Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple...

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#33480 Jan 28, 2013
Student wrote:
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Revelation 14:1-3
1-&#8194;And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.
2- And I heard a sound out of heaven as the sound of many waters and as the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was as of singers who accompany themselves on the harp playing on their harps.
3- And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth.
A LIE!

This is NOT Heaven, it is Mount Zion.

You are merely repeating the lies taught to you by demon possessed men.

HERE'S the answer for those who follow the teachings of men:

Revelation 7:9-10

New International Version (NIV)
The Great Multitude in White Robes

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

A GREAT MULTITUDE THAT NO ONE COULD COUNT...FROM EVERY NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE AND LANGUAGE.

HEY "STUDENT" - THE CULT TEACHES YOU LIES!

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#33481 Jan 28, 2013
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TELL LIES:

Five of the six Watchtower Governing Body members who were on the Translation Committee had no formal training whatsoever in the Biblical languages. The fifth one, Fred Franz,(former Governing Body member and Watchtower president from 1977-1992) claimed to have some education, but in the Douglas Walsh Trial in Scotland, he gave this testimony under oath:

Tuesday, 23rd November, 1954:
Frederick William Franz, Examined:

Q. Have you also made yourself familiar with Hebrew?
A. Yes....
Q. So that you have a substantial linguistic apparatus at your command?
A. Yes, for use in my biblical work.
Q. I think you are able to read and follow the Bible in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Spanish, Portuguese, German, and French?
A. Yes.
Q. It is the case, is it not, that in 1950 there was prepared and issued what is called the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures?
A. Yes....
Q. I think that it was your duty, was it not, before the issue of that New World Translation by your Society to check that translation for accuracy?
A. That is true.
Q. In light of your studies and in light of your knowledge?
A. That is true.
Q. And did you do so?
A. I did so....
Q. And was it your duty on behalf of the Society to check the translation into English from the original Hebrew of that first volume of the Old Testament Scriptures?
A. Yes....
Q. In so far as translation of the Bible itself is undertaken, are you responsible for that?
A. I have been authorised to examine a translation and determine its accuracy and recommend its acceptance in the form in which it is submitted.
Q. Are the translators members of the Editorial Committee?
A. That is a question which I, as a member of the Board of Directors, am not authorised to disclose....
Q. When did you go to the University?....
Q. Did you graduate?
A. No, I did not....
Q. Had you done any Hebrew in the course of your University work?
A. No, I had not, but in the course of my editorial work, my special research work for the president of the Society, I found it was very necessary to have knowledge of Hebrew, and so I undertook a personal study of that.

ADJOURNED

Wednesday, 24th November, 1954:
Frederick William Franz, Cross Continued:

Q. You, yourself, read and speak Hebrew, do you?
A. I do not speak Hebrew.
Q. You do not?
A. No.
Q. Can you, yourself, translate that into Hebrew?
A. Which?
Q. That fourth verse of the Second Chapter of Genesis? A. You mean here?
Q. Yes?
A. No, I won’t attempt to do that.
— Douglas Walsh Trial, Pursuer’s Proof, 1954, pp. 7-9, 88, 91-92, 102-103

This exercise which Franz was unable to do is something which the average first year Hebrew student could have accomplished without any difficulty.

Is it any wonder the cult refuses to publicly reveal the people who were involved in the translation of their Bible?

Would you put your trust in a doctor who refused to give his credentials?

Yet, this is what many Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing when it comes to vital Bible truth.

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#33482 Jan 28, 2013
STUDENT:

Do you believe that in the last 25yrs that the only ones being called to Heaven to rule with Christ were called ONLY FROM THE JW DENOMINATION?

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#33483 Jan 28, 2013
A former Jehovah's Witness tells his frightening story

http://www.cjad.com/blog/BarryMorganShow/blog...

