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CED

Smyrna, GA

#1 Mar 27, 2007
“Guard Yourselves From Idols”

A more important issue for true Christians should be the propriety of venerating the instrument used to kill Jesus. Whether it was an upright single torture stake, a cross, an arrow, a lance, or a knife, should such an instrument be used in worship?

Suppose a loved one of yours was brutally murdered and the weapon was submitted to the court as evidence. Would you try to gain possession of the murder weapon, take photographs of it, and print many copies for distribution? Would you produce replicas of the weapon in various sizes? Would you then fashion some of them into jewelry? Or would you have these reproductions commercially manufactured and sold to friends and relatives to be venerated? Likely you would be repulsed at the idea! Yet, these very things have been done with the cross!

Besides, the use of the cross in worship is no different from the use of images in worship, a practice condemned in the Bible.(Exodus 20:2-5; Deuteronomy 4:25, 26) The apostle John accurately reflected the teachings of true Christianity when he admonished his fellow Christians with the words:“Guard yourselves from idols.”(1 John 5:21) This they did even when it meant facing death in the Roman arena.

First-century Christians, however, held the sacrificial death of Christ in high esteem. Likewise today, although the instrument used to torture and kill Jesus is not to be worshipped, true Christians commemorate Jesus’ death as the means by which God provides salvation to imperfect humans.(Matthew 20:28) This superlative expression of God’s love will bring untold blessings to lovers of truth, including the prospect of everlasting life.—John 17:3; Revelation 21:3, 4.
CED

Smyrna, GA

#2 Mar 27, 2007
The Bible’s Viewpoint

Did Jesus
Really Die on a Cross?

THE cross is one of the most recognizable religious symbols known to man. Millions revere it, considering it to be the sacred instrument on which Jesus was put to death. Roman Catholic writer and archaeologist Adolphe-Napoleon Didron stated:“The cross has received a worship similar, if not equal, to that of Christ; this sacred wood is adored almost equally with God Himself.”
Some say that the cross makes them feel closer to God when they pray. Others use it as an amulet, thinking that it protects them from evil. But should Christians use the cross as an object of veneration? Did Jesus really die on a cross? What does the Bible teach on this subject?
What Does the Cross Symbolize?
Long before the Christian era, crosses were used by the ancient Babylonians as symbols in their worship of the fertility god Tammuz. The use of the cross spread into Egypt, India, Syria, and China. Then, centuries later, the Israelites adulterated their worship of Jehovah with acts of veneration to the false god Tammuz. The Bible refers to this form of worship as a ‘detestable thing.’—Ezekiel 8:13, 14.
The Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John use the Greek word stau•ros′ when referring to the instrument of execution on which Jesus died.(Matthew 27:40; Mark 15:30; Luke 23:26) The word stau•ros′ refers to an upright pole, stake, or post. The book The Non-Christian Cross, by J. D. Parsons, explains:“There is not a single sentence in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which, in the original Greek, bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros; much less to the effect that it consisted, not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross.”
Some ancient drawings depict the use of a single wooden pole in Roman executions
As recorded at Acts 5:30, the apostle Peter used the word xy′lon, meaning “tree,” as a synonym for stau•ros′, denoting, not a two-beamed cross, but an ordinary piece of upright timber or tree. It was not until about 300 years after Jesus’ death that some professed Christians promoted the idea that Jesus was put to death on a two-beamed cross. However, this view was based on tradition and a misuse of the Greek word stau•ros′. It is noteworthy that some ancient drawings depicting Roman executions feature a single wooden pole or tree.
Bruce

United States

#3 Mar 28, 2007
No!! that is a false teaching steming from the Roman empire. He actually was empaled on a torture stake.
Old kIng James Bible. In fact that is how people were killed. both their hands were crossed over each other and nailed together, as were their feet If they hands were nailed far apart they could rip through the nail. Don't argue look up the facts as I did. research..someone told me the same thing. so I decided not to go with what I inhereted but look it up myself. I guess that is what Jesus meant when he said seek the truth it will set you free. Now I know. and I have nothing to do with crosses as like it says in the bible do not make false images or carvings of the heavens or the earth. And if you do, you can be sure you are not affiliated with the truth faith. All a matter of deduction.
Submitter Is Back

