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#33647 Mar 20, 2013
God has plans for a new earth to replace this old one.

Isaiah 65:17-18 "For here I am creating new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart. But exult, YOU people, and be joyful forever in what I am creating."

2 Peter 3:10-13 "Yet Jehovah's day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.[BURNED UP] 11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt! 13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell."

Revelation 21:1-2 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

The EVIL AND WICKED CULT OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES dismisses all these scriptures as figurative.

The EVIL AND WICKED CULT OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES uses several lines of reasoning to support the idea that people will live forever on earth.

Forever scriptures
Jewish restoration prophecies
Jesus Statements

None of these concepts prove the earth will continue forever.


God told Adam he will die in the day of eating from the tree of good and bad. The Watchtower says this implies that Adam wouldn't die if he didn't eat the fruit. This is a poor form of reasoning referred to as argument from silence.

"Not all of God's living creation is eternal. We know that plants, even long-lived trees, eventually die.(1 Pet. 1:24) And there is no Biblical evidence that God purposed for individual animals to live forever. Yet it was different with humans. God held out to our first parents the prospect of never dying. By obedience they could have hoped to live eternally.(Gen. 2:17)" Watchtower 1974 Jun 15 p.376

A non statement should not be used to formulate doctrine. A conclusion cannot be drawn from something that God did not say. If Adam had been faithful, God may have had any number of plans for Adam, none of which are touched upon in Genesis. If all other aspects of earthly creation tend to decay and death it makes as much sense to conclude that human's earthly existence is also temporary.

Similar reasoning is used when saying Isaiah 45:18 proves the earth remains forever:

"This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited."

It is an un-stated conclusion that the earth will last forever. All that can be drawn from this is that for a period of time God wanted the earth to be inhabited.



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#33648 Mar 20, 2013
'Forever scriptures'

The main support for the Watchtower doctrine that mankind will live forever on earth are Old Testament scriptures that say the earth will reside to time indefinite or forever. These are not proof the earth will never perish for the following reasons;

Forever can be used figuratively in the Bible
The Bible says the earth will be destroyed
All these references come from the poetic books

The Earth remains forever

The following scriptures that say that the earth will last to time indefinite or forever are all from just two Bible books, Psalms and Ecclesiastes, both devoted to poetry.

Psalm 37:29 "The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it."

Psalm 104:5 "He has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever."

Psalm 78:69 "And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights, Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite."

Psalm 104:5 "He has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever."

Ecclesiastes 1:2-4 "The greatest vanity!" the congregator has said, "the greatest vanity! Everything is vanity!" 3 What profit does a man have in all his hard work at which he works hard under the sun? 4 A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite."

Understanding poetic license, these can not be taken as literal without additional support. Neither do these passages clearly refer to Jesus kingdom rule. The Watchtower shows that it is accepted that these passages refer to the Israelites and the Promised Land.

"Since Psalm 37:29 has been translated "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever," does it refer simply to Israel's permanently occupying the Promised Land?" Watchtower 1986 Jan 1 p.31

The above rendering of Psalm 37:29 is from the King James Version. As is true of many other versions, it renders the Hebrew 'erets as "land." 'Erets can refer to a distinct region or to the territory of a nation, such as "the land of Shinar" or "the land of Egypt."-Genesis 10:10, 11; 21:21; Psalm 78:12; Jeremiah 25:20. So Psalm 37:11, 29 might indicate that the Israelites could have been and should have been permanent occupants of the Promised Land. In accord with God's covenant with Abraham, they could have remained in that territory that God gave them, with generation after generation enjoying his blessings there. However, it did not work out that way, for the Israelites became unfaithful to God."

Forever figurative

Forever and time indefinite can be figurative and come to an end.

2 Samuel 7:24 "You proceeded to establish your people Israel firmly for yourself as your people to time indefinite; and you yourself, O Jehovah, have become their God."

1 Kings 1:31 "Then Bath-sheba bowed low with her face to the earth and prostrated herself to the king and said: "Let my lord King David live to time indefinite!""

Likewise the false prophet is not literally tormented forever.

Revelation 20:10 "And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."



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#33649 Mar 20, 2013
Jewish restoration prophecies

Isaiah and Ezekiel contain texts describing perfect living conditions. One such text regularly referred to is Isaiah 65.

