Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple...

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#34224 May 9, 2013
yon wrote:
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Words translate. Names don't If my name is Peter you better not call me Rocky, as one new "translation" has come up with. Or Pedro either! Evolution of language doesn't make it correct.
If I knew you you didn't speak any other languages, I probably wouldn't have tried to explain it to you.

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#34225 May 9, 2013
yon wrote:
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NO because that's not what that name means!
Hovah = chaos and ruin - Strong's 1943 Eze 7:26
So are you comfortable changing the identity of the Holy One?
Hovah is a completely unrelated word that has nothing to do with our discussion. The fact that a common modern pronunciation of the divine name sounds like some other unrelated Hebrew word is about as relevant as pointing out that your form of pronouncing it sounds like a vernacular memetic form of replying to "Oh really?". I.e. "Ya Way!"

http://www.epicgifs.net/images/show/6SD3VJN7
http://webassets.scea.com/forums/19338_YA_WAI...

Speaking English doesn't change the identity of the Holy One.

Come back when you know something about linguistics that you didn't take from a copy and paste website.

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#34226 May 9, 2013
No they aren't!

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#34227 May 9, 2013
I'd like to leave you with one thought, but I'm afraid that you would have no where to put it.

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#34228 May 9, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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All I see here is rhetoric. You were not able to defend your position nor to attack the fact that "Jehovah" is a transliteration error.
All you see is rhetoric? I see a number of syllogisms.

For example:

Premise: Name means - "a word or a combination of words by which a person, place, or thing, a body or class, or any object of thought is designated, called, or known."
Premise: People from a hypothetical future designate, call or know you as Cksdolkeensdipl.
Conclusion: Your name is Cksdolkeensdipl.

Premise: In our hypothetical future, your name is Cksdolkeensdipl.
Premise: You said: "If, 10,000 years from now someone refers to me as Cksdolkeensdipl, because that is something of the equivalent of my name in that language, that will still not be my name."
Conclusion: You were either using a definition of name that you made up on the spot to try and prove your ignorant claims, or you are just wrong.

I looked over all of the different definitions for name in the dictionary. None of them will help you here, because you probably didn't bother to check the dictionary or learn the proper definition of name in elementary.

I've studied logic extensively in my life, and barring a few irrelevant inconsistencies written into them for rhetorical purposes, the above conclusions are completely sound and irrefutable. My point is made, whether you can keep up with Aristotelian logic or not.

It was never my objective in the post you quoted to "attack the fact that ; 'Jehovah' is a transliteration error". Merely, it was to demonstrate that names are still words at the end of the day, and while they are among the most difficult words to translate and change, it still happens, and transliteration is not always appropriate. Before dictionaries, there was no standardized spelling for English, so yes, your comparatively nescient self needs to kneel before the dictionary's authority.

Please say you don't have to so that I can smash Romans 13 down on your face.(Figuratively)
Dogen wrote:
Only a brainwashed dub would defend the Watchtowerism cult.
Unsubstantiated opinion. Dismissed.
Dogen wrote:
What are the translation (transliteration)credentials of the propagandists who published the NWT (New World Travesty)?
I've never heard of the New World Travesty.
Dogen wrote:
Isn't it true that the most educated member of the group could was not fully literate (much less expert) in either Hebrew or Greek?
Assuming you're speaking of the New World Translation:

Isn't it true that you don't have the slightest clue who the translators were and need me to agree to your loaded question so that you can even use it in an argument, because unless I simply accept it as a fact it is impossible for you to substantiate your irrelevant claim?

Well, unfortunately for you, I just opened a NWT and looked on one of the front pages (figuratively), and all it says is: New World Bible Translation Committee.

That's who translated it. If you become psychic someday and can tell me who did it and what their credentials were, let me know. Until then, though, the answer is, you don't know.

The translation itself, though, is sound.

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#34229 May 9, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Same two points remain. Names change (with the language), but a particular persons name does not.
I'd quote you several translators that say differently, and specially in regard to religious texts, but it's wasted on you. First show me that you accept the dictionary, and one step at a time, we'll work on getting you to a point where you think rationally.
Dogen wrote:
"Jehovah" is no longer in wide spread usage except among zombie cult members,
Prove it. Show me statistics about usage of Yahweh Vs. Jehovah. If you're going to exclude Jws, you would also need to remove Jewish Scholars, since they use Hebrew/Yiddish liturgically anyway, so of course they are going to try and say the name in Hebrew.

