“I am Sisyphus”

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#36159 Aug 27, 2013
Student wrote:
Recall Notice
The Maker of all human beings (JEHOVAH GOD)

There is no actual God with that name.

http://www.jwfind.net/Ruky/blog/2013-4/3007

It is not funny except to the people who can distort the Bible into believing nonsensical things.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#36160 Aug 27, 2013
Student wrote:
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Karaite Jews, as proponents of the rendering Jehovah, state that although the original pronunciation of ....
Previously refuted.
Student wrote:
<quoted text> In the Christian Greek Scriptures “Jah” appears four times in the expression Hallelujah.(Re 19:1, 3, 4, 6)

Incorrect again.

That is 'halleluya'. No Jah!

Is NOTHING your brainwashing overlords tell you true? How can they be wrong on everything? It seems impossible, yet here we are again with you mindlessly regurgitating nonsense that you should never have put in your mouth to begin with!

The Watchtower cult is the archetypal AntiChristian, false prophesying, Satan inspired false Christians that Jesus, et. al. warned us would come.

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#36161 Aug 27, 2013
Student wrote:
<quoted text>
Usage in English Bible translations
The following versions of the Bible render the Tetragrammaton as Jehovah either exclusively or in selected verses:
William Tyndale, in his 1530 translation of the first five books of the English Bible, at Exodus 6:3 renders the divine name as Iehovah. In his foreword to this edition he wrote: "Iehovah is God's name... Moreover, as oft as thou seeist LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing) it is in Hebrew Iehovah."
The Great Bible (1539) renders Jehovah in Psalm 33:12 and Psalm 83:18.
The Geneva Bible (1560) translates the Tetragrammaton as Jehovah in Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Jeremiah 16:21, and Jeremiah 32:18.
In the Bishop's Bible (1568), the word Jehovah occurs in Exodus 6:3 and Psalm 83:18.
The Authorized King James Version (1611) renders Jehovah in Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 26:4, and three times in compound place names at Genesis 22:14, Exodus 17:15 and Judges 6:24.
Webster's Bible Translation (1833) by Noah Webster, a revision of the King James Bible, contains the form Jehovah in all cases where it appears in the original King James Version, as well as another seven times in Isaiah 51:21, Jeremiah 16:21; 23:6; 32:18; 33:16, Amos 5:8, and Micah 4:13.
Young's Literal Translation by Robert Young (1862, 1898) renders the Tetragrammaton as Jehovah 6,831 times.
In the Emphatic Diaglott (1864) a translation of the New Testament by Benjamin Wilson, the name Jehovah appears eighteen times.
The English Revised Version (1885) renders the Tetragrammaton as Jehovah where it appears in the King James Version, and another eight times in Exodus 6:2,6–8, Psalm 68:20, Isaiah 49:14, Jeremiah 16:21, and Habakkuk 3:19.
Cont...

Again missing the point. No one doubts there are a lot of bad translations out there (especially old ones).

The ERROR occurred in around 1100 a.d. and did not become WIDELY known as an error till recently. But it is well known enough that the erroneous "jehovah" has virtually died out save for the JW cult.

And it would not be an issue except for STUPID dubs INSISTING that there is ANY VALIDITY or MERIT to "jehovah". Educated people today use 'Yahweh' nearly universally.

Again 'J'(Ja or Jah sound) did not exist in Hebrew.

But, since one of my points is that JWs will rationalize any lie they are fed PLEASE continue making my point for me.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#36162 Aug 27, 2013
Student wrote:
In the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (1961, 1984)

There is really no such thing as a New World TRANSLATION of the Bible. The translation was NOT done by the JW's. The JW's mearly took it (since it is pd) and inserted their own theology into it and changed the name. That is not an honest translation.

[Note: NONE of the people on the translation committee of the NWT knew Greek or Hebrew nearly well enough to translate it from original source documents. They DID hire a consultant who was fluent in those languages and he recommended a number of corrections to the committees draft. They accepted none of them as they went against their personal beliefs.]

