#36739 Oct 15, 2013
Wednesday, October 16
Jehovah ... is cognizant of those seeking refuge in him.Nah. 1:7.
Why is knowing Jehovah and becoming known by him such a great privilege? Because not only is he the greatest Personage in all the universe but he also serves as the Protector of those whom he loves.(Ps. 1:6) In fact, our very prospects for eternal life are dependent on our coming to know the true God and his Son, Jesus Christ.(John 17:3) Coming to know God means more than simply knowing his literal name. We must get to know him as a Friend, understanding his likes and dislikes. Our living in harmony with that knowledge also plays a vital part in our showing that we have come to know God intimately.(1 John 2:4) But something else is required if we truly wish to know Jehovah. We need to know not only what he has done but also how and why he has acted that way. The more we understand Jehovahs purposes, the more we are compelled to marvel at the depth of Gods wisdom.Rom. 11:33.(Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)
#36740 Oct 15, 2013
I agree with you Dogen
Jesus and disciples were called each other they way and the truth,
or faithful followers of Christ
only outside pagan roman or greeks called them christians, this
ancient word was used as lack of respect to all followere in Spirit and the truth
OG Greek koine doesn't describe disciple as christians,
anyway Student quote english not fully truthful translations,like JW NWT is simple BS,not understandable if someone can speak or read few other languages and read their NWT in those languages- NWT is complete mess,
I do have english NWT,POLISH,RUSSIAN,GERMAN,SLOV AC,
AND MANY ENGLISH;
jerusalem english Bible is more truthful, or king james,also english traslation LXX Septuagint is very truthful transaltion from hebrew OT IN GREEK LANGUAGE,translated by brento in English called Septuagint
there is many more,
I collect them, and only one is most truthful,if you know greek language or hebrew,or arameic
I know greek language, and some hebrew,
mostly i understand peasant greek Pashur language from mountains koine slang having two meanings,dependent what context Jesus or His disciples were speak those words or parables,
I knwo that only this world mass confussion can eraze holy Spirit to those who are chosen by God as Gods adopted earthly children,and they can full understand Bible under Quidance of Holy Spirit,
2 Peter 1;20.....apply to JW LEADERS,AND CHRISTIANTY.
May God bless you and Student,
you are nice mature guys
#36741 Oct 15, 2013
i FULLY AGREE
with this daily text,
only this text also apply to those who are not saved by Gods grace,
follow this advice by JW,they will be earthly only blessed with life prosperities,security,cleaness ,holiness for Gods great reward-now living clean moral life on this earth without of any future hopes or enter holy heavens Holy of Hollies behind dark curtain of this universe,called in hebrew Highest heavens( Shamayah)
but generaly this daily text apply only personaly to them; those passages will give you answer,
eph 1;2-12,2;8-.Rom 8;16,john 1;13.3;8-9.Ezek 36;24-28,Rev 7;1-8.Gal 2;20.5;24.Eph 5;2
"to redeem them that were under the law,that we might receive the adoption of sons.Gal 3;13
May God Yehova always bless you my friend
#36742 Oct 16, 2013
continue my series about JW
Many of JW have become dsillusioned by teaching of not fulfiled predictions that proved false,and Lies, others by the rigidityof certain policies,or by the presure for engaging in a constant tradmill of organizationaly programmed activity that brings little of Genuine HOLY SPIRIT UPLIFT.
What is needed is to see the root cause of such falacies,of the authritarian nature of the man made policies,or of the futility of such programmed works,
I belive that without and understanding Scripture or Scriptual true teachings JW ARE PROGRAMMED BY THEIR LEADERS,
JW can not see clearly that root cause and can not see that there is something better and more genoine open to all those desiring true only Gods Grace.
unfortunately,the average Witness has never been aided to develop a good personal understanding of The Scriptures.