Note: Failure to prove it in response to this post will automatically retract the point for lack of substantiation.
Dogen wrote:
most of whom could not thing for themselves even BEFORE they became dub's. Which is obviously WHY they became watchtowerites. People who are well educated, intelligent and have good self esteem are more resistant to cult induction techniques.
How would you know the thoughts of the educated when you don't seem educated yourself? I know that you don't have the required knowledge to say anything about the divine name or otherwise without having read the work and/or opinions of others. When you can speak Hebrew then you can say that you "thing [sic]" for yourself.
Dogen wrote:
The watchtower even discourages people from getting an education. In the early days that was because there was no point as the world was going to end any day (I know that is taking liberties with what the cult actually believes).
The religion encourages everyone to obtain the best education that they can. There's a difference between studying organic chemistry, linear algebra, and Macro-economics while all you want is a degree in the arts and using your time efficiently to maximize your learning in the fields you care about. It's not our fault the education system in this country (and most) is retarded and inefficient.

I study as a hobby. I rejected the scholarship offered to me and never turned in my college credits, because having some worthless degree wasn't going to increase my income or my knowledge. When I'm bored I buy books and read (I only read non-fiction) them at once -- and I learn faster this way then when I was taking AP classes.

I'm studying personal and business law like that atm (at the moment, for those incapable of 'googling' acronyms), and working for an investment company since Finance and Economics were some of my strongest subjects.
Dogen wrote:
Today it is to keep the rank and file as ignorant as possible as they ask fewer questions and are easier to control.
Unsubstantiated. Dismissed.
Student

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#34230 May 9, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
Sadly the Jehovah Witnesses are one of the most confused people when it comes to comprehending the bible. Their interpretations are easily seen to be so far off from what the bible says. They have on so many occassions attempted to tell the world that on several different dates that the Lord was coming. The worst was in 1975 when members again were told the Lord was coming and were told to sell there posessions and not to buy anything or to apply for college and on and on. This was the worst ever as many committed suicide, didn't have jobs because most had quit their job because the Lord was coming. They believe that blood transfusion is a sin, which it isn't, they believe in a new earth and only 144,000 will be on it. This is a tragic case of total ignorance of the bible.
Where have you gotten your information? This is a bunch of lies.

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#34231 May 9, 2013
"Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple of Jesus Christ." No they aren't!

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#34232 May 9, 2013
FARKEL wrote:
Jehovah in scripture…
Isaiah 47:11 (Mischief is actually the same as jehovah)
This Hebrew word is “hovah” and means
ruin or mischief. It is where the name
Jehovah comes from, which cannot be the
Father's name as there is no letter 'J' in
Hebrew, and Yahweh is not Elohim of
mischief. Jehovah is a false combination of
taking the four letters for the name Yahweh,
Y H W H and putting in the vowels for
Adonai. Jewish Rabbis started this tradition
during second temple times as they began to
think the sacred name YAHWEH was too
holy to pronounce. So not to inadvertently
pronounce the name they changed the
vowel pointing in the Masoretic text with
the vowels of Adonai.
Well, that's very interesting.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#34233 May 9, 2013
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1. GIFT OF TONGUES CEASES….Paul goes on, in the thirteenth chapter of his letter to the Corinthians, to show them the lowly position of tongues as compared with more important matters, especially the “surpassing way” of love. Even those blessed with the gift of tongues “become a sounding piece of brass or a clashing cymbal” if they do not exercise love, he explained.(1 Cor. 12:31; 13:1) And to emphasize the importance and permanence of love as compared to the miraculous gifts of the spirit, he wrote:“Love never fails. But whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with.”—1 Corinthians 13:8
On the basis of Paul’s words here, there should be no question that the miraculous gifts of the spirit were to pass away. But when? It is argued by some that, since Paul said that ‘tongues are a sign to the unbelievers,’ they would not pass away until unbelievers passed away, that is, until there were no longer any unbelievers.(1 Cor. 14:22) But is that the point Paul is making in this thirteenth chapter? No, it is not. In this chapter he does not associate the cessation of tongues with unbelievers, but, rather, he is comparing the temporariness of the gifts of the spirit with the permanence of love; and he links the transitoriness of these gifts, not with unbelievers, but with the infancy of Christianity.

This is called "rationalization".

Obviously it is not meant to convince others as it is far to superfluous, tangential, spurious and frankly weak to do so. It is to maintain the belief of those who already believe and WANT to believe.

This is typical of cult propaganda just as the Watchtower is typical of cult behavior and authority.