Saudi Arabia

#4 Mar 28, 2007
Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. And the likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus. God has said:

'...They said,“We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)...'(Quran, 4:157)

Islam does not accept the idea of incarnation or filial relationship. In its perspective, Jesus the son of Mary,‘Isa ibn Maryam', was a major prophet and spiritual pole of the whole Abrahamic tradition, but not a God-man or the son of God. Nevertheless, his miraculous birth from a virgin mother, who is in fact referred to in the Qur’ân as the woman chosen above all the other women of the world, is explicitly mentioned. So is the fact that he was ‘the Spirit of God’(ruhallah).

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was but a Messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed to Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him.”(Quran, 4:171)

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

New York, NY

#5 Mar 28, 2007
Submitter Is Back wrote:
Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. And the likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus. God has said:
'...They said,“We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)...'(Quran, 4:157)
Islam does not accept the idea of incarnation or filial relationship. In its perspective, Jesus the son of Mary,‘Isa ibn Maryam', was a major prophet and spiritual pole of the whole Abrahamic tradition, but not a God-man or the son of God. Nevertheless, his miraculous birth from a virgin mother, who is in fact referred to in the Qur’ân as the woman chosen above all the other women of the world, is explicitly mentioned. So is the fact that he was ‘the Spirit of God’(ruhallah).
“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was but a Messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed to Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him.”(Quran, 4:171)
thanks for sharing.

“Otter”

Since: Jan 07

New York, NY

#6 Mar 28, 2007
CED wrote:
The Bible’s Viewpoint
Did Jesus
Really Die on a Cross?
THE cross is one of the most recognizable religious symbols known to man. Millions revere it, considering it to be the sacred instrument on which Jesus was put to death. Roman Catholic writer and archaeologist Adolphe-Napoleon Didron stated:“The cross has received a worship similar, if not equal, to that of Christ; this sacred wood is adored almost equally with God Himself.”
Some say that the cross makes them feel closer to God when they pray. Others use it as an amulet, thinking that it protects them from evil. But should Christians use the cross as an object of veneration? Did Jesus really die on a cross? What does the Bible teach on this subject?
What Does the Cross Symbolize?
Long before the Christian era, crosses were used by the ancient Babylonians as symbols in their worship of the fertility god Tammuz. The use of the cross spread into Egypt, India, Syria, and China. Then, centuries later, the Israelites adulterated their worship of Jehovah with acts of veneration to the false god Tammuz. The Bible refers to this form of worship as a ‘detestable thing.’—Ezekiel 8:13, 14.
The Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John use the Greek word stau•ros′ when referring to the instrument of execution on which Jesus died.(Matthew 27:40; Mark 15:30; Luke 23:26) The word stau•ros′ refers to an upright pole, stake, or post. The book The Non-Christian Cross, by J. D. Parsons, explains:“There is not a single sentence in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which, in the original Greek, bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros; much less to the effect that it consisted, not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross.”
Some ancient drawings depict the use of a single wooden pole in Roman executions
As recorded at Acts 5:30, the apostle Peter used the word xy′lon, meaning “tree,” as a synonym for stau•ros′, denoting, not a two-beamed cross, but an ordinary piece of upright timber or tree. It was not until about 300 years after Jesus’ death that some professed Christians promoted the idea that Jesus was put to death on a two-beamed cross. However, this view was based on tradition and a misuse of the Greek word stau•ros′. It is noteworthy that some ancient drawings depicting Roman executions feature a single wooden pole or tree.
Interesting - The Romans did crucify - but it was a Slave's death. I twas not usually a sentence given to Religious Dissidents - which is what they would have viewed Jesus as. However, whether it was a true cross or a single piece of timber - it does not detract from the essence of the message of Jesus nor form the message of the crucifixion. peace.
Lenny Bruce

Vincentown, NJ

#7 Mar 28, 2007
Just think, if Jesus had died within the last 50 yrs. We'd all be wearin little electric chairs hanging on chains from our necks.
Georgie Bush Jr

Odenton, MD

#8 Mar 28, 2007
Did Jesus really exist? I think this is more the question that needs to be answered. Christianity is a fake religon, where parts of religons were stollen from.

