bless the jews
bow bow kneel kneel

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#6445 Oct 17, 2013
A Christendom which bows before Jehovah will rule the earth. David worshiped and ruled his world in his day. Let us do the same in ours

."O come let us worship and bow down;
Let us kneel before the LORD our Maker
For He is our God,And we are the people of His pasture,And the sheep of His hand" (Ps. 95:6)

Bowing With Everything in Your Soul
"and all that is within me, bless His holy name!"

This section will be brief, but it is important. Don't let it evade your notice.

For the soul of man to truly worship God it must first bow before God. Only then can the soul praise God properly. When David commanded his soul to bless God, he commanded his soul to bow before Almighty God in worship.

David's worship was a key to David;s success as a king. David's worship and the dominion he enjoyed were connected to each other. We need to know this.

It is as we bow before Jehovah's throne in worship that we properly position ourselves to receive the blessing and power we need to comprehensively reign in life by Christ Jesus.
nulify

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#6446 Oct 17, 2013
Breaking the Poverty Spirit

Breaking the Poverty Spirit, David Hino, June 2012

The spirit of poverty is more than a lack of money. People with wealth can have the spirit of poverty. I have seen poor people who have a wealthy mindset and wealthy who have a poverty spirit.

People who are never satisfied and hoard demonstrate a poverty spirit. A poverty spirit says,“I can’t” and a wealthy spirit says,“God can.” A poverty spirit feels weak, and a wealthy spirit feels strong. Revelations 2:9, says we can be in physical poverty yet still be rich.

I have gained much understanding about the poverty spirit from A Framework for Understanding Poverty by Ruby K. Payne; Culture Of Honor by Danny Silk and Generational curses from Paul Cox.

Payne has a number examples of people living in a poverty mindset, a middle class mindset and wealthy mindset. One example is looking at food, a poverty mindset derives value in the “quantity” of food. A middle class mindset wants “quality” food. People with a wealthy mindset want food with a beautiful presentation. Payne’s study has implications into the education system. Children with high intelligence but with a poverty mindset will continue to have poor grades. Children have to be taught to move from a poverty mindset to a middle class mindset and finally to a wealthy mindset in order to improve their grades.
When looking for a church, a poverty mindset looks for any church to attend. A middle class mindset looks for the “best” church which meets one’s needs. A wealthy mindset looks for God’s presence in the church and the “best” is not the issue.

When Jesus died on the cross, a poverty spirit says we are worthless before God. A middle class mindset works to become worthy. A wealthy mindset says,“we are valuable to God.”

When looking at God, a poverty spirit says,“sinner.” A middle class spirit says,“servant.” A wealthy spirit says,“son.”

When dealing with pain, a poverty spirit wants to escape in silence or explode in anger, a middle class spirit works to get out of pain and a wealthy spirit stays the course.

When dealing with material goods, a poverty spirit hoards, a middle class spirit lives to shop, a wealthy spirit lives to give.

When understanding time, a poverty spirit lives in the past, and survives one day at a time. A middle class spirit lives in the present. A wealthy spirit lives for eternity, make history and blesses the next generation.

When praying, a poverty spirit prays to survive, a middle class spirit prays to succeed and a wealthy spirit prays to bless.

When having a worldview, a poverty spirit thinks their local world is the center of the world. A middle class spirit thinks nationally. A wealthy mindset thinks internationally.(adapted from Payne)

When believing in the supernatural acts of God, a poverty spirit says,“Not,” a middle class spirit says,“Might,” and a wealthy spirit says,“Why not!”

When God spoke to Israel as they moved across the river Jordan, He said,“This day I have rolled away the reproach of Egypt from you.” I believe that one of the “reproaches of Egypt” was the spirit of poverty that they were delivered from.

The reasons for being in a poverty spirit is complex: cultural, family upbringing, generational, and/or emotional woundedness. There are no easy steps to move from the spirit of poverty to the wealthy spirit.