Is this the sort of organization you want to receive religious teaching from?

This is the level of putrid dishonesty the Watchtower operates form. More than one former member of the 'Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses' has left the organization because they could no longer stand the lies.

Read Raymond Franz - Crisis of Conscience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_Consci...

THEN read: 30 Years a Watchtower Slave: The Confessions of a Converted Jehovah's Witness by William Schnell.

"At first, the Watchtower Society seemed harmless to William J. Schnell, even valuable as a way to develop his faith in God and pass it on to others. This book is Schnell's fascinating account of his involvement with the cult, which effectively enticed him in the 1920s and continues to lure countless individuals today. Readers will learn, as Schnell did, that the Jehovah's Witness religion he had joined was anything but innocent. For thirty years he was enslaved by one of the most totalitarian religions of our day, and his story of finally becoming free is riveting.
Readers will be alerted to the inner machinations, methods, and doctrines of the Watchtower Society, arming them to forewarn others and witness to their Jehovah's Witness friends, relatives, neighbors, and the stranger at the door. With more than 300,000 copies sold, 30 Years a Watchtower Slave is truly one of the classic testimonies of freedom from a powerful cult."

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#36163 Aug 27, 2013
"Franz claimed that many Jehovah's Witnesses who choose to leave because they cannot "honestly agree with all the organization's teachings or policies" are subsequently disfellowshipped, or formally expelled, and shunned as "apostates". He wrote that he hoped his book might prompt Witnesses to consider the conscientious stand of defectors with a more open mind. He hoped that a discussion of deliberations and decisions of the Governing Body during his term would illustrate fundamental problems and serious issues within the organization: "They demonstrate the extremes to which 'loyalty to an organization' can lead, how it is that basically kind, well-intentioned persons can be led to make decisions and take actions that are both unkind and unjust, even cruel."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_Consci...
Student

Oregon City, OR

#36165 Aug 28, 2013
Daily Text


Wednesday, August 28

Happy are you whenever men hate you.—Luke 6:22.

Although none of Jesus’ apostles were cowards, they all struggled with fear of man.(Mark 14:50, 66-72) How did Jesus help them to progress despite intense pressure from their peers? Jesus took steps to prepare his disciples for the opposition they would later face.(Mark 10:29, 30; Luke 12:4-12) We too need to assist Bible students to overcome fear of man. A challenge is often easier to face when it is anticipated.(John 15:19) For instance, why not help the student to prepare simple, reasonable, Bible-based replies to the questions and objections his fellow employees and others may bring up? In addition, we can introduce him to other members of the congregation, especially those with whom he might have something in common. Above all, we should teach him to pray regularly and from the heart. This can help him to draw close to God and make Jehovah his Refuge and Rock.—Ps. 94:21-23; Jas. 4:8.(Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)
Student

Oregon City, OR

#36166 Aug 28, 2013
Dogen wrote:
"Franz claimed that many Jehovah's Witnesses who choose to leave because they cannot "honestly agree with all the organization's teachings or policies" are subsequently disfellowshipped, or formally expelled, and shunned as "apostates". He wrote that he hoped his book might prompt Witnesses to consider the conscientious stand of defectors with a more open mind. He hoped that a discussion of deliberations and decisions of the Governing Body during his term would illustrate fundamental problems and serious issues within the organization: "They demonstrate the extremes to which 'loyalty to an organization' can lead, how it is that basically kind, well-intentioned persons can be led to make decisions and take actions that are both unkind and unjust, even cruel."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_Consci...
What is accomplished by disfellowshipping?

It keeps Jehovah’s holy name clear of reproach and protects the fine reputation of his people.(1 Peter 1:14-16) Removing an unrepentant wrongdoer from the congregation upholds God’s standards and preserves the congregation’s spiritual cleanness.

