bless the jews

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#7399 Jun 24, 2014
The Importance of Private, Personal Intercession

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:6

This speaks of the importance and the power of private, personal prayer.

To go into our "closet" and shut the door in order to pray is a very private, personal experience. Here, in the privacy of our "set apart place" of prayer, we can express our heart to the Lord. To express our deep inner desires and feelings in prayer is as medicine to our soul. But there is a greater and more important blessing. Our Heavenly Father hears our secret prayer, and He will openly reward us.

Because no one is involved in our "shut in" time, we can come aside and pray at any time. We "choose" when to pray.

However, intercession is quite different; we "respond" to an intercessory burden which "impregnates" us, and we intercede until it is "birthed." (Photo via Freeimages)

This speaks of the importance and power of private, personal intercession.

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Romans 8:26

We must respond when this impartation of an "intercessory burden" takes place. Thus, the price of our being an intercessor is very high, as it intrudes upon our time and personal desires. This intercession may come with deep groanings, as in a birthing process. As much as possible, this should be done in private. If in a gathering of the saints, quietly slip out into a private place to "give birth" to the intercessory process.

I can say, "I will pray now," or, "I will wait and pray later." However, I cannot say, "I will intercede," either now or later. I can only say, "I will respond to an intercessory burden, if I am moved upon by the Holy Spirit to intercede."

Intercession is at the heart of the end-time intervention of our Lord. It is the "enabling" that will release and make a way for the Lord to enter the affairs of man. Just as John the Baptist was raised up as a "forerunner" of the birth and ministry of Jesus, so also, in our day, a corporate John (intercessors) is being raised up.

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#7400 Jun 24, 2014
And there appeared a great wonder in Heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. Revelation 12:1-2

These intercessors will become a "gateway" through whom the Lord will be able to greatly affect and alter the affairs of individuals and nations, in order to prepare them for their place and function in the Millennial Kingdom of God.

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up to God, and to His throne. Revelation 12:5

This "man-child" does not refer to the birth of Jesus two thousand years ago in a manger. Rather, the Book of Revelation is a revelation of "things which must shortly come to pass" (Revelation 1:1). It is a revelation of the future, not an affirmation of the past.

This "man-child" is a fully matured and qualified body (overcomers), of whom Jesus has become the active head. This "catching up" can be thought of as being a "rapture," not away from the earth in escape, but our being "lifted" to rule nations in power and authority with consequence.

The "woman" who gives birth to this "man-child" is a committed Body of intercessors within the present-day Church. She is clothed with the sun (Son) and has the moon under her feet. That is, she is receiving direct (sun) revelation from the Lord, being impregnated directly by Him for intercession, rather than moving in reflected, indirect (moon) revelation, that is received from others.

Being birthed through intercession and caught up into a higher realm, these are "ruling with the rod of iron." This speaks of end-time authority, which is imparted to a Body of overcomers whom the Lord has prepared to rightly use this authority. These ruling "overcomers" will bring tribulation to the ungodly, and impart righteousness, peace, and joy to the godly. This will lead into the establishing of the Millennial Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And they sung a new song, saying, "Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by Thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us to our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Revelation 5:9-10
come OUT of her my people

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#7401 Jun 24, 2014

Come Out of Her My People - God’s Endtime Judgment Upon Babylon

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4

The Holy Bible is the only ancient holy book in existence that predicts the future with 100% accuracy, because it is the true Word of God. God knows the end from the beginning, and He recorded it in advance through His biblical prophets so that we can know for certain that it is true and authentic. The Bible is a record of the fall and the redemption of Mankind. Everything that has been spiritually planted by Adam and Eve and all their descendants in the earth remains and shall come to full harvest before Yeshua our Messiah establishes His eternal kingdom on earth.

What does this mean? It means that God has kept perfect records of all of man’s sins. He has recorded every injustice, every hidden murder, rape, betrayal, lust, greed, avarice, sexual perversion, all that has been stolen from the poor, etc. NOTHING has gotten past Him. He has seen it all down through history. He has also seen and recorded every good deed, every noble and valiant act, all sacrifices made for the benefit of others, and every thought, word and deed done of love. In other words, payday is coming….both for the righteous and the wicked.