For the children of Israel, it was 40 years of wandering in the desert to rid themselves of this mindset. God wants us to live in the spirit of wealth. May you uncover some of the lies that the enemy has been using to hold you back and may you will move forward into the truths of God. Developing a wealthy spirit will allow you to grow into the person God created you to be.
truth shall set us free

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#6447 Oct 17, 2013
Here are sixteen reasons why prophetic people have a difficult time.

Many quotes in these areas come from some of the leading teachers in the prophetic such as John Paul Jackson, Jack Deere, Rick Joyner, Graham Cooke and many others.

1. Prophetic people usually think in “concepts” more than in “details”. Prophetic people are more right brain and while most people have been trained to be left brain thinkers. Prophetic people often hear words from God in images and ideas. Rick Joyner says that concept-oriented people and detailed oriented people often clash and sometimes question each other’s motives.

2. A critical spirit is not the gift of prophecy. Prophets too often believe they know what is right and wrong. If you want to prophesize a critical word, it is probably not prophecy, it is criticism. If your prophecy is hurting people, then you are likely being critical and not prophetic.

If we find it easy to give negative words, then we have no understanding of the grace and goodness of God.(Graham Cooke, Developing Your Prophetic Gifting p.76)

3. Learning to live with frustration. Prophetic people must learn to deal with frustration. Frustration is when nothing happens or things get worse for the recipient after you give a prophetic word. Frustration is when others question your theology due to your prophetic gifting. Frustration is listening to strong prophetic people who are telling you five different and contrary things to do.

Frustration is an enemy to the prophetic ministry. It will always color our thinking, infect the word we have, and give us a jaundiced perspective on the life of the church. If we are to represent God’s heart and be good servants, we must learn to master our frustration.(Graham Cooke, Developing Your Prophetic Gifting, p.78)
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#6448 Oct 17, 2013
Prophetic ministers seem to have more disappointment with God than the average person. They often see clearly how things should be or how God plans for them to be. But they have to wait in faith for a longer time because they have seen further ahead. They are much more prone to the Proverbs 13:12 difficulty: "Hope deferred makes the heart sick." Because their expectations are typically higher, they are more deeply disappointed….

Every time Jeremiah opened his mouth he got in trouble. He was perplexed, he was ridiculed, and he wanted to quit. Nevertheless, the word of the Lord was like a fire burning within him, and he could not hold it back (Jer 20:9). Some of that pain comes with the calling.(Mike Bickle, Growing in the Prophetic, p.130).

The prophetic spirit is not worried about the timing of the prophetic word. It links with the heart of God and declares his heart. Be patient, stay with God, stay with his heart.(Wesley Chambers)

4. Learning to live with rejection. Sometimes the prophetic words may be rejected and criticized by others. The Old Testament prophets often were rejected. Rejection is a common experience for people exercising the prophetic.

Dwelling on past rejections will keep us self-centered instead of Christ centered, which will obviously cause a distortion in our vision.(Rick Joyner, The Prophetic Ministry)The Prophetic Ministry often places the prophet in extreme situations with high stakes: success or failure, acceptance or rejection, vindication or humiliation, life or death. When great success results, victories are won and great revival takes place, the prophet usually expects leadership to appreciate his or her prophetic words and powerful performances. Yet often such leadership reacts instead as Queen Jezebel did - not only with rejection, but with threats of destruction. Consequently the prophet may grow discouraged. Prophets reach the bottom of this pit of despair by descending steps, beginning with disappointment. If the situation is not immediately adjusted with a proper attitude, such disappointment will lead next to discouragement, then resentment, self pity, a persecution complex, and anger. The final step for prophets who climb down into this pit is a bitter and hard critical spirit that causes them to be a law unto themselves, with such a spirit of rejection that no one can reach them in their self delusion.(Dr Bill Hamon, Prophets Pitfalls and Principles)

Prophetic people are especially susceptible to rejection. This rejection can lead to bitterness, negativism, and self-pity – all things that make prophetic people useless for the ministry of the Holy Spirit.(Jack Deere Surprised, By the Voice of God, p.205) In rejection we must open our hearts so that the love of God can flow in. Most prophetic people feel rejected because they do not have any relationships of worth and value" (Graham Cooke, Developing Your Prophetic Gifting, p.78)
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#6449 Oct 17, 2013
The Church and Prophetic. Even though the Bible clearly establishes prophecy as one of the gifts, the church has forgotten and dismissed this gifting and office. The role of pastors, teachers, evangelists, and even apostles are clearly established in many church denominations.

