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You dubs do lie daily, I will give you that.

Aren't you embarrassed that you cannot defend your cult from the facts?

You can't even ADDRESS the facts! LOL.

You close your eyes, drop your pants and bend over, just like they tell you to do.

It's your own fault.

The Watchtower is a cult of the wicked leading the blind.

I DARE YOU TO OPEN YOUR EYES!



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Coward.
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I warned you about doing drugs.
Luke 21:20-24 says nothing like your claim of it.
Typical zombie cult member. You believe whatever you are told. No questions asked.
MISTER
You play smart guy?
but question is?
WHY YOU LIE AND ACCUSE SOMEONE OF USING DRUGS,IF YOU DOESN'T KNOW THIS POSTERS AT ALL?

WHY YOU LIE ABOUT HIM,AND MOCK HIM THIS WAY?

If you hate JW,why you seat like maggot and spew at this poster Student,

he got good intentions,but you are wicked satanic seed haters?
that what I see from your BS bablings?

I don't defend JW,
but I see differences between you f....churches idiots and those people named JW

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MISTER
You play smart guy?
but question is?
WHY YOU LIE AND ACCUSE SOMEONE OF USING DRUGS,IF YOU DOESN'T KNOW THIS POSTERS AT ALL?
WHY YOU LIE ABOUT HIM,AND MOCK HIM THIS WAY?
If you hate JW,why you seat like maggot and spew at this poster Student,
he got good intentions,but you are wicked satanic seed haters?
that what I see from your BS bablings?
I don't defend JW,
but I see differences between you f....churches idiots and those people named JW

Sorry to hear your are struggling in your ESL classes.
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Sunday, September 8

Trust in Jehovah ... and do not lean upon your own understanding.—Prov. 3:5.

It is not easy to resist temptation or overcome bad habits.“The flesh is against the spirit in its desire,” wrote the apostle Paul,“and the spirit against the flesh.” Therefore,“the very things that [we] would like to do [we] do not do.”(Gal. 5:17) To meet this challenge, we need to pray fervently when wrong thoughts or temptations first come to mind and then act in harmony with our prayers.“No temptation has taken you except what is common to men,” and with Jehovah’s help, we can remain faithful to him.(1 Cor. 10:13) Whether we are dealing with a difficult situation, making a weighty decision, or trying to resist temptation, Jehovah has given us a wonderful gift—the precious provision of prayer. By means of it, we demonstrate our reliance on him. We should also keep on asking God for his holy spirit, which guides and strengthens us.(Luke 11:9-13) And by all means, let us trust in Jehovah and not lean upon our own understanding.(Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)

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Trust in Jehovah ... and do not lean upon your own understanding.—Prov. 3:5.

Yea, trust in a word that was made up 800 years ago by an uninformed translator.
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Paul advised that we obey political rulers, so it is with little justification that the Watchtower Society insists Jehovah's Witnesses refrain from voting and politics.
Jehovah’s Witnesses, they do not interfere with the right of others to vote; neither do they in any way campaign against political elections. They respect and cooperate with the authorities who are duly elected in such elections.(Romans 13:1-7) As to whether they will personally vote for someone running in an election, each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses makes a decision based on his Bible-trained conscience and an understanding of his responsibility to God and to the State.(Matthew 22:21; 1 Peter 3:16) In making this personal decision, the Witnesses consider a number of factors.

First, Jesus Christ said of his followers:“They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.”(John 17:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses take this principle seriously. Being “no part of the world,” they are neutral in the political affairs of the world.—John 18:36.

Second, the apostle Paul referred to himself as an “ambassador” representing Christ to the people of his day.(Ephesians 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:20) Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ Jesus is now the enthroned King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, and they, like ambassadors, must announce this to the nations.(Matthew 24:14; Revelation 11:15) Ambassadors are expected to be neutral and not to interfere in the internal affairs of the countries to which they are sent. As representatives of God’s heavenly Kingdom, Jehovah’s Witnesses feel a similar obligation not to interfere in the politics of the countries where they reside.