Isaiah 65:17-25 "For here I am creating new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart. 18 But exult, YOU people, and be joyful forever in what I am creating. For here I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joyfulness and her people a cause for exultation. 19 And I will be joyful in Jerusalem and exult in my people; and no more will there be heard in her the sound of weeping or the sound of a plaintive cry." 20 "No more will there come to be a suckling a few days old from that place, neither an old man that does not fulfill his days; for one will die as a mere boy, although a hundred years of age; and as for the sinner, although a hundred years of age he will have evil called down upon him. 21 And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear. 25 "The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull; and as for the serpent, his food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain," Jehovah has said."

These texts are understood to be prophecies of the Jewish deliverance from Babylon, even by the Watchtower Society.

"The initial fulfillment of Isaiah 65:17-19 involved the ancient Jews who, as Isaiah accurately predicted, did return to their homeland, where they reestablished pure worship." Watchtower 2000 April 15 p.10

Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 pp.381-382 "This prophecy was initially fulfilled in 537 B.C.E. when the Jewish remnant was restored to Jerusalem"

Isaiah states that there will continue to be children and like trees these blessed Jews will fulfil their days, grow old and die, certainly not possible in the everlasting paradise the Watchtower promises. Jehovah's promise that he would bless the righteous Israelites with a peaceful life and then death in old age was familiar to the Jews;

Deuteronomy 4:40 ""And you must keep his regulations and his commandments that I am commanding you today, that it may go well with you and your sons after you, and in order that you may lengthen your days on the soil that Jehovah your God is giving you, always.""

Job 36:11 "If they obey and serve, They will finish their days in what is good And their years in pleasantness."

Despite the depiction of death in Isaiah 65 the Watchtower uses this text as proof that this earth is to be an everlasting paradise in which death is no more.

Can restoration prophecies be used to prove a paradise on this planet?

There is no mention of a secondary application
They discuss a new heavens and new earth
They mention that people will die in this new earth

These contradictions make it necessary for the Watchtower to explain how they fit within their belief structure and so restoration prophecies can not be the basis for belief in eternal earthly paradise if not supported elsewhere.

As with a large portion of Bible prophecy, the Watchtower attempts to fit the fulfilment of the new earth around the second leader, Rutherford. Isaiah is said to have been fulfilled with the release of Rutherford from jail in 1919. The post Armageddon fulfilment is only an addition to this centricity around Watchtower Society application.



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#33650 Mar 20, 2013
"Isaiah's prophecy had a miniature fulfillment when Israel was brought back from captivity in Babylon, but the major fulfillment began to take place from 1919 C.E. with the release of spiritual Israel from captivity to Babylon the Great. Restoration to their "land," their spiritual paradise, was then final and complete, for never again would they fall into bondage to any part of Satan's world empire of false religion." Watchtower 1983 Dec 1 p.31

However, this and other restoration prophecies include features that will also find a physical fulfillment in the Paradise earth."

Likewise the Isaiah book shows that Isaiah 11 was fulfilled in Jewish times, with its secondary fulfilment in 1919. The concept that this refers to a future paradise is almost an afterthought.

"Picture an Israelite who has just learned of Cyrus' decree that the Jews return to Jerusalem and rebuild the temple. Will he leave the security of Babylon to make the long trip home? During Israel's 70-year absence, the deserted fields have become overgrown with weeds. Wolves, leopards, lions, and bears now freely prowl those fields. Cobras too make their home there. The returning Jews will have to depend on domestic animals for survival-flocks and herds will provide milk, wool, and meat, and oxen will pull the plow. Will these fall victim to predators? Will small children be bitten by snakes? What about the danger of being ambushed on the journey?
Isaiah now paints a heartwarming picture of the conditions that God will bring about in the land. He says: "The wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; The knowledge of Jehovah will not change animals, but it will affect people. Neither on the way home nor in their restored land will the Israelites need to fear wild beasts or beastlike men.-Ezra 8:21, 22; Isaiah 35:8-10; 65:25.
This prophecy, however, has a larger fulfillment. In 1914, Jesus, the Messiah, was enthroned on heavenly Mount Zion. In 1919 the remaining ones of "the Israel of God" experienced release from Babylonish captivity and shared in the restoration of true worship.(Galatians 6:16) As a result, the way was opened for a modern-day fulfillment of Isaiah's Paradise prophecy.
In that restored Paradise, will Isaiah's prophecy have a further, perhaps more literal, fulfillment? It seems reasonable to think so." Isaiah's Prophecy - Light for all Mankind - I pp.163-164

Revelation 21:1-4 also discusses "a new heavens and a new earth" and is based in part on Isaiah 65. This passage follows on from the final destruction of Satan (Revelation 20:7), placing the establishment of the new earth after the 1,000 year reign of Christ. For this reason some Christians understand that there will be a new earth created once perfection has again been achieved at the end of Christ's reign. Others are content to admit that God's purpose and the final fulfilment is yet to be fully revealed.