The church does not understand the role of the prophet and therefore there is a huge silence on this subject. This silence by the church gives opportunity for others to define prophets as new age, quacks, false and/or demonic. A modern day prophet is never seen as having any credibility but is automatically labeled a “false” prophet. Is it any wonder when people start to move in the prophetic ministry that the church automatically casts suspicion? Prophetic people in established churches have to operate under the radar or keep quiet least other Christians label them in negative terms. In many churches, prophetic people are not supported or empowered but often are tolerated and criticized. Sadly, too many prophetic people either leave their churches or if they constantly feel minimized and unfulfilled in their gifts.
set us free

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#6450 Oct 17, 2013
Prophetic people are especially susceptible to rejection. This rejection can lead to bitterness, negativism, and self-pity – all things that make prophetic people useless for the ministry of the Holy Spirit.(Jack Deere Surprised, By the Voice of God, p.205) In rejection we must open our hearts so that the love of God can flow in. Most prophetic people feel rejected because they do not have any relationships of worth and value"

Too often pastors and prophets do not get along.
Prophets want to move too fast and deal with sin now. Pastors see the whole picture and move at a much more deliberate pace. Pastors want to protect people while prophets want to blow things up. Misunderstandings between the two are common. When the pastor resists, the prophet pushes harder and a cycle of reaction is set in motion. Pastors and prophets have to give each other grace and love.

Many prophetic people get in touch with their giftings long before they cultivate the corresponding wisdom, humility and character that is necessary to succeed in prophetic ministry. In the beginning, they may appear arrogant or pushy because of their zeal. As years go by, their pushiness usually increases because of fear, hurt and rejection. The average person who has been in prophetic ministry for 10 years is pretty beat up and bruised. This is especially true if the prophetic gift was active in their early years. By the time they are 40 or 59 they are often very guarded and suspicious of authority figures.

(Mike Bickle, How Pastors Relate to Prophets)
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#6451 Oct 17, 2013
The second word was as exciting. The second word He gave me was “secrets”. And He led me to Amos where the Bible says,“The Lord God does nothing unless He reveal His secret to his servants the prophets.” And the Lord spoke to me that for this year the prophets will begin to operate at a higher level of revelation than ever, and that secrets would begin to be revealed to them, both for individual and for churches. And that’s happened for me so far this year. I just came from a series of meetings and the pastor said,“You’ve never operated on this high a level of secrets.”
Just an outstanding example, of the power of prophecy. One man called prophecy “a miracle of utterance”. Now we get excited about miracles in finances and miracles of feeling, and miracles of deliverance.

Prophesy is a miracle, but just a miracle of utterance. I was speaking at a Methodist pastured by a spirit-filled guy at a Methodist church, a church full of Methodists, And I stood up to demonstrate the prophetic. He said,“Don’t speak in tongues. It will freak them all out, but stand up and prophesy over our membership.”

Well as much as a gift is given, as much as it is an endowment, it is also a skill, and skills need time to develop. So everyone’s gift is going to start at a lower level, and through practice, practice, practice, become bigger and better. So I just began to practice. I began to have a dream and then another dream. I began to have visions. I began to know things and stuff about people. And as I gave those things that I felt God had given me for other people, the accuracy began to grow. Gifts are like muscles.

The more you use them, the more you exercise and the bigger they become. So now after almost 34 years of doing this my gift has grown over the years through practice, practice, practice.

