Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple...

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#34020 Apr 22, 2013
Student wrote:
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I have save this, and will read it, and print it and I'll also question one of the elders about it. There are so many lies about us on the internet, that I really do not have time to check them all out.

Translation: I am afraid of the reality that is out there and have been told not to look.

As I have demonstrated, many of these "lied" are the absolute truth.

Did you know your cult used to use subliminal message in their artwork?

Did you know your cult uses pagan and occult symbols?

You always run away from these sorts of issues. It is not hard to understand why you are so afraid.

http://www.bible.ca/Jw-internet.htm#notbible

Student wrote:
<quoted text>The experiences of Jehovah’s people in these “last days” have certainly proved Jesus’ words to be true:“Happy are you whenever men hate you, and whenever they exclude you and reproach you and cast out your name as wicked for the sake of the Son of man.

These are not the last days. Even the WT cult has been slowing pulling away from that. And who cares about the pagan god Jehovah's people?

Yahweh's people have suffered far more than you can imagine.


Student wrote:
<quoted text> Rejoice in that day and leap, for, look! your reward is great in heaven, for those are the same things their forefathers used to do to the prophets.”(Luke 6:22, 23; 2 Timothy 3:1)

But WT cult members are not going to heaven. Isn't that right?




[QUOTE who="Student "]<quoted text> Yes, God’s servants can faithfully endure all manner of persecution, and do so joyfully.

Whatever gets you to continue to avoid reality, big guy. I know how cults work. What I said before I still say. You are to weak to deal with reality, so you really may be better off being a member of a cult that has all the answers.

Babies are given milk because that is all they can handle. Maybe someday you will be ready for solid food, but that day is not today.


“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#34022 Apr 22, 2013
yon wrote:
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Yes why?

Because it is not as good as more recent translations from modern scholarship and older (in places) documents.

The KJV is very colored by the prevailing theology of the time. Translations like the NASB (while still overly traditional) is more literal and does not have any overriding theological bias.
Student

Cananea, Mexico

#34023 Apr 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
Translation: I am afraid of the reality that is out there and have been told not to look.
As I have demonstrated, many of these "lied" are the absolute truth.
Did you know your cult used to use subliminal message in their artwork?
Did you know your cult uses pagan and occult symbols?
You always run away from these sorts of issues. It is not hard to understand why you are so afraid.
http://www.bible.ca/Jw-internet.htm#notbible
<quoted text>
These are not the last days. Even the WT cult has been slowing pulling away from that. And who cares about the pagan god Jehovah's people?
Yahweh's people have suffered far more than you can imagine.
<quoted text>
Whatever gets you to continue to avoid reality, big guy. I know how cults work. What I said before I still say. You are to weak to deal with reality, so you really may be better off being a member of a cult that has all the answers.
Babies are given milk because that is all they can handle. Maybe someday you will be ready for solid food, but that day is not today.
Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a Cult?

JESUS CHRIST was accused of being a drunkard, a glutton, a Sabbath breaker, a false witness, a blasphemer of God, and a messenger of Satan. He was also accused of being subversive.—Matthew 9:34; 11:19; 12:24; 26:65; John 8:13; 9:16; 19:12.

After Jesus’ death and resurrection, his disciples were likewise the target of serious accusations. One group of first-century Christians were dragged to the city rulers by people crying out:‘These men have overturned the inhabited earth.’(Acts 17:6) On another occasion the apostle Paul and his companion Silas were taken to the authorities and charged with greatly disturbing the city of Philippi.—Acts 16:20.

Paul was later accused of being a “pestilent fellow and stirring up seditions among all the Jews throughout the inhabited earth” and of trying “to profane the temple.”(Acts 24:5, 6) The principal men of the Jews in Rome accurately described the situation of Jesus’ followers when they acknowledged:“For truly as regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against.”—Acts 28:22.

Evidently, this new group established by Jesus Christ was considered by some to be a religious group with radical views and practices that clashed with what was accepted in those days as normal social behavior. Undoubtedly, many today would have considered the Christians a destructive cult. The accusers were often prominent and respected members of the community, and this seems to have added weight to the allegations. Many believed the accusations against Jesus and his disciples. Yet, as you probably know, every one of these charges was false! The fact that people said these things did not make them true.

What about today? Would it be accurate to refer to Jehovah’s Witnesses as a religious group with radical views and practices that clash with what is accepted as normal social behavior? Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a cult?

