Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple...

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#34303 May 11, 2013
Student wrote:
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I see you have Walter Martin book,“Kingdom of the Cults”, is this were you get all your information?
No, actually this is the first time I've ever used it, not that I need to at all. I have many sources which I have accumulated over the years of intense study on the subject of false doctrines, the most important one being the bible. There's no denying that the Jehovah Witnesses are a false religion, which is easily to see. One of the first is the blatant ignorance of trying to tell people when the end is coming, which the Jehovah Witnesses have done so many times in the past, that would be the first inclination of a false religion. The bible tells us all no man knoweth the hour when the end of time will be, but regardless of what the bible says the Jehovah Witnesses shamefully continue to make the same mistake over and over. The founder of your religion is a man, our founder is God. If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true, especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.
Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy, and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.
In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" -- "So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?...This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses...Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197).(See Deut. 18:21.)
•1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
•1899 "...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty'(Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
•1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
•1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).

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#34304 May 11, 2013
Final part,
•1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
•1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
•1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
•1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
•1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
•1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
•1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
•1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?.. Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
•1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).

A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?
A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect -- if that were possible" (Matt. 24:24).

Student

Beavercreek, OR

#34305 May 11, 2013
Should Jesus’ death be commemorated weekly or perhaps even daily? Well, Christ instituted the Lord’s Evening Meal and was unjustly put to death on Passover Day. Held only once a year, on Nisan 14, the Passover commemorated Israel’s deliverance from Egyptian bondage.(Exodus 12:6, 14; Leviticus 23:5)

So the death of “Christ our passover” should be memorialized only once each year, not weekly or daily.(1 Corinthians 5:7) In observing the Lord’s Evening Meal, Christians follow the same procedure as Jesus did when he instituted it.

What, then, is meant by Paul’s words:“As often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives”?(1 Corinthians 11:26) In this text Paul used a word meaning “every time that,” or “whenever.” Thus, he was saying that whenever anointed Christians partook of the emblems, they would proclaim their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.

Anointed Christians would commemorate Christ’s death “until he arrives.” This observance would continue until Jesus’ arrival to receive his anointed followers into heaven by a resurrection to spirit life during his “presence.”(1 Thessalonians 4:14-17)

This harmonizes with Christ’s words to the 11 loyal apostles:“If I go my way and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be.”(John 14:3)

Is it necessary to partake of the Memorial emblems in order to be covered by Jesus’ sacrifice and receive everlasting life on earth?

No.

Nothing in the Bible suggests that after they are resurrected on earth, such God-fearing people as Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Rebekah, Joseph, Moses, and David will ever partake of these emblems. Yet, they and all others desiring endless life on the earth will have to exercise faith in God and Christ and in Jehovah’s provision of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.(John 3:36; 14:1)

For everlasting life, you too must exercise such faith. Your presence at the annual observance of Christ’s death serves as a reminder of that great sacrifice and should deepen your gratitude for it.

The apostle John emphasized the importance of Jesus’ sacrifice when he said:“I am writing you [fellow anointed ones] these things that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one. And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.”(1 John 2:1, 2)

Anointed ones can say that Jesus’ sacrifice is a propitiatory cover for their sins. But it is also a sacrifice for the sins of the whole world, making everlasting life possible for obedient mankind!(w04 3/15 p. 7)
Student

Beavercreek, OR

#34306 May 11, 2013
Nonblood Alternatives

Among the topics considered were blood transfusion, blood testing, and medical alternatives to human blood. Dr. C. V. Prowse, of the Scottish National Blood Transfusion Service, spoke on “Alternatives to Human Blood and Blood Resources.” He mentioned various recombinant (synthetic) growth factors that can increase blood cell levels by stimulating the body’s production of these cells. For example, erythropoietin is produced by the kidneys and stimulates the formation of red blood cells. But now this can be produced in laboratories. Dr. Prowse said that synthetic “erythropoietin is well established as a treatment for various forms of anaemia.”