…..the Holy Spirit went right down the line. I call prophesy, both diagnostic and prescriptive, in that God uses prophesy to diagnose problems and then He uses prophesy to prescribe the solution….
…..the Holy Spirit went right down the line. I call prophesy, both diagnostic and prescriptive, in that God uses prophesy to diagnose problems and then He uses prophesy to prescribe the solution….
set us free

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#6453 Oct 17, 2013
The second word was as exciting. The second word He gave me was “secrets”. And He led me to Amos where the Bible says,“The Lord God does nothing unless He reveal His secret to his servants the prophets.” And the Lord spoke to me that for this year the prophets will begin to operate at a higher level of revelation than ever, and that secrets would begin to be revealed to them, both for individual and for churches. And that’s happened for me so far this year. I just came from a series of meetings and the pastor said,“You’ve never operated on this high a level of secrets.”
Just an outstanding example, of the power of prophecy. One man called prophecy “a miracle of utterance”. Now we get excited about miracles in finances and miracles of feeling, and miracles of deliverance. Prophesy is a miracle, but just a miracle of utterance. I was speaking at a Methodist pastured by a spirit-filled guy at a Methodist church, a church full of Methodists,
And I stood up to demonstrate the prophetic. He said,“Don’t speak in tongues. It will freak them all out, but stand up and prophesy over our membership.”
Well as much as a gift is given, as much as it is an endowment, it is also a skill, and skills need time to develop. So everyone’s gift is going to start at a lower level, and through practice, practice, practice, become bigger and better. So I just began to practice. I began to have a dream and then another dream. I began to have visions. I began to know things and stuff about people. And as I gave those things that I felt God had given me for other people, the accuracy began to grow. Gifts are like muscles. The more you use them, the more you exercise and the bigger they become. So now after almost 34 years of doing this my gift has grown over the years through practice, practice, practice.
set us free

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#6454 Oct 17, 2013
…..the Holy Spirit went right down the line.

I call prophesy, both diagnostic and prescriptive, in that God uses prophesy to diagnose problems and then He uses prophesy to prescribe the solution….
…..the Holy Spirit went right down the line.

I call prophesy, both diagnostic and prescriptive, in that God uses prophesy to diagnose problems and then He uses prophesy to prescribe the solution….
inner healing is wrong

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#6455 Oct 17, 2013
What's Wrong With Inner Healing?
What's Wrong With Inner Healing?


.....in-depth study of the Book of Acts, and “Why did Paul want to be in Jerusalem for Pentecost?” In Religion in the News,“A more macho church.” We’ll take a look at that story and examine the question:“What is the subconscious mind?”
Now, this week’s Cover Article. Tom and Dave continue our series of programs based on their book, Psychology and the Church: Critical Questions, Crucial Answers . This week we focus on the question,“What’s wrong with inner healing?” Along with Dave Hunt, here’s T. A. McMahon.

Tom:
Thanks, Gary . You’re listening to Search the Scriptures Daily, a program in which we encourage everyone who desires to know God’s truth to look to God’s Word for all that is essential for salvation and living one’s life in a way that is pleasing to Him. In this first segment of Search the Scriptures Daily, Psychology and the Church has been our topic of discussion and it developed into a series of programs which, the Lord willing, we hope to conclude in the next week or so. So, Dave, as you know, we focused specifically on psychological counseling as practiced by secular psychologists and psychiatrists and those who call themselves Christian psychotherapists, those who attempt to mix their secular education and training in psychology with their Christian worldview.

What I’d like to talk about today is the psychologically influenced movements that have led the evangelical church further away from the sufficiency of God’s Word. And that’s why we’ve brought this series to the program because the evangelical church, almost exponentially has left the Word of God for these methods,techniques, ideas of men rather than God’s Word.

I’m thinking about movements such as inner healing ministries, twelve-steps programs, Theophostic prayer counseling, Celebrate Recovery, and others, and nearly all of them—and this is my concern, Dave, nearly all of them shroud psychological concepts and techniques in spiritual terms so they seem devoid of psychology, which is far from the case. I’m going to start with inner healing.

Dave:
Yeah, well, Tom, I guess the mother, or the goddess of inner healing would be Agnes Sanford, she was associated with John and Paula Sandford.
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#6456 Oct 17, 2013
...Episcopalian, right, influenced people like Ruth Carter Stapleton and numerous others, which we will address.

