Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple...
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Port Moody, Canada

#34703 May 24, 2013
jesus christ died in corpus christi Texas 1987' at the slayer concert of the 'ReigN in PaiN' TouR!8-)

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#34704 May 24, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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If you have met one person with DiD then you have met one person with DiD. I have seen them flip on the fly,... in mid sentence even, without pause and some seem to pause briefly. Some seem to be context sensitive, for example if the person is stressed they are more likely to show one particular personality over another. Therapy essentially consists of working on reintegrating the personalities into one whole person. Along the way you have to work to reinforce the more mature personality(ies) and of course work on helping the person understand the trauma that caused this split in the first place. Oh, and you don't want to get sucked into the clients belief that these are actually somehow separate but rather aspects of one whole self.
I know one such person, but they have it fairly under control. Do you select the personality which should become the "leader" in a sense, or do you leave that to the client?
Dogen wrote:
Actually the name Jehovah has fallen into disfavor. More people use the correct "Yahweh" today. Jehovah was popular 50 years ago, but that was then and this is now. So it has become a moot problem except for a new age cult that insists on using the old erroneous translation.
What is Christ's name? What are the names of the 12 apostles?
Dogen wrote:
That is how it should be in a democracy. We are one in 300,000,000 so we have that proportion of power (roughly). So it is not power of one person, but of the people in aggregate.
Only one course of action can be taken. Which means that majority vote, trumps the minority vote causing it to hold no power at all. It's one of the issues with Democracy.
Dogen wrote:
Not necessary to get anyone to redefine anything. I doubt many people would consider you to be a scholar in that all you have had is a few classes on a subject. Were they even taken at a real university or some uncredited religious school?
1) What I study alone, like Greek or Rosetta Stone, is not officially accredited. The classes I studied in school, like World Religion, Philosophy etc. are accredited.

2) A lot of people that don't know me would come to a lot of incorrect conclusions. People who know me in person would generally agree that I would qualify as such. Which is good, because even though they aren't aware, the dictionary agrees with them.

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#34705 May 24, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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That isn't really what I said, now is it?
Inference is a natural part of discussion.
Dogen wrote:
As I stated before (quite correctly):
Now, this in itself would not be fatal if the cult did not make claims as to being the restorers of the divine name of God. But replacing one incorrect word with another incorrect word does not a restorer make.
Back your claim up. Where do we claim to be the "restorers" of God's Name?
Dogen wrote:
There is no English equivilent except Yahweh. Jehovah is not equal to anything. Again, it was a basic error that should have never been made.
The dictionary does not agree with you.
Dogen wrote:
Except there was never an English equivalent of YHWH until it was correctly transliterated Yahweh.
Wrong. The Latinized name 'Jehovah' was the English equivalent.
Dogen wrote:
Now that this is the norm in English even you should agree. No one else except one cult uses the made up word "jehovah" anymore.
Back this claim up with statistics.
Dogen wrote:
In your uninformed opinion.
Prove me wrong.
Dogen wrote:
It was not an argument, it was a history lesson. The name of Yahweh does not change. It is the same forever.
There are several instances of a name being said to "Endure forever". However, people talk about King David as King David, even though it should be pronounced "dav-ved" or "dav-veed". Enduring forever and undergoing natural changes with speech is not mutually exclusive.
Dogen wrote:
Please don't whine like a child.
There's a difference between whining and championing my victories. When my opponent can't hold up an argument without resorting to fallacies, it means rational people are going to start leaning to my side. Keep it up, you're practically winning this for me.
Dogen wrote:
They made prophecies and were wrong. That is what false prophets do.
They made interpretations. If you believe they were prophecies, back it up. Show me where they said that they were prophetically inspired to make a prediction or anything of that sort. Not that it matters, because as I've said many times, even someone who has been consistently wrong in history can later be consistently right. It's unrelated and irrelevant. However, I would still like you to back it up.
Dogen wrote:
Translation: My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts. Typical cult member. You are quite the cliche.
I would have thought they'd make you study rhetoric or at least some logic with all of the classes you've taken. Clearly they failed if you cannot understand that most of what you write 'does not follow', i.e. is a non-sequitur. It seems your studying has made you think you are reasonable, but you fail to see that learning does not give you fluid intelligence. Maybe some day, if I'm in an analytical mood, I'll break down your arguments so that you can see how fallacious they are.
Dogen wrote:
ibid. You want to avoid the truth. Like most cult members you have no real faith and no spirit of Yahweh within you. That is your choice.
All I am saying is give truth a chance.
I simply have the ability to reason and won't be convinced by the same flawed arguments that convinced you. I'm above fallacies.