A third factor to consider is that those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does.(Compare 1 Timothy 5:22, The New English Bible.) Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility.

Fourth, Jehovah’s Witnesses greatly value their Christian unity.(Colossians 3:14) When religions get involved in politics, the result is often division among their members. In imitation of Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses avoid becoming involved in politics and thus maintain their Christian unity.—Matthew 12:25; John 6:15; 18:36, 37.

Fifth and finally, their keeping out of politics gives Jehovah’s Witnesses freeness of speech to approach people of all political persuasions with the important message of the Kingdom.—Hebrews 10:35.

In view of the Scriptural principles outlined above, in many lands Jehovah’s Witnesses make a personal decision not to vote in political elections, and their freedom to make that decision is supported by the law of the land. What, though, if the law requires citizens to vote? In such a case, each Witness is responsible to make a conscientious, Bible-based decision about how to handle the situation. If someone decides to go to the polling booth, that is his decision. What he does in the polling booth is between him and his Creator. W99 11/1, p. 28-29
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Currently blood transfusions are not allowed. The Awake! 1994 May 22 p.2 admits that this advice has led to loss of life claiming that "thousands of youths died for putting God first."
Vital Law on Blood

Understandably, Jesus’ followers reflect his thinking. They seek to please God in all things, even as Christ did. For one thing, this explains why they refuse blood transfusions, which some doctors call lifesaving. Let us see how a person shows that he treasures the real life by refusing blood transfusions.

Like Jesus Christ, true Christians desire to be alive in God’s eyes, and that requires complete obedience to Him. God’s Word commands Christ’s followers:“Keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication.”(Acts 15:28, 29) Why was this law about blood included among the commands binding upon Christians?

The Law given to the Israelites required abstinence from blood.(Leviticus 17:13, 14) Christians are not under the Mosaic Law. But they realize that the command not to eat blood predated the Law; it had earlier been given to Noah after the Deluge.(Genesis 9:3, 4; Colossians 2:13, 14) This command applied to all the offspring of Noah, from whom all nations of the earth have descended.(Genesis 10:32) In addition, the Mosaic Law helps us to see the reason for God’s insistence on the sanctity of blood. After forbidding the Israelites to consume blood of any kind, God said:“The soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have put it upon the altar for you to make atonement for your souls, because it is the blood that makes atonement by the soul in it.”(Leviticus 17:11) Blood was reserved by God for sacrificial use upon the altar. His law on the sanctity of blood reveals his authority over all life on the earth.(Ezekiel 18:4; Revelation 4:11) Seeing our life from Jehovah’s standpoint, we realize that it does not belong to us but is only entrusted to us by God.

Just as the operator in our illustration was responsible for a machine, we are entrusted with our present life. What would you do if your machine required repair and a mechanic suggested patching it up by using parts specifically forbidden in the operator’s manual? Would you not consult other mechanics to see if the machine could be fixed in harmony with the manual’s instructions? Human life is far more important and complex than a machine. In his inspired Word, the manual for keeping humans alive, our Maker forbids the use of blood to sustain life.(Deuteronomy 32:46, 47; Philippians 2:16) Is it not reasonable to stick to the requirements of that manual?

