Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple of Jesus Christ

[All for the Love]

Be Sensible wrote:

Don't waste your words. The saved ones do not need to be helped by the unsaved ones.
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Yes you are right.((we,the saved ones)) do not need the help of the JW's.

[All for the Love]

Loretta wrote:

well are you denying Gods word in the bible
look for yourself Col 1:15 he was Godsfirst born before all creation..
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LIke I have said before,thank you for pointing out this one little verse.
Now here is the rest of the story;

Col 1:9 ***For this cause we also, since the day we heard [it], do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;***

Col 1:10 (((That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing)),((being fruitful in every good work)), and ***increasing in the knowledge of God***;

Col 1:11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Col 1:13 ((Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath ((translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son)):

Col 1:14 ((In whom we have redemption through his blood,[even] the forgiveness of sins)):

Col 1:15 ((Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature)):

Col 1:16 ((For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers)):(((all things were created by him, and for him))):

Col 1:17 ((And he is before all things, and by him all things consist)).

Col 1:18 ((And he is the head of the body, the church:))((who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead)); ((that in all [things] he might have the preeminence)).

Col 1:19 For it pleased [the Father](((that in him)))((should all fulness dwell));

Col 1:20 And,((having made peace through the blood of his cross)),((by him to reconcile all things unto himself)); (by him),[I say],((whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.))
I find it odd that y'all just post one iddy biddy verse and leave out so much more.
Do you actually think I am going to read just that one verse??
One verse does not tell the whole meanimng.

[All for the Love]

Student I want to know wrote:

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I knew this way before I knew of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Did you study history in school? Maybe they did not teach history in your part of the country!!

Student,no you didn't know this way.
If you did you would not have been so easy a target for the JW's.
To know this way,you would have it in your heart,and by your actions,you prove that you never knew God's way.
Say what you mwant about me,personal attacks about my education and the place I live does not hurt me.
It just show's what little love you have in your heart towards someone that disagree's with you false doctrine.
The only reason I came to this forum was to protect God's Word in which you have no respect for.And to try to keep people like you from leading someone straight to HELL!!!
If the JW's had respect for God's Word they would have not added and taken away from His Word.

[Debrasurfs]

Student I want to know wrote:

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Okay student, you are provoking with your words, and I can't stand it, which is why I left. However, I cannot stand to see you gang up on All for Love, either, so I am returning.
What difference does it make whether it is earth or world? Perhaps they both mean the same thing, or perhaps the word earth means another earth? So Matthew doesn't agree with Psalms. So what did you do, just throw Matthew out? You can't do that! If you notice, 2 Peter 3:13 says
But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Now what does that mean? I don't know. But, I do know this. I can't just say "Oh, I don't know what this means, so I guess I'll throw it out or change it." It was written this way and that is the way it should stay.
If you want to know my personal thoughts on this verse, I would say it means what it means. There will be a new heavens and new earth. Where? I don't know. Right now, I don't need to know. I just need to believe that these words are true. Do these words contradict Psalms? Not necessarily. Perhaps a new heavens and new earth is a what Psalms is talking about. They will not pass away. In all honesty, we all really don't know. The point is.....you cannot change something just because it doesn't make sense at the moment. Perhaps that is God's way of sealing the word. I do not think that we as humans have a full understanding of the bible. I also don't think that God requires us to fully understand the bible in order to be saved. We simply have to believe in the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. For you to say the bible does not harmonize with itself is very dangerous and is a statement I would expect out of Satan. Think about it. What better way for Satan to deceive people. "The bible is not written well!" "This is what it should say!" Wow. I don't think you realize the full extent of what you said in this post. If you truly believe the bible the word of God, there should be no need to change the bible, or leave out verses, period.

[All for the Love]

Debrasurfs wrote:

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Okay student, you are provoking with your words, and I can't stand it, which is why I left. However, I cannot stand to see you gang up on All for Love, either, so I am returning.
What difference does it make whether it is earth or world? Perhaps they both mean the same thing, or perhaps the word earth means another earth? So Matthew doesn't agree with Psalms. So what did you do, just throw Matthew out? You can't do that! If you notice, 2 Peter 3:13 says
But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Now what does that mean? I don't know. But, I do know this. I can't just say "Oh, I don't know what this means, so I guess I'll throw it out or change it." It was written this way and that is the way it should stay.
If you want to know my personal thoughts on this verse, I would say it means what it means. There will be a new heavens and new earth. Where? I don't know. Right now, I don't need to know. I just need to believe that these words are true. Do these words contradict Psalms? Not necessarily. Perhaps a new heavens and new earth is a what Psalms is talking about. They will not pass away. In all honesty, we all really don't know. The point is.....you cannot change something just because it doesn't make sense at the moment. Perhaps that is God's way of sealing the word. I do not think that we as humans have a full understanding of the bible. I also don't think that God requires us to fully understand the bible in order to be saved. We simply have to believe in the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. For you to say the bible does not harmonize with itself is very dangerous and is a statement I would expect out of Satan. Think about it. What better way for Satan to deceive people. "The bible is not written well!" "This is what it should say!" Wow. I don't think you realize the full extent of what you said in this post. If you truly believe the bible the word of God, there should be no need to change the bible, or leave out verses, period.

God bless you Debra
I will post on the next one.

[All for the Love]

Debra,the thing is,is that's what faith is all about.
There are some things that we can't u8nderstand,but as long as we have faith,we don't have to worry about it.
Looky what I found;
Revelation 21
King James Bible

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2(( And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem)),(((coming down from God out of heaven))), prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,((Behold, the ((tabernacle)) of God is with men))), and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 ((And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes)); and there shall be (no more death),(neither sorrow),(nor crying),(neither shall there be any more pain):(((for the former things are passed away))).

Does that not touch you?
It's a wonderful message of comfort.

[headintheclouds]

TACAN DAN wrote:

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These Jehovah's Witness defenders are right where SATAN wants them.
They are deceived and they are a cult.
All of them are on their way to hell unless the call upon Jesus and repent.

Well, they would say the same about "worldy people". That they have been misled by satan. It's about having faith and doing so with conviction. That's why I said earlier that as much as this debate is interesting, I really don't think anyone is going to change positions.

[All for the Love]

Student,This was a parable.Though you made it plain to m and Debra when we were discussing Heee and the rich man a Lazurus that it was just a story a parable,well read this;
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire:
This is speaking of the end of the world.
Yes,it is a parable,but surely you can see it matches up with the scriptures in Rev.
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[All for the Love]

discussing hell

[All for the Love]

Student,read this;
Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

He prophecies that the Gentiles will be partakers with the Jews of God's promise.

He will regenerate them anew with his Spirit, and restore them to the image of God.
Psalms 96:10-13
10 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

11 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.

12 Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice

13 Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

96:10-13 We are to hope and pray for that time, when Christ shall reign in righteousness over all nations. He shall rule in the hearts of men, by the power of truth, and the Spirit of righteousness. His coming draws nigh; this King, this Judge standeth before the door, but he is not yet come. The Lord will accept the praises of all who seek to promote the kingdom of Christ. The sea can but roar, and how the trees of the wood can show that they rejoice we know not; but He that searches the heart knows what is the mind of the Spirit, and understands the words, the broken language of the weakest. Christ will come to judge the earth, to execute just vengeance on his enemies, and to fulfil his largest promises to his people. What then are we? Would that day be welcome to us? If this be not our case, let us now begin to prepare to meet our God, by seeking the pardon of our sins, and the renewal of our souls to holiness.

[Student I want to know]

All for the Love wrote:

<quoted text>Psalm 37:11
Geneva Study Bible
But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Wesley's Notes
37:11 But - Those who patiently bear God's afflicting hand, and meekly pass by injuries. Peace - Partly of outward peace and prosperity, which ((God **in his due time*** will give them:))) but principally of (((inward peace))), in the sense of God's favour and (((the assurance of endless happiness.)))
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
37:7-20 Let us be satisfied that God will make all to work for good to us. Let us not discompose ourselves at what we see in this world.(((A fretful, discontented spirit is open to many temptations.))) For, in all respects,((the little which is allotted to the righteous)), is more comfortable and more profitable ((than the ill-gotten and abused riches of ungodly men)). It comes from a hand of special love. God provides plentifully and well, not only for his working servants,(The saved) but for his waiting servants. They have that which is better than wealth,(( peace of mind,)) peace with God, and then ((peace in God)); that ***peace which the world cannot give***, and which **the world cannot have**.**God knows the believer's days**.**Not one day's work shall go unrewarded**. Their time on earth is reckoned by days,((which will soon be numbered)); ((((but heavenly happiness shall be for ever)))).***This will be a real support to believers in evil times***.((Those that rest on the Rock of ages, have no reason to envy the wicked the support of their broken reeds)).
You get it???
Peace of mind.