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#34706 May 24, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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It is NOT a correct English rendering. It is a mistake.
It was made intentionally, even if you consider it a mistake, and it is currently an English word.
Dogen wrote:
Names do not translate.
You are an expert in this field because? Religious names *do* translate. It is an exception from the otherwise relatively common practice of transliterating a name that doesn't have an easy translation. Again: What is Christ's name? What are the names of the 12 apostles?
Dogen wrote:
The watchtower already prints God's name in many different ways based on languages, so I assure you that if Yahweh becomes recognized as the new way of saying Jehovah in English, then they will simply change the way it's printed in literature.
They have not yet to date. In fact they have a big denial game going on which they feed to their sales force ("publishers" so called. Pushers would be more like it. Cults are a psychological addiction).
To date, Jehovah is still used and commonly accepted, whether you and your 6 friends think so or not.
Dogen wrote:
Good. Because that sounds like what you were doing.
Being a way it's said in English and being the original pronunciation is quite different.
Dogen wrote:
But, as I have demonstrated, it is not. Jehovah was an ATTEMPT to render YHWH into old English. A failed attempt but an attempt. That is where the word came from. Now that we know the truth should we continue in error? By no means!
Language is a tool to convey meaning. To the majority of people I meet and talk to, Jehovah holds more meaning than Yahweh. I've used Yahweh in the past interchangeably with Jehovah, depending on the situation. As long as people understand who I'm talking about, the pronunciation of language used to invoke that reputation is irrelevant.

Again, what do you call Christ? What are the names of his 12 apostles? Are you going to continue to pronounce those in error?
Dogen wrote:
I know you've been brainwashed to think otherwise. I couldn't possibly care less.
You know that? You know that I've been brainwashed? You know I actually studied brainwashing in sociology? It was one of the projects I picked from the list when we were studying it. Brainwashing is just like addiction. It's a word that essentially means persuaded except with a negative connotation just like addiction means a habit with a negative connotation. It literally holds no value.

I don't need to take logic lessons from a person who has none.

What is Christ's name? What are the names of the 12 apostles? Are you going to lie and tell me you don't commonly use the Latinized version of their names instead of their 'actual' names? If you even remember the names of the 12 by memory (which alone would be a miracle) I know that you would have to search for the 12 names in the original language, because you have no clue. Are you going to keep speaking in error and adding words to the bible?

Hypocrite, fix first your pronunciation of every biblical name, and after that, come and tell me that names must be transliterated and maintain their original pronunciation.

When you do that, you'll still be wrong and illogical -- but at least you won't be a hypocrite. How am I to expect more from someone who didn't study linguistics but wants to act as an authority on it?
Student

Oregon City, OR

#34707 May 24, 2013
yon wrote:
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You mean they ruled on circumcision. Blood was never an issue.
Do you have a BIBLE? Act 15:28, 29 (NW)reads--------

28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 TO KEEP ABSTAINING FROM THINGS SACRIFICED TO IDOLS AND FROM (NOTICE THIS) """BLOOD"a nd from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”

Acts 15:28, 29 (KJV)---------
For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessarey things: 29- That ye ABSTAIN FROM MEATS OFFERED TO IDOLS, AND FROM ((BLOOD))
Student

Oregon City, OR

#34711 May 24, 2013
yon wrote:
YOU SHOULD READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER
The Jerusalem Council Chaper 15
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers,“Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, 23 with the following letter:“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers[c] who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. 24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you[d] with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,
Acts 15:25-29

25 we have come to a unanimous accord and have favored choosing men to send to YOU together with our loved ones, Bar&#8242;na&#8231;bas and Paul, 26 men that have delivered up their souls for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We are therefore dispatching Judas and Silas, that they also may report the same things by word. 28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”

Blood was an issue that they also ruled on. Quit picking and choosing what Scriptures you want to belief.
Student

Oregon City, OR

#34712 May 24, 2013
Daily Text


Saturday, May 25

Jehovah knows those who belong to him.—2 Tim. 2:19.