A similar substance has been developed to stimulate the body’s production of blood platelets. Dr. Prowse said:“The most recent discoveries in this area are the thrombopoietic growth factors. Interleukin 11 is already licensed for its effect in improving platelet count . . . , and it seems likely that thrombopoietin and its homolog, rh-PEG-MGDF, soon will be.”

Dr. Prowse also mentioned synthetic clotting factors (plasma proteins) that have proved valuable to hemophiliacs:“Recombinant equivalents of a number of plasma proteins are licensed, and in some cases are established as the preferred therapy due to concerns over the viral infectivity of plasma-derived products.” Dr. Prowse added that “a number of other coagulation factors are now in development for production.”

N. S. Faithfull, who is affiliated with a pharmaceutical corporation, gave a presentation on perfluorocarbon (PFC) compounds. Certain perfluorocarbons can transport oxygen in the circulatory system. The first generation of these chemicals did not prove satisfactory as “artificial” blood. Has progress been made? Faithfull said:“Over the last few years, further development of PFC technology has progressed and clinical trials have been performed using [two second] generation PFC emulsions.” He reported on trials of one of these involving 256 patients undergoing orthopedic, gynecologic, or urologic surgery—procedures that often result in high blood loss. The results?“The data from both studies indicated that Oxygent was significantly better than blood at reversing these triggers [a trigger indicates a need for a blood transfusion] and that the triggers were reversed for significantly longer than the reversal caused by autologous blood.”

The congress also heard that the size of PFC particles in such emulsions “is very small . . . , about 40 times smaller than the diameter of an RBC [red blood cell]. This small size can enable PFC particles to traverse capillaries through which no RBCs are flowing.” This seems to hold promise of benefit in the case of certain damaged, blood-starved tissue.

A British physician emphasized the need of saving blood in surgical procedures. He urged this because of the shortage of blood and because of the hazards connected with transfusions. To illustrate how much can be done to reduce the use of blood, he told of a surgeon who used blood in only 10 percent of the hip operations that he performed. Other surgeons at the same hospital used blood in 70 percent of hip surgeries.

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#34307 May 11, 2013
Student wrote:
Nonblood Alternatives
Among the topics considered
That would be fantastic, but in the real world it's not feasable now, and these procedures are so far in the future that blood transfusions will simply become safer before these become a reality, and then the cost will be another factor. But the main issue isn't the blood, it's the JW false interpretation of the bible on the issue of blood, which your bible says soul, and the use of blood has nothing to do with one's soul in the verses you are citing from your bible , exclusively for you. Again when an animal or a human dies of insufficent blood they cease to live. The human soul which has nothing to do with the blood continues to live on as our soul is eternal. The lifeblood refers to the blood which keeps the physical body of an animal and human alive, and that's all. No bible, except the one that was created and distorted for your sole purpose to try and make the scriptures to fit the JW agenda, which it fails miserably.

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#34310 May 11, 2013
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All others are no different than pagans. Right?
Thank you, as you're exactly right.
Student

Beavercreek, OR

#34311 May 11, 2013
Our soul is not eternal.. First you have to know what the Scriptures say a soul is, right?

The original-language terms (Heb., nephesh; Gr., psykhe) as used in the Scriptures show “soul” to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal enjoys.

Nephesh evidently comes from a root meaning “breathe” and in a literal sense nephesh could be rendered as “a breather.” Koehler and Baumgartner’s Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros (Leiden, 1958, p. 627) defines it as:“the breathing substance, making man a[nd] animal living beings Gn 1, 20, the soul (strictly distinct from the greek notion of soul) the seat of which is the blood Gn 9, 4f Lv 17, 11 Dt 12, 23:(249 X)... soul = living being, individual, person.”

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Psalms 141:7 (KJV) But mine eyes are unto thee, O GOD the LORD: in thee is my trust: leave not my soul destitute.

When God said,“For dust you are and to dust you will return,” to whom was he speaking? To the first man, Adam. Did that death sentence apply only to Adam’s body? Or to Adam as a breathing soul?