This commentary has nothing to do with the meek person. In the Bible, meekness is emphasized as one’s mental attitude first of all toward God, then toward fellow creatures. It is written:“The meek ones will certainly increase their rejoicing in Jehovah himself.”—Isaiah 29:19

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[Student I want to know]

Part 2

Meek persons are teachable—Jehovah “will teach the meek ones his way”—Psalms 25:9—and they are willing to endure discipline from the hand of God, though such is grievous at the time.—Hebrews 12:4-11

Meekness causes persons to wait upon Jehovah to right the wrongs and injuries unjustly suffered, instead of becoming heated up with anger—Psalms 37:8-11. Such persons are not disappointed, for Jehovah’s appointed one, the “twig out of the stump of Jesse,” will give reproof in righteousness “in behalf of the meek ones of the earth.”—Isaiah 11:1-4.

Moses was just such a man,“by far the meekest of all the men who were upon the surface of the ground,” one who could take criticism without resentment.—Numbers 12:3. The occasion of this comment on his meekness was the time when Mirian and Aaron murmured against Moses. In reality, it was an uncalled-for complaint against Jehovah and one that he quickly took note of and reproved.—Numbers 12:1-15.

[Student I want to know]

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Jesus demonstrated meekness by enduring all manner of personal injury without a word of complaint, even allowing himself to led to slaughter as a lamb without opening his mouth in protest.—Philippians 2:5-8—Hebrews 12:2—Acts 8:32-35—Isaiah 53:7

This greater-then-Moses also recommended himself to others as a meek or mild-tempered person.—Matthew 11:28, 29.

As Isaiah 61:1 foretold, he was anointed with Jehovah’s spirit “to tell good news to the meek ones.” After reading this prophecy in the synagogue of his hometown of Nazareth, Jesus declared:“Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled.”—Luke 4:16-21

In thus sending his beloved Son to teach meek concerning salvation, God was indeed showing them very special favor.—Psalms 149:4—Proverbs 3:34.

The invitation expressed by the prophet Zephaniah is still extended to meek persons of the earth:“Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness [or humbleness; humility]. Probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger.”—Zephaniah 2:3

[Student I want to know]

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Above and beyond that are other wonderful promises extended to such ones. For example:“The meek ones themselves will posses the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.”—Psalms 37:11. In both a spiritual and a literal sense,“the meek ones will eat and be satisfied.”—Psalms 22:26.

So, in contrast with the wicked who lead the meek astray and seek to destroy them.—Amos 2:7; 8:4, Jehovah listens to their heartfelt desires by answering their prayers; their hope in Jehovah is not disappointed.—Psalms 10:17; 9:18. It is a true proverb,“Better is it to be lowly in spirit with the meek ones than to divide spoil with the self-exalted ones.”—Proverbs 16:19.

So, in reality the world will not be destroyed, as Jehovah’s word says:“The meek ones themselves will posses the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.”—Psalms 37:11

[Student I want to know]

All for the Love wrote:

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YES,
God destroyed Sodom and Gamorrah for sure.
What your problem is,is that God's word uses Sodom and Gamorrah as an example of what God's wrath can do.
Throughout Bible history Sodom and Gomorrah have stood out as important examples of God's punishment on sin. Jesus even used these cities to reveal His coming in Luke 17:28-30. "It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 'It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot's wife!' " (Luke 17:28-32 NIV). The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are a warning to our own society as it goes about its business, all the while rejecting and disobeying God.
Now as for Babylon,no man has ever lived there as the Word of God say's.Babylon is now known as Iraq.A part of Iraq that no one lives in till this day.
I actually seen on a history show that Sadam Hussain had a huge palace built where Babylon was,but because he knew what the scriptures said about no one would dwell there and so,he had another place built on the other side of the river.He never lived in the Palace where Babylon was.
The palace still remains there.

I have no problem with Jehovah inspired word using Sodom and Gomorrah as an example, as Jude says in verse 7—So too Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them, after they in the same manner as the foregoing ones had committed fornication excessively and gone out after flesh for unnatural use, are placed before [us] as a [warning] example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire.

But like I posted earlier, is the fire still burning?

Jesus says in Luke 11:29—But on the day that Lot came out of Sodom it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and DESTROYED THEM ALL.