One day a Pharisee approached Jesus and asked:“Which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus responded:“You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.”(Matt. 22:35-37)

Jesus had great love for his heavenly Father and truly lived by those words. Jesus was also concerned about his standing with Jehovah, demonstrating this by his faithful life course. Therefore, shortly before his death, he could state that God knew him as one who faithfully obeyed His commandments. Jesus thus remained in Jehovah’s love.(John 15:10)

Many today claim to love God. We no doubt include ourselves in that number. However, serious aspects to consider are:‘Am I known by God? How does Jehovah view me? Am I known as belonging to him?’ What a privilege it is to contemplate such a close relationship with the Sovereign of the universe!

“I am Sisyphus”

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#34715 May 25, 2013
Student wrote:
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The governing body of the first-century Christian congregation,.....346

I don't eat spam for breakfast.
Student

Oregon City, OR

#34716 May 25, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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I don't eat spam for breakfast.
Does that blood sausage work for you?

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#34717 May 25, 2013
Student wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses reject Babylon’s blasphemous doctrines as taught in the false religions of the world. We render worship to the one true God, Jehovah, through his Son, who became “a propitiatory sacrifice” for the sins not only of anointed Christians but of the whole world of mankind.(1 John 2:2)
We, who since 1914 have been living in “the Lord’s day” and at this time of divine judgment, rejoice in the grandest of all privileges, that of serving the Sovereign Lord Jehovah under his King of kings, Jesus Christ.(Revelation 1:10) As JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES, we testify that:
(1) WE ABHOR the reproach that Babylon the Great, and Christendom in particular, has cast upon the name of the one true and living God, Jehovah. For our part, WE AFFIRM wholeheartedly, in the words of Revelation 4:11:“You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power.”
(2) WE ABHOR Christendom’s adherence to Babylonish teachings, notably those of a triune god, the human soul’s immortality, eternal torment in hell, a fiery purgatory, and worship of images—such as the Madonna and the cross. In line with Revelation 22:18, 19, WE FIRMLY ABIDE by God’s written Word and all that it contains.
(3) WE ABHOR anti-God philosophies and practices, so common in Christendom, such as evolution, blood transfusions, abortions, lying, greed, and dishonesty. In our worship and way of life, WE WILL HONOR our Creator, Jehovah God, the Almighty, whose ways are described at Revelation 15:3 as “righteous and true.”
(4) WE ABHOR Christendom’s failure to heed Jesus’ messages to the seven congregations at Revelation chapters 2 and 3 in such matters as sectarianism, idolatry, fornication, the Jezebel influence, lukewarmness, and lack of watchfulness. For our part, WE WILL HEAR AND OBEY what “the spirit says to the congregations.”
(5) WE ABHOR the immorality and permissiveness in Christendom and among its clergy, and we welcome Jehovah’s clear judgment stated at Revelation 21:8 that those who continue in their filth—fornicators, liars, and suchlike—will be utterly destroyed. WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT Bible standards on sex, marriage, and family life.
(6) WE ABHOR the centuries-long spiritual prostitution of the clergy of Babylon the Great in conniving with worldly rulers to gain power, wealth, and oppressive dominance over the common people. WE ARE RESOLVED to help honesthearted ones to obey the angel’s call at Revelation 18:4:“Get out of her, my people.”
(7) WE ABHOR the massive bloodguilt resulting from over 100 million lives sacrificed in war in this century alone, largely attributable to the great harlot’s fornication with the political powers. WE REJOICE that the appointed time is near for God to execute judicial punishment on Babylon the Great, as clearly stated at Revelation 18:21-24.
As Jehovah’s Witnesses, WE COUNT IT A JOY AND A PRIVILEGE to announce to the world that in 1914 “the kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord [Jehovah] and of his Christ.”(Revelation 11:15)
WE ARE RESOLVED to move forward fearlessly in making known Jehovah’s declared judgments on Babylon the Great and in warning of the imminence of God’s war of Armageddon.
WE ARE DETERMINED to echo, in a loud voice and “to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,” the glad tidings that “a new heaven and a new earth” are at hand for the blessing of obedient mankind.(Revelation 14:6; 21:1)
WE REJOICE that as a result of this proclamation, a great crowd of more than seven million from all nations is now united with us around the globe. Along with the angel flying in midheaven, all of us declare:“Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”(Revelation 14:7) w89 4/15 pp. 18, 19
JWs are Babylon. They only produce false prophecies, false doctrines, false scriptures, and molested children.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#34718 May 25, 2013
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
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I know one such person, but they have it fairly under control. Do you select the personality which should become the "leader" in a sense, or do you leave that to the client?

They are one and the same. All the personalities are fragments of one whole personality.
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
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What is Christ's name? What are the names of the 12 apostles?

