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“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#37255 Dec 15, 2013
BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA wrote:
<quoted text>
sir
you babale with christianity hate and scorpion venom
true believers never do this like you are doing constantly,
instead see without of bias reality,you are blind unsaved cyber troll,
not having clue that this thread is JW thread,and all yours and like yours posters are just only spams having null effect to expose false leadership in Watchtower Society and world devil pagan christianity, existing like deadly foaming parasities poisoning whole mankind past 2000 years.
look at mankind spiritual fruits,fruits of rotten morality,dead fruits, residing on every corenr of this earth,like disease,poison of moral humn Gods dignity,
you are blind sir,like many ot those christianity followers,
I can assure you that normal members of JW,are far far far way from such abomination and dung or christian world filthy morality.
sorry
I say the truth around,and doesn't care,what you think,or others,or even Student,
none of you are my brothers.
But I see in Student friend of my who belongs to great crowd future holy citizens of new earth.
But I don't see you and WW or many others like you guys,without of GODS GRACE ,YOU ARE LOST,UNSAVED AND CONDEMN BY GOD
Rev 9;16....doesn't allow me to see among this number humans like you, WW,or christianity?

Sorry if I have offended your little cult. I guess Jesus was too hard on the Pharisees and money changers too.

JWs are the modern day Pharisees, having the outward trappings of religion but none of the spirit. I am saved and am going to heaven. I would like for you to be with me. But that is up to you.

Your cult will not get you there.
Bible True Jehovah Laws

Baltimore, MD

#37256 Dec 15, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry if I have offended your little cult. I guess Jesus was too hard on the Pharisees and money changers too.
JWs are the modern day Pharisees, having the outward trappings of religion but none of the spirit. I am saved and am going to heaven. I would like for you to be with me. But that is up to you.
Your cult will not get you there.
sorry
BTJ is not any cult,
it is Bible written by God YHVH (english Jehova) hIS LAWS WRITTEN TO HIS CHILDREN,NOT NECESSARY JW?

whrever your halucinations are,
heaven like Most Holy Tabernacle in ancient Mose time was only reserved for chosen Levities,
same today only High Priests spiritual Levities enter High heaven behind dark Curtain of Universe, before curtain on the earth will worship God only great crowd of spiritual Izraelities Rev 7;9

your behaviour and hates exclude you from the first fruits of 144000 spiritual Levities entering heaven, and exclude you from grate crowd spiritual Israelities worhip God before dark curtain Universe cover most Holy Gods Heaven tebernacle,

it is nothing new changed between OT and NT,
ONLY NT IS TO ALL EARTHLY HUMANS AND 144000 ARE CHOSEN NOT FROM EARTHLY ISRAEL AS EARTHLY PRIESTHOOD OF 14400 ENTERING HIGH HEAVENS,
BUT NT PROMISE TO ASSEMBLE 14400,rev 7;1-8, SPIRITUAL HOLY PRIESTS SPIRITUAL LEVITIES ENTER HIS TABERNACLE(HEAVENS)
AS HIS POSSESION, AND SECOND PROMISE IS GIVEN TO THE GREAT CROWD OF HUMANS SPIRITUAL NATION OF ISRAEL TO RESIDE ETERNALY ON THIS EARTH REV 7;9

But?seems to me,
you sir,don;t fit any group of them
also you live in delussions,halucinate and believe in something what doesn;t exist for you anyway
your behaviour is witness against you?

