritual body.
‘Did not the two angels present tell the apostles that Christ “will come thus in the same manner as you have beheld him going into the sky?"’—Acts 1:11.
Yes, they did. But notice that they said “IN THE SAME MANNER,” not in the same body. And what was the manner of Jesus’ leaving? It was quiet, without public display. Only his apostles knew about it. The world did not.
Consider how the Bible describes the manner in which Jesus left his apostles on his way to heaven:“While they were looking on, he was lifted up and a cloud caught him up from their vision.”—Acts 1:9.
HOW SEEN BY EVERY EYE
How, then, are we to understand the words of Revelation 1:7? There the apostle John writes:“Look! He is coming with the clouds, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.” Here the Bible speaks of seeing, not with physical eyes, but in the sense of DISCERNING OR PERCEIVING. Thus, when a person comprehends or understand a matter, he may say,“I see it.’ The Bible, in fact speaks of “the eyes of your understanding.”—Ephesians 1:18, King James Version. So the expression “every eye will see him” means that everyone will then understand or recognize that Christ is present.
Those who actually “pierced” Jesus are no longer alive on earth. So they represent persons who, by hurting Christ’s present-day followers, copy the conduct of those first-century men.—Matthew 25:40, 45. The time will soon come for Christ to execute such wicked ones. They have been warned in advance about this. When this execution takes place, they will “see” or recognize what is happening. And their grief will indeed be great!

And while they ((looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up))), behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus,(((who was taken up from you into heaven))),(((will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.)))" Acts 1:10-11

I'm getting tired of the battle on the the verses and YOUR OR$$$$$$G's opinion on the subject.

You asked where when did old Taz lie in court?
I just posted it the other day,you truely do not read the post.
It is a matter of court record.
Look it up0 your self if you dare,No wiat,I'll post it again beings you probably won't look it up.

Here;

Russell was then accused and caught in many fradulent schemes. In 1913 he claimed to have "miracle wheat" that would
grow five times as fast as any other type. Government officials tested the wheat and found it to be slightly inferior to
ordinary wheat.
In court, Russell ((((lied)))) and claimed that he knew the Greek language. When confronted with the Greek alphabet, he was
((((unable to read it)))). Russell had claimed to have reverted back to the original Greek and Hebrew in order to give the world
a true rendition of the Word of God. He had to ((((admit)))) that he (((lied)))) and could not read Greek! Russell died on October
31st, 1916.

[John Coffey]

Student I want to know wrote:

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So, you said that you are the body of the Christ in the flesh and blood? You got to be kidding right?
There was only one use of blood that God ever approved, namely, for sacrifice. He directed that those under the Mosaic Law offer animal sacrifices to make atonement for sin.—Leviticus 17:11—“The soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have put it upon the altar for YOU to make atonement for YOUR souls, because it is the blood that makes atonement by the soul in it.”
“When Christ came as a high priest ... he entered, no, not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, BUT WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, once for all time into the holy place and OBTAINED AN EVERLASTING DELIVERANCE FOR US. For if the blood of goats and of bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who have been defiled sanctifies to the extent of cleanness of the flesh, HOW MUCH MORE WILL THE BLOOD OF THE CHRIST, WHO THROUGH AN EVERLASTING SPIRIT OFFERED HIMSELF WITHOUT BLEMISH TO GOD, CLEANSE OUR CONSCIENCES FROM DEAD WORKS THAT WE MAY RENDER SACRED SERVICE TO THE LIVING GOD?”....“UNLESS BLOOD IS POURED OUT NO FORGIVENESS TAKES PLACE.”—Hebrews 9:11-14, 22.
“By means of him [Jesus Christ] we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one, yes, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his undeserved kindness.”—Ephesians 1:7
“If we are walking in the light as he [Jehovah] himself is in the light, we do have a sharing with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.”—1 John 1:7
So you see that Jesus will not take back this precious gift he gave us by coming back in the flesh.

You need to put down the watchtower propaganda that you are being force fed and trying to line it up with Gods Word and let Gods Word speak for itself.

1st Corinthians 12:27 "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."