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#33484 Jan 28, 2013
JWs are people like you and me.The only thing that makes someone a ture JW is a matter of applying Bible principles to everyday life.JWs are there also to gain salvation and ressurection.Even a JW can make mistakes but one thing only Jehovah God can judge that .So dont say things about JW when you dont no nothing about.Hope one day you see that JWs are to do good not harm then again we are human beings and we are prone to do bad due to Satan is the main ruler of this world for now and hes turely angry due to the system of things coming to an end and he will be perish along with it SO AT THE MEAN TIME HE WILL TURN BROTHER AGAINST ANOTHER BROTHER,KILLINGS AND DEATH AS A RESULT,untill then Judgement day will come and the ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH GOD will judge us all.@@@@@@@@@
Archie wrote:
Jehovah Witnesses are truly a cult and nothing more than mindless zombies. They have done nothing useful. Their big problem is they CAN'T think outside the box and see things from any other perspective but the one they've been brainwashed in. This makes more sense : Jesus was human not ulike any one of us - he performed no miracles - any more than any one of us have created miracles. The Only miracle this planet has ever witnessed is LIFE AS WE KNOW IT. There's no requirement to defend God or quote bible scripture. God - being God - would not require our defence nor would he have need to be jealous, be hateful, advocate revenge or kill people for not believing in him. In fact he'd want us to have our own minds about everything and would accept each an every one of us no matter what we believed. EACH ONE of us are children of God - not just JESUS! Yes the bible - written by men (every word) translated over 32 times over many centuries some from languages long dead - and you'd call such a book liable to be 'accurate'? Twits indeed! There's not one word in the bible or anywhere else that Jesus was to be worshipped.

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#33485 Jan 28, 2013
aircrew wrote:
JWs are people like you and me.The only thing that makes someone a ture JW is a matter of applying Bible principles to everyday life.JWs are there also to gain salvation and ressurection.Even a JW can make mistakes but one thing only Jehovah God can judge that .So dont say things about JW when you dont no nothing about.Hope one day you see that JWs are to do good not harm then again we are human beings and we are prone to do bad due to Satan is the main ruler of this world for now and hes turely angry due to the system of things coming to an end and he will be perish along with it SO AT THE MEAN TIME HE WILL TURN BROTHER AGAINST ANOTHER BROTHER,KILLINGS AND DEATH AS A RESULT,untill then Judgement day will come and the ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH GOD will judge us all.@@@@@@@@@<quoted text>
It's a false, evil and wicked religion built by SATAN.

JWs are a non-Christian, satanic cult which produces false prophecies, false doctrines, false scriptures, molested children and they use a fake, fabricated name for God Almighty.
I am Apostolic

Hindman, KY

#33486 Jan 28, 2013
my dad is a preacher and we do go to church and we believe in Acts chapter 2 verse 38 I am thinking of next time those people come to my house and drive their car past my no trespass sigh I am thinking of get their plate number off of their auto and then take them to court ps I live in Kelly Fork of Lotts Creek
Student

San José Del Cabo, Mexico

#33487 Jan 28, 2013
FARKEL wrote:
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A LIE!
This is NOT Heaven, it is Mount Zion.
You are merely repeating the lies taught to you by demon possessed men.
HERE'S the answer for those who follow the teachings of men:
Revelation 7:9-10
New International Version (NIV)
The Great Multitude in White Robes
9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
A GREAT MULTITUDE THAT NO ONE COULD COUNT...FROM EVERY NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE AND LANGUAGE.
HEY "STUDENT" - THE CULT TEACHES YOU LIES!
Jesus does not rule alone. He has others with him who are to rule as kings and serve as priests.(Revelation 5:9, 10; 20:6)

Concerning them, the apostle John wrote:“I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand . . . who have been bought from the earth.”—Revelation 14:1-3.

The Lamb is Jesus Christ in his Kingdom position.(John 1:29; Revelation 22:3)

This Mount Zion refers to heaven.(Hebrews 12:22-But YOU have approached a Mount Zion and a city of [the] living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels,)

Jesus and his 144,000 associates are ruling from heaven. Being in heaven, they have a broader perspective. Since heaven is its seat,“the kingdom of God” is also called “the kingdom of the heavens.”(Luke 8:10; Matthew 13:11)

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#33488 Jan 29, 2013
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Jesus does not rule alone. He has others with him who are to rule as kings and serve as priests.
NO ONE SAID THAT JESUS RULES ALONE!

THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDE IS WRONG.

NOT EVEN CLOSE!

THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE WHICH STATES THAT HEAVEN WILL BE LIMITED TO 144,000.

THE "144,000" DOCTRINE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TEACH IS A LIE AND IS NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY SCRIPTURE.

FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT, NOT ONE SINGLE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS WILL RULE WITH JESUS CHRIST!

IT IS SCRIPTURALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A JW TO RECEIVE SALVATION.