These things, both the bad and the good are growing up now and coming to harvest in the realm of the Spirit. The evil is budding, flowering, and bearing its’ fruit of darkness and death. The good is also budding, flowering, and bearing its’ fruit of light and life. Harvest time has finally arrived!

God has given us great grace in our generation because we have faced more temptation than any other generation before us. The deception is greater than ever before, and Satan is desperately attempting to mingle the seed between light and darkness. But, just as oil and water cannot mix, what Satan has planted in the earth and what God has planted in the earth can never be blended. It must be separated, that is what the threshing floor is for during the harvest season.

This is the place where we are now. After 2000 years of grace, it seems that everything is just mixed together, like food after it leaves your plate and goes into your stomach. However, in the realm of the Spirit, things are extremely precise and clear. Again, God knows it all and He is the Judge of the living and the dead. Now, theologians can speculate and argue all day long, as they have for centuries, about why God allows evil, or hell, or Satan, or suffering, and who goes to heaven, but it won’t change reality as set forth in the Bible: those are all eternal facts no matter what anyone’s opinion is. These are the facts:

1. We are saved from eternal hell-fire (literal) damnation only by being born again spiritually and receiving Yeshua (Jesus) as our Messiah, Savior and Lord and then living a holy life of obedience.

2. We have been given the responsibility to bring this message to the entire world and to make disciples of the nations.

3. If we don’t reach them for whatever reason, no matter how morally good a lost soul may attempt to be, they will die and go to hell forever. The Gospel message for them is their only hope.
come OUT of her my people

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#7402 Jun 24, 2014
4. Nothing else really matters.

5. We must live for eternity and not just for now.

So, what’s the big deal about harvest time anyway? Hasn’t it always been like this in every generation since Adam fell? It has in some ways, but not in others. Consider this:

1. For the first time in history, we have over 7 billion souls on planet earth. Almost half have no idea who Jesus is, and most of the rest of them have only a religious counterfeit for salvation.

2. You cannot imagine how horrible hell really is.

3. Millions and millions of precious souls are dying every minute and falling into that horrible place. Then, there is no escape for them forever!

4. More have come to God in our generation than any other, but also, more are going to hell than ever before.

5. Your life really does make a difference.

6. We have to pull those around us out of the antichrist spirit of Babylon and bring them to the Lord at all costs. How do we do this? First of all, we have to come out of the spirit of Babylon ourselves. What is Babylon anyway? It is what is running the whole world system around us. It is ruled by money, commerce, and greed. It’s lust, power, and every pleasure. It’s the blindness to live only for the moment. It’s the lie of believing that we are our own gods and we can replace God. It is much more than just this. But that’ enough to give you the idea. Its’ engine is extortion and debt. It makes nearly all men and women into economic slaves, while a few can build big empires on earth for a few years, only to lose it all when they lose their souls. Of course, having money in itself is not evil, but when it is ruling your life, like it is in our nation now, it makes a terrible master. There are many wealthy servants of God that God is transferring the wealth of Babylon into their hands so that the Gospel can go forth. We must allow the Holy Spirit to burn all covetousness out of us! Money makes a great servant, but a terrible master. Most of God’s people have no idea how strong this endtime Babylonian system really is and how it has taken over their lives.

In the late 1960’s and in the early 1970’s, there were those Christian leaders in the “Jesus movement” that actually had vision and saw “the system” for what it was.“The system, man”, they would say,“is anti-God”.“Our culture has been polluted. We don’t want to surrender to it.” But, living in communes and renouncing modern life, not having personal property, etc. wasn’t the answer. It’s isn’t an outward thing: it’s a heart thing.