Genesis 2:7 clearly states:“And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” This text is fundamental to understanding the word “soul” as used in the Bible.

It clearly states that “man came to be [not to have] a living soul.” Thus God told that living soul, or breathing creature, Adam, that if disobedient, he would positively die and return to the elements of the earth from which he had been formed.(Genesis 2:17; 3:19)

Please note that no mention is made of any alternative destination for man’s supposed soul.

Why not?

Because Adam, with all his faculties, was a soul. He did not possess a soul. If such places as a fiery hell and purgatory existed, this is the one point in the Bible when they should have been mentioned. Yet they are not even alluded to.

Why is that?

Because the simple judgment for disobedience was just the opposite of the life Adam enjoyed in Paradise—namely, death, not life somewhere else.

Paul states the case with simplicity in Romans 6:23:“For the wages sin pays is death.”(Compare Ezekiel 18:4, 20.)

There is no mention here of any hellfire or purgatory, just death. And isn’t that punishment enough?

Another factor to bear in mind is that a basic sense of justice requires that man should have known the true extent of his possible punishment before he disobeyed.

There is absolutely no mention of any immortal soul, hellfire or purgatory in the Genesis account. Furthermore, if man had really been created with an immortal soul, then this whole set of doctrines relating to the immortal soul and its destiny should have been part and parcel of Hebrew and Jewish teaching from the very earliest times. But such was not the case.

Another logical question also arises. If God’s original purpose was for perfect, obedient humankind to live forever on a paradise earth, what purpose would there be in endowing man with a separate and immortal soul? Not only would it be immortal; it would be superfluous!—Genesis 1:28.

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#34312 May 11, 2013
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Does man even have a soul? There are some who state that the soul of man is nothing more than the life of man. By this they mean to suggest that there is nothing different between a man and an animal insofar as the soul is concerned. One of their favorite passages is Proverbs 12:10 which uses the same word that is translated “soul” to describe the life of a beast. By this they mean to suggest that “soul” is merely one’s “life-force” and has nothing to do with anything other than the physical body. It is true that there are many passages within the Bible where “soul” means “life” and the two words can be used relatively interchangeably. However, the studious will do well to note that words often have more than one meaning and can be used in different senses. Such is the case for this word as well.
We find one such example in Leviticus 17:11. This passage says,“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.” In this passage, the blood makes atonement for the soul. Was it merely for a person’s life that atonement was made? Since when does blood need to be shed to safeguard a person’s life-force? It should be clear to the conscientious that “soul” in this passage means more than just a life-force because it is something that is in need of atonement. We find another example in Leviticus 26:11. God says in this passage,“And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.” Here the word has reference to God himself. Does the word merely describe God’s “life-force?” To the contrary, the context is in regard to the presence of God among the children of Israel. We know that God is a Spirit (John 4:24), so “soul” in this context is not merely referring to some “life-force” as defined above since the word is attributed to God himself.
Perhaps the greatest demonstration that the soul is more than just man’s “life-force” begins in the prophetic passage Psalm 16:10. This passage states,“For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” Peter quotes this passage in Acts 2:31 where he applies it to the soul of the resurrected Jesus. He says,“he (David) foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.”ASV. Notice that Peter says that “he” was not left unto Hades and then he also says that his flesh did not see corruption. To Peter, the real Jesus was someone different from his flesh; Jesus had a soul. Now just exactly where was Jesus during this period of time that his body was in the tomb? Jesus’ own words to the thief on the cross tell us exactly where Jesus was, a place known as paradise (Luke 23:43). How do we know that Jesus was not really in heaven with the thief? Notice these two facts: First, Jesus said that he would be with the thief “today” in paradise. Second, when Mary saw Jesus after his resurrection, Jesus said that he had not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17). Now if Jesus had seen the thief in the same day that he had died and if Jesus had gone to heaven to see him after his death, then Jesus would have already have ascended into heaven and would have had to come back down to ascend again. This is also confirmed for us in Ephesians 4:9 where it states,“Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?” This expression “lower parts of the earth” is a phrase that occurs in the Old Testament twice (Psalm 63:9; Isaiah 44:23) and refers to the place of the departed. Jesus descended to this place wherein is the realm of paradise and then Jesus ascended into heaven after having been resurrected from the dead. The inescapable conclusion is that the soul of Jesus was still alive and well while Jesus body was in the tomb.