HERE IS THE TRUTH:

Revelation 7:9-10

New International Version (NIV)
The Great Multitude in White Robes

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

A GREAT MULTITUDE THAT NO ONE COULD COUNT...FROM EVERY NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE AND LANGUAGE.

HEY "STUDENT" - THE CULT TEACHES YOU LIES!

TOO BAD FOR YOU IF YOU ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THEM.

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

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#33489 Jan 29, 2013
We all know that Jehovah's Witnesses teach lie!

Not only do they teach lies, innocent people attracted to them are required to believe these lies.

The problem is that if you get sucked into this organization, you are subject to the false teachings which, for all practical purposes, are just made up by men.

Jehovah's Witnesses are required to believe these false teachings without question.

Those false teachings include:

God's Name is Jehovah - a lie!

Paradise Earth - a lie!

1914 = a lie!

1925 - Millions Now Living Will Never Die - a lie!

Beth Sarim - a lie!

Baptism Questions - a lie!

I could go on.

But it only takes one lie to make a religion a false religion.

What we have here is a false religion called the "Jehovah's Witnesses".

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

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#33490 Jan 29, 2013
Hey Farkel, here's the scoop on their lies:

It is explained that in 1914 Jesus took rule and first cleansed the heavens.

"Obeying his Fathers order, Jesus cleansed the heavens of Satan and his demons, hurling them down to the earth. After seeing this occur in vision, John hears a heavenly voice proclaim: Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ! Yes, in 1914 Christ began ruling as King!" Watchtower 1991 May 15 p.9

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

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#33491 Jan 29, 2013
Three and a half years later, in 1918 he cleansed his spiritual temple on earth.

"In 1918, three and a half years after his enthronement, he cleansed Jehovahs spiritual temple, as represented on earth by the congregation of anointed Christians." Isaiahs Prophecy Light for all Mankind II p.348

"... finally cleansed by a fiery test by 1918, the matured slave as represented by a remnant now stood ready for new assignments of service." Watchtower 1960 Jul 15 p.436

Yes, they really teach these lies.

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

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#33492 Jan 29, 2013
In 1919 Jesus re-inspected the organisation and found it clean.

"Anointed Christians who survived the testing period of 1914-19 were freed from the dominating influence of the world and from many Babylonish religious practices. The remnant went forward as a cleansed and refined people, willingly offering sacrifices of praise to God and having the assurance that they as a people were acceptable to him." Watchtower 1998 May 15 p.17

"In 1919 the cleansed slave class could look forward to ever-expanding activities." Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.16

Jesus is said to have chosen the Watchtower Society as his only means of salvation because it was the only organisation providing food at the proper time, and so justly appointed over all Jesus belongings.

"The serving of food, the right sort of food, at the proper time was the issue. It had to be according to this that a decision must be rendered by the returned master... On inspecting the remnant of his anointed disciples in the year 1919 C.E., the reigning King Jesus Christ did find the appointed slave faithful and discreet in the feeding of his domestics. Accordingly, he appointed this slave class over all his belongings." Gods Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached pp.350,355

Is this really what Jesus found in 1919 when he inspected the Watchtower Society? No, he found the following teachings being promoted:

The "Last Days" started in 1799 and the 1800s were the worst time period of all history

That Jesus presence commenced in 1874

That Jesus had begun ruling in 1878

Armageddon had occurred in 1914

That the end was going to come in 1925

That blood was acceptable as food for Christians

That Jesus should be prayed to and worshipped, as well as Jehovah

That the Great Crowd were a heavenly class

That birthdays and Christmas were acceptable celebrations

The cross was on the cover of the Watchtower

Teachings adapted from Freemasons, such as that pyramids and astrology supported 1914

Strong Zionist support for a new nation of Israel in fulfillment of Bible prophecy

That the Faithful and Discreet Slave was not the anointed, but rather Pastor Russell

Furthermore, the most noteworthy doctrine introduced in 1918 - that the earthly resurrection would start in 1925 - was a false and embarrassing failure.

By current Watchtower truth the food the Watchtower Society was providing in 1919 was filled with inaccurate prophecy, spiritism, paganism, polytheism, idolatry and political activism.

Certainly anyone belonging to such a religion could not be considered one of the anointed.

It brings into question if Russell, who had died in 1916, could be in heaven.

