Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple...
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#33791 Apr 9, 2013
Expert in all things wrote:
<quoted text> Just what you are talking about,
Dialogue on the doorstep with a Jehovah Witness, classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =3JFLXtyT3TcXX
Aww---thanks-have never seen that vedio--thanks for sharing
Expert in all things

Cottonwood, CA

#33792 Apr 9, 2013
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
Aww---thanks-have never seen that vedio--thanks for sharing
Just validating your well informed argument.
Be true

Lawrenceville, GA

#33793 Apr 9, 2013
Student how do you explain John 14 can you explain any of these things I have asked

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#33794 Apr 10, 2013
Doctrinal changes galore!
Student

Imuris, Mexico

#33795 Apr 10, 2013
Be true wrote:
Um my Pagan doctrines I told you I know that religion is corrupt I'm not defending. anyone my God and Jesus Christ are my religion I've said I believe alot of what you do I just don't buy in to the 144,000 thing
WHILE Jesus Christ was yet with his followers here on earth, he spoke to them about heavenly life. He told them that he was going to prepare a place for them and that, in time, they would be there with him.(John 14:1-3)

Millions of persons have set their hearts on such heavenly life. To them it has represented a prospect of relief from the troubles of this life. But do you know why God has arranged for some persons to go to heaven? Do you know what they will do there?

During his earthly ministry Jesus said much about the “kingdom of God.” He taught his followers to pray that, by means of the Kingdom, God’s will would be done here on earth. Thus, the earth would become a delightful home for mankind. But the kingdom, or government itself, would be that of God in heaven, and for this reason Jesus often referred to it as the “kingdom of the heavens.”(Matthew 5:20; 6:9, 10)

This helps us to understand what he meant when he said:“Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.”(Luke 12:32)

Yes, God would give this “little flock” a share in the heavenly government over all mankind.

At Revelation 20:6 we read concerning those who would be resurrected to heavenly life:“They will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.” Jesus Christ is the principal king and the high priest, and these faithful ones taken from the earth serve with him.(Revelation 5:9, 10)

Why are they chosen from the earth for such a work?

Because it was here at this earth that Jehovah’s rulership was challenged. It was here that the faithfulness of men to God could be put to the test under opposition from the Devil.

It was here that Jesus proved his full loyalty to God under test and gave his life as a ransom for mankind. So it was from this earth that Jehovah arranged to take a “little flock” of persons to be associated with his Son in the heavenly kingdom.

They are persons who show full faith in God’s provision for salvation through Christ. They are ones whose lives prove the Devil a liar when he charged that men serve God only for selfish advantage. Jehovah has marvelously purposed to use them for his glory (Ephesians 1:9-12)

As kings and priests under the direction of Jesus Christ, they will serve from their heavenly positions in carrying out Jehovah’s will toward mankind. How wonderful it will be to have as rulers those who have proved faithful to God!(Revelation 20:4)

And how loving of God to put in office those who have experienced the problems common to humankind! Surely, they, like Christ, will deal in an understanding way with their subjects.(Hebrews 2:17, 18)

What a blessing it will be to the inhabitants of earth as these heavenly priests apply to them the benefits of Christ’s ransom sacrifice, healing them spiritually, mentally and physically until they reach perfection!(Revelation 21:2-4)

HOW MANY GO TO HEAVEN?

Those who are called by God to share in such heavenly service are few in number. As Jesus said, they are a “little flock.”

Cont...
Student

Imuris, Mexico

#33796 Apr 10, 2013
Years after his return to heaven, Jesus made known the exact number in a vision to the apostle John, who wrote:“I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand ... who have been bought from the earth.”(Revelation 14:1, 3)

The “Lamb” referred to here is, of course, Jesus Christ; and this “Mount Zion” is not on earth, but in heaven where Jesus is.(John 1:29; Hebrews 12:22)

So the 144,000 are persons who die on earth as humans and are resurrected to heavenly life as spirit creatures, as Jesus was.(Romans 6:5)

When compared with the thousands of millions of persons who live on earth, they are, indeed, a “little flock.” However, the “little flock” who go to heaven are not the only ones who receive salvation.