The answer has been in the Bible the whole time:
“If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.” John 15:18-19

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For ALL that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever.” 1John 2:15-17

“For whatsoever is born of God OVERCOMETH the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Yeshua (Jesus) is the Son of God?” 1John 5:4-5

So the answer is that we are IN the world but we are not to be OF the world. This means that our hearts can’t entertain any idols and still be separated from the world system. We must turn away from the idolatry of our day and live for Yeshua! We must take up our cross daily, deny ourselves and go preach the gospel!
come OUT of her my people

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#7404 Jun 24, 2014
So, to conclude, this end time Babylon city has to also contain a significant Jewish population.
The only modern city that would qualify for all of the above would be New York City. New York and its’ suburbs has the largest Jewish population outside of Israel. God is calling His people home to live in the land of Israel. The time of grace will soon come to an end. God is shaking the West now, just like He did in Russia to let the Jews out and many other nations during the past century. Now he is shaking the economies of the world, centered in New York City, partly in order to bring the Jews back. It will no longer be so pleasant or comfortable here in America by the time this shaking finishes.

God has begun judging economic Babylon. It started on 9/11 with the sign when the two towers fell, fell in one hour just as it is written in Revelation 18:2,10. Our country no longer can say,“In God we trust.” Instead we could say,“In our money, we trust.” Therefore, it shall reap what it has sown. Our only hope is in God alone.
Finally, let’s look at James chapter 5:

“Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted and your garments are moth eaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the laborers, who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.”
Like a great trial attorney, the Holy Spirit is prosecuting the case before the Judge of the universe…the Lord of Hosts (the angel armies of heaven). He is stating the final judgment upon the end times Babylonian system: more exactly those individuals that extorted and abused those that worked under them. Through unjust interest, leveraged debt, stealing and murder, they plundered the people of God. This isn’t just in one generation, but throughout all of history. You have to remember that when each generation died, the wealth did not leave the planet with them. It remained here. It has been horded and hidden away and stockpiled for the very hour that we are in now. Satan will try to use all of this to stop God’s Kingdom from coming to earth, but He will fail. But God must allow for mankind to reap the harvests they have chosen.
But then James stops and writes in verse 7-8,9b:
“Be patient therefore, BRETHREN, unto the coming of Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be YE also patient; stablish your hearts: FOR THE COMING OF THE LORD DRAWETH NIGH…behold the judge standeth before the door.”
Here we see the separation of God’s people in the final generation: the Bride of Messiah. These are the ones that have come OUT of Babylon and no longer serve idols in their hearts. We see the Lord of the harvest, waiting until the last possible moment before ending the time of grace. God’s grace is like the rain that falls on the good as well as the evil until everything is FULLY GROWN. Then there is the gathering of the harvest: both good and bad. That is the work of angels in our time. They are busy SEPARATING the good from the evil.
God uses His holy fire to purify us and to cleanse our hearts. Let’s pray for that fire to consume everything that is not pleasing to Him in our lives. Stop asking for things…this is the prayer that we really NEED to pray.
May we “come out of Babylon, as God’s overcoming church, and be clean and ready when He appears for us in the midnight hour”.

Love in our Messiah,

Maurice Sklar

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#7405 Jun 24, 2014
And they sung a new song, saying, "Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by Thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us to our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Revelation 5:9-10

This Body of overcomers is being birthed from within the Church of our day, and is presently being lifted in intercessory anointing, to bring forth the end-time birthing of the purpose of our Lord.

May each of us, who are feeling these birth pains, understand and rightly respond. And if not, may we present ourselves to the Lord as being willing to become an intercessor.

Wade Taylor
Wade Taylor Ministries / Parousia Ministries
key to davidic

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#7406 Jun 24, 2014
We're seeing a "now" breakthrough: People getting miracles of healing more quickly than ever before, regional strongholds being broken, and nations turning to the Lord.
Jesus is the key of David. Let's look at Isaiah 9, and you'll see what I'm talking about:
"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace, there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over His Kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this" (Isaiah 9:6-7).(
key to davidic

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#7407 Jun 24, 2014
The government of God should be resting upon the shoulders of His kings. God wants to challenge us to know that we are kings and queens in our own hometowns. And as we step into positions of spiritual and governmental authority in our communities, God will release us to worldwide prominence and expand our territories. He will take you places that you never dreamed to unlock the Heavens and release His presence and power on earth.
HOLYSPIRIT prepares us

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#7408 Jul 1, 2014
The Holy Spirit prepares us for the Bridegroom King. He is our teacher and guide. He awakens our spirits and sets our hearts on fire. He is the One who brings the revelation of conviction, repentance and salvation.