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#33651 Mar 20, 2013
Jesus' Earth Quotes

It was only on one occasion that Jesus discusses the earth. He made two statements that are often used by Jehovah's Witnesses as 'proof' that the righteous will live forever on earth. However, these scriptures do not state that the earth will last forever or that people will live on it.

The first statement from Jesus is at Matthew 5:5: "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth."

Most Witnesses are unaware of their own teaching on this scripture, as even the Watchtower does not say that this scripture applies to the Other Sheep. The Watchtower doctrine is that the meek referred to in this passage is Jesus and the earth is his inheritance.

"The anointed members of the Christian congregation are spoken of as having a heavenly inheritance, sharing Jesus' inheritance as his "brothers." (Eph 1:14; Col 1:12; 1Pe 1:4, 5) This includes the earth.-Mt 5:5." Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p.1201

" saying that the 'mild-tempered will inherit the earth.' Yes, those mild-tempered ones who are to be with Christ in his heavenly kingdom will rule over this earth." Watchtower 1974 June 15 pp.377-378

"When Jesus said, as recorded at Matthew 5:5, "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth," of whom was he speaking?-H. S., U.S.A.
Jesus here applied the expression "mild-tempered" or "meek" to his disciples of that time who were in line for the heavenly kingdom. He was the chief meek one among them and their example. Hebrews 1:1, 2 and 2:5, 6 show that Jesus inherits the earth or takes over the possession of it. His disciples were made his joint heirs in the Kingdom and enter into this inheritance or possession of the earth with him. Hence Matthew 5:5 does not strictly apply to the "other sheep."" Watchtower 1959 August 1 p.479

"Will that mark the fulfillment of Jesus' promise: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth"? No, at least not primarily. Those words, first uttered by the psalmist David, apply first of all to the pre-eminently meek One, Jesus Christ, to whom his Father, Jehovah God, said: "Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance and the ends of the earth as your own possession." Inheriting the earth is part of his reward for his meek and faithful course while a man.-Matt. 5:5, AS; Ps. 2:8." Watchtower 1958 Mar 1 p.139

Sharing this inheritance with Jesus Christ will be his "bride," those footstep followers of his, limited to 144,000, who will receive a heavenly reward.(Rev. 14:1, 3) Thus the apostle Paul tells them: "If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ." Jesus refers to these specially favored followers of his as a "little flock." However, the principle enunciated at Matthew 5:5 applies also to Jesus' other sheep who, as meek ones, will receive everlasting life on earth. How so? In that they will hold the earth in trust for Christ and his bride, permanent tenants, as it were."

Following this statement Jesus went on to recite the Lord's Prayer, stating at Matthew 6:10; "Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth."

The Lord's Prayer does not state that the earth is to last forever or be lived on. In fact this scripture contradicts Watchtower doctrine as it indicates God's will was already done in heaven when Jesus made this statement.



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#33652 Mar 20, 2013
Watchtower depictions of paradise contain surreal images of tamed animals, children, and luxury houses separated by many miles of parkland.

These pictures may well lure people to the religion, wishing to belong to such a world, but are not based on any form of reality. Certainly, without death there will be no children, as the earth would soon fill to capacity.

"When the mandate to fill the earth is fulfilled, when childbearing ceases, the marriage partners may continue their association together as life companions, or they may not, depending upon the divine will at that future, distant time." Watchtower 1952 Aug 1 p.478

Furthermore, this world appears to contain no infrastructure, no road, factories or electricity, yet has beautiful houses built from complex materials. If people are going to travel, research, and enjoy many of wonders of modern life, there will need to be modern infrastructure unlike what is portrayed in almost all Watchtower depictions of the New System.

A logistical question is, "If all the dead are to be resurrected onto earth, will they all fit?" Watchtower reasoning claims there will be ample room, based on a figure that only 20 billion people lived prior to 1900.