Did Jesus go about immediately cleansing his organisation in 1919? No!

The reality is that virtually no teachings or Babylonish practices were changed between 1914 and 1919.

All of the above teachings were still being promoted in 1925.

In fact, the understanding of 1914 was not changed until 1943 and the (so called) idolatry of Jesus continued until after 1950!

Can you imagine Jesus pronouncing the slave clean and then allowing them to worship the wrong God for the next 30 years?

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

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#33493 Jan 29, 2013
Few people, aware of the above information prior to baptism, convert to being Jehovah's Witnesses.

Once a person is ready to accept that the Watchtower Society has made significant mistakes, was not dispensing the proper food in 1919 and is not an organisation directed by God and his holy spirit, the question arises, How was I ever so sure it was the truth?

Over time, it becomes difficult to comprehend how you could ever have been convinced that the Watchtower teaches truth.

A small amount of research will uncover that:

There are other religions with almost identical doctrine to the Watchtower

There are some that have a far sounder doctrinal foundation

There are religious groups that display a stronger anti-war stance

Other groups are more effective in their preaching work

Many religions display charity to an extent unheard of amongst Witnesses

Why does a Witness believe no one else worships Jehovah?

This is due to the effects of constant indoctrination, as described in the article on Fear and Mind Control.

You will also wonder, "are the doctrines correct, or at least isn't this religion the closest to truth?"

Once you realize the leaders are not directed by God, make mistakes and can be questioned, studying the Bible takes on new light.

You will find many doctrines you believed without question take on different meaning.

Much of the doctrine unique to Jehovah's Witnesses center around an application to the Watchtower organisation, so when this is seen to have no basis so does the interpretation.

This includes a large portion of prophetic understanding and doctrine, such as the Great Crowd. Studying objectively, you will quickly see many doctrines are incorrect and understand that;

By dishonestly adding the word Jehovah to the New Testament the Society gives false importance to this word.

Watchtower blood doctrine is unchristian and members needlessly lost their lives for a standard that recently changed when the Society started to allow almost the entire volume of blood to be transfused in fractionated form

1914 has no basis as the start of the Last Days

Disfellowshipping is misapplied and used as a form of manipulation

More damaging spiritually is to notice the number of times that the organisation is implicated in place of Jesus, including that Jesus is not Mediator for the other sheep of Jehovah's Witnesses but just for the leaders.

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

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#33494 Jan 29, 2013
Here is an excellent insight on the operation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Hear their own words.

Down near the bottom, under the title of "Specialty Tapes" you can hear a judicial committee meeting.

As you will hear, the false teachings are presented as facts.

http://www.jwinfoline.com/Page/audio.htm

Listen to everything on the page and learn the real truth!

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

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#33495 Jan 29, 2013
Whether or not JW's are willing to admit it, their door-to-door ministry is specifically designed to vet prime candidates for successful indoctrination.

The method works as follows:

(1) Isolate the individual.

Going door-to-door you are most likely to find people alone, or alone with children. In this way you do not have to worry that more than one person will be weighing and evaluating what you say. This also enables the application of emotional sway much more easily, someone need not be nearly as charismatic to sway one as to sway TWO or more minds to adopt a given perspective.

(2) Read a Scripture from a select set that have proven effective at weeding out knowledgeable householders.

For example: The Lord's prayer at Matthew 6:9-10.“When you look around the world and see all the bad that happens in it, do you really think God's will is being done on earth?” Asked this unexpected question, point blank, without having time for preparation and ideally with little or no Bible knowledge, most householders will, sadly, agree. Prime candidates will agree and add their OWN comments in favor of that view, seeking approval from this person who came to their door who is obviously so knowledgeable about the Bible.

Yet, it is a deception that the knowledgeable will easily spot. God's will IS being done on earth. God's will has ALWAYS been done on earth. Along with the will of others, God's will has been done by whomever has been willing to do it. Jesus, for instance, did the will of God on earth. He said so himself. If the knowledgeable one shows himself or herself to be such at this point perhaps there will be an offer of literature (in case someone ELSE in the household is not so knowledgeable), a brief explanation of the donation arrangement, and polite goodbyes will be made.

(3) Plant the kernel of "new" understanding about the Bible, the glimmer of hidden truth revealed.