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#34313 May 11, 2013
Final Part,

Finally, we see that Jesus himself argued for the existence of the soul after death. He did so to the religious sect of the time known as the Sadducees. Acts 23:8 tells us what the Sadducees believed in this regard.“For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit&#65533;.” It is significant that the Sadducees believed that there were no spirits. In their view of things there were no “souls.” Sadducee doctrine was that when a person was dead, he had no spirit-form to depart from his body, but that all that was left of him was the dust from whence he came. Hence, the dead no longer existed according to the Sadducees. We see these views addressed in Matthew 22:23-33, Mark 12:18-27, and Luke 20:27-38. It is significant that Jesus addressed the whole of the Sadducees doctrine about the resurrection. That is, in the view of the Sadducess, there was no resurrection because there were no souls to resurrect. Jesus also answers the question about angels as well. In these passages, Jesus first tells the Sadducees that they knew neither the scriptures nor the power of God. He then answers their question regarding marriage in the resurrection by telling them that men would be like angels in the resurrection, without gender. Finally he deals with the doctrine of whether the dead have souls that are still living. If they do, then the implication of that fact is that they will one day be raised. In Matthew, Jesus is recorded as saying,“But as touching the resurrection of the dead&#65533;..” Mark records,“As touching the dead, that they rise&#65533;.” Luke writes,“Now that the dead are raised&#65533;.” In the next few verses, Jesus makes it clear that he is not talking about the raising of dead bodies, but of dead souls. How do we know this? Jesus takes God’s statement to Moses from Exodus 3:6 where God says,“I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” and points out the tense of the verb,“I am.” It is present tense, meaning that God was, during the time of Moses, the God of the very much alive and well Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But their bodies were dead, so how could they be alive? They were alive because they had an immortal soul. And so Jesus concludes,“God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” The implication is that the souls of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were still alive after their death in the time of Moses and that, in fact, they were still alive in the time of Christ.

Yes, there is an immortal soul. Yes, the immortal souls of all of those who have gone before live right now in the place of the dead. Yes, one day those immortal souls will be resurrected to be rejoined with a new and immortal body (Acts 24:15). Those who do not believe in the existence of the immortal soul in the words of Jesus,“do greatly err”(Mark 12:27). The righteous will go into eternal life and the wicked unto eternal condemnation. Your immortal soul, dear friend, will be among those resurrected in that day. Make sure that your life is right with God today. Don’t “greatly err” from God’s word. Tomorrow may never come and your immortal soul may be eternally lost if you heed not his will.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#34314 May 11, 2013
Student wrote:
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I see you have Walter Martin book,“Kingdom of the Cults”, is this were you get all your information?

There are a multitude of books that point out the false doctrines of the Watchtower cult. No one need restrict himself to one or even one thousand sources.