“No Liberals! No Conservatives!”

Since: Mar 07

Fayetteville, AR

#9 Mar 28, 2007
If you believe the Shroud of Turin is real, then no. The person in the shroud was bleeding and that says his heart was beating.

“the baby who would be king!!!!”

Since: Jan 07

fort worth

#10 Mar 28, 2007
one of the points christians fail at is the fact that the glory and miracle was not in the crucifixtion (any schmuck can crawl up a tree and say he's dying for mankind and hundreds do each and every year !) rather it was the empty tomb which showed the power of jesus' CREATOR and the author of his mission here on earth

why do we not venerate and honor the empty tomb ?
JLogan3o13

Murfreesboro, TN

#11 Apr 2, 2007
I think you should give credit where credit is due for your information (WT 10/1 2006 Questions from Readers).
Submitter Is Back

Saudi Arabia

#12 Apr 2, 2007
Here is who the Muslims worship ALONE:

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Allah! There is no God but He,
the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal.
No slumber can seize Him, nor sleep.
All things in heaven and earth are His.
Who could intercede in His presence without His permission?
He knows what appears in front of and behind His creatures.
Nor can they encompass any knowledge of Him except what he wills.
His throne extends over the heavens and the earth,
and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them,
for He is the Highest and Most Exalted.

Allah, the Most High, speaks the truth.
abba

Australia

#13 Apr 2, 2007
I have it on good authority from someone who was there at the time, that yes, Jesus did die on a cross. A crossing. He ignored the amber lights.
Julie

Portland, OR

#14 Apr 2, 2007
Why did Jesus die in a cross???

His blood washed away all of the poeples' sins.
I think that's the answer, in church we talked 'bout that.
clueless 12 year old,
Julie saranchuk

If I'm wrong, explain it to me. I wanna know that.
Julie

Portland, OR

#15 Apr 2, 2007
Georgie Bush Jr wrote:
Did Jesus really exist? I think this is more the question that needs to be answered. Christianity is a fake religon, where parts of religons were stollen from.
if jesus does't exist, why would poeple make the bible? By the way, I belive in him.

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#16 Apr 2, 2007
Would that include American Idols?
Georgie Bush Jr

Odenton, MD

#17 Apr 3, 2007
Julie wrote:
<quoted text>

if jesus does't exist, why would poeple make the bible? By the way, I belive in him.
To control people like you. Go check your history. The Bible was written by people under the control of Constantine. It was used as a means to control the unwashed masses.
Christian

Houston, TX

#18 Apr 6, 2007
Georgie Bush Jr wrote:
<quoted text>To control people like you. Go check your history. The Bible was written by people under the control of Constantine. It was used as a means to control the unwashed masses.
There are biblical transcripts (of parts of the bible) that predate constantine by 100 years. Maybe you should go check your history Georgie.
Christian

Houston, TX

#19 Apr 6, 2007
We celebrate what happened at the cross because it was at the cross that Jesus put us right with God. It was at the cross that the law was fulfilled. It was at the cross that He overcame sin. Because of the cross there would never need to be another temple sacrifice or scapegoat. At the cross he fulfilled His mission as the great High Priest offering Himself for the sins of the world. The resurrection testifies of His divinity, but it is because of the cross that I am His - for I am bought with a price. The cross was that price. He asked us to "take up [our] cross and follow Him". This is why we celebrate what happened on the cross. Shall we not use the cross as a symbol to remember? Shall we also not use the bread and the wine to remember? Symbolism for remembrance have always been how God communicates to us - and what Jesus commanded us to do. Oh the wonderful cross!
John Coffey

United States

#20 Apr 6, 2007
Georgie Bush Jr wrote:
<quoted text>To control people like you. Go check your history. The Bible was written by people under the control of Constantine. It was used as a means to control the unwashed masses.
wrong george... do some reading... galatians 1:11-12... II timothy 3:16... II peter 1:20-21...

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