Cont...
Student

Cananea, Mexico

#34024 Apr 22, 2013
What the Evidence Shows

A government official of the city of St. Petersburg, Russia, explained:“Jehovah’s Witnesses were presented to us as some kind of underground sect sitting in the darkness and slaughtering children and killing themselves.” However, the people of Russia have recently become better acquainted with the true nature of the Witnesses.

After working with Jehovah’s Witnesses in connection with an international convention, the same official observed:“Now I see normal, smiling people, even better than many people I know. They are peaceful and calm, and they love one another very much.” He added:“I really do not understand why people tell such lies about them.”

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not hold ritualistic meetings, nor is their worship cloaked in secrecy. Non-Witness author Julia Mitchell Corbett notes:“When they meet, usually more than once a week, in Kingdom Halls (their meeting sites are not called churches), most of their time is spent in Bible study and discussion.” Their meeting places are clearly marked with a sign. The meetings are open, and the general public is invited to attend. Unannounced guests are more than welcome.

The “Witnesses have earned the reputation of being honest, courteous, and industrious,” adds Corbett in her book Religion in America. Many who are not Witnesses readily acknowledge that there is nothing freakish or bizarre about Jehovah’s Witnesses. Their conduct does not clash with what is accepted as normal social behavior.

The New Encyclopædia Britannica accurately states that the Witnesses “insist upon a high moral code in personal conduct.”

The director of news and special projects for a television station in the United States wrote to Jehovah’s Witnesses in response to a biased report about the Witnesses on the TV news show 60 Minutes.

He said:“If more people lived the way your faith does, this nation wouldn’t be in the shape it is in. I am one newsman who knows that your organization is founded on love and a strong faith in the Creator. I want you to know that not all News people are as biased.”

Cont...
Student

Cananea, Mexico

#34025 Apr 22, 2013
A Well-Known Religion

Is it fair to say that Jehovah’s Witnesses are a small fringe religious group? In a sense, Jehovah’s Witnesses are few in number compared to some religions. However, recall what Jesus said:“Narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.”—Matthew 7:13, 14.

At any rate, the Witnesses are far from being a small fringe cult. In the spring of 1993, more than 11 million people attended the Witnesses’ Memorial of Christ’s death. But more important than their number are their moral character and exemplary behavior, which have brought them worldwide commendation. Undoubtedly this has been a factor in countries that have given them official recognition as a known, bona fide religion.

Outstanding is a recent ruling by the European Court of Human Rights. It declared that the Witnesses should enjoy freedom of thought, conscience, and religion and that they have the right to speak about their faith and teach it to others.

This would hardly be the case if Jehovah’s Witnesses were known to use deceptive and unethical techniques to recruit members or if they used manipulative methods to control the minds of their followers.

Multitudes around the world are well acquainted with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Of the millions of non-Witnesses who are studying the Bible with the Witnesses or who have studied with them at one time or another, we ask, Were there any attempts to brainwash you?

Did the Witnesses employ mind-control techniques on you?“No” would doubtless be your frank response. Obviously, if these methods had been used, there would be an overwhelming number of victims in contradiction to any argument in favor of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Cont...
Student

Cananea, Mexico

#34026 Apr 22, 2013
“Absorbed in Humanity”

Cult members often isolate themselves from family, friends, and even society in general.

Is that the case with Jehovah’s Witnesses?

“I do not belong to Jehovah’s Witnesses,” wrote a newsman in the Czech Republic. Yet he added:“It is obvious that they [Jehovah’s Witnesses] have tremendous moral strength.... They recognize governmental authorities but believe that only God’s Kingdom is capable of solving all human problems. But watch it—they are not fanatics. They are people who are absorbed in humanity.”

And they do not live in communes, isolating themselves from relatives and others. Jehovah’s Witnesses recognize that it is their Scriptural responsibility to love and care for their families. They live and work with people of all races and religions. When disasters strike, they are quick to respond with relief supplies and other humanitarian assistance.

More important, they are engaged in an educational program that has no comparison. How many religions have an organized system to pay personal visits to every individual in their community?

Jehovah’s Witnesses do this in more than 200 lands and in more than 200 languages! Clearly, Jehovah’s Witnesses are “absorbed in humanity.”

Cont...
Student

Cananea, Mexico

#34027 Apr 22, 2013
Strict Adherence to the Bible

Admittedly, the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses are different from those provided by the churches.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jehovah is the almighty God and that Jesus is his Son, not part of a triune deity.

Their faith is anchored in the belief that God’s Kingdom alone can bring relief to suffering humanity. They warn people of the imminent destruction of this corrupt system of things. They preach about God’s promise of an earthly paradise for obedient mankind.