So very typical.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#34234 May 9, 2013
Student wrote:
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2. As I have posted before the Hebrew original-language words “evedh” rendered “slave” or “servant” was used in referring to servants, or worshipers, of Jehovah generally (1Ki 8:36; 2Ki 10:23) and, more specifically, to special representatives of God, such as Moses.(Jos 1:1, 2; 24:29; 2Ki 21:10)

Actually servant is not a good translation of Evedh and "slave" is an abysmal translation.

There is no good, one word, translation for this concept. It implies something joined together but not equal.'Brothers'(older and younger), TEACHER - PUPIL or disciple, spouse (at least in biblical times), yoked together, bound by blood, oath, or permanent commitment....

A prophet could be described as a evedh to God. Messiah would clearly be evedh to God.

A servant could be a evedh to the master, but this would be more like a follower, NOT as SLAVE!

There is mutual commitment but again, not on equal footing.


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#34235 May 9, 2013
Student wrote:
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3. Jesus Christ : The only-begotten Son of God, the only Son produced by Jehovah alone. This Son is the firstborn of all creation. By means of him all other things in heaven and on earth were created. He is the second-greatest personage in the universe. It is this Son whom Jehovah sent to the earth to give his life as a ransom for mankind, thus opening the way to eternal life for those of Adam’s offspring who would exercise faith. This same Son, restored to heavenly glory, now rules as King, with authority to destroy all the wicked and to carry out his Father’s original purpose for the earth.

What is a "Jehovah"? Sounds like something someone made up.

Oh, that's right, THEY DID!

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#34236 May 9, 2013
yon wrote:
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And how often are dubs regaled with of the dangers of "independent thinking" and how it leads to apostasy? And you're supposed to make the mental connection that it's a lead pipe cinch because those anonymous men in Brooklyn who write all those articles are the faithful and discreet slave. So it must be true and are the words of God himself.

It is somewhat subtle, but dubs are actually required to hold the writing of the Watchtower ABOVE the bible.

They will all deny this, but the fact is the Watchtower puts forth all interpretation and one can only come to an understanding of the Bible through the Watchtower.

So the chain is that one comes to God through 'Jesus', to Jesus from the Bible, and the Bible through the Watchtower. They are gate keeper AND key master.
Student

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#34237 May 9, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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This is called "rationalization".
Obviously it is not meant to convince others as it is far to superfluous, tangential, spurious and frankly weak to do so. It is to maintain the belief of those who already believe and WANT to believe.
This is typical of cult propaganda just as the Watchtower is typical of cult behavior and authority.
So very typical.
Read for yourself (1 Cor. 13:8)

The Scriptures show that the miraculous gifts given to first-century Christians were only temporary in nature.

“Love never fails. But whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease.”(1 Cor. 13:8)

Does the Bible give any indication as to when the gifts would cease? Yes, it does.

Read for yourself the reported cases when the gift of tongues accompanied the outpouring of holy spirit: Acts 2:1-4, 14; 10:44-48; 19:6.

You will notice that in every case one or more of the apostles of Jesus Christ were present. According to Acts 8:18,“through the laying on of the hands of the apostles the spirit was given.”

Logically, then, with the death of the apostles, the transmitting of the gifts of the spirit, including the gift of tongues, ceased.

The gift of tongues had served its purpose. It had been well established that the Christian congregation had God’s favor and backing. Moreover, Christians had grown in number and had been dispersed to many lands, carrying the “good news” with them.(Compare Colossians 1:23)

‘But if the gifts have ceased, then what accounts for modern-day manifestations?’ some may ask.

“We are also aware that a similar phenomenon can occur under occult/demonic influence,” admitted a joint statement by the Fountain Trust and the Church of England Evangelical Council.

Could it be possible that the modern-day gift of tongues is not from God? Admittedly, accepting this may be difficult for those who claim to have the gift.

Of the 5,000,000 adult Americans who claim to speak in tongues, 33 percent do not even believe that the Devil is a personal being and that he can influence others. Well, then, how can you know for sure from what source modern-day manifestations come?

Jesus provided the key for identifying true Christians when he declared:“Every good tree produces fine fruit.”(Matt. 7:17) w81 8/15 p. 6

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#34238 May 9, 2013
Student wrote:
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If you really want to learn HOW TO BECOME A TRUE CHRISTIAN goto www.jw.org and download this book called “WHAT DOES THE BIBLE Really TEACH?

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

In other words if you want to be deceived by lecherous, lying, doubletalk then go to jw.org .....

Remember the old WWJD from the 80's?

The Watchtower is exactly the OPPOSITE of that.

Jesus taught "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Watchtower teaches: Reject everyone but JWs

Jesus dinned with sinners.
JW's reject sinners.

Jesus taught "seek and ye shall find"
JW's teach: "don't dare to question the Watchtower".