YOU ARE DECEIVED BY SATAN,HATER, AND MOCKER OF OTHER BELIEFS,
you got nothing and not appointed by God,
to seat on the chair of Judge,and judge organization members of JW OR OTHERS?

try to learn more personaly about JW, search on your own,don't allow to force you to their organization,but you can find really truth who they are, not Internet links or fake media full of Lies
May God bless you Dogen according to the mesaure of your own choices and beliefs

JUST TRY TO FOLLOW PSALM 51-17 to get Gods Mercy to count you by His grace to this second group of great crowd eternaly living on this future new earth,under new heaven government of 144000 Royal Family Kings- adopted Sons of God from this earth( spiritual Levities)
smile

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#37257 Dec 15, 2013
Bible True Jehovah Laws wrote:
<quoted text>
sorry
BTJ is not any cult,
it is Bible written by God YHVH (english Jehova) hIS LAWS WRITTEN TO HIS CHILDREN,NOT NECESSARY JW?
whrever your halucinations are,
heaven like Most Holy Tabernacle in ancient Mose time was only reserved for chosen Levities,
same today only High Priests spiritual Levities enter High heaven behind dark Curtain of Universe, before curtain on the earth will worship God only great crowd of spiritual Izraelities Rev 7;9
your behaviour and hates exclude you from the first fruits of 144000 spiritual Levities entering heaven, and exclude you from grate crowd spiritual Israelities worhip God before dark curtain Universe cover most Holy Gods Heaven tebernacle,
it is nothing new changed between OT and NT,
ONLY NT IS TO ALL EARTHLY HUMANS AND 144000 ARE CHOSEN NOT FROM EARTHLY ISRAEL AS EARTHLY PRIESTHOOD OF 14400 ENTERING HIGH HEAVENS,
BUT NT PROMISE TO ASSEMBLE 14400,rev 7;1-8, SPIRITUAL HOLY PRIESTS SPIRITUAL LEVITIES ENTER HIS TABERNACLE(HEAVENS)
AS HIS POSSESION, AND SECOND PROMISE IS GIVEN TO THE GREAT CROWD OF HUMANS SPIRITUAL NATION OF ISRAEL TO RESIDE ETERNALY ON THIS EARTH REV 7;9
But?seems to me,
you sir,don;t fit any group of them
also you live in delussions,halucinate and believe in something what doesn;t exist for you anyway
your behaviour is witness against you?
YOU ARE DECEIVED BY SATAN,HATER, AND MOCKER OF OTHER BELIEFS,
you got nothing and not appointed by God,
to seat on the chair of Judge,and judge organization members of JW OR OTHERS?
try to learn more personaly about JW, search on your own,don't allow to force you to their organization,but you can find really truth who they are, not Internet links or fake media full of Lies
May God bless you Dogen according to the mesaure of your own choices and beliefs
JUST TRY TO FOLLOW PSALM 51-17 to get Gods Mercy to count you by His grace to this second group of great crowd eternaly living on this future new earth,under new heaven government of 144000 Royal Family Kings- adopted Sons of God from this earth( spiritual Levities)
smile

The 144k is a metaphor descriptive of the literal tribes.

Jehova is not an English word. More correctly it is not a word at all but a translation error.

I only hate Satan, not those whom he has deluded.
Student

San José Del Cabo, Mexico

#37258 Dec 15, 2013
Daily Text
Monday, December 16

O Lord, I am conscious that a man’s way is not in himself: man has no power of guiding his steps.—Jer. 10:23,“The Bible in Basic English.”

Would it not be foolhardy for an inexperienced person to set off alone, without a skilled guide and not so much as a compass, hiking deep into an uncharted wilderness? Not knowing how to survive inhospitable conditions in the wild and not having the expertise to find his way safely to his destination, he would be put...ting his life in jeopardy. So, too, the person who thinks he can direct his course through this wicked world without allowing God to show him the right way is placing his life in grave danger. The only chance we have of traversing this system of things successfully is to make the same prayerful request to Jehovah that David did:“Let my steps take hold on your tracks, in which my footsteps will certainly not be made to totter.”—Ps. 17:5; 23:3.(Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)
Student

Juárez, Mexico

#37259 Dec 15, 2013
Whose Worship Does God Accept?
HAVE you ever wondered,‘Whose worship does God accept?’ A certain woman may have had such a question come to her mind when she spoke with Jesus Christ near Mount Gerizim in Samaria. Calling attention to a difference between the worship of the Samaritans and that of the Jews, she said:“Our forefathers worshiped in this mountain; but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where persons ought to worship.”(John 4:20) Did Jesus tell the Samaritan woman that God accepts all worship? Or did he say that specific things are required to please God?