They do not venerate the cross. They do not celebrate Christmas. They believe that the soul is mortal and that there is no hellfire. They will not eat blood, nor will they accept blood transfusions. They abstain from involvement in politics and participation in warfare. Have you ever asked yourself why the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses are so different?

A Massachusetts newspaper, the Daily Hampshire Gazette, explains that Jehovah’s Witnesses’“strict interpretation of the Bible forbids many activities others take for granted ..., all in an effort to follow the example of first-century Christians and the word of the Bible.”

The Encyclopedia of Religion agrees that “all that they believe is based on the Bible. They ‘proof text’(that is, supply a biblical citation to support) almost every statement of faith, taking for granted the authority of the Bible, which entirely supplants tradition.”

The book Religion in America states:“The group has never wavered from its focus on Bible study, and its teachings are supported by an elaborate system of references to scripture.”

Cont...
Student

Cananea, Mexico

#34028 Apr 22, 2013
Who Is Their Leader?

It is precisely because of this close adherence to Bible teachings that the veneration and idolization of human leaders so characteristic of cults today is not to be found among Jehovah’s Witnesses.

They reject the concept of a clergy-laity distinction. The Encyclopedia of Religion aptly states about Jehovah’s Witnesses:“A clergy class and distinctive titles are prohibited.”

They follow Jesus Christ as their Leader and as Head of the Christian congregation. It was Jesus who said:“Do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your teacher, whereas all you are brothers.

Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for your Leader is one, the Christ.”—Matthew 23:8-12.

It is clear that Jehovah’s Witnesses are as far from being a cult as Jesus was from being a glutton and a drunkard. Admittedly, not everyone who was influenced by the false reports about Jesus and his disciples fell into the trap of slandering him. Some may simply have been misinformed.

If you have questions about Jehovah’s Witnesses and their beliefs, why not get to know them better? The doors to their Kingdom Halls are wide open to all who seek truth.

You can also benefit from their careful search for accurate Bible knowledge and learn how to worship God in harmony with Jesus’ words:“The hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him.”—John 4:23.(Watchtower 2/15/1994)
Student

Cananea, Mexico

#34029 Apr 22, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Because it is not as good as more recent translations from modern scholarship and older (in places) documents.
The KJV is very colored by the prevailing theology of the time. Translations like the NASB (while still overly traditional) is more literal and does not have any overriding theological bias.
Why not Holman Christian Standard Bible?

Exodus 6:3 I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but I did not reveal My name Yahweh to them.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#34031 Apr 23, 2013
Student wrote:
<quoted text> Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a Cult?
JESUS CHRIST was accused of being a ....

We are not talking about Jesus Christ. We are talking about a modern cult that abuses his teaching, lies to its followers, encourages it's members to lie in court, pays off people who would sue them, mandates practices that have lead to people dying, kicks out members for speaking out about unethical practices, uses psychological manipulation, teaches unethical, high pressure, sales and marketing techniques, rewrites the bible and its own history as needed, changes the name of the Father, makes up pseudonyms for Jesus, mandates authority OVER the bible, threatens members with disfellowship,...... Feel free to ask questions or ask me to prove ANY of the above.

But I know you don't have the honest guts to do so.

[QUOTE who="Student "]<quoted text> After Jesus’ death and resurrection, his disciples were likewise the target of serious accusations......

There is a difference between false accusations and what we know the Watchtower cult is actually guilty of.

You like to pretend to be just like the 1st century Christians, but you actually know nothing about them, their culture, their beliefs, the political climate they lived under,....

You are the fools gold of Christianity.
Student

Cananea, Mexico

#34037 Apr 23, 2013
Dogen you seem to believe every thing you read, whether on the internet of some book that is not of the Holy Scriptures.

2 Timothy 3:16,17-16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

The book of Enoch is not in the Bible, Enoch is not the writer of the “Book of Enoch.” This is an uninspired, apocryphal book written many centuries later.

The Book of Enoch is an apocryphal and pseudepigraphic text. It is falsely ascribed to Enoch. Produced probably sometime during the second and first centuries B.C.E., it is a collection of extravagant and unhistorical Jewish myths, evidently the product of exegetical elaborations on the brief Genesis reference to Enoch. This alone is sufficient for lovers of God’s inspired Word to dismiss it.

Student

Cananea, Mexico

#34042 Apr 23, 2013
yon wrote:
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Student you obviously have believed everything you've been fed by the wtbt$$$ and can't see truth.
FYI, I have never believed the trinity doctrine even before I knew anything about the faith of Jehovah's Witnessess. I have studied the Bible for over 55 years, and they are the first Christian faith that can prove their belief from the Scriptures.