At times, we are called upon to withdraw our fellowship from one who has been a member of the congregation. This situation arises when an individual who unrepentantly violates God’s law is disfellowshipped or when one rejects the faith by teaching false doctrine or by disassociating himself from the congregation.

God’s Word plainly tells us to “quit mixing in company” with such ones.(1 Corinthians 5:11-13; 2 John 9-11) It may be a real challenge to avoid someone who had perhaps been a friend or who is related to us. Will we take a firm stand, thereby showing that we put loyalty to Jehovah and his righteous laws above all else? Remember that Jehovah places a high value on loyalty and obedience.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#36167 Aug 28, 2013
Student wrote:
Daily Text
Wednesday, August 28
Happy are you whenever men hate you.—Luke 6:22.

Typical Watchtower cult dishonesty. They behave like they are from Satan but claim they are of God.

Is it wrong, according to the Bible, to reject false prophets?

Is it wrong, according to the Bible, to reject false teachers?

Is it wrong, according to the Bible, to reject followers of Satan?

The Bible is talking to the followers of Jesus. Not to the madeupname witnesses who reject the teachings of Jesus, reject the spirit and reject Yahweh!

Your blame is not the death of innocents. That is on your cult.
Your blame is not the protection of rapists, molesters and other perverts; that is on your cult.
Your blame is not the fabrication of false doctrines and misleading teachings; that is on your cult.
Your blame is not adding and removing things from the Bible to suit yourself; that is on your cult.

Your blame is not examining their teachings, what is known about them, and searching for Yahweh's truth. That is on you.

You have failed yourself and Yahweh.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#36168 Aug 28, 2013
Student wrote:
<quoted text>
What is accomplished by disfellowshipping?

WHO is being disfellowshipped?

Should a young woman be disfellowshipped for reporting she had been molested several times before she came of age and then reporting it to the authorities afterward?
A 19 y/o woman was disfellowshipped for reporting her molestation.

Should the men (plural) who molested her be disfellowshipped?
The men who molested her were NOT disfellowshipped?

Should a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses be disfellowshipped for pointing out the cult lied about several things and has rewritten it own history, whitewashing out the sins of the past?
This has happened twice.

Should a member of the cult be disfellowshipped for deciding they no longer agree with the cults spiritual path and decides to join a different Church?
This has happened too many times to count.
Read 1 Corinthians 5 and SEE FOR YOURSELF this is NOT how the early Christian community behaved.

There is NOTHING about Shunning in the Bible. Only breaking off associations.

The Watchtower 2013 Jan 1 p.16 even denies family communication by email, stating; "Do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail." Interestingly, whilst the translation into most languages is the same, the Spanish edition extends this to "email, phone or text messaging."
Student wrote:
<quoted text> It keeps Jehovah’s holy name clear of reproach and protects the fine reputation of his people.(1 Peter 1:14-16) Removing an unrepentant wrongdoer from the congregation upholds God’s standards and preserves the congregation’s spiritual cleanness.

Romans 3:23

Read the rest of Failed Students cut and paste and SEE for yourself the unbiblical LIED that are supported in it.

READ THE ACTUAL VERSES cited as SEE that they are lying when they make up what they say about disfellowship.
Student wrote:
<quoted text> At times, we are called upon to withdraw our fellowship from one who has been a member of the congregation. This situation arises when an individual who unrepentantly violates God’s law is disfellowshipped or when one rejects the faith by teaching false doctrine or by disassociating himself from the congregation.
God’s Word plainly tells us to “quit mixing in company” with such ones.(1 Corinthians 5:11-13; 2 John 9-11) It may be a real challenge to avoid someone who had perhaps been a friend or who is related to us. Will we take a firm stand, thereby showing that we put loyalty to Jehovah and his righteous laws above all else? Remember that Jehovah places a high value on loyalty and obedience.