But the watchtower cult, like all cults, attempts to keep the wagons circled and to keep reality from infringing upon their Satan inspired dogma.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#34315 May 11, 2013
Student wrote:
Should Jesus’ death be commemorated weekly or perhaps even daily? Well, Christ instituted the Lord’s Evening Meal and was unjustly put to death on Passover Day. Held only once a year, on Nisan 14, the Passover commemorated Israel’s deliverance from Egyptian bondage.(Exodus 12:6, 14; Leviticus 23:5)
So the death of “Christ our passover” should be memorialized only once each year, not weekly or daily.(1 Corinthians 5:7) In observing the Lord’s Evening Meal, Christians follow the same procedure as Jesus did when he instituted it.
What, then, is meant by Paul’s words:“As often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives”?(1 Corinthians 11:26) In this text Paul used a word meaning “every time that,” or “whenever.” Thus, he was saying that whenever anointed Christians partook of the emblems, they would proclaim their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.
Anointed Christians would commemorate Christ’s death “until he arrives.” This observance would continue until Jesus’ arrival to receive his anointed followers into heaven by a resurrection to spirit life during his “presence.”(1 Thessalonians 4:14-17)
This harmonizes with Christ’s words to the 11 loyal apostles:“If I go my way and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be.”(John 14:3)
Is it necessary to partake of the Memorial emblems in order to be covered by Jesus’ sacrifice and receive everlasting life on earth?
No.
Nothing in the Bible suggests that after they are resurrected on earth, such God-fearing people as Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Rebekah, Joseph, Moses, and David will ever partake of these emblems. Yet, they and all others desiring endless life on the earth will have to exercise faith in God and Christ and in Jehovah’s provision of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.(John 3:36; 14:1)
For everlasting life, you too must exercise such faith. Your presence at the annual observance of Christ’s death serves as a reminder of that great sacrifice and should deepen your gratitude for it.
The apostle John emphasized the importance of Jesus’ sacrifice when he said:“I am writing you [fellow anointed ones] these things that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one. And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.”(1 John 2:1, 2)
Anointed ones can say that Jesus’ sacrifice is a propitiatory cover for their sins. But it is also a sacrifice for the sins of the whole world, making everlasting life possible for obedient mankind!(w04 3/15 p. 7)

RUN AWAY!
RUN AWAY!

You can't answer for the LIES of your CULT so you try to change the subject.

You and your Satanic minions have lost again.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#34316 May 11, 2013
Student wrote:
Nonblood Alternatives
Among the topics considered were blood transfusion, blood testing, and medical alternatives to human blood. Dr. C. V. Prowse, of the Scottish National Blood Transfusion Service, spoke on “Alternatives to Human Blood and Blood Resources.” He mentioned various recombinant (synthetic) growth factors that can increase blood cell levels by stimulating the body’s production of these cells. For example, erythropoietin is produced by the kidneys and stimulates the formation of red blood cells. But now this can be produced in laboratories. Dr. Prowse said that synthetic “erythropoietin is well established as a treatment for various forms of anaemia.”
A similar substance has been developed to stimulate the body’s production of blood platelets. Dr. Prowse said:“The most recent discoveries in this area are the thrombopoietic growth factors. Interleukin 11 is already licensed for its effect in improving platelet count . . . , and it seems likely that thrombopoietin and its homolog, rh-PEG-MGDF, soon will be.”
Dr. Prowse also mentioned synthetic clotting factors (plasma proteins) that have proved valuable to hemophiliacs:“Recombinant equivalents of a number of plasma proteins are licensed, and in some cases are established as the preferred therapy due to concerns over the viral infectivity of plasma-derived products.” Dr. Prowse added that “a number of other coagulation factors are now in development for production.”
N. S. Faithfull, who is affiliated with a pharmaceutical corporation, gave a presentation on perfluorocarbon (PFC) compounds. Certain perfluorocarbons can transport oxygen in the circulatory system. The first generation of these chemicals did not prove satisfactory as “artificial” blood. Has progress been made? Faithfull said:“Over the last few years, further development of PFC technology has progressed and clinical trials have been performed using [two second] generation PFC emulsions.” He reported on trials of one of these involving 256 patients undergoing orthopedic, gynecologic, or urologic surgery—procedures that often result in high blood loss. The results?“The data from both studies indicated that Oxygent was significantly better than blood at reversing these triggers [a trigger indicates a need for a blood transfusion] and that the triggers were reversed for significantly longer than the reversal caused by autologous blood.”
The congress also heard that the size of PFC particles in such emulsions “is very small . . . , about 40 times smaller than the diameter of an RBC [red blood cell]. This small size can enable PFC particles to traverse capillaries through which no RBCs are flowing.” This seems to hold promise of benefit in the case of certain damaged, blood-starved tissue.
A British physician emphasized the need of saving blood in surgical procedures. He urged this because of the shortage of blood and because of the hazards connected with transfusions. To illustrate how much can be done to reduce the use of blood, he told of a surgeon who used blood in only 10 percent of the hip operations that he performed. Other surgeons at the same hospital used blood in 70 percent of hip surgeries.