Dave:
Agnes Sanford was so bad it is unbelievable. I used to call her, the charismatics Mary Baker Eddy because it was basically Christian Science that she was teaching, although it was a little beyond that even, New Age.

Tom:
Influenced by Carl Jung, so that’s the psychological connection here, part of it.
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#6457 Oct 17, 2013
Yeah, I think she dreamed up a lot of it herself. She grew up in China and she picked up a lot of ideas over there, the Thao, the force. She said God is a life force in everyone and you can do this with your mind, you can project this force to others.

She was into visualization—a burglar comes into your house, visualize him as a gentle, kind Christian man.

And when you pray for your children, you visualize them as what you want them to be.

Now, of course, Yongi Cho still teaches that sort of thing. It’s occultism, it’s an occult technique, not the Bible. You wouldn’t find any gospel in her teaching.

Let me just quote from some of the things. She said,“God is a form of energy like electricity, the original force that we call God. We are part of God—not true, He is nature, not true.

She talks about confronting a snake and she says,“I was conscious of oneness with God, and therefore with the snake, which God had made.” From Emmett Fox, he calls himself, one of Charles Fillmore’s spiritual children—
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#6458 Oct 17, 2013
The founder of Unity School of Christianity, Charles Fillmore.

Dave:
Right, Charles Fillmore. She picked up many ideas, let me quote some of them.“God’s love was blacked out from man by negative thought vibrations.” My gracious, I thought it was sin! And it wasn’t that God’s love was ever blacked out from man. God always loved man.“Jesus lowered His thought vibrations to the thought vibrations of humanity.” No, Jesus became a man, born of a virgin. Tom, she’s got the wrong Jesus, the wrong God, and “through His thought vibrations He accomplished the at-one-ment, the atonement.”

But that’s a unity term that Fillmore called, and I’m quoting Fillmore now,“Reconciliation of man’s mind with the divine mind through the superconsciousness of Christ’s mind.” You see, these people don’t believe in Jesus—well, you could say, everyone that confesseth not that Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

Now, you would say everybody believes that. Well, but it means He came once and for all. He didn’t reincarnate. He was resurrected and He was a real man. God and man in one person. Now, she denies that, and she says He came to bring the mind of man together with the divine mind. Now this is religious science that God is the great mind. And it’s amazing, Tom, I could get sarcastic, but this universal mind, they call it by various names, strangely enough does not have a mind of its own.

And although it’s in control of everything, because it created everything, this mind, yet we can project our thoughts into this mind and get this mind to do what we want it to do. She commends the prayers of unity and other modern schools of prayer, which, this is her statement,“project the power of God for healing.” She gives four steps for tapping into the God force, the second being,“to turn it on we simple say, Whoever you are, whatever you are, come into me.” So, those who follow those instructions would be inviting demons into them. Even the Hindu’s know better than that. She quotes a scientist,“A vibration of very, very high intensity and extremely fine wave length with tremendous healing power caused by spiritual forces operating through the mind of man is the next thing scientists expect to discover.” See, she’s trying to make it scientific. I’m sorry, I’ve talked too long, Tom. She’s like a Mary Baker Eddy, this is Christian Science.

Tom:

Yeah, and Dave, the connection here, and this is what we’re trying to point out, that Agnes Sanford, among others, they take concepts of psychotherapy, they intermix them with spiritual terms. Most of this is mind science, and in the process Christians buy into it. They say, Well, she doesn’t have anything to do with psychology, she really, you know, on the one hand, she said, No, this is spiritual. On the other hand, she seems to support what she’s saying through psychology.

Let me give you a quote from one of her books. She says,”Oh, my dear, you’re seeing them sick, cried the beautiful minister, If your subconscious mind does not really believe it’s going to be well, you only fasten the illness on him.” This is religious science, mind science, but the subconscious, Freudian idea, Jungian idea, the collective unconscious, this is how this stuff filters down and impacts evangelicals today, and it’s happening big time, Dave, as you know.

