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Since: Nov 07

Mars

#40490 Apr 7, 2014
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Correction: I had said that Baal, Ashtoreth, and Tammuz, are found in numerous scriptures, but I meant to say "Baal, Ashtoreth, and Molek."
And I'd like to include this little tidbit, if we don't mind, as it's interesting how this all ties together.
As I had mentioned, Jupiter, Opis, or Ops, and Saturn, were worshiped by the Romans as a so-called "trinity," or "triune god." The so-called "Father" was represented by Jupiter, the so-called "Mother of God" and "Queen of Heaven" was represented by Opis, or Ops, and the so-called "Son" was represented by Saturn.
Now, the festival that honored the so-called "Son," Saturn, was called "Saturnalia," or the "Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun," observed on December 25th if I remember correctly. When Catholicism adopted a so-called "trinity" as their own, they too adopted the festival called "Saturnalia," but soon called it "Christmas." And as Saturnalia was to celebrate the so-called "Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun," Christmas was to celebrate the so-called "Birthday of the Unconquerable Son!"
2Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Saturnalia was celebrated over the solstice from the 17th to the 23rd of December. But your point is correct. That festival was co-opted by Christians as was Easter (from the feast of the pagan goddess).

Note that Saturnalia was celebrated with the bringing in of evergreen branches, decorations of lights and Easter (Eoster, Ostara, etc) was celebrated (as befitting a fertility goddess) with eggs, chicks, bunnies, etc.

No sense giving up on a perfectly good holiday when one can simply alter the meaning a bit, or so the thinking ran.

Holidays, feasts, and celebrations, like the Sabbath itself, were made for man and not for Yahweh.
lovewithin

Denver, CO

#40491 Apr 7, 2014
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>

Correction: I had said that Baal, Ashtoreth, and Tammuz, are found in numerous scriptures, but I meant to say "Baal, Ashtoreth, and Molek."
And I'd like to include this little tidbit, if we don't mind, as it's interesting how this all ties together.
As I had mentioned, Jupiter, Opis, or Ops, and Saturn, were worshiped by the Romans as a so-called "trinity," or "triune god." The so-called "Father" was represented by Jupiter, the so-called "Mother of God" and "Queen of Heaven" was represented by Opis, or Ops, and the so-called "Son" was represented by Saturn.
Now, the festival that honored the so-called "Son," Saturn, was called "Saturnalia," or the "Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun," observed on December 25th if I remember correctly. When Catholicism adopted a so-called "trinity" as their own, they too adopted the festival called "Saturnalia," but soon called it "Christmas." And as Saturnalia was to celebrate the so-called "Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun," Christmas was to celebrate the so-called "Birthday of the Unconquerable Son!"

2Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
That scripture fits the cult 'Jehovah witnesses. They are a cult.

You sure spend a lot of time studying garbage,...it sounds like you wasted a number of years digging up history on gods and godesess and history on catholics , jw,s, and all religions........

On your judgement ..day God is not going to ask you what all the knowledge you have !

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#40492 Apr 7, 2014
lovewithin wrote:
<quoted text>
That scripture fits the cult 'Jehovah witnesses. They are a cult.
You sure spend a lot of time studying garbage,...it sounds like you wasted a number of years digging up history on gods and godesess and history on catholics , jw,s, and all religions........
On your judgement ..day God is not going to ask you what all the knowledge you have !

Oh, there is benefit in spiritual knowledge, if it does not become an ego thing. Knowing about the religions and beliefs of humans is helpful because we know the one true religion is not that.

There is no harm in celebrating Christmas, no matter its origins, because of the meaning we give to it NOW. What is in our heart is what it is about.
lovewithin

Denver, CO

#40493 Apr 7, 2014
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, there is benefit in spiritual knowledge, if it does not become an ego thing. Knowing about the religions and beliefs of humans is helpful because we know the one true religion is not that.
There is no harm in celebrating Christmas, no matter its origins, because of the meaning we give to it NOW. What is in our heart is what it is about.
Spiritual Knowledge yes of "Heavenly Father".....I agree and keeping in the heart ...by all means.

What benefit is it to know about god and godesess? who started what in the trinity concept?

I know there is no harm , whatsoever in celebrating Christmas, easter , birthdays, it is truly what is in our HEARTS ..yes.

We all waste our time on godless information (knowledge) while we don't do what God really wants us to do......Help the homeless, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless...helping our children get off the streets, drug addiction....teaching our children , SHOWING what God actually IS. That is the best knowledge we could give someone.