Jesus’ startling reply was:“The hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you people worship the Father.”(John 4:21) The Samaritans had long feared Jehovah and had worshiped other gods on Mount Gerizim.(2 Kings 17:33) Now Jesus Christ said that neither that place nor Jerusalem would be important in true worship.
Student

Juárez, Mexico

#37260 Dec 15, 2013
WORSHIP WITH SPIRIT AND TRUTH
Jesus went on to tell the Samaritan woman:“You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation originates with the Jews.”(John 4:22) The Samaritans had false religious ideas and accepted only the first five books of the Bible as inspired—and these solely in their own recension known as the Samaritan Pentateuch. Therefore, they did not really know God. However, the Jews had been entrusted with Scriptural knowledge.(Romans 3:1, 2) The Scriptures gave faithful Jews and any others who would listen what they needed in order to know God.

Actually, Jesus showed that both Jews and Samaritans would have to adjust their way of worship so as to please God. He said:“The hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”(John 4:23, 24) To worship God “with spirit,” we must have his spirit and be guided by that spirit. It is possible to worship God ‘with truth’ by studying his Word, the Bible, and by worshiping him according to his revealed truth. Are you eager to do that?

Jesus emphasized that God wants true worship. This shows that there are forms of worship unacceptable to Jehovah. To worship God means to give him reverent honor and to render sacred service to him. If you wanted to show honor to a powerful ruler, likely you would be eager to serve him and do what would please him. Surely, then, we want to please God. Rather than merely say,‘My religion suits me,’ we therefore need to make sure that our worship meets God’s requirements.
Student

Puerto Peñasco, Mexico

#37261 Dec 15, 2013
DOING THE WILL OF THE FATHER
Let us read Matthew 7:21-23 and see if we can isolate a crucial factor that determines whether all worship is acceptable to God. Jesus said:“Not everyone saying to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons [wicked spirit creatures] in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.”

Acknowledging Jesus Christ as Lord is essential in true worship. But something would be missing in the worship of many of those claiming to be Jesus’ disciples. He said that some would perform “powerful works,” such as supposed miraculous healings. However, they would fail to do what Jesus said is vital. They would not be “doing the will of [his] Father.” If we want to please God, we must learn what the will of the Father is and then do it.
Student

Juárez, Mexico

#37262 Dec 15, 2013
ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE—A PROTECTION
Doing God’s will requires an accurate knowledge of both Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. Such knowledge leads to everlasting life. Surely, then, all of us will want to take seriously the matter of gaining accurate knowledge from God’s Word, the Bible. Some say that there is no need for concern as long as we are sincere and zealous in our worship. Others claim,‘The less you know, the less is expected of you.’ Yet, the Bible encourages us to increase in the knowledge of God and his purposes.—Ephesians 4:13; Philippians 1:9; Colossians 1:9.

Such knowledge is a protection against contamination of our worship. The apostle Paul spoke of a certain spirit creature who pretends to be “an angel of light.”(2 Corinthians 11:14) Thus disguised, this spirit creature—Satan—tries to mislead us into doing things contrary to God’s will. Other spirit creatures associated with Satan have also been polluting people’s worship, for Paul said:“The things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God.”(1 Corinthians 10:20) Likely, many have thought they were worshiping in the right way, although they were not doing what God wanted. They were being misled into unclean false worship. We will learn more about Satan and the demons later, but these enemies of God have definitely been polluting mankind’s worship.