GROUND FOR DISFELLOWSHIP NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE

disagreeing with Watchtower doctrine
blood transfusion
smoking
reporting criminal acts within the organization (which according to the JW are under the purview of the elders).

disfellowshipped are told that whilst disfellowshipped they are condemned to everlasting destruction

What Did Jesus Do?
Matthew 18:15-17
Matthew 9:11

And Paul?
2 Thessalonians 3:15


1 Corinthians 5:11-13 &#147;"But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? &#147;Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.&#148;&#148 ;"

1 Corinthians does not say to totally shun a brother who is a wrong doer, rather it says to &#145;quit mixing in company&#146; with such a person and &#145;not eat with&#146; such a man and hence refers to socialising as friends.

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JW's are apostates to the true Church.
Student

Oregon City, OR

#36172 Aug 28, 2013
Daily Text


Thursday, August 29

It is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you.—Matt. 10:20.

Paul knew well the importance of God’s holy spirit when it comes to speaking the truth. He even entreated the congregation in Ephesus to make supplication for him that “ability to speak” might be given him.(Eph. 6:18-20) Not only did holy spirit enable Paul to speak but, at times, it forbade him to speak in certain localities. As he embarked on his missionary journeys, Paul was guided by God’s spirit.(Acts 13:2; 16:6-10) Jehovah still guides the preaching work by means of his spirit. Like Paul, all of Jehovah’s obedient servants strive to declare the truth with boldness and zeal. Even though God’s direction is not as obvious today as it was in Paul’s time, we can be sure that Jehovah is using his holy spirit to make sure that deserving ones hear the truth.—John 6:44 (Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)

“I am Sisyphus”

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#36174 Aug 29, 2013
Student wrote:
Daily Text
Thursday, August 29
It is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you.—Matt. 10:20.
Paul knew well the importance of God’s holy spirit when it comes to speaking the truth. He even entreated the congregation in Ephesus to make supplication for him that “ability to speak” might be given him.(Eph. 6:18-20) Not only did holy spirit enable Paul to speak but, at times, it forbade him to speak in certain localities. As he embarked on his missionary journeys, Paul was guided by God’s spirit.(Acts 13:2; 16:6-10) Jehovah still guides the preaching work by means of his spirit. Like Paul, all of Jehovah’s obedient servants strive to declare the truth with boldness and zeal. Even though God’s direction is not as obvious today as it was in Paul’s time, we can be sure that Jehovah is using his holy spirit to make sure that deserving ones hear the truth.—John 6:44 (Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)

I guess Watchtower cult members are not considered deserving.

Please look up the scriptures you cite. Notice they don't support your contentions?

That is because your cult has lied to you. They have Dup'ed you into believing whatever they say even though the scripture does not actually support it.
Student

Oregon City, OR

#36176 Aug 29, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess Watchtower cult members are not considered deserving.
Please look up the scriptures you cite. Notice they don't support your contentions?
That is because your cult has lied to you. They have Dup'ed you into believing whatever they say even though the scripture does not actually support it.
To acquire spiritual strength and the ability to face the future as an integrity-keeper, a Christian must have a good knowledge of God’s Word.

By means of the Scriptures, our loving heavenly Father has given us an indispensable guide to happy living and an incomparable source of spiritual strength. God’s Son certainly appreciated the life-sustaining value of his Father’s Word, as can be seen by his quoting it and saying in answer to one of Satan’s temptations:“It is written,‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.’”(Matt. 4:4)

We cannot expect God miraculously to grant us knowledge of the Bible. In order to have a good grasp of God’s Word, we have to expend time and effort in studying the Bible and meditating on what we learn from it.

Due to human imperfection, very few of us have a so-called ‘photographic memory’ that might enable us to remember everything we study. But if we have made a serious effort in studying the Bible, we can rely on Jehovah’s spirit to bring to our mind Scriptural thoughts that will provide the guidance and encouragement needed to face various trials and the information required to defend our faith.