Yeshua ben Sirach or Yeshua the Nazorean.
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
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Only one course of action can be taken. Which means that majority vote, trumps the minority vote causing it to hold no power at all. It's one of the issues with Democracy.

It is an imperfect system, but it is the best we have ever had.
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
<quoted text> 1) What I study alone, like Greek or Rosetta Stone, is not officially accredited. The classes I studied in school, like World Religion, Philosophy etc. are accredited.
2) A lot of people that don't know me would come to a lot of incorrect conclusions. People who know me in person would generally agree that I would qualify as such. Which is good, because even though they aren't aware, the dictionary agrees with them.

Learning is fine no matter what the source. But learning is not the same as an education nor is an education equivalent to being a scholar (much less a professional one) in the sense of following the scholarly method.

Kudos for continuing to learn. As to the definition of scholar, according to the definition of a wagon it is something with wheels and I have wheels therefore I am a wagon.

Again, the dictionary definition is simply a summary of how a word is used. All words are defined more specifically in the context in which they are used. Therefore if I talk about a mouse without context you are not sure which definition of mouse I am using. If I say the mouse is not tracking well and needs new batteries then you know in what sense I am using the term.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#34719 May 25, 2013
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
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Inference is a natural part of discussion.

Is it? I know someone on another thread that would disagree with you, but he is a JW, so isn't very bright and his opin can be discounted.

ServantOfWisdom wrote:
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Where do we claim to be the "restorers" of God's Name?
The reference I have is Peace on Earth" p.12 1969, but honestly I have not checked it.

More specific information here:

http://ittsy.com/focusonthefaulty/Pages/jehov...
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
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The dictionary does not agree with you.
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Wrong. The Latinized name 'Jehovah' was the English equivalent.
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Back this claim up with statistics.
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Prove me wrong.
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There are several instances of a name being said to "Endure forever". However, people talk about King David as King David, even though it should be pronounced "dav-ved" or "dav-veed". Enduring forever and undergoing natural changes with speech is not mutually exclusive.
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There's a difference between whining and championing my victories. When my opponent can't hold up an argument without resorting to fallacies, it means rational people are going to start leaning to my side. Keep it up, you're practically winning this for me.
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They made interpretations. If you believe they were prophecies, back it up. Show me where they said that they were prophetically inspired to make a prediction or anything of that sort. Not that it matters, because as I've said many times, even someone who has been consistently wrong in history can later be consistently right. It's unrelated and irrelevant. However, I would still like you to back it up.
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I would have thought they'd make you study rhetoric or at least some logic with all of the classes you've taken. Clearly they failed if you cannot understand that most of what you write 'does not follow', i.e. is a non-sequitur. It seems your studying has made you think you are reasonable, but you fail to see that learning does not give you fluid intelligence. Maybe some day, if I'm in an analytical mood, I'll break down your arguments so that you can see how fallacious they are.
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I simply have the ability to reason and won't be convinced by the same flawed arguments that convinced you. I'm above fallacies.

The rest of this seems just like more whining and egomanicial self priming. All cult members honestly believe they are being logical. But when you are educated enough about your cult to have a sensible discussion will be glad to address any remaining issues.

Lets just start here.

Basic stuff every watchtowerite should be able to defend against.

http://ittsy.com/focusonthefaulty/Pages/jehov...

“I am Sisyphus”

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#34720 May 25, 2013
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
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It was made intentionally, even if you consider it a mistake, and it is currently an English word.

It is not "considered" a mistake. It was a mistake. The translator simply did not understand the diacritical makings in Hebrew and simply IGNORED them.

His translation was "correct" based on that incorrect assumption. Shouldn't you know about what you are talking about before you talk about it?
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
<quoted text> Being a way it's said in English and being the original pronunciation is quite different.

GIGO. The way it is said in English is Yahweh.

There are many names for God in English, including (gasp) "God"! They ALL come from other languages (Mostly Hebrew & Greek)

Elohim (actually another aspect of God or Yahweh).
El Shaddai
El Elyon
El Olam
El
Theos
Lord (Kurios)
Master (Despotes)
Father
Abba (Dad)
Yahweh Elohim
Yahweh Yireh
Yahweh Nissi
Yahweh Shalom
Yahweh Sabbaoth
Yahweh Maccaddeshcem
Yahweh Ro’i
Yahweh Tsidkenu
Yahweh Shammah
Yahweh Elohim Israel:
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
<quoted text> Language is a tool to convey meaning. To the majority of people I meet and talk to, Jehovah holds more meaning than Yahweh.