As and organization memeber there was little encouragement to use HIS OR HER OWN THINKING POWERS OTHER THAN TO ACCEPT AND ,IN EFFECT,TO COMMIT TO MEMORY WHATEVER INFORMATION WAS SUPPLIED BY THE ORGANISATION,SUBMITTING ALMOST AUTOMATICALY TO ITS LEADERS SPIRITUAL DIRECTIVES,NOT OWN INDEPENDENT BASED ONLY OF THE SCRIPTURES.
Questions,one of the mind most powerful tools,were negatively portrayed as evidence of lack of faith,a sign of disrespect for God's approved chanel of comunication.
there is yet another very significant,side to the matter,
Many persons seek only a negative freedom,
They seak to be free from something,to be free from feeling compelled to profess belief in certain teachings,to perform certain activities or conform to certain policies ,all impossed be ecclesiastical man made authourity of JW ORGANIZATION.
Of itself that kind of freedom may be a proper goal, desirable bringing release from JW oppresive restraints and from domination of mind and heart be men in a way which is cleary unchristian and WORLDLY WICKED
But even so,by itself this release does not bring true Christ follower freedom>
For true Worshiper Freedom primilary implies a positive not negative freedom-not merely a freedom from something but a freedom TO SOMETHING BETTER,DIVINE,GRACE, AND PERSONAL SINGLE RELATION WITH GOD-IT IS FREEDOM TO SOMETHING BETTER.
It is freedom not simply of not doing but of doing,as well as of being-as to what we are in heart and mind as an individual person,
Rather than by the mere step of leaving a religious system of JW organization viewed as false,
it is by what we do with our own lifes after separating from that system that we demonstrate whether true Freedom has actually gained.
I recognize that a considerable period of time hase elapsed and that gutations maybe earliet then Watchtower modern publications,
Nonetheless they show the basis for conditioning and the pattern for policies and attitudes that prevail to this day.
While obviously directed primarily to persons with a background among JW,the underlying principles involved are aplicable in any religious setting.
I hope that information and past JW,will be very helpfull to all readers ,will be of aid to those who,
OUT OF LOVE FOR TRUTH AND OUT OF CONCERN TO BE PLEASING TO GOD,ARE WEIGHING THE RIGHTNESS OF GIVING UNQUESTIONING LOAYALITY ONLY TO MAN MADE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION,
Its aim is to contribute in some measure to confidence in God's power to sustain us through whatever crises or holding to personal integrity may bring and help open up wider spiritual horizons and a more rewarding and satisfying life in service of OUR CREATOR WITHOUT JW ORGANISATION OF WORLD ORGANIZE CHRISTIANITY,
TO OUR MASTER, GOD'S SON,AND OUR FELLOW HUMANS..
To be continue...
MAY GOD BLESS ALL READERS AND ALL FREE THINKING JW WITHOUT OF MAN LEADERS YOKE ACCORDING TO GAL 5;1
#36743 Oct 16, 2013
Gal 5;1,6,7(Jerusalem Bible)
When Christ freed us,he meant us to remain free.....what matters is faith that makes its power felt through love.
You began your race well;
who made you less anxious to obey the Gods TRUTH(not washed by man above all of us)
Freedom like faith, love,and truth,is an esential part of true believer follower of true Christ,
Where freedom prevails,faith,love and the truth prosper,
When freedom is limmited(by churches or JW man doctrines)or lacking,they inevitably suffer
2 Cor 3;17
be continue tomorrow.......
#36744 Oct 17, 2013
If any man defile true spiritual temple of God(in this case JW DEFILE TEMPLE OF GOD)
him shall God destroy,
FOR THE TEMPLE OF GOD IS HOLY
( FREE OF MAN EARTHLY LEADERS)
which temply we are(144000)
18/Let man deceive himself
If any man amoung you seemeth to be wise in this world( DFS JW LEADERS)
let them become a fool,that he maybe wise
FOR THE WISDOM OF THIS WORLD IS FOOLISHENSS WITH GOD,
FOR IT IS WRITTEN,
"HE TAKETH THE WISE ,IN THEIR OWN CRAFTINESS
simple example of JW leaders from playing DFS smarkones,they became today Fools
be continue my posts about SPIRITUAL COMPLETE CHRIATIAN FREEDOM FROM ALL BONDS OF FAKEN MAN TEACHINGS,AND WASHING BRAINS OF JW???