Some are too hungry, to cold, don't know what kindness is , poor, and just in despair, homeless, surrounding by violence......Some can't go to Jesus....we have to take Jesus to them..!

yon

Miami Beach, FL

#40494 Apr 7, 2014
Dogen wrote:
There is no harm in celebrating Christmas, no matter its origins, because of the meaning we give to it NOW. What is in our heart is what it is about.
It's like kids that say that they don't listen to the words of certain songs but just enjoy the melody.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#40495 Apr 7, 2014
lovewithin wrote:
<quoted text>
Spiritual Knowledge yes of "Heavenly Father".....I agree and keeping in the heart ...by all means.
What benefit is it to know about god and godesess? who started what in the trinity concept?
I know there is no harm , whatsoever in celebrating Christmas, easter , birthdays, it is truly what is in our HEARTS ..yes.
We all waste our time on godless information (knowledge) while we don't do what God really wants us to do......Help the homeless, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless...helping our children get off the streets, drug addiction....teaching our children , SHOWING what God actually IS. That is the best knowledge we could give someone.
Some are too hungry, to cold, don't know what kindness is , poor, and just in despair, homeless, surrounding by violence......Some can't go to Jesus....we have to take Jesus to them..!


We have some choices. Our brain gets hungry just like our bellies do. Better to feed it something that helps our spiritual understanding than to feed it garbage or nothing.

I work with people who are mentally ill or developmentally disabled. We do what we can. Taking care of the poor is a seemingly endless task. Maybe someday we will learn not to be so greedy and to do a better job helping others. That is very important.

lovewithin

Denver, CO

#40498 Apr 7, 2014
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
We have some choices. Our brain gets hungry just like our bellies do. Better to feed it something that helps our spiritual understanding than to feed it garbage or nothing.
I work with people who are mentally ill or developmentally disabled. We do what we can. Taking care of the poor is a seemingly endless task. Maybe someday we will learn not to be so greedy and to do a better job helping others. That is very important.
I agree , but if we all DO our part, their would be no homeless or hungry ..

.We might not have a tv in every room or 2 or 3 cars, we might not can give our children just every vedio game that comes out or just everything they want, a new car,$200 tennis shoes,
$200- 700 smart phones ......... try to out do the JONES'S!

.I could go on and on...as you know.

We could eliminate so much in our lives and help the ones without.
lovewithin

Denver, CO

#40499 Apr 7, 2014
Some info on the poor in the United States

http://youtu.be/wXsMqRvqowg
lovewithin

Denver, CO

#40502 Apr 7, 2014
Just a WISH , but it was heard !!

http://youtu.be/INCnCwOqwWk
lovewithin

Denver, CO

#40503 Apr 7, 2014
Student wrote:
Daily Text
Monday, April 7

Knowing in advance about this attack on God’s people does not make us overly anxious. Rather, our main concern is, not our own salvation, but the sanctification of Jehovah’s name and the vindication of his sovereignty.
You might better be worried about your SALVATION ...!!! Student! you cant earn it with your WORKS!!

God.......... can TAKE CARE of His NAME!

Jesus Christ is the NAME for SALVATION!!

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#40504 Apr 7, 2014
lovewithin wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree , but if we all DO our part, their would be no homeless or hungry ..
.We might not have a tv in every room or 2 or 3 cars, we might not can give our children just every vedio game that comes out or just everything they want, a new car,$200 tennis shoes,
$200- 700 smart phones ......... try to out do the JONES'S!
.I could go on and on...as you know.
We could eliminate so much in our lives and help the ones without.

If we took 50% of the wealth away from the top 1% we would have enough to eliminate all poverty, hunger and and curable medical problems.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#40505 Apr 7, 2014
lovewithin wrote:
You sure spend a lot of time studying garbage,...it sounds like you wasted a number of years digging up history on gods and godesess and history on catholics , jw,s, and all religions........
On your judgement ..day God is not going to ask you what all the knowledge you have !
"A religion is a cult that succeeded." - Unknown

"Cult: a small unpopular religion. Religion: a large popular cult." - Unknown

My studies of the Bible is what enticed and encouraged me to search out the truth of all that you call "garbage." Had it not been for the "garbage," I would have no knowledge, whatsoever, as to the origins of the so-called "trinity," or anything else for that matter. And as I believe...

'Elohiym won't care anything about the knowledge I've obtained throughout my life unless I did something profitable with it - like share it.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#40506 Apr 8, 2014
Brother Lee Love wrote:
'Elohiym won't care anything about the knowledge I've obtained throughout my life unless I did something profitable with it - like share it.
1Sam 2:3 "......for Yahweh is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed."