The figure of 20 billion is highly dubious, with the real figure likely to be several times greater than this. To highlight how little effort has gone into using a correct figure note that the Watchtower has been using the same number for over 100 years now. In 1925, The Way to Paradise p.209 stated:

"It is very doubtful if there have ever been as many as 20,000,000,000 people born on this earth."

In 1988, the Insight book was still using the same estimate of 20 billion people, despite 9 billion people having been born during the 1900's.

"A very liberal estimate of the number of persons that have ever lived on earth is 20 billion (20,000,000,000). The land surface of the earth at present is about 148,000,000 sq km (57,000,000 sq mi), or about 14,800,000,000 ha (36,500,000,000 acres). Even allowing half of that to be set aside for other uses, there would be more than a third of a hectare (almost 1 acre) for each person. As to earth's potential food production, a third of a hectare will actually provide much more than enough food for one person, especially when, as God has demonstrated in the case of the nation of Israel, there is abundance of food as a result of God's blessing." Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2 p.792

The figure used by the Watchtower Society is without basis and the Population Reference Bureau estimates that 105 billion people have been born over the last 2,000 thousand years alone.

The earth has 148,000,000 km of land (although only approximately 31,000,000 km is arable). With 6 billion people the average amount of land per person is 5 acres. With 100 billion people this would be reduced to less than 1/3 of an acre each. This is unsustainable by any ecological model. However the figure is even less, as the entire world can never be arable, as this would entail not only growing crops on the highest rocky mountains, but also clearing all forests. To understand the magnitude of these figures, in 2000 China had 135 people per square kilometer; with 100 billion people resurrected there would be over 715 people per square kilometer.

If 100 billion people were to be resurrected on to earth there would not be a paradise of sparsely populated tracts of land, filled with smiling children living in mansions.


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#33653 Mar 20, 2013
Will the earth exist forever? Of course this is impossible. It is an undisputed scientific fact that the earth will end, agreeing with Isaiah 51:6 that "like a garment the earth itself will wear out". Consider the following indications that the earth was not designed to last forever.

Just as wood turns to energy and disintegrates in a fire, over time the sun will be consumed of all matter. Once the hydrogen at its core has all converted into helium the sun will expand into a red giant and envelop the earth. As the helium runs out the sun will then contract into a white dwarf.

Additionally, the earth's core temperature is cooling. The time will come when this leads to the magnetic fields ceasing and the earth losing its atmosphere. This is what happened to Mars, and will lead to the earth no longer being able to support life. Even the moon was not designed to remain forever orbiting the earth. Currently the moon moves a further 3.82cm away from the earth each year. For the earth to remain forever, Jehovah would be required to rewrite the universal laws he instigated at creation.

The Fundamentalist answer to this is that 'with God all things are possible'. If God says the earth will stay forever, he will make sure it does. God has the power to refuel the sun or reheat the earth's core. For instance the Watchtower says:

"Also, some scientists warn that the earth and all life on it may be threatened by such things as a large meteorite, an exploding star, or the exhaustion of the sun’s hydrogen fuel. Scientists believe that the earth will gradually—perhaps over many billions of years—lose the ability to sustain human life. The Encyclopædia Britannica describes this as “the irreversible tendency toward disorder.” Happily, the Bible assures us that Jehovah God will not allow our earth to be destroyed or rendered uninhabitable. As Creator, he has limitless “dynamic energy,” so he can sustain the universe indefinitely." Watchtower 2008 Apr 1 p.10

Though theoretically possible for God, such a line of argument allows anyone to believe anything. This view also contradicts one of the apparent proofs for a God; the structured order in the universe. If the universe is mathematically perfect, as Jehovah's Witnesses state, God is going against his order of things to change the destiny of the sun. In fact, if with God all things are possible, why did he create things in such a way that the sun is dying? Why not just create the universe in such a way as to last forever?

In line with science, the Bible states at 2 Peter 3:12,13 that the "heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt! But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell." The Bible does not clarify God's plan for this new earth so speculation is pointless.


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#33654 Mar 20, 2013
The Bible does not indicate humans will live forever on this earth. No scripture says mankind will be resurrected onto earth, whereas the Bible regularly discusses a heavenly resurrection. Use of the word paradise generally refers to heaven.

The false doctrine that Jehovah's Witnesses will never die but survive to live forever on paradise earth is core to present Watchtower teaching.