The Spirit illuminates the Word of God, taking the logos (doctrine or the revealed will of God) and making it a heart-gripping rhema (an individual Scripture given for a specific purpose). And He is the One who makes known to us our birthright and awakens us to our destiny.

Prophetically, I believe the word to us for this hour is that we come to know the Holy Spirit as a person. We need to break outdated mindsets and paradigms of church culture that put limitations on the Holy Spirit.

Cultivate a personal relationship with Him. When we do not know Him in this way and aren't experiencing seasons of renewal, we will feel alone and abandoned.

We must cry out to know the Holy Spirit better. As we learn to embrace Him as a Person, He will come to center stage because He is leading us to the Bridegroom King.

Each of us is responsible for maintaining an intimate relationship with our beloved guide, so that when we go through the despair of the wilderness, we know immediately to lean on Him. Yield to Him and come to know Him as the best friend of the Bridegroom.
HOLYSPIRIT prepares us

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#7409 Jul 1, 2014
Jesus is seated in heaven on His Father's right hand (Heb. 1:3). The angels are there, along with a "great cloud of witnesses" (Heb. 12:1). He is watching and waiting for us, His victorious bride, to come up out of the wilderness, leaning on the Holy Spirit.
modest apparel

Tempe, AZ

#7410 Jul 2, 2014
First of all, let's talk about dress through the ages. I shall say, that the manner of clothing has varied through the ages. To wit, the fact that you are not dressed this evening as you were twenty years ago. You only have to get out an old photograph to see that quite evidently. You certainly aren't dressed the same. I can assure you, we are not dressed as we were fifty years ago, as I look back to some of those times. So, we believe in changing styles.
We can't assume that our clothing is natural, inherent, or universal. It isn't any of those things, necessarily. If changing or resisting change in style makes us righteous, then the Mennonites and the Amish are more righteous than we. Even they themselves have changed a great deal. I found in this study that they are "the plain sects", as they have labeled themselves. There are about twenty groups among "the plain sects" who have resisted change to a much greater degree than we have. So, we would say that this is not what constitutes modesty as such. To resist a change of any kind... or I can say about clothing in which we are now garbed, that "from the beginning, it was not so."
We want to talk about that which was from the beginning. We go back to the beginning, and I mean to the beginning, and deal with Biblical principles. You're going to hear me talking about Biblical principles. I shall be the first to admit, I do not know all the law that revolves around a Biblical principle. I am persuaded however, there are Biblical principles, and you believe in Biblical principles. The Bible teaches us that nakedness is a symbol of shame. In the beginning, God set some standards of dress and undress, of modesty and immodesty... to wit, the garden of Eden, is the beginning place. I suppose, after Adam and Eve had sinned, they had partaken of the forbidden fruit, they knew that they were naked and hid themselves. That's more than we do today. I'm reminded of a quote of old Marshal Keeble, who said, "In the beginning when they ate them apples, they knew they were naked and hid themselves and prayed... Lord send us some more of them apples!"
I think we live in times when we need to be saying, Lord, send us a few more of those things that made them aware that they were naked and that made them aware of the fact that they needed to be covered and caused them to hide themselves. The Bible states that they made aprons. The marginal reading is that they made girdles--something to gird about the mid-section. But even after they had thusly clothed themselves, they still hid themselves from the presence of God. They felt uncomfortable about the whole situation. I would like to point out, that though they were uncomfortable, it was not because of the way they had been raised up. Well, God raised these two! I would suspect if indeed they had any frustrations or inhibitions, they were pretty good ones. I do know this, God was not satisfied. Modern psychologists will sometimes say that you have certain inhibitions and certain frustrations, because that's the way you were raised up.
modest apparel