“Did you know the Bible speaks of a time when God's will is going to be fully realized by making the entire earth a paradise, in which righteousness is to dwell? Notice what Revelation 21:3,4 says ...(or Psalm 37:10-11, 29, or Isaiah 65:17-25)... Doesn't that sound wonderful?” The ideal candidate will get wide-eyed and goose-pimply at the idea, a Bible study will start, and so long as they are willing to subject their entire prior life to the will of a Corporate authority in New York, USA, they will eventually become one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

The knowledgeable will not, they will spot the absence of the word 'paradise' anywhere in these texts and will ask about 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 and Revelation 2:7 ... whereupon they will be marked as argumentative, or as goats, or as too smug and full of themselves. They will be told,“I'll have to do some more research on that and get back to you ...” or “That's a very interesting question, but, unfortunately the rest of my car group is waiting for me, so ...”

The JW will not go back again.

It is a system DESIGNED to find the Scriptural illiterates and aliterates of society.

Which is why they cannot grow at all by any other means, and why their growth as a religion stagnates in locales where the populace is educated enough to spot the deceptions in their religious dogma.

YES, people who are ignorant of the real truth are most likely to be attracted to this false religion know as the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Student

San José Del Cabo, Mexico

#33496 Jan 29, 2013
FARKEL

Revelation 14:3 no one was able to master that song “BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR THOUSAND “””WHO HAVE BEEN BOUGHT FROM THE EARTH.””” DO YOU SEE THAT THESE 144,000 ARE THE ONLY ONE THE SCRIPTURES TELL US THAT ARE FROM THE EARTH?

These 144,000 who go to heaven are not the only ones who receive salvation. As we have seen, they will have happy earthly subjects. Jesus referred to these as his “other sheep,” of whom “a great crowd” are even now serving God faithfully.—John 10:16;

9-After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10- And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying:“Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.” Revelation 7:9, 10,

Identifying the “Great Crowd”
For centuries the identity of this “great crowd” was not understood. But the progressive understanding of related prophecies prepared the way.

In 1923 it was discerned that the “sheep” of Jesus’ parable at Matthew 25:31-46 and the “other sheep” to which he referred at John 10:16 were persons now living who would have opportunity to dwell forever here on earth.

In 1931 the ones described in Ezekiel 9:1-11 as being marked in their foreheads by the man with the secretary’s inkhorn were identified with the “sheep” of Matthew chapter 25.

Then, in 1935, the “great multitude,” or “great crowd,” of Revelation 7:9-17 was seen to be the same as the “sheep” of Jesus’ parable of the sheep and goats. Although back in 1923 it was realized that some such sheeplike individuals had already begun to manifest themselves, it was not until 1935 that their numbers began to grow rapidly.

Today there are literally millions who are seeking to be identified as part of that divinely favored “great crowd” of the “other sheep.”

Those of the “great crowd” are distinguished from the 144,000 members of spiritual Israel, referred to earlier in the same chapter of Revelation.

In his vision John did not see this “great crowd” as being in heaven. Their “standing before the throne”(Greek: e•no&#8242;pi•on tou thro&#8242;nou,“in sight of the throne”) of God does not require that they be in heaven.

Their position is simply “in sight” of God, who tells us that from heaven he beholds the sons of men.(Rev. 7:9; Ps. 11:4; compare Psalm 100:1, 2, also Luke 1:74, 75 and Acts 10:33, Kingdom Interlinear.)

Likewise, it is not necessary for “all the nations” to be in heaven for them to be before the throne of Christ (literally,“in front of him”), as described at Matthew 25:31, 32. The fact that the “great crowd, which no man was able to number,” is not a heavenly class is shown by comparison with Revelation 7:4-8 and 14:1-4, where the specific number of those taken from the earth to be in heaven is revealed.

In identifying the “great crowd,” John writes:“These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation.”

What they survive will be, indeed, the greatest tribulation ever experienced on earth.(Rev. 7:13, 14; Matt. 24:21)

Survivors of that fear-inspiring day of Jehovah will have no doubt as to who is responsible for their deliverance.

When they thankfully attribute their salvation to God and to the Lamb, then, as John saw in vision, all the faithful creatures in heaven will unite their voices with them in worship of the only true God, saying:“Amen! The blessing and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”—Rev. 7:11, 12.