Now Dave, the other individual that she really influenced greatly was Richard Foster, and I’ll give you a quote from his book. He says,“I’ve been greatly helped in my understanding of the value of the imagination in praying for others by Agnes Sanford, and my dear friend pastor Bill Vaswig.” So, she has had great influence in a really unbiblical way, but she is influencing many people in the interviewing movement. Now Dave, what about memories, repressed memories, that’s a major part of that process?
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#6459 Oct 17, 2013
Well, let me give you just one more quote from Agnes Sanford, so people really understand how bad this lady was. She says,“We can be made ill by negative vibrations. We can heal ourselves and others through positive vibrations, now what’s the point of asking God to do it?” See, you mentioned this is science of mind, this is the power of the mind. Look, let me explain it this way: everybody knows what a placebo is. You give a person a placebo, you give a person a placebo—
Tom:
Well, it’s a sugar pill, it’s a pill that has no value whatsoever except that it seems to be a pill.
Dave:
Right, and you tell the person that it is a pain killer. Now, in 50% or more in the cases it kills their pain. And you see the power is not in the pill, but it’s in your belief, what your mind is thinking, so what is the power of the mind? So what she has done, and many others, they’ve reduced God to a placebo. He doesn’t really have to exist, and it doesn’t matter what God you believe in so long as you believe in—like AA, Alcoholics Anonymous, a higher power, never mind what you call it. Then your mind, it’s your belief in this placebo that does the work. So, she said:“We can heal ourselves and others through positive vibrations, and we could even forgive the sins of others and turn them into Christians in the same way.” She says, for example: Project—here’s a burglar that has come into your house—“Project into the burglar’s mind the love of God, by seeing him as a child of God, and asking God to bless him.” Then she goes on and says:“A new age is being born when love power projected at the command of ministers and surveyors of children and everyone, it’s sufficient to change hearts. This is the beginning of a new order, dawning of a new day.” Tom, you want to make a connection. There’s a connection because, as we’ve tried to explain, what is psychology? What are they dealing with? Well, it’s self! They will says, Well, you don’t use 90% of your brain, you know, and so forth. But anyway, what they are trying to do is get the person thinking in the right direction. Now it doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not. Tom, it reminds me of the hospice movement. It doesn’t matter what you comfort the person with just so you comfort them. Now you can’t comfort them with eternal life, you can’t comfort them with, you will awaken in heaven, you can’t comfort them with, Christ died for your sins and He loves you— No, that would be religion. So you just try to smooth everything over and comfort them. Now that’s the power of the mind, and what Agnes Sanford taught, and really it’s in psychology. There is no reality out there because psychology is atheistic. And now Christians are going to try to take this atheistic, materialistic, humanistic movement and its ideas and somehow apply them to the Bible, integrate them to the Bible as though the Bible is not sufficient.
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#6460 Oct 17, 2013
Well, Dave, as we mentioned a couple of weeks ago, yes, it’s atheistic on the one hand, on the other hand it’s very spiritual. We talked about the religions of the East coming to the West and psychological concepts and terms. Now, here’s a quote from Agnes Sanford, this is out of, The Seduction of Christianity :“Wise men of India, for many centuries have trod the lofty peaks of meditation developing their psycho spiritual powers, giving birth to their over souls, spirits of those dead for whom we have prayed on earth are working through us.” And this is an integration of Eastern mysticism, of mind science, which is really—that goes back to Eastern mysticism doesn’t it?
Dave:
Right. Okay, Tom, so when we exposed this in, The Seduction of Christianity everybody was against us. They were upset and at Joan Wimber’s Vineyard fellowship—I don’t know about today, but her books were selling well. They are probably still selling well in—at one time they were best sellers—Christian bookstores. Does no one have any discernment? And John and Paula Sanford, they were associated with her for years, they have denounced us, and yet they admit that she was involved in Unity, in spiritualism, in occultism. John even declared that she had been unsaved and demon possessed at the time she wrote The Healing Light , and founded the schools of pastoral care where he taught with her and that he led her to Christ and cast the demon out in 1964! Yet they are studying inner healing and learning it from this woman!
Tom:
Right. Dave, one of the tragedies of this movement, especially as it was taken to heart in many Christian circles, was repressed memories and healing of memories.
Dave:
Right, she’s the one who led the church into the healing of memories.
Tom:
Exactly. Dave, I want to move on to 12-Steps. Throughout the church, the evangelical church, we have all kinds of Steps programs, and so on and so forth, and 7-Steps—Well, I’ll get into some of them, but 12-Steps, that whole thrust goes back to Bill Wilson who was one of the co-founders of Alcoholics Anonymous, and again, what we’re trying to do here is show you the connection, show our listeners, our viewers, the connection between psychotherapy, psychological counseling ideas, concepts, and so on, and what’s happening in the church today. Here’s a letter that Bill Wilson wrote to Carl Jung. Because we said, AA had its origins in really the master occultist, spiritualist Carl Jung psychiatrist. Anyway, Bill Wilson writes to him:“AA actually started long ago in your consulting room, and it was directly founded upon your own humility and deep perception. You will also be interested to learn that in addition to the spiritual experience, many AA’s, that is those in Alcoholic Anonymous, report a great variety of psychic phenomenon, the cumulative weight of which is very considerable. Other members have, following their recovery in AA—and of course, you never fully recover, you’re always in recovering—been much helped by Jungian analysts—that is those who follow the concepts and teachings Carl Jung—a few have been intrigues by the I Cheng, and your remarkable introduction to that work. Letter from Bill Wilson, co-founder AA, to Carl Jung. So, Dave, in other places I’ve read, psychological journals, and so on, they give Carl Jung credit for really being the founder, in a sense, of AA.
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#6461 Oct 17, 2013
Dave:
All right, let’s make another connection. Carl Jung had his own spirit guide, well, he probably had quite a few of them actually.