For over a century Watchtower followers have thought they will not die. A number of generations of Witnesses that expected to live forever are now dead. While the majority of people learn to accept death as a certainty, children raised as Jehovah's Witnesses do not prepare themselves for old age emotionally or financially. They wait as Watchtower promises go unfulfilled decade upon decade. Proverbs 13 shows that life should be built on wisdom and warns in verse 12;

"Expectation postponed is making the heart sick"

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#33655 Mar 21, 2013
J F Rutherford wrote:
If the earth will never be destroyed or depopulated, how can it be, then, that God says in Isa 51:6, "... the earth itself will wear out, and its inhabitants themselves will die like a mere gnat...",
and that John says in Rev 21:1 that he saw "... a new heaven and a NEW earth; for the former heaven and the FORMER earth had passed away, and the sea is NO MORE."?
Similarly, if the WTS’s teaching that the earth will never be destroyed or depopulated is correct, then why does the Bible say that “the earth itself…will perish”(Ps 102:25-26, Heb 1:10-11), and why does Jesus himself say that “Heaven and EARTH will pass away…”(Mt 24:35, Mk 13:31, Lk 21:33)?
Conversely, in Eccl 1:4, Solomon says,“A generation is going and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.” But didn’t Solomon write this scripture at a time in his life when he had ceased to serve the Lord and therefore wrote only his own thoughts from a very humanistic point of view?
In Eccl 1:2, he states,“Everything is vanity!” and in vs 8 he says,“All things are wearisome”. Since obviously not “everything” is vanity and not “all things” are wearisome to a true Christian, doesn’t this show that Solomon was speaking for himself and doesn’t this whole passage just show the futility of man without God?
OR, you can believe the lies of Satan's cult, the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Accordingly, greater permanence is ascribed to Jehovah God (Ps. 102:25, 26) and to his glorified Son Jesus Christ (Heb. 1:10, 11) than to the physical creation, which is corruptible and could perish. Other scriptures also support this conclusion.

At Luke 21:33, for example, Jesus said that “heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.” Jesus here contrasted the stability and eternal truthfulness of his words as compared with the perishable nature of the physical heavens and earth. Not that God purposes to destroy them, but that they are destructible.


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#33656 Mar 21, 2013
So, the sense of this expression seems to be like that of Matthew 5:18:“Truly I say to you that sooner would heaven and earth pass away [or,“it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away,” Luke 16:17] than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place.”

Since Jehovah God and his Son possess greater permanence than the physical heavens and earth, this gives us full assurance that Jesus is always alive to plead for afflicted ones and God is always alive to hear and answer such pleas.(Compare Hebrews 7:25.)

This knowledge should encourage us to trust completely in every promise of God, with full assurance that it will be fulfilled, no matter what may appear to stand in the way.


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#33658 Mar 21, 2013
Student wrote:
So, the sense of this expression seems to be like that of Matthew 5:18:“Truly I say to you that sooner would heaven and earth pass away [or,“it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away,” Luke 16:17] than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place.”
Since Jehovah God and his Son possess greater permanence than the physical heavens and earth, this gives us full assurance that Jesus is always alive to plead for afflicted ones and God is always alive to hear and answer such pleas.(Compare Hebrews 7:25.)
This knowledge should encourage us to trust completely in every promise of God, with full assurance that it will be fulfilled, no matter what may appear to stand in the way.
This is how the ignorant justify their false doctrines which are not supported by scripture.

While speaking to his disciples about the end of the age of human rule on earth Jesus said,“Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away”(Lk.21:33; Mk.13:31). Many people believe that when Jesus spoke of heaven and earth passing away, he was only speaking metaphorically about the endurance of his teachings. However, he was not speaking metaphorically. While he was alive he revealed to his disciples that this present heaven and earth will cease to exist and about sixty years after his death and resurrection, he allowed the apostle John to preview this future destruction.

It is a little known fact that the prophets Isaiah and Malachi and the apostles Peter and Paul foretold the cataclysmic event that will bring an end to the existence of our earth and universe. This is what the prophet Isaiah said about this future event:

“My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust. Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished”(Isa.51:5-6 KJV).

Isaiah says that the heavens and the earth will vanish like smoke and all humans will die. Although Isaiah recorded many prophecies concerning the great time of trouble that will exist just before Christ's return, this prophecy is not one of them; this prophecy concerns the end of this entire physical universe.

Why is the Sovereign God going to completely destroy this physical universe along with all life on earth and when will it happen? The answers to these questions can be found in the meaning of the Festival of the Eighth Day, which is the last of the annual festivals that the Sovereign God commands his people to observe.