If science creates synthetic blood won't it still be blood?

And still you cannot find a rationalization against using real blood.

You failed again. You are like a clown who entertains by always tripping over his own shoes.

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#34320 May 12, 2013
Is Jesus God?


by Matt Slick

Yes, Jesus is God, but the answer needs to be expounded upon. When we say that Jesus is God we're using the term "God" in reference to the divine nature. But we have to be careful because we don't want to say Jesus is God and fail to understand that God is a Trinity. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity is that God exists as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

So, we have to be careful when we ask if Jesus is God because we have to be clear in the answer. If God is a Trinity and we say Jesus is God, then we are saying that Jesus is a Trinity. But that is not true. So in one sense the term "God" can be used to designate the totality of God as a Trinity, and in another sense it deals with the divine nature.

The correct answer is that Jesus is both divine and human. In other words, he is both God and man. God has a divine nature, and Jesus possesses the divine nature as well as the human nature. This dual nature characteristic is called the hypostatic union.

We know that Jesus is God in flesh because the Bible says many things declaring this. For example,
1.John 1:1, "in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2.John 1:14, "and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..."
3.John 8:24, "unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins."
4.John 8:58, "before Abraham was, I am."A.Exodus 3:14, "God said to Moses,“&#65279;&#65279 ;&#65279;&#65279;I AM WHO &#65279;&#65279;I AM”; and He said,“Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,‘&#65279;&#6527 9;I AM has sent me to you.’”

5.Col. 2:9, "for in him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form."
6.Heb. 1:8, "But of the Son he [The Father] says,'You're throne, O God, is forever and ever.'"

After Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, Thomas, one of the disciples, doubted that he had risen. Jesus appears to him and Thomas responds by saying to Jesus "my Lord and my God," (John 20:28). Jesus makes no correction to Thomas about this. Titus 2:13 tells us to wait for the coming of "our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus." In John 5:18 it says that Jesus "was calling God His own Father, &#65279;&#65279;making Himself equal with God."

It is clear from the Scriptures that Jesus is considered to be God in flesh; that is, he is considered to be divine. The reason is because without Jesus being both God and man, he could not make a sacrifice of sufficient value to please God the Father. If he were not a man, he would not be able to die for the sins of mankind.