#36745 Oct 17, 2013
continue about Chritian freedom,and JW nonsens organization without of Gods Spirit
2 COR 3;17
NOW THE LORD IS THAT SPIRIT;AND WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD(YAHVEH) IS THERE IS LIBERTY AND FREEDOM
The freedom of God's Son gave us is for the very purpose that we may express our personal faith and love to the fullest life degree,free from restrains which men,not God.would impose on us.
Any willing forfeiture of the freedom inevitably means a sacrifice of truth.
For those who would impose such restrictions do so, not by truth,but by ERROR OF MAN MADE DEMANDS AND THEIR FAKEN FALSE DOCTRINES.
In the past several decades,hundreds of thousands of persons have seperated from the religion that was the religion of our births,our youths, and before adult maturity, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
During those same decades hundreds of thousands of other persons have entered that same religion,sufficiently so that religion has continued to grow in the minds of average JW.
I do not feel that either the departure or the entry of these persons of themselves proves anything,or any grow?
The real question regarding those who leave is WHY they have left,what moved them to separate,
Was it love of real biblical truth,the desire to express their faith of their love in christian spiritual freedom,free of man leaders burden and their daily preasures?
Could they npot have achieved this by remaining where the wers as JW?
was their departure justified?
By the same token,questions may be asked about those enetring.
There is no question that a sizeable number of these were previously irreligious,unspiritual,essent ialy materialistic in their outlook.
Since their entry,they made a considerable change in these areas,
At least a percentage of them were helped to free themselves from serious problems of sexual promiscuity, alcoholism,drug addiction,violent of dishonest,even criminal behaviour.
This has certainly marked and improvement in their lifes.
yet it is also true that this record of help is not unique.
Most religious and church organizations can produce multiple case histories and testimonials of persons whose lifes definitely turned around as a result of conversion.
Similarly,the rescord and number of those helped by WATCHTOWER ordganization in overcoming vicious habits or addictions,including Algoholic Anonymus,drug addiction help centers,and similiar entities.
And certainly the majority of those becoming Witnesses were not persons previously plaqued with such problems.
The question remains then;
Whatever the apparent benefits gained,at what cost have they been gained?
has their integration into the Witness organization eventualy resulted in a foreiture of freedom to express truth,faith and love in a way that is uncoerced and unrestrained by human man domination?
If this could be case,
then how genoine and improvement has been attained?
HOW TRULY TRUE CHRISTIAN ARE THE APPARENT BENEFITS?
These identical questions may be-and should be-applied to any religion professing to be Christian and it is hoped that what is here presented may prove of value to people of many religious backgrounds.
For the issue here is actually far greater than the particular people involved,
It reaches to the very heart of the good news about God's Son,Jesus Christ.
WHERE THE DIFFERENCE LIES
BE CONTINUE TOMORROW,
ABOUT TIME OF REFORMATION AND TIME WHEN MANY PEOPLE FELT BOUND BY ONLY CONSCIENCE TO REJECT ECCLESIASTICAL DOMINATIONS OVER THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FAITH,ONE OF THEM EXPRESSED BY THE POSITION OF THE CHRISTIAN IN THIS WAY;
'A CHRISTIAN MAN IS A FREE LORS OVER EVERYTHING AND SUBJECT TO NO ONE
He then followed this up by saying;
A CHRISTIAN MAN IS OBEDIENT SERVANT IN EVERYTHING AND SUBJECT TO EVERONE
this was martin luther treatise"Freedom of the Christian man"
That sounds contradictory,but it is not.
It basicaly paraphrases the apostle Paul's words in 1 Cor 9;19.....
"I AM FREE MAN AND OWN NOT EARTHLY MASTER,
BUT I HAVE MADE MYSELF EVERY MAN'S SERVANT TO WIN OVER AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.