Jesus assured his disciples:“When they deliver you up, do not become anxious about how or what you are to speak; for what you are to speak will be given you in that hour; for the ones speaking are not just you, but it is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you.”(Matt. 10:19, 20)

God’s modern-day servants in different parts of the world have endured long, hard trials of faith. These Christians, who have triumphed over trials, are just ordinary men and women like all of us. But their complete reliance on God has enabled them to endure tremendous hardships. Indeed,‘the power beyond what is normal is God’s and not that out of themselves.’(2 Cor. 4:7) w80 8/1 p. 10

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#36182 Aug 29, 2013
Student wrote:
<quoted text>
To acquire spiritual strength and the ability to face the future as an integrity-keeper, a Christian must have a good knowledge of God’s Word.

And since JW's don't understand the Bible because the deceiver has put a cloak over their eyes they have no integrity.

Well, that fits, I must admit. That is how it is so easy for me to refute every bit of Satanic nonsense you post.

You flail around now and then, but you cannot thing outside of your master the Watchtower (aka Satan).

You are given over to cultic beliefs and are lost.


By means of the WATCHTOWER, our HATING Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has given us an indispensable guide to deluded living and an incomparable source of evil. The WATCHTOWER certainly appreciated the EVIL-sustaining value of his Satan's lies, as can be seen by their quoting it and saying in answer to one of Yahwah’s gifts:“It is written,‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every LIE coming forth through SATAN’s mouth.’”(WATCHTOWER EVIL 4:4)
We cannot expect SATAN miraculously to grant us knowledge of the Bible. In order to have a good grasp of God’s Word, we have to expend time and effort in studying the Bible and meditating on what we learn from it, which we WATCHTOWER cult members REFUSE to do.

Who SUPPORTED HITLER?
Who PROTECTS child molesters?
Who commits FALSE PROPHECY?
Who rewrites the Bible?
Who practices cult indoctrination and does it so well they have been studied by the CIA?(allegedly, that is one I don't have firm proof of).
Who publishes Satanic imagery?
Who TEACHES their dubs to LIE IN COURT?



Answers:
Watchtower
Watchtower
Watchtower
Watchtower
Watchtower
Watchtower
Watchtower
Student

Oregon City, OR

#36187 Aug 30, 2013
Daily Text


Friday, August 30

He who has anointed us is God.—2 Cor. 1:21.

Those invited to be in the new covenant were to be anointed with holy spirit. Faithful Jews and then Gentiles were included.(Eph. 3:5, 6) What were the prospects of those in the new covenant? They would receive true forgiveness of their sins. Jehovah had promised:“I shall forgive their error, and their sin I shall remember no more.”(Jer. 31:34) With their sins legally canceled, they would be in a position to become “a kingdom of priests.” Addressing anointed Christians, Peter wrote:“You are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”(1 Pet. 2:9) Peter here quotes Jehovah’s words to Israel when introducing the Law and applies them to Christians in the new covenant.—Ex. 19:5, 6 (Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)

“I am Sisyphus”

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#36188 Aug 30, 2013
Student wrote:
Daily Text
Friday, August 30
He who has anointed us is God.—2 Cor. 1:21.
Those invited to be in the new covenant were to be anointed with holy spirit.

Dubs are not included in that anointing. Your salvation is only as good as your works.

I participate fully in that anointing.

I am a king! I am a son of the most high. I exist in heaven this very moment.


Student

Oregon City, OR

#36190 Aug 30, 2013
Daily Text


Saturday, August 31

Take exquisite delight in Jehovah ... Roll upon Jehovah your way, and rely upon him.—Ps. 37:4, 5.