Tom:
He did.

Dave:
And he was in touch with them, he got his inspiration from them, much of which Christian psychologists study and pass on to their followers today came from Carl Jung who got it from the demonic world. And this is where Agnes Sanford got her wisdom and what she passed on into the church.
Tom:
Now Dave, as—well, I guess we didn’t mention it, I thought we mentioned it before the program went on, but her son John Sanford, an Episcopal priest, was also a Jungian, Carl Jungian analyst.

Dave:

Right. Tom, it’s beyond comprehension. Now you mentioned, Celebrate Recovery, well, you went to the course, you took the whole thing, and this is just from Alcoholics Anonymous. They deny that its involved with the 12-Steps? Tell us what you learned there.

Tom:
Well, this is interesting because, again, what we’re trying to demonstrate here is how in these programs that have been spiritualized they actually come out of psychology.

And it really goes back to occultism, to Eastern mysticism, and so on. In a 12-Steps program, would it be AA, or some derivation of it within the church, you have not psychotherapists running these programs, but you have basically those who are in recovery. Now, as you said, I went through Celebrate Recovery, which is Rick Warren’s program that has influenced 4,500 churches around the world.

It’s part of Prison Fellowship, they have a contract with Chuck Colson’s Prison Fellowship. So this has been introduced into the church in a heavy way.

You have basically, psychobabble, psychological ideas and concepts now that are being taught, not by psychiatrists or psychotherapists, but those who are in recovery of some form or another, whether it be sexual addiction or alcohol or drug abuse, whatever it might be.

Dave:

Everybody is in recovery because you never recover.
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#6462 Oct 17, 2013
Right, and the terminology to thinking is all psychological ideas, psychological counseling. Sometimes they put in Jesus, and so on, but at best it’s a mixture. At worst it just destroys anybody’s belief in the sufficiency of God’s Word to solve their problems.

Dave:
Now, Tom, I’ve read some literature, I didn’t take the course like you did, but if I recall, a church that doesn’t have Celebrate Recovery, well then you should go to Alcoholics Anonymous, shouldn’t you?

Tom:
We were instructed to take that counsel as I was going through the program.

Dave:
And didn’t they begin with a quotation or statement acclimation?
Tom:

All the small meetings start with repeating the 12-Steps out of AA.