If you knew that someone had deliberately poisoned your water supply, would you go on drinking from it? Surely, you would take immediate action to find a source of safe, pure water. Well, an accurate knowledge of God’s Word equips us to identify true religion and to reject impurities that make worship unacceptable to God.
Student

Juárez, Mexico

#37263 Dec 15, 2013
COMMANDS OF MEN AS DOCTRINES
When Jesus was on earth, many Jews did not act in accord with accurate knowledge of God. They therefore lost the opportunity to have a clean standing before Jehovah. Concerning them, Paul wrote:“I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge.”(Romans 10:2) They decided for themselves how to worship God instead of listening to what he said.

The Israelites originally practiced God-given pure religion, but it became contaminated with teachings and philosophies of men.(Jeremiah 8:8, 9; Malachi 2:8, 9; Luke 11:52) Although the Jewish religious leaders known as Pharisees thought their worship was acceptable to God, Jesus told them:“Isaiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites, as it is written,‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach as doctrines commands of men.’”—Mark 7:6, 7.

Is it possible that we might do as the Pharisees did? This could happen if we followed religious traditions handed down to us instead of examining what God has said about worship. Warning of this very real danger, Paul wrote:“The inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons.”(1 Timothy 4:1) So it is not enough merely to assume that our worship pleases God. Like the Samaritan woman who met Jesus, we may have inherited our way of worship from our parents. But we need to be certain that we are doing things that meet with God’s approval.
Student

San José Del Cabo, Mexico

#37264 Dec 15, 2013
GUARD AGAINST OFFENDING GOD
Unless we are careful, we may do something unacceptable to God. For example, the apostle John fell at the feet of an angel “to worship him.” But the angel warned:“Be careful! Do not do that! All I am is a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing to Jesus. Worship God.”(Revelation 19:10) Do you therefore see the need to make sure that your worship is not contaminated by any kind of idolatry?—1 Corinthians 10:14.

When some Christians began to practice religious customs that did not please God, Paul asked:“How is it that you are turning back again to the weak and beggarly elementary things and want to slave for them over again? You are scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that somehow I have toiled to no purpose respecting you.”(Galatians 4:8-11) Those individuals had gained a knowledge of God but later erred by observing religious customs and holy days that were unacceptable to Jehovah. As Paul said, we need to “keep on making sure of what is acceptable to the Lord.”—Ephesians 5:10.

We must make sure that we avoid religious holidays and other customs that violate God’s principles.(1 Thessalonians 5:21) For instance, Jesus said of his followers:“They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.”(John 17:16) Is your religion involved in ceremonies and holidays that violate the principle of neutrality toward this world’s affairs? Or do adherents of your religion sometimes share in customs and festivals that may involve conduct matching that described by the apostle Peter? He wrote:“The time that has passed by is sufficient for you to have worked out the will of the nations when you proceeded in deeds of loose conduct, lusts, excesses with wine, revelries, drinking matches, and illegal idolatries.”—1 Peter 4:3.

The apostle John emphasized the need to avoid any practices that reflect the spirit of the ungodly world around us. John wrote:“Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.”(1 John 2:15-17) Did you notice that those who ‘do the will of God’ will remain forever? Yes, if we do God’s will and avoid activities that reflect this world’s spirit, we can have the hope of everlasting life!
Student

San José Del Cabo, Mexico

#37265 Dec 15, 2013
KEEP GOD’S HIGH STANDARDS

God wants as his worshipers those who comply with his high moral standards. Some in ancient Corinth mistakenly thought that God would tolerate immoral behavior. We can see how wrong they were by reading 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10. If we are to worship God acceptably, we must please him in word and deed. Is your form of worship enabling you to do that?—Matthew 15:8; 23:1-3.

Our dealings with other people should also reflect God’s standards. Jesus Christ encouraged us to treat others as we would like to have them treat us, for this is part of true worship.(Matthew 7:12) Note what he also said about displaying brotherly love:“By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”(John 13:35) Jesus’ disciples must love one another and do what is good toward fellow worshipers and others.—Galatians 6:10.