#36746 Oct 18, 2013
Romans 8; 24
For we are Saved by hope;(not by jw teachings)
hope that is seen is not hope,
FOR WHAT MAN SEETH.WHY DOTH HE YET HOPE FOR
25/But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patince wait for,
26/Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities;(not JW organization teachings and their leaders)
for we know not what we should pray for as we ought;
BUT THE SPIRIT(NOT WTBS JW DOCTRINES MADE BY MAN) ITSELF MAKETH INTECESSION FOR US WITH GROANINGS WHICH CANNOT BE UTTERED
#36747 Oct 18, 2013
NONE OF THOSE PASSAGES OR BIBLIE TELL SOMETHING ABOUT JEHOVA WITNESSES AS CHOSEN ELECTED NATION BY GOD'S PREDESTINATION
For we(not only JW) are saved by hope;but hope that is seen,is not hope;
for what a men seeth or learn from other man,why doth he yet hope for?
28/And we know that all things work together for good to them who love God(not jw false leaders)
to them who are the called according to Gods Purpose
( not called by leaders of JW,OR ELDERS JW,ONLY ACCORDING TO GODS PURPOSE NOT MAN)
For whom he did foreknow he also predestinate for the conformed to the image of the Son,that he might be the first born among brethren
(not among jw organization)
30/Moreover whom he predestinate,them He also called and whom He called,them also justified;\and whom He justified them he also glorifies
NONE OF THOSE PASSAGES REVEAL ANY TRUTH THAT JEHOVA WITNESESS ARE THOSE WHO ARE PREDESTINATED, CHOSEN,ELECTED ONE ACORDING TO HIS GOD PLEASURE,PUROPSE AND PLAN .EPH 1;2-12.EPH 2;8-9..2TYM 1;9,EPH 1;4,TITUS 1;2
#36748 Oct 19, 2013
thread is 100% proof,
that jehova Witnesses organization is not true worshiper of God, doesn't follow true Jesus,and doesn't cooperate with member of remnant of 144000 stil residing on this earth with their spiritual abilities to undestand GODS WORD BIBLE INFFALABILITY,
Only slaves of man,or man made organizations or churches follows their leader and are loyal to their Doctrinal Lies
he cast upon them the fierceness of his anger,wrath,and indignation,and trouble,
BY SENDING EVIL ANGELS AMONG THEM
( clearly passage point to organization of JW tracherous leaders,and elders)
#36749 Oct 19, 2013
great danger for 100% true believer chosen by Gods Grace to be Gods Child,
it to enter even voluntarly Jw organization,because from the time of his voluntary entering Jehova witnesess organization, leaders star behave like they are Owners of this human soul and heart,
INSTEAD TRUE OWNERSHIP BELONGS ONLY TO GOD NOT THIRD PARTY ORGANIZATION MADE BY MAN TO GAIN OWN ONLY MATERIAL BENEFITS.
Even voluntary entering and voluntary departure alone from Jehova Witnesse meet person also under danger to be hated by JW leaders,sent letters to families,friends, and close JW relative with spit hates against this person who voluntarly left Jehova Witnesses and stick only to Bible Gods Word-as elected chosen remnant of 144000 with eternal heavenly hope after renewing His heart before being JW
#36750 Oct 19, 2013
Paul spelling out the gravity of matter,he wrote about all those creators of man chueches and organization of Jw man controled minds of those who listen their Lies
YOU WHO ARE TRYING TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW( MADE LAWS BY YOU NOT CHRIST)
HAVE BEEN ALIENATED FROM CHRIST;
YOU HAVE FALLEN AWAY FROM GRACE,
BUT BY FAITH WE EAGERLY AWAIT THROUGH THE SPIRIT THE RIGHTEOUESNESS FOR WHICH WE HOEP( BEING FREE OF MAN YOKE,AND JW BODAGE OF SLAVERY)
FOR IN CHRIST JESUS(NOT MAN ORGANIZATION JW OR CHURCHES OR SECTS)
NEITHERE CICUMCISION NOR UNCIRCUMCISION HAVE ANY VALUE
(earthly fleshly obeying false directive of church and JW leaders and their earthly ceremonial laws)
THE ONLY THING THAT COUNTS IS FAITH,FREEDOM,PHISICAL AND SPIRITUAL,TRUE FAITH EXPRESSING ITSELF THROUGH LOVE AGAPE.