As we have seen, they will have happy earthly subjects. Jesus referred to these as his “other sheep,” of whom “a great crowd” are even now serving God faithfully.(John 10:16; Revelation 7:9, 15)
Student

Imuris, Mexico

#33797 Apr 10, 2013
Be true wrote:
I don't think if you celebrate Christmas and put up a Christmas tree I'm a pagan I don't worship these things I don't pray or bow to them I read the story of Jesus birth to my family I know he wasn't born on dec 25 but I don't know when he was born but I know who I worship and honor and as far as what book or webs age I read that from are you kidding me I wouldn't put my all being on the line without doing some research
Why not do some research about Christmas? At one time, church authorities fought “tooth and nail against [the] relics of heathenism,” says the book Christmas Customs and Traditions—Their History and Significance. But in time, church leaders became more eager to fill pews than teach truth. Hence, they began to “wink at” those pagan practices. Later they embraced them.

‘What you sow you reap,’ the Bible says.(Galatians 6:7) After sowing their fields with the seeds of paganism, the churches should not be surprised that “weeds” proliferate. A celebration allegedly honoring the birth of Jesus becomes an excuse for drunkenness and revelry, the shopping mall becomes more popular than the church, families go deeply into debt buying presents, and children confuse myth with reality and Santa Claus with Jesus Christ. Yes, for good reason, God said:“Quit touching the unclean thing.”(2 Corinthians 6:17)

Jesus’ followers, held no commemoration of Christ’s birthday at all—not on December 25! And this held true until about the middle of the fourth century.

Origen, a third-century historian, wrote that “of all the holy people in the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a ... birthday. It is only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day on which they were born.”(Genesis 40:20-23; Mark 6:21-28)

According to McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia, Jews of Bible times “regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship.”

Could Christ be honored by festivals originally designed for mythical gods and idolatrous worship?

The Bible answers:“Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For ... what agreement does God’s temple have with idols?”(2 Corinthians 6:14-16) Dressing idolatrous festivals with a Christian name does not make them acquire harmony with Christ.
Student

Imuris, Mexico

#33798 Apr 10, 2013
Be true wrote:
you still haven't answered about Raymond Franz or Leo or anything else and the Bible says what it says even in your Bible in John 3:16 its the same in every Bible I've ever read and yes I do and have used the NWT to reference things and cross reference so I'm not biased don't always assume I was just wanting to know honestly how you wright all these things off you put alot into just trusting these men and that they are what they say they are why would I not research it I try to research everything that are big decisions in my life
What about Raymond Franz or whoever Leo is? I study the Scriptures, not man. Remember Judas Iscariot?(John 6:71)
Student

Imuris, Mexico

#33799 Apr 10, 2013
Be true wrote:
Student how do you explain John 14 can you explain any of these things I have asked
John 14:?
Student

Imuris, Mexico

#33800 Apr 10, 2013
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I know quite a bit about your JW religion. You think Jesus Christ was ' Michael the Archangle', just a good Prophet.
You slowly push Jesus Christ OUT.
Jesus was Christ earthy name, his heavenly name is Michael.

Can you prove that it is NOT?

The prefix “arch,” meaning “chief” or “principal,” implies that there is only one archangel, the chief angel; in the Scriptures,“archangel” is never found in the plural. First Thessalonians 4:16, in speaking of the preeminence of the archangel and the authority of his office, does so in reference to the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ:“The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.”

It is, therefore, not without significance that the only name directly associated with the word “archangel” is Michael.(Jude 9)

Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be “the archangel,” meaning “chief angel,” or “principal angel.”
The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host.
Student

Imuris, Mexico

#33801 Apr 10, 2013
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
You slowly push Jesus Christ OUT.
Jesus is the WORD.
'In the beginning was the Word , and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD --WAS God.'
Was THE God --- NOT "a" God, meaning one of many Gods----but THE GOD. Those articles THE and A, changes the meaning severly- and you ADDED that in your NWT Bible. Several places you do this .
Notice the “WORD” WAS WITH GOD? How can you be with God and also be God?

Many Greek scholars and Bible translators acknowledge that John 1:1 highlights, not the identity, but a quality of “the Word.” Says Bible translator William Barclay:“Because [the apostle John] has no definite article in front of theos it becomes a description ... John is not here identifying the Word with God. To put it very simply, he does not say that Jesus was God.”

Scholar Jason David BeDuhn likewise says:“In Greek, if you leave off the article from theos in a sentence like the one in John 1:1c, then your readers will assume you mean ‘a god.’... Its absence makes theos quite different than the definite ho theos, as different as ‘a god’ is from ‘God’ in English.”