If you are a faithful Christian living in a religiously divided household, do not give up. Remember that “Jehovah will not desert his people for the sake of his great name.”(1 Sam. 12:22) He is with you as long as you cling to him.(2 Chron. 15:2)“Persevere in prayer,” and have faith that our loving heavenly Father can help you to endure hardships of all kinds.(Rom. 12:12) Petition Jehovah for his holy spirit to help you promote peace in the home.(Heb. 12:14) Yes, it is possible to foster peaceful conditions that may eventually touch the heart of unbelieving family members. You will experience happiness and peace of heart and mind as you “do all things for God’s glory.”(1 Cor. 10:31) In these endeavors, how heartening it is to know that you have the loving support of your brothers and sisters in the Christian congregation!(Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)

“I am Sisyphus”

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#36196 Aug 30, 2013
Student wrote:
Daily Text
Saturday, August 31
Take exquisite delight in Jehovah ... Roll upon Jehovah your way, and rely upon him.—Ps. 37:4, 5.
If you are a faithful Christian living in a religiously divided household, do not give up. Remember that “Jehovah will not desert his people for the sake of his great name.”(1 Sam. 12:22) He is with you as long as you cling to him.(2 Chron. 15:2)“Persevere in prayer,” and have faith that our loving heavenly Father can help you to endure hardships of all kinds.(Rom. 12:12) Petition Jehovah for his holy spirit to help you promote peace in the home.(Heb. 12:14) Yes, it is possible to foster peaceful conditions that may eventually touch the heart of unbelieving family members. You will experience happiness and peace of heart and mind as you “do all things for God’s glory.”(1 Cor. 10:31) In these endeavors, how heartening it is to know that you have the loving support of your brothers and sisters in the Christian congregation!(Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)

The newest book of the OT was written at least 1500 years before an uneducated Spanish monk invented the word jehovah.

Ergo the word does not exist in the OT.
Student

Oregon City, OR

#36197 Aug 30, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
The newest book of the OT was written at least 1500 years before an uneducated Spanish monk invented the word jehovah.
Ergo the word does not exist in the OT.
Neither does the name Yehwah exist in th Hebrew Scriptures.

In the second half of the first millennium C.E., Jewish scholars introduced a system of points to represent the missing vowels in the consonantal Hebrew text. When it came to God’s name, instead of inserting the proper vowel signs for it, they put other vowel signs to remind the reader that he should say Adhonai (meaning “Sovereign Lord”) or Elohim (meaning “God”).
Student

Oregon City, OR

#36206 Aug 31, 2013
Daily Text


Sunday, September 1

The one who loves God should be loving his brother also.—1 John 4:21.

How can we cultivate self-sacrificing love for our brothers? By deepening our love for God.(Eph. 5:1, 2; 1 John 4:9-11, 20) The intimate moments we spend with Jehovah in Bible reading, meditation, and prayer nourish our hearts and nurture our love for our heavenly Father. However, we need to buy out time to draw close to God. To illustrate: Imagine that it was possible to read God’s Word, meditate on it, and pray to Jehovah only during a certain hour each day. Would you not jealously guard that time slot so that nothing interfered with your personal time with Jehovah? Of course, no one can restrict our access to God in prayer, and most of us can read the Bible whenever we want to. Yet, we may need to take measures to prevent the whirlwind of daily activities from infringing on our personal time with God. Do you buy out as much time as possible each day to draw close to Jehovah?(Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)
Student

Oregon City, OR

#36209 Sep 1, 2013
Monday, September 2


How long, O Jehovah, must I cry for help, and you do not hear?—Hab. 1:2.


We may at times feel like the prophet Habakkuk, who cried out to Jehovah for justice, not understanding why Jehovah had allowed certain unfair things to happen.(Hab. 1:3) How important it is for us to imitate the faith of that prophet, who said:“Yet, as for me, I will exult in Jehovah himself; I will be joyful in the God of my salvation.”(Hab. 3:18) Like Jeremiah of old, if we keep “a waiting attitude” with full faith in Jehovah, the God of justice, we can be confident that all things will be rectified at the right time.(Lam. 3:19-24) We live in exciting times. Wonderful events are happening now and more lie just ahead. May each one of us keep pace with Jehovah’s organization. Let us heed the Scriptural counsel to look forward and not to look at the things behind. We will thereby prove that we do “remember the wife of Lot”!—Luke 17:32. w12 3/15 4:19, 20 (Examining the Scriptures Daily 2013)

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