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#34321 May 12, 2013
The Trinity
by Matt Slick
God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God.(See also, "Another Look at the Trinity")
Jesus, the Son, is one person with two natures: Divine and Human. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The Holy Spirit is also divine in nature and is self aware, the third person of the Trinity.
There is, though, an apparent separation of some functions among the members of the Godhead. For example, the Father chooses who will be saved (Eph. 1:4); the Son redeems them (Eph. 1:7); and the Holy Spirit seals them,(Eph. 1:13).
A further point of clarification is that God is not one person, the Father, with Jesus as a creation and the Holy Spirit as a force (Jehovah's Witnesses). Neither is He one person who took three consecutive forms, i.e., the Father, became the Son, who became the Holy Spirit. Nor is God the divine nature of the Son (where Jesus had a human nature perceived as the Son and a divine nature perceived as the Father (Oneness theology). Nor is the Trinity an office held by three separate Gods (Mormonism).
The word "person" is used to describe the three members of the Godhead because the word "person" is appropriate. A person is self aware, can speak, love, hate, say "you," "yours," "me," "mine," etc. Each of the three persons in the Trinity demonstrate these qualities.
The chart below should help you to see how the doctrine of the Trinity is systematically derived from Scripture. The list is not exhaustive, only illustrative.
The first step is to establish the biblical doctrine that there is only one God. Then, you find that each of the persons is called God, each creates, each was involved in Jesus' resurrection, each indwells, etc. Therefore, God is one, but the one God is in three simultaneous persons. Please note that the idea of a composite unity is not a foreign concept to the Bible; after all, man and wife are said to be one flesh. The idea of a composite unity of persons is spoken of by God in Genesis (Gen. 2:24).
There is only one God
The first step is to establish how many Gods exist: one! Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,14,18,21,22; 46:9; 47:8; John 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:5-6; Gal. 4:8-9
•"I am the LORD, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God," (Isaiah 45:5).
•“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me," (Isaiah 44:6).
The Trinity
FATHER
SON
HOLY SPIRIT
Called God
Phil. 1:2
John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9
Acts 5:3-4
Creator
Isaiah 64:8
John 1:3; Col. 1:15-17
Job 33:4, 26:13
Resurrects
1 Thess. 1:10
John 2:19, 10:17
Rom. 8:11
Indwells
2 Cor. 6:16
Col. 1:27
John 14:17
Everywhere
1 Kings 8:27
Matt. 28:20
Psalm 139:7-10
All knowing
1 John 3:20
John 16:30; 21:17
1 Cor. 2:10-11
Sanctifies
1 Thess. 5:23
Heb. 2:11
1 Pet. 1:2
Life giver
Gen. 2:7: John 5:21
John 1:3; 5:21
2 Cor. 3:6,8
Fellowship
1 John 1:3
1 Cor. 1:9
2 Cor. 13:14; Phil. 2:1
Eternal
Psalm 90:2
Micah 5:1-2
Rom. 8:11; Heb. 9:14
A Will
Luke 22:42
Luke 22:42
1 Cor. 12:11
Speaks
Matt. 3:17; Luke 9:25
Luke 5:20; 7:48
Acts 8:29; 11:12; 13:2
Love
John 3:16
Eph. 5:25
Rom. 15:30
Searches
the heart
Jer. 17:10
Rev. 2:23
1 Cor. 2:10
We belong to
John 17:9
John 17:6
...
Savior
1 Tim. 1:1; 2:3; 4:10
2 Tim. 1:10; Titus 1:4; 3:6
...
We serve
Matt. 4:10
Col. 3:24
...
Believe in
John 14:1
John 14:1
...
Gives joy
...
John 15:11
John 14:7
Judges
John 8:50
John 5:22,30
...
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Ella

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#34322 May 12, 2013
Student wrote:
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Maybe if you knew the Scriptures, you would see what I have pointed out to you. Jesus was even a slave, as Philippians 2:5-8, NW says-5- Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6- who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7- No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8- More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake.
Philippians 2:5-8, KJV- 5-Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:6-Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:7-But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:8-And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
The original-language words rendered “slave” or “servant” are not limited in their application to persons owned by others. The Hebrew word evedh can refer to persons owned by fellowmen.(Ge 12:16; Ex 20:17)
Or the term can designate subjects of a king (2Sa 11:21; 2Ch 10:7), subjugated peoples who paid tribute (2Sa 8:2, 6), and persons in royal service, including cupbearers, bakers, seamen, military officers, advisers, and the like, whether owned by fellowmen or not (Ge 40:20; 1Sa 29:3; 1Ki 9:27; 2Ch 8:18; 9:10; 32:9).
In respectful address, a Hebrew, instead of using the first person pronoun, would at times speak of himself as a servant (evedh) of the one to whom he was talking.(Ge 33:5, 14; 42:10, 11, 13; 1Sa 20:7, 8)
Evedh was used in referring to servants, or worshipers, of Jehovah generally (1Ki 8:36; 2Ki 10:23) and, more specifically, to special representatives of God, such as Moses.(Jos 1:1, 2; 24:29; 2Ki 21:10)
Though not a worshiper of Jehovah, one who performed a service that was in harmony with the divine will could be spoken of as God’s servant, an example being King Nebuchadnezzar.(Jer 27:6)
The Greek term doulos corresponds to the Hebrew word evedh. It is used with reference to persons owned by fellowmen (Mt 8:9; 10:24, 25; 13:27); DEVOTED SERVANTS OF GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, whether human (Ac 2:18; 4:29; Ro 1:1; Ga 1:10) or angelic (Re 19:10, where the word syndoulos [fellow slave] appears); and, in a figurative sense, to persons in slavery to sin (Joh 8:34; Ro 6:16-20) or corruption (2Pe 2:19). IT-2 Slave p. 978
God said Jesus was His SON in whom He was well pleased. Jesus has always been referred to as the Son Of God not the slave of God.
Ella