I must run in more educated circles.


You know that? You know that I've been brainwashed?

Yes. This I know for a fact.
ServantOfWisdom wrote:
<quoted text> You know I actually studied brainwashing in sociology?....It literally holds no value.

Ooooh and undergrad Sociology class. Wow.

The term "brain-washing" is pop psychology, but it refers to a real thing. Indoctrination is a better term.

Typical "brainwashing" (or indoctrination) techniques (all of which are use by the watchtower cult to some extent) are:

Repeating ideas or slogans - very popular in politics as well. In the end the repetition wins out over the facts supporting what is repeated. "Millions now living will never die..."

Source Amnesia - Another JW favorite.

Isolation - cutting you off from outsiders till you are fully indoctrinated.(AKA Milieu Control)

Induced dependency - Your safe because your one of us now.

Dread - fear of losing the acceptance, love, favor of the group of you waiver.

Controlling information by restricting what you read or watch. The Watchtower does this by 'inoculating' against external information.
Wiring for agreement.

Shame

"free love"

black and white choices

Thought reform
(Jw examples at http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/be... )

Us vs. Them (and making you feel good about being "Us".

Decreasing sense of self in favor of a sense of WE or Us.

"We must be following God because everyone is against us"

Decreasing cognitive dissonance.

You might want to look at Post-cult trauma.
"Post cult Trauma".
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/10...

Of course I recommend any of the dozens of online JW recovery groups. It is better to hear it from a former member who found out the truth.

Of course if you are afraid.....

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#34721 May 25, 2013
Student wrote:
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Do you have a BIBLE? Act 15:28, 29 (NW)reads--------
28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 TO KEEP ABSTAINING FROM THINGS SACRIFICED TO IDOLS AND FROM (NOTICE THIS) """BLOOD"a nd from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”
Acts 15:28, 29 (KJV)---------
For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessarey things: 29- That ye ABSTAIN FROM MEATS OFFERED TO IDOLS, AND FROM ((BLOOD))

This is what happens when people don't understand the culture, religion, politics, etc of translated material.

Do you know anyone who advocates drinking blood?

Meat has blood in it. Even when the meat is cooked.

This has always been a Jewish taboo. It does not mean the crazy things the Watchtower cult has read into it.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#34722 May 25, 2013
Student wrote:
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Acts 15:25-29
25 we have come to a unanimous accord and have favored choosing men to send to YOU together with our loved ones, Bar&#8242;na&#8231;bas and Paul, 26 men that have delivered up their souls for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We are therefore dispatching Judas and Silas, that they also may report the same things by word. 28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”
Blood was an issue that they also ruled on. Quit picking and choosing what Scriptures you want to belief.

Quit distorting what the scriptures mean. Over literalism is dangerous. It could end up leading you into a religious cult.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#34723 May 25, 2013
Student wrote:
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Does that blood sausage work for you?

Not my cup of tea.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#34724 May 25, 2013
FARKEL wrote:
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JWs are Babylon. They only produce false prophecies, false doctrines, false scriptures, and molested children.

They also lie, use psychological manipulation, distort the scriptures, and pay off lawsuits to keep the information out of the paper and public record.

Just saying.
Student

Oregon City, OR

#34727 May 25, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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This is what happens when people don't understand the culture, religion, politics, etc of translated material.
Do you know anyone who advocates drinking blood?
Meat has blood in it. Even when the meat is cooked.
This has always been a Jewish taboo. It does not mean the crazy things the Watchtower cult has read into it.
I see you never use the Bible in any of your postings. So how would you know what God Words really says.

The person who reasons that the Bible may—in part at least—be simply the product of human thinking may try to justify his disregard for what it says in an attempt to escape trouble. Yet in doing so, he may actually be sacrificing the prospect of eternal life.

Said Jesus Christ:“Whoever seeks to keep his soul safe for himself will lose it, but whoever loses it will preserve it alive.”(Luke 17:33)

It is, therefore, of far more than passing interest to consider how the Bible, a book written by men, is truly God’s Word. Our very life is involved.
Student

Oregon City, OR

#34730 May 26, 2013
yon wrote:
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How do you respond Student?
9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.

13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
Student

Oregon City, OR

#34731 May 26, 2013
yon wrote:
Surely you can cut and paste something from your handlers that encourages internet activity.
www.jw.org

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