Jesus taught he was one with God.
JW's teach that he was the Archangel Michael.

Jesus taught salvation by grace.
JW's teach salvation by works (specifically brainwashing others).

Jesus taught there was one God.
JW's think they are all God.

Jesus taught about Hell.
JW's deny the existence of hell (Matthew 25:46).

More at:
http://www.contenderministries.org/jehovahswi...

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#34240 May 9, 2013
FARKEL wrote:
God's name is not "Jehovah".
The word "Jehovah" is a word invented and fabricated by a Catholic Monk.
For all the world the information is testable, where the name Jehovah comes from, available on the Internet. On Wikipedia under the search word Jehovah, we find the following information:
The name Jehovah already occurs repeatedly in the 13th Century in the Latin form of Jehovah. The Spanish monk Raymond Mantini, translated about 1270 different parts of the Bible from the Hebrew. In his manuscripts is on the right side the Hebrew text and on the left the Latin with Iehovah.
Cardinal Nikolaus of Kues used the Tetragrammaton vocalized as Jehovah in several of his works, 1428, in his Sermon In Principio Erat Verbum.
Petrus Galatinus published in the year 1518 his work "De Arcnis catholicae veritatis".
As William Tyndale, translated the Pentateuch 1530, he erroneously transferred the Tetragrammaton by using the fabricated word Jehovah.
This information tell us:
The name Jehovah was only formed in the Middle Ages in its current form - well, actually invented!
The creators of the name Jehovah were Catholic monks!
The creation of the name Jehovah was willful!
The name Jehovah is the work of man!
Anyone who worships this name turns to a human invention!
Anyone who says this name would be in the original texts - is lying!

Nice post.
Student

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#34246 May 9, 2013
Jehovah's Witnesses reject Babylon’s blasphemous doctrines as taught in the false religions of the world. We render worship to the one true God, Jehovah, through his Son, who became “a propitiatory sacrifice” for the sins not only of anointed Christians but of the whole world of mankind.(1 John 2:2)

We, who since 1914 have been living in “the Lord’s day” and at this time of divine judgment, rejoice in the grandest of all privileges, that of serving the Sovereign Lord Jehovah under his King of kings, Jesus Christ.(Revelation 1:10) As JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES, we testify that:

(1) WE ABHOR the reproach that Babylon the Great, and Christendom in particular, has cast upon the name of the one true and living God, Jehovah. For our part, WE AFFIRM wholeheartedly, in the words of Revelation 4:11:“You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power.”

(2) WE ABHOR Christendom’s adherence to Babylonish teachings, notably those of a triune god, the human soul’s immortality, eternal torment in hell, a fiery purgatory, and worship of images—such as the Madonna and the cross. In line with Revelation 22:18, 19, WE FIRMLY ABIDE by God’s written Word and all that it contains.

(3) WE ABHOR anti-God philosophies and practices, so common in Christendom, such as evolution, blood transfusions, abortions, lying, greed, and dishonesty. In our worship and way of life, WE WILL HONOR our Creator, Jehovah God, the Almighty, whose ways are described at Revelation 15:3 as “righteous and true.”

(4) WE ABHOR Christendom’s failure to heed Jesus’ messages to the seven congregations at Revelation chapters 2 and 3 in such matters as sectarianism, idolatry, fornication, the Jezebel influence, lukewarmness, and lack of watchfulness. For our part, WE WILL HEAR AND OBEY what “the spirit says to the congregations.”

(5) WE ABHOR the immorality and permissiveness in Christendom and among its clergy, and we welcome Jehovah’s clear judgment stated at Revelation 21:8 that those who continue in their filth—fornicators, liars, and suchlike—will be utterly destroyed. WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT Bible standards on sex, marriage, and family life.

(6) WE ABHOR the centuries-long spiritual prostitution of the clergy of Babylon the Great in conniving with worldly rulers to gain power, wealth, and oppressive dominance over the common people. WE ARE RESOLVED to help honesthearted ones to obey the angel’s call at Revelation 18:4:“Get out of her, my people.”

(7) WE ABHOR the massive bloodguilt resulting from over 100 million lives sacrificed in war in this century alone, largely attributable to the great harlot’s fornication with the political powers. WE REJOICE that the appointed time is near for God to execute judicial punishment on Babylon the Great, as clearly stated at Revelation 18:21-24.

As Jehovah’s Witnesses, WE COUNT IT A JOY AND A PRIVILEGE to announce to the world that in 1914 “the kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord [Jehovah] and of his Christ.”(Revelation 11:15)

WE ARE RESOLVED to move forward fearlessly in making known Jehovah’s declared judgments on Babylon the Great and in warning of the imminence of God’s war of Armageddon.