Tempe, AZ

#7411 Jul 2, 2014
I do know this, that God was not satisfied. They made them garments to gird themselves about the mid-section, but God was not satisfied.(Much like a tunic, reaching to the knee). The Bible teaches me that God made them coats of skins, Genesis 3:21. Not only clothed, but modestly clothed! It is not enough to be clothed, we must be modestly clothed; this is what God is concerned with. And remember, that just with their mid-section girt about, they were still naked in the sight of God. We should realize that! I do know one thing, when God made the coats of skins, he clothed them. It was not for the purpose of revealing either. It was a concealing! I would highly suspect that those coats of skin didn't do much for the figure. It did clothe them, and with that God was concerned. It certainly was not a see through job such as is sometimes evident today. May I also point out that God made Adam one, too. Sometimes we find that our men and boys may simply feel that they may clad themselves in some swim trunks, because they happen to be of the male species and parade themselves in public and feel all is well, because they happen to be a male. God made Adam one, too, and clothed his nakedness. In the Bible, Gen. 9:30-25, there is another principle (call it what you may), laid down in regard to nakedness. You will remember that this is the case of Noah who had been made drunken. He was uncovered. The Bible says he was naked. When you get uncovered, certainly that word is applicable. Well, you remember that those sons of his, lest they see their father's nakedness, put upon their shoulders a garment and backed into the situation and covered up his nakedness. I will be quite frank with you, God is saying that anytime nakedness exists to any degree, that we need a covering. This is what is set forth here.
modest apparel

Tempe, AZ

#7412 Jul 2, 2014
I am just pointing out an attitude that existed toward nakedness, even with a father-son relationship. Again, this came to be a symbolic thing. Over in Isaiah 47, listen to what He has to say, beginning with verse one: "Come down and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate. Take the millstone, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover thy thigh, pass over the river. Thy nakedness shalt be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man."
God is simply saying to them that he was going to expose them and their wickedness, and He uses this particular figure of when they would gather up their garments and cross over the river. I just point this out very hurriedly, that when it came to the point that He said the thigh was exposed, God said, "Your nakedness has been uncovered." I think that it is worthy of note. Over in Revelation 3:18, a familiar passage, He exhorts the congregation (and us), "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."
I would like to point out also, that according to God's word it is possible to be clothed and still be naked. One does not have to be naked to be naked!(In the sense the world uses it, and in the sense God uses it). Job 22:6 says, "For thou hast taken a pledge from thy brother for nought, and stripped the naked of their clothing." What he has in mind, the best I can determine, is that they were so thinly clad and so barely covered, that God said, "Ye are naked." I would suspect that this is what He has in mind in James 2:15 when he says, "If thy bother or sister be naked, be destitute of daily food." I think he is not considering someone who is stark naked as we use the term today. He is simply saying, if they be thinly or poorly clad so that they are hardly able to cover their nakedness, He says, you need to help them. We would work ourselves to death, I suppose, trying to help one another!
In John 21:7, Peter was fishing, and you remember that they saw the Lord on the shore that morning. The Bible says that Peter was naked. I remember when someone pointed that out to me. Well, here's a case--he was there fishing--and he was naked. We just assume that means what we call it, today. But, I'll assure you that this is not the case. He had taken off his outer cloak, but he was still clad in an undercoat, a linen frock that fishermen at that time wore. But he considered himself, with that only, as being naked. The divine writer considered him so. And he drew his outer cloak to him over his inner cloak... I think this is worthy. What I am saying is that clothing is not enough... it must be modest, or "God directed" clothing... and that is what we are discussing.
modest apparel

Tempe, AZ

#7413 Jul 2, 2014
Alright, let's talk about dress in the aforetime. I've approached this, you might say, historically. If you want to use the term the world uses: sometimes the bronze age--the early, middle, late; sometimes the early, middle, or late iron age; and sometimes the Persians, the Grecians, or the Romans. But, I am concerned more with dress of Old Testament times. Let's talk about it... the dress of men.
There is no doubt in my mind, since studying this, that they were dressed in tunics. There was an inner tunic, a tunic coat, a girdle a cloak, a headdress, and shoes or sandals. By an inner tunic, I mean a short shirt-like garment of varying lengths. By a tunic coat, I mean a shirt like garment, usually expressed as being long sleeved, extending usually to the ankles. By a girdle, I mean that with which to gird them about. That with which they would bind this flowing robe business to themselves in times of work, or in times when they would want to move along more rapidly. This is spoken of in Proverbs 31. You will remember that Elijah had such... John the Baptist had such. On the outer side was this cloak or mantle or robe. I am persuaded this is what he has in mind when he speaks of Joseph's coat of many colors, which his father made for him... Samuel's coat which Hannah made for him and took to him... that best robe of which it is said of the prodigal son, should be brought forth and put on him. He's talking about that robe. He was not naked except in the sense that they considered nakedness at that time. He said he still needed a robe, and he brought it to him. This is that spoken of in Matthew 6, you remember, that there he said that if someone sue you at law, he can take the shirt off your back. He can take the inner tunic or coat, but he could not take the outer cloak. But, of course, the Lord goes on, to say something about that. That cloak sometimes, many times, so far as God's people were concerned in Numbers 16, was fringed in blue.
modest apparel