Really, Christian patients who ask for bloodless management of their case are not rejecting all medical treatment. They are merely asking for treatment that will show respect for their life—both present and future. Doctors who courageously respect the stand taken by Christians testify to the benefits of treating them in harmony with their request.“Meeting Jehovah’s Witnesses led me to a new set of values,” says one surgeon who used to administer blood extensively. Now he tries to treat even non-Witnesses without blood.
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JW's have the LOWEST average education of any U.S. religious group (with at least 100,000 members) and the lowest average income.
Says who? By the way our membership is well over seven million. We have doctors, lawyers, business owners and many other who have PHD.
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Mind control:
Quotes from JW publications:
"False religious propaganda from any source should be avoided like poison! Really, since our Lord has used "the faithful and discreet slave" to convey to us "sayings of everlasting life," why should we ever want to look anywhere else?" Watchtower 1987 Nov 1 p.20
Interestingly, a circuit overseer in France observes:“Some brothers are deceived because they lack accurate knowledge.” That is why Proverbs 11:9 states:“By knowledge are the righteous rescued.” This does not mean giving apostates a hearing ear or delving into their writings. Rather, it means coming to “an accurate knowledge of the sacred secret of God” through diligent personal study of the Bible and the Society’s Bible-based publications. Having this accurate knowledge, who would become so curious as to pay any attention to apostate mouthings? May no man “delude you with persuasive arguments”!(Colossians 2:2-4)

False religious propaganda from any source should be avoided like poison! Really, since our Lord has used “the faithful and discreet slave” to convey to us “sayings of everlasting life,” why should we ever want to look anywhere else?—John 6:68. Watchtower 11/1/1987, p. 20, par. 16

John 6:68 “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life;

As Jesus foretold, a class of anointed Christians has been appointed to provide spiritual “food at the proper time” during these troublesome last days.(Matthew 24:45-47) When we read literature prepared to help us acquire accurate knowledge of the Bible and when we attend Christian meetings and conventions, we are being fed spiritually by that slave class. Because it is Christ’s slave, we wisely apply Jesus’ words:“Pay attention to how you listen.”(Luke 8:18) We listen attentively because we recognize the slave class as one of Jehovah’s means of communicating with us.
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"[Avoid] questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization" Watchtower 1983 Jan 15 p.22 Avoid Independent Thinking
Avoid Independent Thinking
From the very outset of his rebellion Satan called into question God’s way of doing things. He promoted independent thinking.‘You can decide for yourself what is good and bad,’ Satan told Eve.‘You don’t have to listen to God. He is not really telling you the truth.’(Genesis 3:1-5) To this day, it has been Satan’s subtle design to infect God’s people with this type of thinking.—2 Timothy 3:1, 13.
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"In Jehovah's organisation it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organisation who are assigned to that very thing,…" Watchtower 1967 Jun 1 p.338
EFFORT WITH POSITIVE ATTITUDE NECESSARY, Watchtower June 1, 1967 pp. 337-338

Of course, effort is needed. There are four things we must do to perfect obedience that will move us ahead:(1) Study of God’s Word; (2) zeal and effort in applying the things learned to our life and ministry; (3) continually seeking and following the lead of Jehovah’s holy spirit; (4) receiving help from other brothers in the organization. There are no shortcuts.

How will we put these four things into effect? First, study: We may think of study as hard work, as involving heavy research. But in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, to help you who do not have so much time for this, these preparing the good material in The Watchtower and other publications of the Society. But you do not study enough? Take this suggestion: Often the very best and most beneficial studying you do is that done when you read a new Watchtower or Awake! or a new book with the joy of getting the new truths and a fresh view. You remember the points. You talk enthusiastically to others about them. So try this: Pick up each Watchtower or Awake! as it comes and read it, just for the joy and pleasure it gives. Remember, you are not sitting down to study, just to enjoy the information. This will increase your joy of reading and will give you incentive for more definite, organized study. Jehovah wants you to enjoy your study. He does not want it to be drudgery to you. He is the happy God, taking pleasure in providing all this rich spiritual food.—1 Tim. 1:11; Acts 20:35.
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"If there is any material giving, to charities for instance, it is because there is need to salve conscience, or because one's reputation is at stake." Watchtower 1969 May 1 p.280
Giving Thanks Always for All Things, Watchtower May 1,1969, p. 280

GRATITUDE is very scarce in this era wherein selfishness has gone to seed. Parents often neglect to set a good example and train their children in this respect. Even in the presence of visitors some children will loudly and bitterly complain when things do not go right, but when matters improve they can seldom be heard expressing appreciation. Lacking good, sound counsel, the children turn out to be ungrateful for whatever they do receive, taking it all more or less as something due them.