WE ARE DETERMINED to echo, in a loud voice and “to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,” the glad tidings that “a new heaven and a new earth” are at hand for the blessing of obedient mankind.(Revelation 14:6; 21:1)

WE REJOICE that as a result of this proclamation, a great crowd of more than seven million from all nations is now united with us around the globe. Along with the angel flying in midheaven, all of us declare:“Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”(Revelation 14:7) w89 4/15 pp. 18, 19
Student

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#34247 May 9, 2013
Jehovah's Witness reject Babylon’s blasphemous doctrines as taught in the false religions of the world. We render worship to the one true God, Jehovah, through his Son, who became “a propitiatory sacrifice” for the sins not only of anointed Christians but of the whole world of mankind.(1 John 2:2)

We, who since 1914 have been living in “the Lord’s day” and at this time of divine judgment, rejoice in the grandest of all privileges, that of serving the Sovereign Lord Jehovah under his King of kings, Jesus Christ.(Revelation 1:10) As JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES, we testify that:

(1) WE ABHOR the reproach that Babylon the Great, and Christendom in particular, has cast upon the name of the one true and living God, Jehovah. For our part, WE AFFIRM wholeheartedly, in the words of Revelation 4:11:“You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power.”

(2) WE ABHOR Christendom’s adherence to Babylonish teachings, notably those of a triune god, the human soul’s immortality, eternal torment in hell, a fiery purgatory, and worship of images—such as the Madonna and the cross. In line with Revelation 22:18, 19, WE FIRMLY ABIDE by God’s written Word and all that it contains.

(3) WE ABHOR anti-God philosophies and practices, so common in Christendom, such as evolution, blood transfusions, abortions, lying, greed, and dishonesty. In our worship and way of life, WE WILL HONOR our Creator, Jehovah God, the Almighty, whose ways are described at Revelation 15:3 as “righteous and true.”

(4) WE ABHOR Christendom’s failure to heed Jesus’ messages to the seven congregations at Revelation chapters 2 and 3 in such matters as sectarianism, idolatry, fornication, the Jezebel influence, lukewarmness, and lack of watchfulness. For our part, WE WILL HEAR AND OBEY what “the spirit says to the congregations.”

(5) WE ABHOR the immorality and permissiveness in Christendom and among its clergy, and we welcome Jehovah’s clear judgment stated at Revelation 21:8 that those who continue in their filth—fornicators, liars, and suchlike—will be utterly destroyed. WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT Bible standards on sex, marriage, and family life.

(6) WE ABHOR the centuries-long spiritual prostitution of the clergy of Babylon the Great in conniving with worldly rulers to gain power, wealth, and oppressive dominance over the common people. WE ARE RESOLVED to help honesthearted ones to obey the angel’s call at Revelation 18:4:“Get out of her, my people.”

(7) WE ABHOR the massive bloodguilt resulting from over 100 million lives sacrificed in war in this century alone, largely attributable to the great harlot’s fornication with the political powers. WE REJOICE that the appointed time is near for God to execute judicial punishment on Babylon the Great, as clearly stated at Revelation 18:21-24.

As Jehovah’s Witnesses, WE COUNT IT A JOY AND A PRIVILEGE to announce to the world that in 1914 “the kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord [Jehovah] and of his Christ.”(Revelation 11:15)

WE ARE RESOLVED to move forward fearlessly in making known Jehovah’s declared judgments on Babylon the Great and in warning of the imminence of God’s war of Armageddon.

WE ARE DETERMINED to echo, in a loud voice and “to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,” the glad tidings that “a new heaven and a new earth” are at hand for the blessing of obedient mankind.(Revelation 14:6; 21:1)

WE REJOICE that as a result of this proclamation, a great crowd of more than seven million from all nations is now united with us around the globe.

Along with the angel flying in midheaven, all of us declare:“Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”(Revelation 14:7) w89 4/15 pp. 18, 19

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#34250 May 9, 2013
yon wrote:
It is a very cold and unforgiving organization just like the Pharisaical one condemned by Messiah who rejected him and the pronouncing of his father's name just as jw's reject the real names of G-d and his Son
How do you "know" so much about "them", yon?

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#34251 May 9, 2013
Student wrote:
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Where have you gotten your information? This is a bunch of lies.
From the pamphlets they bring to people's doors years ago. you can find all of these pamphlet online, obviously there not available from the JH's because they destroyed and made sure the young people would never know of their false doctrine. s o again the info I gave shows the pamphlet # and page.

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