The Festival of the Eighth Day is a celebration with many meanings that point to one final climactic event that will end this physical existence. This festival pictures a new beginning at a time far in the future, past the millennial reign of Christ and the elect of God, and after the conclusion of God's plan for the salvation of humanity. This study reveals the true meaning of the awesome events that Jesus, the prophets, and the apostles spoke of concerning the reasons and timing for the end of this present physical existence.

The Festival of the Eighth Day is a celebration with many meanings that point to one final climactic event, which will end the physical existence and the order of things as we know them today. This festival also celebrates and pictures a new beginning at a time far in the future, past the millennial reign of Christ and the elect of God, and after the conclusion of God's plan for the salvation of humanity.


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#33659 Mar 21, 2013
In the prophetic order of events for the salvation of humanity, which is pictured through the annual observances and festivals, the celebration of the Festival of Shelters/Ingathering signals the end of the effort to convert humanity to the ways of God and the transformation of those who are worthy into spirit-beings.

With the harvest of humanity into the Kingdom of God finished, there will be only two major prophetic events left to take place:

The resurrection to death for all the incorrigibly wicked humans who have ever lived. See Ezk.18:4,20; Matt.25:31-46; Rom.6:23.2.

The coming of God the Father to claim the kingdom that he has placed under the rule and care of Jesus Christ. See 1.Cor.15:24-28.

While beseeching God to spare the Israelites who had rebelled at Mount Sinai, Moses says,“Yet now, if you will forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray you, out of your book which you have written. And the Lord said to Moses, Whosoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book”(Ex.32:32-33 KJV). See also Psa.69:28; Rev.3:5; 22:19.

The rebellious individuals who will not repent of their evil ways will have their names taken out of the Book of Life and their existence terminated. For these individuals, there will be no eternal pain or torment, just eternal non-existence. See Psa.37:9-22,34; Ezk.18:4; 20:25.

“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderer, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God”(1.Cor.6:9-10 NIV). See also Pro.10:30; Gal.5:21.

It is very clear that everyone who is incorrigibly wicked will cease to exist at some time in the future, because the wages of sin is death (Rom.6:23), not eternal life in hell or some other place.

“The lamp of the wicked is snuffed out; the flame of his fire stops burning. The light in his tent becomes dark; the lamp beside him goes out.... He is torn from the security of his tent and marched off to the king of terrors. Fire resides in his tent; burning sulfur is scattered over his dwelling. His roots dry up below and his branches wither above. The memory of him perishes from the earth; he has no name in the land. He is driven from light into darkness and is banished from the world”(Job 18:5-6, 14-18 NIV). See also Job 15:20-30; Psa.106:16-18.

Jesus warned that a time will come when the wicked and the righteous will be separated and the wicked will be destroyed by fire:

“The kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace,...”(Matt.13:47-50 NIV).

“But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death”(Rev.21:8 NIV).

Those punished by the second death are those who refuse to obey God's law; therefore, they deserve the death penalty.

Nogales, Mexico

#33660 Mar 21, 2013
JR Rutherford, Have you read John 15:17-21? Your faith is not hated, matter of fact people like to lie too.

John 15:17-21
“These things I command YOU, that YOU love one another. 18 If the world hates YOU, YOU know that it has hated me before it hated YOU. 19 If YOU were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because YOU are no part of the world, but I have chosen YOU out of the world, on this account the world hates YOU. 20 Bear in mind the word I said to YOU, A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute YOU also; if they have observed my word, they will observe YOURS also. 21 But they will do all these things against YOU on account of my name, because they do not know him that sent me.

Corinthians 4:3-4
If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

Logically, therefore, Christians cannot be a part of this system over which he rules. Otherwise, we would be sharing with him, would be used by him.(Jas. 4:4) Many things done by people of this system are contrary to Jehovah’s will and ways, and involvement in these practices would mean sharing with the demons in wrongdoing. Think of the many aspects and features of false religion, nationalism, materialism, worship of popular idols, and so forth.

True Christians are “no part of the world.”(John 15:19) They live in this system of things, but do not belong to it. They have come out of its false religious empire.(Rev. 18:4) This system’s religion, politics, ambitions, materialistic aspirations, hopes and the like once were part of our own lives. In the past, some of us fought for this system, tried to reform it, strove to perpetuate it. But now we see the futility of our former sincere efforts. When we were supporting this system of things, which stands in opposition to Jehovah’s will and ways, we were dead in God’s sight. But Jehovah extended mercy to us. He showed us the way out. Yes, he made Christ’s anointed followers alive spiritually. Paul describes this at Ephesians 2:1-6.