If there is any material giving, to charities for instance, it is because there is need to salve a conscience, or because one’s reputation is at stake. There is very little giving of the kind referred to by Christ Jesus when he counseled:“Do not let your left hand know what your right is doing.”(Matt. 6:3) God’s Word, the Bible, foretold that “in the last days ... men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money,... unthankful.”—2 Tim. 3:1, 2.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses, they do not interfere with the right of others to vote; neither do they in any way campaign against political elections. They respect and cooperate with the authorities who are duly elected in such elections.(Romans 13:1-7)

Really? What about the representatives of those officials? What about the Sheriffs department? What about Judges? What about vice squads?

On review of the evidence it turns out that the JW cult does NOT respect the jurisdiction of governing bodies and tells the Jehovah hallucinators to ignore laws, to NOT report crimes and to lie in court.

The watchtower cult therefor FAILS to follow the Bibles prescription.

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<quoted text> As to whether they will personally vote for someone running in an election, each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses makes a decision based on his Bible-trained conscience and an understanding of his responsibility to God and to the State.(Matthew 22:21; 1 Peter 3:16)

This is a lie. JW's who announce their decision to vote will be pressured not to do so.

Not that it matters. There simply are not enough of them to matter a tiny bit in an election.

I did not read the rest. It was boring, not written well enough to maintain the attention of anyone but a dub.

REMEMBER: 99% of the issue is not what JWs claim to believe; it is that the WATCHTOWER does not apply the same rules to itself.

The Watchtower is corrupt at the core and is inspired by Satan.
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Really? What about the representatives of those officials? What about the Sheriffs department? What about Judges? What about vice squads?

On review of the evidence it turns out that the JW cult does NOT respect the jurisdiction of governing bodies and tells the Jehovah hallucinators to ignore laws, to NOT report crimes and to lie in court.

The watchtower cult therefor FAILS to follow the Bibles prescription.
Jehovah governing body states it is a good thing to show proper respect for the government and appreciation for the beneficial services that it performs.

We all have good reason to be glad that the governments under which we live provide roads for travel, schools for education, fire protection and food inspection. Courts of law and protection against crime are also of great value.

In these and other matters the “superior authorities” show themselves to be “God’s public servants,” providing services that benefit his people. So when we are asked to pay for all these public services by means of taxes, we do well to call to mind the scripture that says:“There is therefore compelling reason for you people to be in subjection, not only on account of that wrath [in punishment of law violators] but also on account of your conscience. For that is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s public servants constantly serving this very purpose. Render to all their dues, to him who calls for the tax, the tax; to him who calls for the tribute, the tribute.”—Romans 13:5-7.

Jehovah acknowledges that until his rule is fully restored to earth, civil governments serve some useful purposes. They help to keep a measure of order in society and provide numerous services, including the registering of marriages and births.(Compare Luke 2:1-5.) Thus Christians generally can “go on leading a calm and quiet life with full godly devotion and seriousness.”—1 Timothy 2:2.

So long as existing governments continue, God expects us to obey their laws and respect their rulers. Says Romans 13:1:“Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.”

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Jehovah governing body states it is a good thing to show proper respect for the government and appreciation for the beneficial services that it performs......

Please don't reply with cut and paste claptrap when you apparently did not read/understand what I wrote.

I grow tired of your failings. You have gone from failing to flunked out.


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Really? What about the representatives of those officials? What about the Sheriffs department? What about Judges? What about vice squads?

On review of the evidence it turns out that the JW cult does NOT respect the jurisdiction of governing bodies and tells the Jehovah hallucinators to ignore laws, to NOT report crimes and to lie in court.

