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#33439 Jan 26, 2013
“And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth.”— Revelation 14:3

At Revelation 7:9-15, we read of a “great crowd” which no man is able to number and that has members from every nation of humankind. When the 24 elders at verse 13 ask where this group of people came “from,” the answer given in verses 14-15 states that these people came “out of the great tribulation,” are standing “before the throne of God,” and are serving Him “day and night in his temple.” According to Revelation 11:19, is the location of this “temple” of God in Heaven or on Earth?

“And the temple [sanctuary] of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple [sanctuary].”— Revelation 11:19

Jehovah’s Witnesses may try to argue that the “temple” in Revelation 7:15 speaks of a temple that includes the outer court that they claim is upon the earth. In this way, they may argue that that the “great crowd” is only serving in the outer courtyard (earthly) section of the temple.

To answer this argument, point out that the Greek word hi-e-ron’ for temple that includes the outer courtyard of the temple is NOT the word used here in this passage. Rather, the Greek word na-os’ used in Revelation 11:19 for the inner “sanctuary” part of the temple is the SAME Greek word used for the temple here in Revelation 7:15.

Thus, the “great crowd” is serving in the inner “sanctuary” portion of God’s temple in heaven, not some outer courtyard.

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#33440 Jan 26, 2013
At Revelation 7:16 we read that the great crowd “…will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat.” Since hunger, thirst and the heat of the sun describe conditions upon the earth, how can the “great crowd” exist upon the earth without these conditions?

Doesn’t this description of the location of the “great crowd” indicate that they are in heaven instead of earth?

Does Revelation 19:1 say the “great crowd” is “in heaven” or upon the earth?

“After these things I heard what was as a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said:“Praise Jah, YOU people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God.”— Revelation 19:1

Jehovah’s Witnesses may try to argue that the “great crowd” mentioned in Revelation 19 is not the same “great crowd” of Revelation 7. Rather, they may claim that this “great crowd” in Revelation 19 is a group of angles instead of humans. If they say this, simply reply by asking the following question:

If this “great crowd” of Revelation 19:1 are angels, why are they singing of the “salvation” of our God? Angles never sinned so they don’t need to be saved, do they? Again, can you show me a single verse in the Bible that says that the 144,000 are the ONLY people in heaven?

By this point, most Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have anything to say and they often give up the discussion because they have been unable to prove their belief about the 144,000 from the Bible.

It is here that you can shift the discussion into how the Watchtower claim that the 144,000 are the only people in the New Covenant seriously affects their salvation.

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#33441 Jan 26, 2013
Do you consider yourself to be a member of the New Covenant arrangement? Why or Why Not?

“…only the 144,000… have properly partaken of the emblems during the Memorial of Jesus’ death, and only with them did Jesus make his covenant… Members of the great crowd are not participants in the new covenant.”—The Watchtower, February 1, 1998, p. 19

“WHAT JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE… Only a little flock of 144,000 go to heaven and rule with Christ… The 144,000 are born again as spiritual sons of God… New covenant is made with spiritual Israel…”—JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES Who Are they? What Do They Believe?, 2000, p. 13

“On the night before his death… when he established the celebration of the Lord’s Evening Meal, Jesus Christ announced the new covenant, to be validated by his sacrifice.…The parties of the new covenant are Jehovah, on one side, and ‘the Israel of God,’ the spirit-begotten ones in union with Christ, making up his congregation of body, on the other side.…When one is selected by God for the heavenly calling (Heb 3:1), God brings that one into His covenant over Christ’s sacrifice.…Jesus Christ is the Mediator of the new covenant…”—Insight on the Scriptures, vol. 1, 1988, p. 524

“Jesus Christ is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.”—Worldwide Security Under the “Prince of Peace,” 1986, p. 10

As is clear by the above quotes from official Watchtower publications, any Jehovah’s Witness who does not consider himself to be a member of the 144,000 has been taught to exempt himself from being a part of the New Covenant.

Thus, the majority of Jehovah’s Witnesses you meet will answer your question with a “No” because they do not believe that they belong to this group of 144,000.

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#33442 Jan 26, 2013
Where in the Bible does it say that the 144,000 are the ONLY people in the New Covenant?

As in the last section of questions where you challenge Jehovah’s Witnesses to prove from the Bible that only 144,000 people are in heaven, they will be unable to point to a single verse in the Bible that says that the New Covenant is limited to ONLY 144,000 people. They will show you verses that demonstrate that the New Covenant is made with spiritual Israel (Jeremiah 31:13; Hebrews 8:8, 10), and they may try to connect the number of the 144,000 to the New Covenant by referencing Revelation 7:1-8 and Revelation 14:1-5. Yet, none of these verses claim that the New Covenant is limited to 144,000 people. In fact, the sealing of the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7:3-4 occurs in the middle of the Great Tribulation and is done to protect the 144,000 from the plagues that will come upon the earth (see Revelation 7:1-3). Since the Tribulation has yet to occur, this sealing hasn’t even taken place yet! It certainly cannot refer to a sealing for the New Covenant because that has been in operation since Christ’s death and resurrection, and there is no reference to the New Covenant in either Revelation 7 or 14.