The study aids are also Bible based.

1 Thessalonians 2:3-4
For the exhortation we give does not arise from error or from uncleanness or with deceit, 4 but, just as we have been proved by God as fit to be entrusted with the good news, so we speak, as pleasing, not men, but God, who makes proof of our hearts.
TrumpetCallofGod Online

Hastings, NE

#34047 Apr 23, 2013
BROOD OF VIPERS! Congregation of sly and deceitful soothsayers!... All you smooth-talkers, who lull My people to sleep and seduce My children to commit fornication with the harlot!... With your speech you woo My people to follow you into death! Your counsel brings them down to the pit! You provide My people with security, in false hope, and put forth divinations of peace and safety, preaching prosperity in monologues of false praise and fake passion, misusing My own Word to uphold your foundation!... Twisting it for unrighteous gain!... Shall I not repay?! Shall not My discipline be very severe?!

CHURCHES OF MEN! Have you taken no thought to My judgments?! How is it you have ignored My every admonition?!... Admonitions which you were to ponder on your beds at night, and dwell upon while gazing at your reflection in the morning.

Lo, I have whispered to you in a still small voice, yet you had no ears to hear. Behold, I have written to you by the pen of My prophets, yet you refused to see. Yea, I have shouted to you by the mouth of My messengers, yet you would not give heed!... Rather, you think Me evil and My speech contemptible!

Yet in My love I have spoken to you; in My mercy I have warned you. Yea, many of My servants have been pricked in their hearts, and have confronted these men in authority. Yes, they have pointed the finger at all these perverse doctrines and are unsettled by all these detestable traditions, for they are The Called Out. Yes, My servants are unsettled and have come out, for I have pricked them in their hearts, to the cause of the great division... For I have brought this sword! Therefore, let the uproar ensue!

For The Name of God has been polluted

And the sanctity of My Word corrupted, for evil gain!...

THE CHURCHES OF MEN ARE UNCLEAN!

Therefore must My people come out from among them,

That I may break apart all these false foundations!

That I may bring down all these high walls and towering steeples!

http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5...

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#34048 Apr 23, 2013
Student wrote:
Dogen you seem to believe every thing you read, whether on the internet of some book that is not of the Holy Scriptures.
2 Timothy 3:16,17-16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
The book of Enoch is not in the Bible, Enoch is not the writer of the “Book of Enoch.” This is an uninspired, apocryphal book written many centuries later.

The book of Enoch was considered scripture. Enoch is quoted by other biblical writers.

Jude 1:14-15

"The Book of Enoch was extant centuries before the birth of Christ and yet is considered by many to be more Christian in its theology than Jewish. It was considered scripture by many early Christians. The earliest literature of the so-called "Church Fathers" is filled with references to this mysterious book. The early second century "Epistle of Barnabus" makes much use of the Book of Enoch. Second and Third Century "Church Fathers" like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origin and Clement of Alexandria all make use of the Book of Enoch. Tertullian (160-230 C.E) even called the Book of Enoch "Holy Scripture". The Ethiopic Church even added the Book of Enoch to its official canon. It was widely known and read the first three centuries after Christ. This and many other books became discredited after the Council of Laodicea. And being under ban of the authorities, afterwards it gradually passed out of circulation. "

http://reluctant-messenger.com/enoch.htm


[QUOTE who="Student "] The Book of Enoch is an apocryphal and pseudepigraphic text. It is falsely ascribed to Enoch.

LOL! All the books of the O.T. and over half of the N.T. are technically pseudepigraphical! Produced probably sometime during the second and first centuries B.C.E., it is a collection of extravagant and unhistorical Jewish myths, evidently the product of exegetical elaborations on the brief Genesis reference to Enoch. This alone is sufficient for lovers of God’s inspired Word to dismiss it.

If so this would be grounds for dismissing the ENTIRE BIBLE!

Your problem is that you are all about cutting and pasting from JW cult documents and you have no understanding of your own.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/120027006...

See, you can't even think for yourself or look up things in objective references. What does that say about you?!

BTW, ever hear of PLAGIARISM?

BUSTED AGAIN!!!

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#34050 Apr 23, 2013
Student wrote:
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FYI, I have never believed the trinity doctrine even before I knew anything about the faith of Jehovah's Witnessess. I have studied the Bible for over 55 years, and they are the first Christian faith that can prove their belief from the Scriptures.

ROTFLMFAO!!!

I have been refuting the blind JW lies left and right.

PAY ATTENTION!

You didn't even know your handlers have books on how to keep you sheep in line!