Nogales, Mexico

#33661 Mar 21, 2013
Today there are many, many millions of persons who profess to be followers of Jesus Christ.

However, it is one thing to claim to be a Christian and another thing actually to be a Christian. Jesus himself made this point in his Sermon on the Mount:“Not everyone saying to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,... and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.”—Matt. 7:21-23.

Among the many things that differentiate genuine Christians from those who are such in name only is their keeping separate from the world. Jesus made this very emphatic on the night of his betrayal, saying to his followers:“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you.”

He made the same point in prayer to his heavenly Father that evening, stating:“They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.”—John 15:18, 19; 17:16.

“No part of the world.” That means keeping separate from the world. There is no question about that. But to what was Jesus referring by the expression “the world”? Jesus made a distinction between his followers and that “world” when he said in prayer:“I make request concerning them [his disciples]; I make request, not concerning the world, but concerning those you have given me; because they are yours.”(John 17:9)

By the expression “the world,” Jesus there shows that he means the wicked ungodly world, or kosmos, made up of those whom the apostle John describes as “lying in the power of the wicked one.”(1 John 2:15-17; 5:19) Its god and ruler is Satan the Devil.

Nogales, Mexico

#33662 Mar 21, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Does the Holy Bible teach that the Lord Jesus Christ is God Himself,in a body,or does it teach that He is God's 'Son',as in God's first created Being??
Good question..... Does the Bible agree with those who teach that the Father and the Son are not separate and distinct individuals?
Matt. 26:39, RS:“Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed,‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’”

(If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.)

John 8:17, 18, RS:“[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.”

(So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.)

Nogales, Mexico

#33665 Mar 22, 2013
yon wrote:
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Right you are. And the fake name is not Jehovah or the title LORD
Rev 14:12
"Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of Yahweh, and the testimony of Yashua(Yasha)."
It's like some who like to be called Jews simply because they like Jewish things - but they are not convicted in their hearts.
Which form of the divine name is correct—Jehovah or Yahweh?

No human today can be certain how it was originally pronounced in Hebrew. Why not? Biblical Hebrew was originally written with only consonants, no vowels. When the language was in everyday use, readers easily provided the proper vowels. In time, however, the Jews came to have the superstitious idea that it was wrong to say God’s personal name out loud, so they used substitute expressions.

Centuries later, Jewish scholars developed a system of points by which to indicate which vowels to use when reading ancient Hebrew, but they put the vowels for the substitute expressions around the four consonants representing the divine name. Thus the original pronunciation of the divine name was lost.

Many scholars favor the spelling “Yahweh,” but it is uncertain and there is not agreement among them. On the other hand,“Jehovah” is the form of the name that is most readily recognized, because it has been used in English for centuries and preserves, equally with other forms, the four consonants of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton.

Nogales, Mexico

#33667 Mar 22, 2013
yon wrote:
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To begin with there is NO J in the Hebrew Language!
"Some Christians, and especially Jehovah's witnesses, use this name for the Heavenly Father. However, every scholar and every reference book I have ever checked on "Jehovah" (including Jehovah's witness tracts) has said that this is not the way you pronounce His name! First of all it is impossible because of the fact that the Hebrew language has no "J" sound! According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, 1991 under the heading "Yahweh", here is how this name came into being:
"The Masoretes, who from about the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible, replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of the Hebrew word Adonai or Elohim. Thus the artificial name Jehovah (YeHoWaH) came into being."
So we see here one of many confirmations that the name Jehovah is not really His name at all! But it is a artificial name that was invented by man. Does man have the right to change the name of the one who created him? I think not! But that is exactly what has happened here.
Now let's look a little more deeply into this name Jehovah. Notice that many Hebrew names contain the first part of Yahweh's name which is Yah. This is true in the name Isa-YAH (Hebrew: YeshaYAH), which means "Yah is Salvation". Also in Jeremi-Yah (Hebrew: YermeYAH), Obadiah, Zechariah, and so on. Taking this knowledge, apply this to the name Je-hovah with Jeh being the first part of His name. First of all it doesn't add up when it comes to the names of these prophets.(Isaiah's name isn't IsaJEH) Second, the Hovah part of Je-hovah means RUIN and MISCHIEF in Hebrew according to Strong's Concordance #1943:"
#1943 Hovah, another form for 1942; RUIN:-MISCHIEF
Jehovah himself said that he would ‘have his name declared in all the earth’(Ex 9:16; compare 1Ch 16:23, 24; Ps 113:3; Mal 1:11, 14), to be known even by his adversaries.(Isa 64:2)

The name was in fact known and used by pagan nations both in pre-Common Era times and in the early centuries of the Common Era.(The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1976, Vol. XII, p. 119)

What is the proper pronunciation of God’s name?