So, again the Jehovah’s Witnesses you meet will be unable to find a single verse in the Bible that supports their view that ONLY 144,000 people are appointed to the New Covenant.

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#33443 Jan 26, 2013
According to 1 John 5:1, how many people are “born of God”?

“Everyone believing that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God, and everyone who loves the one that caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one.”

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#33444 Jan 26, 2013
Since the born again experience is a prerequisite to being in the New Covenant, and since “everyone” is able to be “born of God” as spiritual sons, doesn’t this indicate that the New Covenant is open to ALL believers in Jesus Christ, not just to a select group of 144,000? What did Jesus say one must have in order to “see” God’s Kingdom?

“In answer Jesus said to him:‘Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.…What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit. Do not marvel because I told you, YOU people must be born again.’”—John 3:3, 6-7

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#33445 Jan 26, 2013
According to Romans 8:14, can a person be “led” by God’s spirit without being adopted as God’s child?

“For all who are led by God’s spirit, these are God’s sons. For YOU did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but YOU received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out:“Abba, Father!” The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children.”— Romans 8:14-16

Since spiritual adoption into God’s family is a prerequisite for being led by God’s spirit, can a person who “does not have Christ’s spirit” belong to Him? How can you “please God,” if God’s spirit is not truly dwelling in you (Romans 8:8-9)?

“So those who are in harmony with the flesh cannot please God. However, YOU are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in YOU. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this one does not belong to him.”—Romans 8:8-9

Is there anything in these verses that limits these New Covenant privileges of being “born again” and spirit “adopted” to only 144,000 people? What did Jesus say one must partake of in order to have everlasting life?

“Accordingly Jesus said to them:‘Most truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day.’”—John 6:53-54

Since 1 Timothy 2:5 and John 14:6 state that Jesus is the Mediator between God and men and is the only One we are to go “through” to get to Jehovah God, how can you receive salvation and the forgiveness of sins if you accept the Watchtower teaching that Jesus is NOT your Mediator?

“Jesus Christ is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.”—Worldwide Security Under the “Prince of Peace,” 1986, p. 10

“Think of a legal case in which an attorney is involved… Of course, you are not in that legal case, so in that sense he is not serving as your attorney… The people of all nations… benefit even now from Jesus’ services. Though he is not their legal Mediator, for they are not in the new covenant, he is their means of approaching Jehovah.”—The Watchtower, August 15, 1989, p. 31

Where in the Bible does it say that you are not in the “legal case” with Jehovah God because of the penalty of your sins that need to be forgiven? How can Jesus be your means of “approaching” Jehovah if He “is not serving as your attorney” to represent your case for a pardon of your sins? Again, where in the Bible does it say that the New Covenant and Jesus’ Mediator role is limited to 144,000 members?

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all...”—1 Timothy 2:5-6

“Jesus said to him:‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”—John 14:6

Have you “come” to Jesus by directly asking Him for forgiveness and the gift of eternal life?

“Everything the Father gives me will come to me, and the one that comes to me I will by no means drive away.…No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him; and I will resurrect him in the last day.”—John 6:37, 44

“My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give them everlasting life, and they will by no means ever be destroyed, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.”—John 10:27-28
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#33446 Jan 26, 2013
If Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe the Holy Bible to the 't',they are not telling the WHOLE TRUTH about the Lord Jehovah Yahweh of His Son,the Lord Jesus Christ.
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#33447 Jan 27, 2013
FARKEL wrote:
If everyone followed these instructions from the Bible, I John 4:1..."Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
There would be ZERO jehovah's witnesses in the world.
In John 5:39-40 Jesus says,“You are searching the Scriptures, because you think that by means of them you will have everlasting life…And yet you do not want to COME TO ME that you may have life.”
Jehovah’s Witnesses are constantly “searching the scriptures”, but do they come directly to Jesus as he says they should (Mt 11:28, Jn 5:40)?
Do Witnesses “come” to Jesus by praying directly to him?
NO! It's not allowed by the GOVERNING BODY which makes all the man-made rules these deluded followers must follow.
Unfortunately, the witnesses are exactly like the people Jesus was talking about in John 5:39-40!
John - 4339
“YOU are searching the Scriptures, because YOU think that by means of them YOU will have everlasting life; and these are the very ones that bear witness about me. 40 And yet YOU do not want to come to me that YOU may have life. 41 I do not accept glory from men, 42 but I well know that YOU do not have the love of God in YOU. 43 I have come in the name of my Father, but YOU do not receive me;

Deuteronomy 18:15
15 A prophet from your own midst, from your brothers, like me, is what Jehovah your God will raise up for you—to him YOU people should listen—
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#33448 Jan 27, 2013
Jesus Christ set us a fine example of working at what we pray for. He taught us to pray:“Let your name be sanctified.”(Matthew 6:9) But Jesus also did all he could so that his listeners might sanctify his Father’s name. Likewise, Jesus did not limit himself to praying:“Father, glorify your name.”(John 12:28) No, he did what he could to glorify his Father’s name and to get others to do so.—Luke 5:23-26; 17:12-15; John 17:4.