The Trinity has always been known by scholars to be an unbiblical belief. Your cult was not the first to discover it!

How can you study something for 55 years and be such an imbecile and completely lacking in any understanding?

You are another proponent of Kindergarten Christianity.

The study aids are also Bible based.
1 Thessalonians 2:3-4
For the exhortation we give does not arise from error or from uncleanness or with deceit, 4 but, just as we have been proved by God as fit to be entrusted with the good news, so we speak, as pleasing, not men, but God, who makes proof of our hearts.

But, as I have demonstrated and you are POWERLESS to refute, your cult is based on lies, mistaken doctrine and greed. Your cult brings in more money than some small countries. And they use that money (MILLIONS OF IT) to pay for peoples silence.

Would a group truly following the bible publish this stuff?

http://www.watchtowerlies.com/watchtowerlies_...

Once you get through all the pages of that (there are at least 10) we can work on showing you how science REFUTES Watchtower cult theology.
Student

Mexico

#34051 Apr 23, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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If so this would be grounds for dismissing the ENTIRE BIBLE!
Your problem is that you are all about cutting and pasting from JW cult documents and you have no understanding of your own.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/120027006...
See, you can't even think for yourself or look up things in objective references. What does that say about you?!
BTW, ever hear of PLAGIARISM?
BUSTED AGAIN!!!
Copied from "Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 1, p 729"

Not from any internet source, but frim my library.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#34052 Apr 23, 2013
Student wrote:
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Copied from "Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 1, p 729"
Not from any internet source, but frim my library.

I just showed you the link.

And you did not give a citation which you need to do when you are quoting something. Just because it is is your library does not mean you wrote it or own it.

I know JWs are so routinely dishonest that they think nothing about this sort of breach of ethics and dishonesty.

This is a systemic problem at the Cult level.

What is your opinion of the subliminal messages in your cults propaganda? Surely you have a feeling about that,...right?


“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#34053 Apr 23, 2013
Student wrote:
<quoted text>Insight on the Scriptures

More from the mouth of Satan.

They charge $30 a pop for these but can be bought for $3 online.

3 bucks is pretty expensive for low grade toilet paper.


Student

Heroica Nogales, Mexico

#34054 Apr 23, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
More from the mouth of Satan.
They charge $30 a pop for these but can be bought for $3 online.
3 bucks is pretty expensive for low grade toilet paper.
No one has ever been charge for any of their pblications. Show how much you know.

Here is another article about Enoch..........

Watchtower 9-15-2001
Does the Bible Quote From the Book of Enoch?

The Book of Enoch is an apocryphal and pseudepigraphic text. It is falsely ascribed to Enoch. Produced probably sometime during the second and first centuries B.C.E., it is a collection of extravagant and unhistorical Jewish myths, evidently the product of exegetical elaborations on the brief Genesis reference to Enoch. This alone is sufficient for lovers of God’s inspired Word to dismiss it.

In the Bible, only the book of Jude contains Enoch’s prophetic words:“Look! Jehovah came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they did in an ungodly way, and concerning all the shocking things that ungodly sinners spoke against him.”(Jude 14, 15) Many scholars contend that Enoch’s prophecy against his ungodly contemporaries is quoted directly from the Book of Enoch. Is it possible that Jude used an unreliable apocryphal book as his source?

How Jude knew of Enoch’s prophecy is not revealed in the Scriptures. He may simply have quoted a common source, a reliable tradition handed down from remote antiquity. Paul evidently did something similar when he named Jannes and Jambres as the otherwise anonymous magicians of Pharaoh’s court who opposed Moses. If the writer of the Book of Enoch had access to an ancient source of this kind, why should we deny it to Jude?—Exodus 7:11, 22; 2 Timothy 3:8.

How Jude received the information about Enoch’s message to the ungodly is a minor matter. Its reliability is attested to by the fact that Jude wrote under divine inspiration.(2 Timothy 3:16) God’s holy spirit guarded him from stating anything that was not true.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#34056 Apr 24, 2013
Student wrote:
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Here is another article about Enoch..........
Watchtower 9-15-2001

Further proof you cannot think for your self and are afraid to go look at scholarly or source material yourself.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/

"For at least the first seven hundred years following our Savior’s ministry, the Book of Enoch was highly respected. In those early centuries, it was read aloud in congregations and studied by ministers for its historic and prophetic value. Among the early Church Fathers who quoted Enoch were Clement, Barnabas, Irenaeus, and others."
http://believersjourney.blogspot.com/2009/03/...

I don't know if you are more in need of a brain or a scrotum, but the cult has you well controlled.

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