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#33497 Jan 29, 2013
Student wrote:
FARKEL
Revelation 14:3 no one was able to master that song “BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR THOUSAND “””WHO HAVE BEEN BOUGHT FROM THE EARTH.””” DO YOU SEE THAT THESE 144,000 ARE THE ONLY ONE THE SCRIPTURES TELL US THAT ARE FROM THE EARTH?
These 144,000 who go to heaven are not the only ones who receive salvation. As we have seen, they will have happy earthly subjects. Jesus referred to these as his “other sheep,” of whom “a great crowd” are even now serving God faithfully.—John 10:16;
9-After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10- And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying:“Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.” Revelation 7:9, 10,
Identifying the “Great Crowd”
For centuries the identity of this “great crowd” was not understood. But the progressive understanding of related prophecies prepared the way.
In 1923 it was discerned that the “sheep” of Jesus’ parable at Matthew 25:31-46 and the “other sheep” to which he referred at John 10:16 were persons now living who would have opportunity to dwell forever here on earth.
In 1931 the ones described in Ezekiel 9:1-11 as being marked in their foreheads by the man with the secretary’s inkhorn were identified with the “sheep” of Matthew chapter 25.
Then, in 1935, the “great multitude,” or “great crowd,” of Revelation 7:9-17 was seen to be the same as the “sheep” of Jesus’ parable of the sheep and goats. Although back in 1923 it was realized that some such sheeplike individuals had already begun to manifest themselves, it was not until 1935 that their numbers began to grow rapidly.
Today there are literally millions who are seeking to be identified as part of that divinely favored “great crowd” of the “other sheep.”
Those of the “great crowd” are distinguished from the 144,000 members of spiritual Israel, referred to earlier in the same chapter of Revelation.
In his vision John did not see this “great crowd” as being in heaven. Their “standing before the throne”(Greek: e•no&#8242;pi•on tou thro&#8242;nou,“in sight of the throne”) of God does not require that they be in heaven.
Their position is simply “in sight” of God, who tells us that from heaven he beholds the sons of men.(Rev. 7:9; Ps. 11:4; compare Psalm 100:1, 2, also Luke 1:74, 75 and Acts 10:33, Kingdom Interlinear.)
Likewise, it is not necessary for “all the nations” to be in heaven for them to be before the throne of Christ (literally,“in front of him”), as described at Matthew 25:31, 32. The fact that the “great crowd, which no man was able to number,” is not a heavenly class is shown by comparison with Revelation 7:4-8 and 14:1-4, where the specific number of those taken from the earth to be in heaven is revealed.
In identifying the “great crowd,” John writes:“These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation.”
What they survive will be, indeed, the greatest tribulation ever experienced on earth.(Rev. 7:13, 14; Matt. 24:21)
Survivors of that fear-inspiring day of Jehovah will have no doubt as to who is responsible for their deliverance.
When they thankfully attribute their salvation to God and to the Lamb, then, as John saw in vision, all the faithful creatures in heaven will unite their voices with them in worship of the only true God, saying:“Amen! The blessing and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”—Rev. 7:11, 12.
Spare me your false interpretations.

Just show me a scripture which states that only 144,000 will be in Heaven.

Which is scripturally impossible.

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

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#33498 Jan 29, 2013
FARKEL wrote:
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Spare me your false interpretations.
Just show me a scripture which states that only 144,000 will be in Heaven.
Which is scripturally impossible.
The teaching regarding the 144,000 in heaven is false.

But people in the Jehovah's Witnesses are required to believe this false teaching without question.

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

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#33499 Jan 29, 2013
Student wrote:
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In 1923 it was discerned that the “sheep” of Jesus’ parable at Matthew 25:31-46 and the “other sheep” to which he referred at John 10:16 were persons now living who would have opportunity to dwell forever here on earth.

In 1931 the ones described in Ezekiel 9:1-11 as being marked in their foreheads by the man with the secretary’s inkhorn were identified with the “sheep” of Matthew chapter 25.

Then, in 1935, the “great multitude,” or “great crowd,” of Revelation 7:9-17 was seen to be the same as the “sheep” of Jesus’ parable of the sheep and goats. Although back in 1923 it was realized that some such sheeplike individuals had already begun to manifest themselves, it was not until 1935 that their numbers began to grow rapidly.
Why not just show us where you find 1923, 1931, and 1935 in scripture too?

All of this is false doctrine based on false teachings from a wicked cult that preys on ignorant and gullible people.

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