Seeing the great spiritual need that the people had, Jesus said to his disciples:“The harvest is great, but the workers are few. Therefore, beg the Master of the harvest [Jehovah God] to send out workers into his harvest.”(Matthew 9:37, 38)

Did Jesus let matters go at that? Not at all!

Right after that, he sent out his 12 apostles in pairs on a preaching, or ‘harvesting,’ tour. Later, Jesus sent out the 70 evangelizers to do the same work.—Matthew 10:1-10; Luke 10:1-9.
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#33449 Jan 27, 2013
Here is yet another essential aspect of how to pray.

Jesus said:“No one comes to the Father except through me.”(John 14:6)

So Jesus is the means of our approach to the Father, Jehovah.

Jesus told his followers to pray in his name.(John 14:13; 15:16)

That does not mean that we should pray to Jesus. Rather, we pray in the name of Jesus, remembering that Jesus is the reason that we are able to approach our perfect and holy Father.

While the majority insist on their independence, and go along with the crowd in traveling the broad road to destruction, a way of return has opened up. While he was here on this earth, Jesus, the Son of God, called attention to this, saying:“I am the way and the truth and the life.”(John 14:6)

Because Jesus faithfully did God’s will on earth, even to sacrificing his life in behalf of the human family, God appointed him to be “the Chief Agent of Life.” He also came into the world to “bear witness to the truth” and to make known God’s purposes.(Acts 3:15; John 18:37)

He alone is able to show members of the human family the way back to the beautiful highway that leads on to the full enjoyment of a happy life in the earthly paradise of God.

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#33450 Jan 27, 2013
The evil and wicked cult of jehovah's witnesses teach that only 144,000 will go to Heaven.

Where does scripture tell us that Heaven is limited to 144,000?

The scripture does not exist.

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#33451 Jan 27, 2013
Did the Watchtower (the cult of jehovah's witnesses) claim that they “never” published a biography of Pastor Russell?

“But, is it true you have never published a biography of Pastor Russell?… That’s right. Jehovah’s Witnesses admire the qualities he possessed as a man, but were we to give the honor and credit to Pastor Russell, we would be saying that the works and success were his; but Jehovah’s witnesses believe it is God’s spirit that guides and directs his people.”—Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose, 1959, p. 63

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#33452 Jan 27, 2013
What “Biography” was published in the 1923-1927 editions of the Watchtower book, The Divine Plan of the Ages, volume 1 of their Studies in the Scriptures series?

“Biography of Pastor Russell… Charles Taze Russell, known the world over as Pastor Russell, author, lecturer and minister of the gospel, was born at Pittsburgh, Pa, February 16, 1852.”—The Divine Plan of the Ages, 1886, 1925ed, p. 1

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#33453 Jan 27, 2013
Since the evidence accuses the Watchtower Society of dishonesty in their 1959 history book, does the Society now admit that they published Russell’s biography?

“A brief biography of Russell along with his will and testament was published in The Watch Tower of December 1, 1916, as well as in subsequent editions of the first volume of Studies in the Scriptures.”—Jehovah’s Witnesses — Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, 1993, p. 64

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#33454 Jan 27, 2013
Why do you think the Watchtower covered-up Russell’s Biography for over 30 years (from 1959 to 1993)? Is there a significant statement to be found in the December 1, 1916 Watch Tower that was dedicated to Russell and his biography?

“Charles Taze Russell, thou hast, by the Lord, been crowned a king; and through the everlasting ages they name shall be known amongst the people, and thy enemies shall come and worship at thy feet.”—The Watch Tower, December 1, 1916, p. 377

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#33455 Jan 27, 2013
If the Jehovah’s Witnesses were engaged in “creature worship” of Charles Russell after his death, why would Jesus have appointed this organization to be God’s representative on earth?

“…the idea adopted by many was that C. T. Russell himself was the ‘faithful and wise servant.’ This led some into the snare of creature worship.”—1975 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, p. 88

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#33456 Jan 27, 2013
Does the Watchtower claim that in 1933 the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Berlin held to an “immovable neutral position” that refused to support the “ideology” of Hitler and his regime?

“An appeal for understanding… Jehovah’s Witnesses organized a convention in Berlin, Germany, on June 25, 1933. Some 7,000 persons assembled… The immovable neutral position of the Witnesses, along with their loyalty to God’s Kingdom, was unacceptable to the Hitler government. The Nazis did not intend to tolerate any refusal to support their ideology.”—Awake! August 22, 1995, pp. 6-7

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#33457 Jan 27, 2013
According to the 1934 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, what did the Jehovah’s Witnesses actually tell Hitler regarding their “position” toward the “principles advocated by the government of Germany”?

“The greatest and the most oppressive empire on earth is the Anglo-American empire… It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations… The present government of Germany has declared emphatically against Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nation. Such is exactly our position… Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles.”—1934 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, pp. 134-136

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#33458 Jan 27, 2013
Does the Watchtower claim that “adjustments” in the organization’s viewpoints have never been to “previous points of view”?

“At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case.”—The Watchtower, December 1, 1981, p. 27

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