Rockford, MI

#34323 May 12, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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This is one of my favorite JW stupidisms.
Another favorite of mine goes something like this.
Gods chosen people have always been persecuted.
JW's are persecuted.
Therefore JW's are Gods chosen people.
Of course by EXACTLY the same "logic" homosexuals are gods chosen people.
As are Jews, fat people, African-Americans, Nazi's......
Excellent!
Ella

Rockford, MI

#34324 May 12, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
Final part,
•1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
•1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
•1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
•1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
•1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
•1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
•1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
•1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?.. Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
•1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?
A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect -- if that were possible" (Matt. 24:24).
Excellent points!

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#34325 May 12, 2013
Ella wrote:
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Excellent points!
Thank you Ella. Wishing you a wonderful day.

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#34328 May 12, 2013
It's so tragic to see people beliebe such false doctrine as the Jw's do. From a non believer who has never studied the bible the one or should say that comes to their attetion about the JW's is their MANY attempts to predict the end of time incorrectly as the bible clearlytells us all that no man knoweh the time when this will happen, Mark 13:32 32“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. 33And since you don’t know when that time will come, be on guard! Stay alertl!

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#34329 May 12, 2013
Being gay causes more than just being a sin in God's eyes. God knows the problems it will cause on all people. First there's the fact that gay people are obviously not christians and this will have an impact on people in and of itself. It will destroy the structure of what real marriage is all about in our lives which has been since time began. Then you have psychiatric problems on people because of the sense that life isn't normal anymore, and it wont be. The behaviour of people will change for the worse,, because the fact that most people do not condone the gay lifestyle, and those who don't, unfortunately will become more irritable and retaliation of gay people will increase. More sinful acts will increase because of gay marriage, such as rape, abnormal sexual behaviours and on and on. You remember Sodom and Gomorrah how the gay lifestyle included including rape, gang rape,and sexual torture, living simply for pleasure instead of hope in Jesus. Medical issues, family problems that will be unique only because of gay marriage. Children having two men or two women as parents, which will cause undue stress on kids. Family traditions that you and I cherish will begin to be overtaken. Look at Ellen Degeneres on how her appearance has changed to the point that she looks like a man, compared to how she looked just 10 years ago. Determing in some gay marriages who becomes the mom or dad. Entire generations will be changed from this type of marriage. There will be problems of all sorts that many people aren't even aware of. Laws will have to be changed in the future in every city, state, and federal level to accomodate these people, and this will be a chaotic task to acheive.Again the problem is this lifestyle brings down God's way of life which he knows what we need more than we do. People becoming lawless and life for christians will be even more difficult, not to mention those who are lost but having to fight their way to find the truth in a world gone wrong. Mother and daughter relationships, son and dad relationships, things women do together, things men do together. Bonding with your son or daughter will become a thing that will cause emeotional problems for sure. Mothers day, Father's day, boy and girl scouting, in other words every single thing you and I have always cherished will be changed simply to allow gay people to live a life of sin. The beauty of a marriage in which a married couple start a family the way it was meant to be, gay people cant do this obviously. Adopting kids, and increase in young girls selling their babies for the gay couples and these kids growing up in a dysfunctional lifestyle isn't what they need. The crime rate for domestic abuse will be the same for gay people also. So yes there's more to it than just saying God says it's a sin, much much more.

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