Astounding to me how people resist knowledge.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#40507 Apr 8, 2014
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>"A religion is a cult that succeeded." - Unknown
"Cult: a small unpopular religion. Religion: a large popular cult." - Unknown
My studies of the Bible is what enticed and encouraged me to search out the truth of all that you call "garbage." Had it not been for the "garbage," I would have no knowledge, whatsoever, as to the origins of the so-called "trinity," or anything else for that matter. And as I believe...
'Elohiym won't care anything about the knowledge I've obtained throughout my life unless I did something profitable with it - like share it.

One quibble. You are using cult in the historic sense and we are using it in the psychological manipulation sense.

yon

Miami Beach, FL

#40508 Apr 8, 2014
"One man's cult is another man's religion." - anonymous

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#40509 Apr 8, 2014
yon wrote:
"One man's cult is another man's religion." - anonymous

Often true in common usage.

Perhaps we should qualify what we mean by cult in the context of of our posts. Not using the word in some sort of objective way is little more than slander.

Being of a psychological background I am using the definition from that sphere. i.e. I am looking at groups that use psychological abuse or "mind control" in the way done in Jonestown, JW's, Christian Scientists, and to a lessor extent the Mormons, CoC, and others.
lovewithin

Denver, CO

#40510 Apr 8, 2014
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>"A religion is a cult that succeeded." - Unknown
"Cult: a small unpopular religion. Religion: a large popular cult." - Unknown
My studies of the Bible is what enticed and encouraged me to search out the truth of all that you call "garbage." Had it not been for the "garbage," I would have no knowledge, whatsoever, as to the origins of the so-called "trinity," or anything else for that matter. And as I believe...
'Elohiym won't care anything about the knowledge I've obtained throughout my life unless I did something profitable with it - like share it.
You really only pay attention to what you want , the negative or how incorrect they are.

I was NOT talking about studying the Bible .

The Bible says all 3 are as ONE....there is how the word "trinity" was born.

I love good useful knowledge.!

I was speaking mainly of useless knowledge on god and goddesses, maybe it is of interest to you ...then carry on .

BLL---you very well know what we are talking about when we say CULT...don't act like you don't .....just to be CORRECT. Your version was back in the 17th century....

I truly wished someone had gotten hold of the JIM JONES evil guy ..BEFORE he took so many lives.

Cult.......... a person or a group of people being in charge. You could definitely liken it to a dictatorship.
The people "on top" are in control of everything.

When new members are recruited they are not told what the group is really about, from the beginning.

They may think they know what the group is about and what will be expected of them, but they do not. Destructive cults are deceptive and manipulative.

They attempt to make people conform to being like the cult leader or leaders and their individuality is not encouraged. Many, many times cults twist scripture to use for their own gain.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#40511 Apr 8, 2014
Dogen wrote:
Perhaps we should qualify what we mean by cult in the context of of our posts. Not using the word in some sort of objective way is little more than slander.

Being of a psychological background I am using the definition from that sphere. i.e. I am looking at groups that use psychological abuse or "mind control" in the way done in Jonestown, JW's, Christian Scientists, and to a lessor extent the Mormons, CoC, and others.
I agree. There are groups and individuals who do nothing else with what little or misguided knowledge they have and attack, attack and attack. That is their devotion and are just as much cultish as others they accuse because of the "mind control" they are under - either directly from their organization or indirectly that they have devoted themselves to. They cannot be reasoned with.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#40513 Apr 8, 2014
yon wrote:
1Sam 2:3 "......for Yahweh is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed."
Astounding to me how people resist knowledge.
Agreed.

What's equally astounding is how people are more than comfortable allowing others to dictate and commentate to them the interpretation of the scriptures with little to no inquiries whatsoever. Someone says, "This verse mentions 'God,' Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, so it's obviously describing a 'trinity'," and the audience says, "'Trinity'. Got it. Thank you." And in the very next sentence, they'll use an illustration starring themselves, their wife, and their child, and not one person will say, "Hey! Another 'trinity'!"

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#40514 Apr 8, 2014
Dogen wrote:
One quibble. You are using cult in the historic sense and we are using it in the psychological manipulation sense.
Actually, I thought I was using the term "cult" in both, the historic and the psychologically manipulative sense.

A great majority of the religious are only religious because they were made a member of a religion at conception. Growing up, they adopted the religious beliefs of other's as their own, most of the time learning from loved-ones that they revered. Very few of the religious grew up in a household wherein a religious choice was permitted and encouraged. And growing up, one common theme became fundamental.

Don't believe as we do and eternal punishment awaits.

As I believe, that either, is, or borderlines on the perfect description of a cult.

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