Tempe, AZ

#7414 Jul 2, 2014
The word skirt is used in the Old Testament in reference to men's garments. But, I would like to point out the way in which it is used in the King James Version. In Ruth 3:9 the Bible speaks of the skirt as an individual's garment. In Psalms 133:2, I think it is speaking of an upper extremity, the collar of the oil that ran down even to the skirt, it says, but literally to the collar. In 1 Samuel 34:4, this is the case where David cut off the corner of Saul's robe. In Exodus 28:33, he is discussing the hem of the priest's garment.Now, the dress of women in that time. There was a definite distinction, because the law forbade men and women wearing the same thing. There were some feminine clothing or feminine articles which wore similar names. They were very different in embossing, embroidery, and needle work. It was again in the tunic or robe. Robes reaching to the feet so far as I know and so far as I am able to determine. In reading Proverbs 31:19-22 we learn how they got them. There are also some other kinds over there, and situations, as we talk about the vain daughters of Israel. I want you to listen to these. He speaks of their fine linen, their festive robes, their ankle chains, their nose jewels, their pindons, and their bracelets. He calls them the vain daughters with all this garb.
The clothing of the Hebrew, I would say in just sort of generalizing about it, was graceful, modest and was exceedingly significant. I mean, IT MEANT SOMETHING! It told WHO and WHAT they were. It seems to me that in reading the Old Testament, in this regard, those people had a moral urge to do what God told them to do and to represent Him correctly. Through the centuries there were very little changes. In New Testament times, I detect very little change. When we get into the New Testament all I can say is that it requires a little bit of Roman flavor, as you talk about the Roman toga, very similar to the tunic, a loose outer garment worn in public. Very similar to, and where we get the word "stole", I understand. This was dress of the common people in both ages as with John the Baptist, and so on. Of course, with the ruling class there were always the better garments, you know, as that of kings' houses. But, at the time of Jesus and his disciples, the clothing must have involved about six articles. Again, and please listen to the similarity, that linen shirt, that under garment, that tunic (John 19:23), "the coat without seam" for which those soldiers gambled--they wanted that inner garment. There was the girdle about the waist, in the case of John the Baptist it was leather. There was the outer garment of John 19:23, the leather sandals, most likely, and then the turban.
(There is something interesting about that, that I will just pitch in. This is the napkin of which the Bible speaks that Lazarus came forth still wrapped in, and it talks about, you will remember, that it was neatly placed aside in the case of Jesus in the tomb. This is very likely the turban they wore at that time).
modest apparel