The watchtower cult therefor FAILS to follow the Bibles prescription.
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Please don't reply with cut and paste claptrap when you apparently did not read/understand what I wrote.
I grow tired of your failings. You have gone from failing to flunked out.
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Really? What about the representatives of those officials? What about the Sheriffs department? What about Judges? What about vice squads?
On review of the evidence it turns out that the JW cult does NOT respect the jurisdiction of governing bodies and tells the Jehovah hallucinators to ignore laws, to NOT report crimes and to lie in court.
The watchtower cult therefor FAILS to follow the Bibles prescription.
Then why are you even posting questions for me to answer? Romans 13:1-7 is not about serving in any political service. It is about showing proper respect for the government and appreciation for the beneficial services that it performs.

The next time any Jehovah's Witnesses knock on you door, ask them about starting a home Bible Study, then maybe you will understand the Scriptures.

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Then why are you even posting questions for me to answer? Romans 13:1-7 is not about serving in any political service. It is about showing proper respect for the government and appreciation for the beneficial services that it performs.
The next time any Jehovah's Witnesses knock on you door, ask them about starting a home Bible Study, then maybe you will understand the Scriptures.

There was never a question about political service. That was one of your lies/confabulations that was not relevant. If you learned to read you might learn something.

"home bible studies" are brainwashing forums. They exist to exert psychological pressure on those that do not know enough about the Bible to refute their Antichrist doctrine. I do not suffer from the same lack of information as you and the rest of the dubs.

I have challenged you to learn the truth about your cult. You were afraid and therefor came up short.

Pack your bags. You are being evicted from the dorm.
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Each one has his own gift from God.—1 Cor. 7:7.

Like Jewish society in the first century, many cultures today emphasize marriage as being most desirable. If a young man or woman passes a certain age without getting married, concerned friends and relatives may feel impelled to give him or her some advice. In conversation, they may suggest that he or she search more actively for a mate. They may drop hints about an eligible member of the opposite sex. They may even use cunning to get two unmarried people to meet. These actions sometimes lead to embarrassment, broken friendships, and hurt feelings. Paul never pressured others either to marry or to remain single. He was content to serve Jehovah without a wife, but he respected the right of others to enjoy marriage. Individual Christians today also have the right to decide for themselves whether to get married or to stay single. Others should not pressure them to take one course or another.(Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)
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There was never a question about political service. That was one of your lies/confabulations that was not relevant. If you learned to read you might learn something.
"home bible studies" are brainwashing forums. They exist to exert psychological pressure on those that do not know enough about the Bible to refute their Antichrist doctrine. I do not suffer from the same lack of information as you and the rest of the dubs.
I have challenged you to learn the truth about your cult. You were afraid and therefor came up short.
Pack your bags. You are being evicted from the dorm.
I have the TRUTH. I learn more and more every week. Like our last Sunday Watchtower study titled “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?”

Are you the forum master?

I am sorry you posted on Friday the 6 post # 36299.
Paul advised that we obey political rulers, so it is with little justification that the Watchtower Society insists Jehovah's Witnesses refrain from voting and politics.

I asked for Scriptures. You posted Romans 13:1-5. Paul never wrote about voting or politics in Romans 13:1-5.

Romans 13:1-7 is not about serving in any political service. It is about showing proper respect for the government and appreciation for the beneficial services that it performs.

Really the next time any Jehovah's Witnesses knock on you door, ask them about starting a home Bible Study, then maybe you will understand the Scriptures.
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All the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction.—Rom. 15:4.
Those written things include many good examples, men and women of outstanding faith.(Heb. 11:32-34) We can and should benefit from the good examples found in the Scriptures, following or imitating what is presented in those fine Biblical accounts. Certain Bible accounts, however, include warning examples. We can find some of those in the lives of men and women whom Jehovah at one point accepted and used as his servants. As we read the Bible, we can note where and how some of God’s people went astray and thus became warning examples. We can discern that some gradually developed wrong attitudes or tendencies, which eventually produced sad consequences. How can we draw lessons from such accounts? We may want to ask ourselves such questions as:‘How did that develop? Might such a trend develop in my case? What can I do to avoid that and instead to benefit from this warning example?’(Examining the Scritures Daily 2013)

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