WHOLE-SOULED WORSHIP

In your heart, you may want to worship God acceptably. If so, you must have Jehovah’s view of worship. The disciple James emphasized that it is God’s viewpoint that is important, not ours. James said:“The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.”(James 1:27) With a desire to please God, each of us needs to examine our worship to make sure that it is not contaminated by ungodly practices or that we are not omitting something that he considers vital.—James 1:26.

Only clean, whole-souled worship pleases Jehovah.(Matthew 22:37; Colossians 3:23) When the nation of Israel gave God less than that, he said:“A son, for his part, honors a father; and a servant, his grand master. So if I am a father, where is the honor to me? And if I am a grand master, where is the fear of me?” They were offending God by offering him blind, lame, and sick animals in sacrifice, and he rejected such acts of worship.(Malachi 1:6-8) Jehovah is worthy of the purest form of worship and accepts nothing less than exclusive devotion.—Exodus 20:5; Proverbs 3:9; Revelation 4:11.

The Samaritan woman who spoke with Jesus was seemingly interested in worshiping God in the divinely approved way. If that is our desire, we will avoid all contaminating teachings and practices.(2 Corinthians 6:14-18) Instead, we will exert ourselves to get an accurate knowledge of God and do his will. We will adhere closely to his requirements for acceptable worship.(1 Timothy 2:3, 4) Jehovah’s Witnesses are striving to do just that, and they warmly urge you to share with them in worshiping God “with spirit and truth.”(John 4:24) Jesus said:“The Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him.”(John 4:23) It is hoped that you are such a person. Like that Samaritan woman, undoubtedly you would like to have everlasting life.(John 4:13-15)(ki p. 52)
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#37266 Dec 16, 2013
Just dropped by to see and couldn't resist to add

ARE YOU PART OF SOME GROUP THAT FITS THE FOLLOWING?

http://www.chocd.org/conclusions.html

The ________ denomination uses four main tactics in debating their pet doctrines. These tactics are generally used by all cultic groups. They are:

1. Change the subject
2. Take scripture out of context
3. Straw man arguments
4. Ad hominem attacks (attacking you instead of the issue)

The way to counter these tactics is very simple: Stay on the subject until you are allowed to make your point! And remember, your opinion is no better than their opinion. Base all of your conclusions on the Final Authority… God's Word!

Are They A Cult?

Years ago the Lord gave us (FQM) an acronym for cults:

C. Claim to be The Only True Christians
U. Unorthodox Extra-biblical Revelation
L. Lying Leaders (History/Doctrine)
T. THE Way (Salvation is found only in their organization)
S. Salvation By Works (obedience to ordinances such as baptism)

As you can see the only area that the ________ denomination doesn't qualify for the title is that they don't have any unorthodox extra-biblical revelation that they would put on par with God's Word. But, they do:

1. Claim to be the Only True Christians
2. Lie about their history, by claiming that they can trace their roots to the day of Pentecost in the second chapter of Acts. They also mislead people about some of their doctrines, by not telling prospective members what they really believe up front (Billy Graham is a deceiver and they are the only "true" Christians so everyone else is going to hell?).
3. They are the one and only true "Body of Christ." No one goes to the Father outside of their denomination!
4. Their salvation occurs the moment they "DO" their part and get baptized. And you must recognize that it is the baptism that remits your sins, or it is of no effect!

My personal relationship with Jesus Christ has been one of great sorrows but even greater joys. Ironically, when I became a member of the _________ denomination, my father's side of the family basically disowned me because they were mostly atheists. But then when I left the _________ denomination, I became the "black sheep of the family" on my mother's side, because they were all from the _______ denomination! But I have never regretted the decision, and I never will. The love, joy and peace that I have found in a personal intimate relationship with Jesus, far surpasses what any list of "DOs and DON'Ts" could ever offer!

Our biggest concern for our brothers and sisters in the _________ denomination is the snare of legalism. The ________ denomination seems to be more concerned with the length of your hair than they are the condition of your heart. They tend to strain gnats and swallow camels. They seem to be more concerned with peripheral things and miss the weightier matters. I have seen _________ denominations that knew some members were molesting members of the church and nothing was done about it, but GOD FORBID if anyone puts up a Christmas tree! There just doesn't seem to be any balance.