[correction for blind eyes]

You know what we all fight the same wars. Yes, some have doctrines, yes some follow man's standards, but the reality of it is, is that we all serve the same God. We are all saved no matter what "religion" with God. You can challenge me on that topic all day long, you'll find that as much as we ourselves are so determined to criticize and judge our brothers and sisters God is judging us as well. We forget that we serve the same God, righteous, just, merciful, and loving God. Regardless of what WE think about who's going to Hell/Heaven we forget we don't make that decision. We are all serving the same God. Yes, I understand what the bible says about religion and the only way to Christ, but to go along with that is it's not our decision. The bible also tells us that some peoples hearts are determined for doom regardless of how much we pour out into them, Jesus himself predicts it in Revelations. So start walking in brotherly love and forget each other's differences because,"God knows our hearts." Which is exactly why he's trying to change us. Our hearts are darkened by sin, so we all sin. Move on for the Kingdom any which way.

[All for the Love]

Student I want to know wrote:

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This commentary has nothing to do with the meek person. In the Bible, meekness is emphasized as one’s mental attitude first of all toward God, then toward fellow creatures. It is written:“The meek ones will certainly increase their rejoicing in Jehovah himself.”—Isaiah 29:19
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Well,This is part of what I posted;

King James Bible
((The meek)) also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel))).
Do not trell me this has nothing to do with the meek.

37:11 But -((Those who patiently bear God's afflicting hand, and ((meekly pass by injuries)). Peace -((Partly of outward peace and prosperity)) which ((God **in his due time*** will give them:))) but principally of (((inward peace))),
This is not about the Meek's attutude?

Again,this has nothing to do with the attitude of the meek?
Seem's you alway's find fault in anything I post.
Wewll,just quit posting to mefor their is no debate if you think you know it all.
I am wasting my time debating someone who act's as if no one but you and the rest of the JW's
will be saved.
Your gonna be so very dissapointed.
The Seventh day adventest claim they are also the remnant along with the Mormons.
Who do you think is right??
I think it is just as God's word say's.
Out of the twelve tribes of Israel.
To deny that,you deny God's Word.
Don't bother posting back,I have had enough of your lies.Blasphemimg and foolishment.
The only ones going to live with the Lord will be the saved.Whosoever calla upon the namwe of the Lord shall be saved.
YOU GET THAT????
WHOSOEVER.
FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD,HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON,THAT ((WHOSOEVER)) BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT PARISH,BUT HAVE (((EVERLASTING LIFE))

VERILY VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN.
HE WAS NOT SAYING THAT TO ONE OF THE JW's.
HE WAS SAYING THAT TO NICODEMUS

[TACAN DAN]

All for the Love wrote:

<quoted text>Good to see you Dan.
I will tell you one thing,these people have really been decieved.
Satan has been hard at work and is working harder than ever.
He know's time is short.Well,this just came to my mind Dan,
Matthew 24:11-14
11 ((And many false prophets shall rise)),((and shall deceive many)). 12 And because iniquity shall abound,((the love of many shall wax cold.)) 13 ((But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come)).
This about sums it up.
People better be a takin heed.
God bless you Dan,keep up the good work by warning people.

God bless you.

I think you will enjoy seeing this. I did!!

But I warn you, this is only for REAL Christians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[TACAN DAN]

ANYONE who uses the word, "jehovah" in their post, needs to start with, "once upon a time."

[All for the Love]

correction for blind eyes wrote:

You know what we all fight the same wars. Yes, some have doctrines, yes some follow man's standards, but the reality of it is, is that we all serve the same God. We are all saved no matter what "religion" with God. You can challenge me on that topic all day long, you'll find that as much as we ourselves are so determined to criticize and judge our brothers and sisters God is judging us as well. We forget that we serve the same God, righteous, just, merciful, and loving God. Regardless of what WE think about who's going to Hell/Heaven we forget we don't make that decision. We are all serving the same God. Yes, I understand what the bible says about religion and the only way to Christ, but to go along with that is it's not our decision. The bible also tells us that some peoples hearts are determined for doom regardless of how much we pour out into them, Jesus himself predicts it in Revelations. So start walking in brotherly love and forget each other's differences because,"God knows our hearts." Which is exactly why he's trying to change us. Our hearts are darkened by sin, so we all sin. Move on for the Kingdom any which way.

Well,if you think that will get you to Heaven,more power to ya.
Not Everyone Who Says "Lord, Lord" Will Enter the Kingdom
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"
23 And then I will declare to them,(("I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."))((( FALSE PROPHET'S))
Unless a person has that spiritual birth they are not saved.
God's Word say's ((Whosoever)) call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
That means we all have the chance.
But we must believe with all our heart mind and soul.