#36751 Oct 20, 2013
Surely Gods Absolute Wisdom is manifest only in Bible,not in the christianity churches nor Jw organization included 38000 sects and cults simmiliar to JW
Love and faith,the true rulers of the true beeliever Christian,
Not loyality to the man who constantly Lies,and deceive in their Watchtowers publications and worthless books.
spiritual worship is single sacred matter of only own new heart,and own mind with Christ thoughts and deepths of the new born again heart,Ezek 36;24-28.John 1;13.3;3-8
They can touch and affect every fact of own life in a way that law or christianity and man JW organization cen never accomplish
Because of not being under man made spiritual law and their strick rulers,
the true believer free Christian is put in the position single by his heart what he or she realy have in their hearts before God.
AND ONLY THIS ALONE COUNTS WITH GOD WHO CAN GIVE ETERNAL NOT SPEAKABLE GIFT-HIS ETERNAL LIFE PERSONAL GRACE .EPH 1;2-12.2;8-9
#36752 Oct 20, 2013
the longer I was member of man made organization JW,the more this issue pressed on my mind.
I found that an inordinate amount of the time spent on the meetings, KH,elders,talks,sessions, assemblies,conventions etc.......
was occupied with the making of decisions that involved
the REGULATING OF PEOPLE'S JW THEIR PRIVATE LIVES.
I saw that each ruling spawned questions that led to further rulings, by which the righteouesenss of other JW was judged by man?
Only if they observed those rulers were they to be viewed as having standing with GOD and Christ.
WHY SHOULD BE THIS?
DID WE FEW EARTHLY SINFULL MAN REALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY FROM GOD TO DO THIS?
WAS IT GENINELY FOR THE GOOD OF THOSE WE WERE SUPPOSE TO BE SERVING NOT BE THEIR LORDS OR LEADERS??
It was only when I came to the realization that the freedom the Scriptures taught was not simply freedom from ceremonial Moses Law
BUT FREEDOM FROM THE VERY CONCEPT OF LAW KEEPING-WHATEVER THE SYSTEM OF LAW INVOLWED-
That I could see where the problem lay.
Instead of law keeping,rule of man keeping,as the means for attaining and maintaining righteouesness withing Christian organization
there was a superior way.
It was this made Christin freedom possible,workable and so genuinely desirable,
It is not the law of man is bad(it is after all, the only thing that keeps many people of this world in check(1Tim 1;8-10
it is rather that true love and true faith are so superior,able only to accomplish so much more than law or organization made by man,
Agape true Love is able to produce a true righteouess spirit that springs only from the heart
(not under man law presure to do such things)
For which person would we ourselves faar greater confidence,have greater respect,and self Godly esteem;
the person who says he refrains from a certain wrong act"because it is unlawful"
or the person who says he refrains"because it is unloving and shows other a lack of faith in God"
The first expression reveals only the person's attitude toward man law, leaders,elders,or relatives who are also JW.
while the second give us a view of the persons heart and intimate feelings?
all this is not from the true renewed by only God hearts of saved persons Ezek 36;24-28.John 1;13.