The ________ denomination claims to be an exact duplicate of the original New Testament church. When you point out how radically different they really are from the original NT church, they blow it off and say,“That was then, this is now.” Well, then don’t claim to be a duplicate of the early church. Facsimile? Maybe. Duplicate? No way.

The bottom line is........ It's the blood that remits sin, for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. Even if baptism was essential, 99% of the protestant church is baptized, so like Hebrews 6 says, let's move on! We baptize every single new believer, just like the Lord told us to. But after the baptism, we teach the new convert to move on to maturity. Why keep looking back at your baptism, when you should be looking forward to Jesus.

Too many churches concentrate on the Body of Christ (the church) instead of its Head. It's all about JESUS!

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#37267 Dec 16, 2013
Scroll Button time again.

Since: Aug 11

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#37268 Dec 16, 2013
Except the last post. I would have replied directly but I couldn't bring myself to delete one word.

That's the single best post so far.

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#37269 Dec 16, 2013
yon wrote:
Just dropped by to see and couldn't resist to add
ARE YOU PART OF SOME GROUP THAT FITS THE FOLLOWING?
http://www.chocd.org/conclusions.html

The bottom line is........ It's the blood that remits sin, for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. Even if baptism was essential, 99% of the protestant church is baptized, so like Hebrews 6 says, let's move on! We baptize every single new believer, just like the Lord told us to. But after the baptism, we teach the new convert to move on to maturity. Why keep looking back at your baptism, when you should be looking forward to Jesus.
Too many churches concentrate on the Body of Christ (the church) instead of its Head. It's all about JESUS!
Exactly.
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#37270 Dec 16, 2013
(ran out of space)

"What do the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, and the Church of Christ denomination all have in common? They each claim to have THE Way; THE Truth; and THE Life, and that no one gets to heaven without being a part of their organization! Certainly they can't all be right since their individual doctrinal beliefs are diametrically opposed to one another.........."

http://www.chocd.org/
yon

Miami Beach, FL

#37271 Dec 16, 2013
The major question becomes, did Messiah and his apostles institute a new religion and when did the early Jewish church start ignoring most if not all of the "Old Testament" that led to the development of the Catholic and her Protestant offshoots(including jw's) version of what we call Christianity?

Since: Aug 11

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#37272 Dec 16, 2013
yon wrote:
(ran out of space)
"What do the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, and the Church of Christ denomination all have in common? They each claim to have THE Way; THE Truth; and THE Life, and that no one gets to heaven without being a part of their organization! Certainly they can't all be right since their individual doctrinal beliefs are diametrically opposed to one another.........."
http://www.chocd.org/
Catholics? Not any more. Even conservative Lutherans and born again cults only claim belief in Jesus as the way to Salvation rather than membership in their cult.

Since: Aug 11

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#37273 Dec 16, 2013
yon wrote:
The major question becomes, did Messiah and his apostles institute a new religion and when did the early Jewish church start ignoring most if not all of the "Old Testament" that led to the development of the Catholic and her Protestant offshoots(including jw's) version of what we call Christianity?
Good questions. I doubt they were instituting a new religion. They were just moving in a direction where many were already going. For example, animal sacrifices were being abandoned. As such, they were no longer faithful too Hebrew Scripture. What's more, some believed in life after death while others did not. Jesus was part of the group believing in life after death. The Catholic, and later Protestants came about around the 5th century and did everything to eliminate the small cults. The first great schism was between the Eastern Church located in Constantinople, and the Roman Church.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#37274 Dec 16, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Catholics? Not any more. Even conservative Lutherans and born again cults only claim belief in Jesus as the way to Salvation rather than membership in their cult.

CoC still does. SDA do to if memory serves. Most fundies will make a claim for fundamentalism if not their specific group.

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