[MEa]

You go sister. Your knowledge is outstanding. You are researching and making this your own. People do not understand the knowledge and reasoning is what draws each of us to the truth. We make it our own.
We do not claim to be perfect and the material may brighten as life goes on with more insight but we know the tree is solid.
The church that is run by our King Jesus Christ who was anointed by his father our Grand Master and Sovereign and Holy Father of the Universe Jehovah God. Psalms 83:18 That men may know that you whose name is Jehovah , that you ALONE are the most high.

In a nut schell that is what we believe. If this is hard for some to accept and we do not force it on anyone. Daniel 12:10 only those having insight will understand.

Jesus also said that No one came to him unless the father drew them to him. John 6:44 - How would the father draw you if you do not know him. he is a just God and will personally send us his messengers to tell you his Great news about the paradise earth..

. Col 1:15 says Jesus is Gods firstborn. Many on earth have a firstborn who helped with the family business. No doubt so did Jesus in the helping of the creation of all things as the scripture clearly says he is the image of the invisible god FIRSTBORN of ALL creation. that is what it reads that is what it means..Sounds like 2 entities. because it is .

Jehovah has no beginning . Yet Jesus does.

It is the message not the people. People are imperfect.. and when each of us know the message we apply but our standing is still before Jehovah. So is even the Christ to kneel before his father.
How can he do that if he is himself.

Ludicrous teaching.! a father and a son cannot be the same age..

I admire your balanced temper in your learning, research.

No doubt it has made you so convicted to believe these ones too need to be spoken too..

Mathew 24:14 - it will be interesting for us all..

We sure are very very few... Mathew 7:13-14 cramped is the road very very few will find leading to everlasting life. Broad cramped and crowded is the road leading to destruction..

Student I want to know wrote:

Correction!!
“By means of him [Jehovah] we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one [Jesus Christ], yes, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his [Jehovah God's] undeserved kindness.”—Ephesians 1:7

[All for the Love]

MEa wrote:

You go sister. Your knowledge is outstanding. You are researching and making this your own. People do not understand the knowledge and reasoning is what draws each of us to the truth. We make it our own.
We do not claim to be perfect and the material may brighten as life goes on with more insight but we know the tree is solid.
The church that is run by our King Jesus Christ who was anointed by his father our Grand Master and Sovereign and Holy Father of the Universe Jehovah God. Psalms 83:18 That men may know that you whose name is Jehovah , that you ALONE are the most high.
In a nut schell that is what we believe. If this is hard for some to accept and we do not force it on anyone. Daniel 12:10 only those having insight will understand.
Jesus also said that No one came to him unless the father drew them to him. John 6:44 - How would the father draw you if you do not know him. he is a just God and will personally send us his messengers to tell you his Great news about the paradise earth..
. Col 1:15 says Jesus is Gods firstborn. Many on earth have a firstborn who helped with the family business. No doubt so did Jesus in the helping of the creation of all things as the scripture clearly says he is the image of the invisible god FIRSTBORN of ALL creation. that is what it reads that is what it means..Sounds like 2 entities. because it is .
Jehovah has no beginning . Yet Jesus does.
It is the message not the people. People are imperfect.. and when each of us know the message we apply but our standing is still before Jehovah. So is even the Christ to kneel before his father.
How can he do that if he is himself.
Ludicrous teaching.! a father and a son cannot be the same age..
I admire your balanced temper in your learning, research.
No doubt it has made you so convicted to believe these ones too need to be spoken too..
Mathew 24:14 - it will be interesting for us all..
We sure are very very few... Mathew 7:13-14 cramped is the road very very few will find leading to everlasting life. Broad cramped and crowded is the road leading to destruction..
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Oh yaeh again there's that fav verse y'all love to use on ones who believe different,Wide is the path.
Do you realize how ridiculous you look posting that verse all the time?????
You are clueless as to what is is to be a child of God and to know the saving Grace.
Go ahead and believe the false doctrine that the LIAR TAZ RUSSELL started.
See what road you end up on.
You'll,we will all know on that last day.
I have no doubt what road I am on.
When you have experienced being born again, being washed by the blood of the lamb,you don't even have to wonder.
I'll be a prayin for ya.