Tempe, AZ

#7415 Jul 2, 2014
They were still dressed in the time of Jesus so that one could touch the border of His garment, Matthew 23:45, or in the case of Jesus (Revelation
1). Let us mention that in the New Testament, so far as I know, no particular garb is prescribed, as such. Probably, the major warning in the New Testament is against over dress. That sounds like an odd thing in our time. First Peter 3, you know, says not having the broided hair and all. This is overdoing the thing, and what he is warning against, here. But, modesty Is stressed more under this age than in any other.
Now, let's talk about that word--modesty. Modesty, shamefacedness, sobriety, again, may I point out, we need to seek to know. This should be among us a studied art...
WHAT DOES GOD WANT? I think that I speak to people who want to know. What does God really want me to do? I think we are ready to do it. The word modest literally means orderly, well-arranged, decent. This is as it's used in 2 Timothy 2:7 and 1 Peter 3:3--an ordering of the whole life. Modest as a word can surely mean this. Thayer says it means well-arranged, seemly, modest, living with decorum, decently. Webster, in his International version, went all the way back to the Archaic meaning, and I wanted to pick up the whole thing.
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#7416 Jul 2, 2014
Listen to this; he says the word modest means, "lacking in vanity, not bold, not self asserting, retiring in manner, moderate, observing conventional standards of dress and manner, free from coarseness and indecency, not showy." The word modesty means freedom from coarseness and indelicacy. A regard for propriety in dress, speech, and conduct.
The word shamefacedness, 1 Timothy 2:9, is used to show a sense of shame, modesty. Listen to some translations. Just pick out this part if you will. Shamefacedness is translated shamefastness, a quiet and serious air, reverence, and respect; modest and serious. When he talks of shamefacedness, it literally means modesty which is fast, as rooted in the very soul of man. So, this is what he's wanting, something that is rooted and grounded in shamefastness. Behaving according to a standard of what is proper, or decent, or pure. But, listen to Jeremiah 6:15, where he raises the question: "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the Lord." He said they came to a place where nothing bothered them. I mean they were as bold and brazen as could be. And it is from this that we pick up the word shamefacedness, a sense of shame still, fast in our souls, and our God intends for it to be that way.
Sobriety means literally, soundness of mind, sound judgment. This is like Acts 26 where, I understand, this same word is used. You remember that they had accused Paul of being beside himself, that much learning had made him mad. He said, "I am not mad most noble Festus, But I speak the words of truth and sobriety." Soberness is saying that we should have inner self government. A system of checks and balances. He's saying we need something to have a constant rein on the passion and the desires of this fleshly man... that we need this inner barrier that we have erected against whatever may be opposed to modesty and shamefacedness and sobriety. Why all this? Listen to the passage: "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety: not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. People should know by the way we dress, and the way we do, what we are, or what we profess to be! People do not have to carry around an x-ray with them. You may be a perfectly good person, but please don't expect the world to carry around an x-ray machine with them, to check you out on the inside to see how you are. God said they have a perfect right to look at the outside, and that's about the only thing they will do and make their conclusion. I know one thing, our clothing will show our shamefacedness or lack of it. This must rule out clothing whatever it is which exposes or causes unwholesome thinking. It could not possibly be clothing that causes lewd or lustful thoughts or emotions. I like what Solomon said in Proverbs 11:22, "As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion." We've never lived long enough to out do that one and we never will!
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#7417 Jul 2, 2014
I pointed out, I believe, we are judged by our clothing by both God and man. They may be nonverbal, but there are some powerful, accurate, consistent, representations of self. What you really are! So, there is a relationship between dress and morals. Clothing or the lack of it is symbolic of the moral standard of any given culture. Pick out a culture, whatever it may be. You can determine a great deal about the moral standard of it by the clothing or a lack of it in that particular culture. I didn't find any exception to that. We cannot deny the sordid, sorry, evidence of the thing. For this relationship, it seems to me, is based on three things: One, the degree of exposure, two, concealment, or three, manner of concealment or emphasis. Your mind can run wild with these three things. What I'm saying is that it's involved, and you can't get away from these three things. Some people will still insist in the face of all this that there is no relationship between dress and morals. That I am a fine person, regardless of what my dress, or my manner of dress or garb may say... male or female.
I have never tried to defend David. I think David absolutely sinned. But brother, I want to tell you there are some other places for people to bathe too, other than where she was bathing in full view of the king's court, and she very well knew it. There is a connection between dress and morals and what ensues. We might as well face it.