#36753 Oct 21, 2013
But,beloved remember ye the words which were spoken before the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ
How that they told you ther should be mockers,pretenders in the last time,
who should walk after their own ungodly lusts( JW searching own glories,own finaces,own glamour, money, KH'S sold for millions, own doctrines full of own lusts,MONEY MONEY MONEY source of all evils)
these be they who separate themselves, sensual having no Spirit
O HOW SAD TO SEE JW ORGANIZATION FALSELY CLAIM TO BE TRUE JESUS DISCIPLES,BUT NONE OF THEM ENTER THIS PLACE TO DEFEND THEIR CLAIM
BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA
Since: Sep 10
#36754 Oct 21, 2013
A prominent British Scholar,religious leader knwn as a lover of civil and religious liberties,made this statement
'Authority is the greatest and most evil enemy to the Gods Truth and argument that this world ever furnished.
All the sophistry-all the color plusibility-the artifice and cunning of the subtlest disputer the world maybe be laid open and turned to the advantage of that very truth which they are designed to hide; but against authrotiry thre is not diference
Men can make no greater claim to authority than to claim unjustly to speak for God-to claim to be sole chanel of communication to all minkind
To occupy such a wicked position would be an awesome responsibility indeed,and one that should logically call for the greeatest of humility on the part of imperfect humans if they were in fact assigned to fill it.
The Watchtower Society repeatedly states that its messages has god Spirit,life and death importance.
This organization claims its massage has been sent by God to them,the Supreme Sovereign,for all mankind,with ultimate destruction as the outcome for dissobedience and not being Jehova Witness,
Some other religions take same position-(laughable)
Surely,any claim of such magnitude should never go untested.
In fact,the greatness of the claim calls for,not less,but more caution,more carful testing,
Simple respect for god should move us,
actually compel us,to make sure that the message is genuinely His
free from additions or alterations,
The deeper 100% our love and respect for god,the more conscientious our effort in true testing.
I can assure fact that the Watch tower organization views with the utmost seriouesness its claimed position of being God's sole channel of communication on earth.
perhaps some of the plainest statements made by JW organization officials as to what will be result for any reject their message came in court trial in Scotland in 1955
The case,known as the Walsh case,centered around to claim for ministerial status on the part of Jehova Witnesess..........
Acceptance therefore becomes a life or death matter-( according to JW leaders claims to be channel from God alone on this earth.)
for those surving Armagedon will consist only"Jehovah's Witnesess alone"
What if a congregation member were to reject a certain organizational teachings because of conscintiously beliving it lacked Scriptual backing an,as result,the person was subsequetly disfalloshiped??
What it the official position regardless disfelloshiped person who do not gani reinstatement?
That position is spelled out as follos out in testimony.......
this testimony I post in the next post,exposing authocrative lies of JW LEADERS?
“I am Sisyphus”
Since: Nov 07
#36755 Oct 22, 2013
It would seem that, like a good exorcist, you have driven the apostate 'Student' out of body of this forum. Being forced to look at the word of God probably burned his eyes out (at least metaphorically).
#36756 Oct 22, 2013
Sorry BUT I AM NOT AN APOSTATE, AND I am still here.
We have been on the road for the last several days.
“I am Sisyphus”
Since: Nov 07
#36757 Oct 22, 2013
You ARE an apostate and you have never been all here.
There may be one true religion, but neither JW's nor their Satanic overseers of the Watchtower cult have any part of it.
#36758 Oct 22, 2013
Wednesday, October 23
[Jehovah] has filled them with wisdom of heart to do all the work.Ex. 35:35.
The experience of Moses contemporary Bezalel reveals much about the way Gods spirit can operate.(Ex. 35:30-34) Bezalel was appointed to take the lead in making the necessary furnishings for the tabernacle. Did he have knowledge of crafts prior to this vast project? Possibly, but in all likelihood his most recent job was that of making bricks for the Egyptians.(Ex. 1:13, 14) So how would Bezalel fulfill his complicated task? Jehovah proceeded to fill him with the spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in every sort of craftsmanship and for designing devices ... to make ingenious products of every sort. Whatever natural aptitude Bezalel may have had was enhanced by holy spirit. The same is true of Oholiab. Bezalel and Oholiab must have learned well, for they not only performed their duties but also taught others what to do. Yes, God put it into their hearts to teach.(Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)
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