BeDuhn adds:“In John 1:1, the Word is not the one-and-only God, but is a god, or divine being.” Or to put it in the words of Joseph Henry Thayer, a scholar who worked on the American Standard Version:“The Logos [or, Word] was divine, not the divine Being himself.”
Expert in all Things

Cottonwood, CA

#33802 Apr 10, 2013
Student wrote:
<quoted text>
Notice the “WORD” WAS WITH GOD? How can you be with God and also be God?
Many Greek scholars and Bible translators acknowledge that John 1:1 highlights, not the identity, but a quality of “the Word.” Says Bible translator William Barclay:“Because [the apostle John] has no definite article in front of theos it becomes a description ... John is not here identifying the Word with God. To put it very simply, he does not say that Jesus was God.”
Scholar Jason David BeDuhn likewise says:“In Greek, if you leave off the article from theos in a sentence like the one in John 1:1c, then your readers will assume you mean ‘a god.’... Its absence makes theos quite different than the definite ho theos, as different as ‘a god’ is from ‘God’ in English.”
BeDuhn adds:“In John 1:1, the Word is not the one-and-only God, but is a god, or divine being.” Or to put it in the words of Joseph Henry Thayer, a scholar who worked on the American Standard Version:“The Logos [or, Word] was divine, not the divine Being himself.”
That is exactly what the Watchtower said in the Jan 1975 issue, however, in March of that same year they removed the definite article, are you aware of that?

Do you know what secular scholar they misquoted to support that view?
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#33803 Apr 10, 2013
Student wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus was Christ earthy name, his heavenly name is Michael.
Can you prove that it is NOT?
The prefix “arch,” meaning “chief” or “principal,” implies that there is only one archangel, the chief angel; in the Scriptures,“archangel” is never found in the plural. First Thessalonians 4:16, in speaking of the preeminence of the archangel and the authority of his office, does so in reference to the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ:“The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.”
It is, therefore, not without significance that the only name directly associated with the word “archangel” is Michael.(Jude 9)
Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be “the archangel,” meaning “chief angel,” or “principal angel.”
The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host.
No this is not true. God is not a God of confusion.

God the Father, God the Son , and God the Holy Spirit and these 3 are ONE.

Three different entities, but as ONE.

Jesus was born of a Virgin. Do you believe this?
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#33804 Apr 10, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
<quoted text>
That is exactly what the Watchtower said in the Jan 1975 issue, however, in March of that same year they removed the definite article, are you aware of that?
Do you know what secular scholar they misquoted to support that view?
This is true.
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#33805 Apr 10, 2013
Student wrote:
<quoted text>
Notice the “WORD” WAS WITH GOD? How can you be with God and also be God?
Many Greek scholars and Bible translators acknowledge that John 1:1 highlights, not the identity, but a quality of “the Word.” Says Bible translator William Barclay:“Because [the apostle John] has no definite article in front of theos it becomes a description ... John is not here identifying the Word with God. To put it very simply, he does not say that Jesus was God.”
Scholar Jason David BeDuhn likewise says:“In Greek, if you leave off the article from theos in a sentence like the one in John 1:1c, then your readers will assume you mean ‘a god.’... Its absence makes theos quite different than the definite ho theos, as different as ‘a god’ is from ‘God’ in English.”
BeDuhn adds:“In John 1:1, the Word is not the one-and-only God, but is a god, or divine being.” Or to put it in the words of Joseph Henry Thayer, a scholar who worked on the American Standard Version:“The Logos [or, Word] was divine, not the divine Being himself.”
If you introduced your earthly father or Dad to someone would you say 'this is "A" Dad of mine" or would you say this is THE Dad.

How much more respect our Heavenly Father has---This is THE Heavenly Father--not "A"---There is not more than one Heavenly Father---just ONE.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#33806 Apr 10, 2013
He didn't say that there are multiple Heavenly Fathers,
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#33808 Apr 10, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
He didn't say that there are multiple Heavenly Fathers,
If you write it as "A" God, then you are implying that there is more than ONE God. It changes the meaning of the scripture.
cherryflower

Park Forest, IL

#33809 Apr 10, 2013
i hav a questions for a jehovah witness i learing adout it and it really helpful 2 know about God but what are the sign of the ladt days?
Be true

Lawrenceville, GA

#33810 Apr 10, 2013
John 14 the whole chapter if God is not working through jesus how do explain how can he forgive sins how can he raise the dead what exactly was Jesus saying in John 14
Be true

Lawrenceville, GA

#33811 Apr 10, 2013
Leo Greenless he was a member of the GB who was removed and sent to Canada congregation because he was molesting boys it was covered up Raymond Franz nephew of Frank Franz Writer researcher GB left out of guilt raised 3rd generation JW over 40 years and left with a broken heart and was unjustly disfellowshipped. for telling the truth and list goes on and on you wright all this off to apostates , lies really

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