There are two types of clothing that exist, or at least the Bible discusses for me! This is not going to be very pleasant, but it's a fact, so far as I know -- the attire of a harlot and modest clothing. That's a broad breach, but there they are. Proverbs 17, talks about how they dressed themselves in such a fashion, that they were recognized as a certain person. Read Genesis 38. Tamar knew exactly when she was ready to do what she did. She put off the clothing that she was wearing, and put on another garb, that advertised her as being completely something else. She was quite aware of it. We may as well wake up and be aware of these things in the time in which we live. You know there is one question I never did answer for myself. When I thought about that late one night I said, how would one tell. I'm not throwing forth a slanderous statement; I'm just asking the question of myself, how would one tell such an individual? We have lived to see the day when people like this have come to be the fashion setters of our time. What clothing has been described as... and may I point out that the lady that described them is the lady that created them, Mary Quant in London, and she ought to know. She began the style. She said that mini clothing has been described as symbolic of those who want to seduce another. She ought to know, she started the situation. May I remind you that people look on the outward appearance, and it projects your self tremendously.
Maybe you are saying, why all this emphasis? These are some questions I asked myself.
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#7418 Jul 2, 2014
Why all the emphasis on modesty when talking to the women, instead of men? The best answer I know is that God put it there. God placed it there. And I'm not saying that men and boys are not to be modest. I would highly suggest as I have already mentioned in regard to swim suits in public places, a boy or a man going about shirtless or with skin tight garb is not doing anything to enhance his Christian image, I guarantee you! Such a person needs to keep in mind the garden of Eden attraction, that they were clothed about the mid-section and God said they were naked. Please, don't forget that. God did place the greater duty with the woman as far as modest dress; to control the situation. God knew the physical and mental make-up of man and woman and he did a tremendous job with it. He knew what he was doing.
Let me point out this. There is a connection between modesty, and sex identification. You know, about this time in this study, I sort of got to the place, where I thought, well, now is modesty the result of clothing, or is clothing the result of modesty? I sort of had to stop and think that over for a few minutes. Then I realized that modesty is a thing that has to be taught to a person. To wit, the little guy, when he's a certain age, he'd just as soon go next door without a stitch on! It wouldn't bother him in the least. He has to be taught a few things, you know. That just isn't acceptable behavior, and we try to dress them in such a way as they begin to take upon themselves identification. I am persuaded that there needs to be some identification.
Well, we can say clothing is for what reasons? We could reel off things such as protection, utility, status, ornamentation — that's the big one. Adorning is the major idea in every race and culture I considered. But, there's one other big one and that is sex identification.
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#7419 Jul 2, 2014
The clothing a child wears helps him or her identify his sex. When a little boy dresses like his daddy, everything I have ever learned about human growth and development when he dresses like his daddy — it is not just so he can look like his daddy, but so he can immerse himself in his daddy's world, in daddy's activities. And, so it is with a little girl when she's brought up in a feminine world where she needs to be brought up — so she may be immersed in the world and activities of her mother. So there are some necessary props in this thing to help in teaching them.
Now, this brings up this thing of distinction between sexes. This was one of the most dearly ingrained codes that I found in various groups, in sort of a sociological approach. I'm not saying that's the best approach; I'm just saying that is one of the approaches. I wanted to note something about that... one of the most deeply ingrained codes is for a boy to understand that he is a boy, and a girl to understand that she is a girl and to play that role! There is a thing called transvestism. For a lack of a better term I use the thing. It just simply means trans-vest, simply means one sex wears the clothes of the other sex. This is strictly taboo in about every culture I considered. They have some distinct feelings and laws against the male dressing as a female, and the female dressing as a male in their particular culture. There are some strict taboos, and there is a rule that exists, and believe me, they know what it is.
You know, even here in this country there are still laws, though they aren't enforced. New York, for instance, has a law against transvestism. It was very evident when I was there this last summer, they don't enforce all that up there [from] some things I saw. I do understand from what I've read that men are still arrested in various states, in various places, for dressing themselves as women. If this is not true you may correct me. There are laws, on the civil code, that insist that it not be done. Let me give you the reason. They said to preserve moral, political, and social order. They made this law for that reason. The other big reason is that transvestism increases homosexuality among both men and women. This is their big reason why at one time these things were written into the laws of the particular places. My question is, as I thought and read those things, what's the basis of these laws? Why? They, of course, may have been approached from the standpoint that they saw the problem and said, "Look, we had better deal with the problem."
But, I submit, that so far as we are concerned, there is something better than that. I'd like for you to listen to some things written aforetime, which the Bible states, that were written for our learning and admonition. In Deut. 22:5 from the Amplified Version, "The woman shall not wear that which pertains to a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment; for all that do so are an abomination to the Lord your God." The Revised Standard Version rendering is: "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment. For whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."

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