In the second half of the first millennium C.E., Jewish scholars introduced a system of points to represent the missing vowels in the consonantal Hebrew text. When it came to God’s name, instead of inserting the proper vowel signs for it, they put other vowel signs to remind the reader that he should say Adhonai (meaning “Sovereign Lord”) or Elohim (meaning “God”).


Nogales, Mexico

#33668 Mar 22, 2013
The Codex Leningrad B 19A, of the 11th century C.E., vowel points the Tetragrammaton to read Yehwah, Yehwih, and Yehowah. Ginsburg’s edition of the Masoretic text vowel points the divine name to read Yehowah.(Ge 3:14, ftn)

Hebrew scholars generally favor “Yahweh” as the most likely pronunciation. They point out that the abbreviated form of the name is Yah (Jah in the Latinized form), as at Psalm 89:8 and in the expression Halelu Yah (meaning “Praise Jah, you people!”).(Ps 104:35; 150:1, 6)

Also, the forms Yehoh, Yoh, Yah, and Yahu, found in the Hebrew spelling of the names Jehoshaphat, Joshaphat, Shephatiah, and others, can all be derived from Yahweh. Greek transliterations of the name by early Christian writers point in a somewhat similar direction with spellings such as Iabe and Iaoue, which, as pronounced in Greek, resemble Yahweh. Still, there is by no means unanimity among scholars on the subject, some favoring yet other pronunciations, such as “Yahuwa,”“Yahuah,” or “Yehuah.”

Since certainty of pronunciation is not now attainable, there seems to be no reason for abandoning in English the well-known form “Jehovah” in favor of some other suggested pronunciation.

If such a change were made, then, to be consistent, changes should be made in the spelling and pronunciation of a host of other names found in the Scriptures: Jeremiah would be changed to Yirmeyah, Isaiah would become Yeshayahu, and Jesus would be either Yehohshua (as in Hebrew) or Iesous (as in Greek).

The purpose of words is to transmit thoughts; in English the name Jehovah identifies the true God, transmitting this thought more satisfactorily today than any of the suggested substitutes.


Nogales, Mexico

#33669 Mar 22, 2013
Many modern scholars and Bible translators advocate following the tradition of eliminating the distinctive name of God. They not only claim that its uncertain pronunciation justifies such a course but also hold that the supremacy and uniqueness of the true God make unnecessary his having a particular name. Such a view receives no support from the inspired Scriptures, either those of pre-Christian times or those of the Christian Greek Scriptures.

The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew text printed in Biblia Hebraica and Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia.

In the Hebrew Scriptures the New World Translation contains the divine name 6,973 times, because the translators took into account, among other things, the fact that in some places the scribes had replaced the divine name with Adhonai or Elohim.

The very frequency of the appearance of the name attests to its importance to the Bible’s Author, whose name it is. Its use throughout the Scriptures far outnumbers that of any of the titles, such as “Sovereign Lord” or “God,” applied to him.

The importance given to names themselves in the Hebrew Scriptures and among Semitic peoples. Professor G. T. Manley points out:“A study of the word ‘name’ in the O[ld] T[estament] reveals how much it means in Hebrew. The name is no mere label, but is significant of the real personality of him to whom it belongs.... When a person puts his ‘name’ upon a thing or another person the latter comes under his influence and protection.”—New Bible Dictionary, edited by J. D. Douglas, 1985, p. 430; compare Everyman’s Talmud, by A. Cohen, 1949, p. 24; Ge 27:36; 1Sa 25:25; Ps 20:1; Pr 22:1

United States

#33671 Mar 22, 2013
If Jehovah Witnesses are the REAL disciples of the Lord,why don't they just call themselves 'JESUS'' WITNESSES'?? Who was it that said 'No man comes to the Father....EXCEPT THROUGH 'ME'??

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