Dave:
Now Tom, I’m astonished, because I sent material to Rick. I love Rick, I believe he loves the Lord, but how could he get involved in this, and I tried to tell him where it came from, Bill Wilson of course. It was dictated to him from the demonic world.
Tom:
That’s why in this letter he talks about spiritual experience. He was into séances, he was into any way he could contact the spirit realm, but not the biblical world.

Dave:
But the man in charge of Celebrate Recovery—well, from which it spread from Rick’s church all over the world—he’s in recovery still and Tom, tell us how every testimony begins.

Tom:
Well, Dave, through the program it began by, as it happens in AA, you have to identify yourself as somebody who is going through or dealing with an addiction problem. So consequently, you acknowledge that you’re—you give your name and you say that I am going through this particular addiction to sex, or addiction to alcohol, or whatever it might be, but now it’s Christianized or at least you are dealing with this in the name of Jesus, and so on. Everybody who was instructing from this had to begin their introduction of themselves by saying that they are in this form of recovery.

Dave:
Tom, it reminds me of Larry Crabb. I met with Larry Crabb also. One of the strange things he says, he talks about everybody has been abused, everybody has something they’ve got to recover from. It’s the same idea. And he mentioned a young man who, No, he says, I haven’t been abused, I don’t have anything to recover from, and Larry Crabb says, Those are the really hard cases!

Tom:
Sure, because that’s why you have to announce what you’re going through because if you don’t you’re in denial, if you don’t lay it out front for everybody.

Dave:

Now this is real fundamentalism, real dogmatism, but it’s contrary to the Word of God.

Tom:
Dave, it’s psychobabble, it’s the concepts and ideas of the world that have been introduced into the church, and again, the heartbreak here is, first and foremost it undermines the sufficiency of the Word of God and transform a life.

Dave:

And of Christ. Where does Jesus Christ fit into this? Tom, just one quick question I would like to ask you. Where did the gospel come into this? In other words, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. We preach the gospel and people come to faith in Christ and their lives are transformed. What part did that play in Celebrate Recovery?

Tom:
Dave, the focus is on the procedure. The focus is on the steps. So, even for those in small groups, and they have meeting after meeting after meeting, there is no time for Bible study, there is no time for central issue of the gospel, that’s a sad situation.

Dave:
And it’s really taking over the church.
God dwells

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#6463 Oct 21, 2013
Do you long to live where God dwells?

Access has been made for us to abide in the Holy of Holies but we must follow the protocol of the glory to get there! You don’t have to live in the outer court distracted by the cares of life.

You can be free to live in the manifest presence of God.



The Protocol Of The Glory:
- Living in the Holy of Holies
- The Power Hidden in the Glory
- The Cloud of Glory
- Transfiguration Glory
BOOKSHOPs hurry up

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#6464 Oct 22, 2013
Why Every Community Needs a Christian Bookstore

By Don Nori

It is absolutely true. Every community, every neighborhood, needs a Christian bookstore. Operating such a bookstore is more than a business; it is a calling.

I am sure that many of you can come up with more than three reasons why every community needs a Christian bookstore, but I have identified three that stand out to me.

1.Christian bookstores are a continual witness to the community that God is alive and that He cares for His people. It is one thing to have several churches preaching the gospel in a town. But without diminishing the importance and the role of the Church, let me quickly say that having the gospel preached in the marketplace, in the midst of competing secular businesses in malls and shopping centers, is quite another thing altogether. Its power and impact cannot be overestimated.

A bookstore on a street corner or in a shopping center says loud and clear:“Christianity is here to stay and I am part of its permanence.” It is a declaration and a standard by which other stores and shoppers are challenged and influenced. It is a light that would not otherwise shine.

Just having the store there in the marketplace brings comfort and hope, especially for those who are wandering and wondering. It is a security that reminds folks that God is near and that He really does care.

2.Christian bookstores are a melting pot. Churches that are unfortunately separated by doctrines and tradition find common ground in the store. It is here that folks from different churches begin to talk and maybe even begin to like each other and trust each other.

It is here, in the Christian bookstore, that denominational walls crumble as we all rediscover the commonality of our faith: the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

Here folks begin to realize what is really important concerning the true love of the gospel, the Lord Jesus Himself. When the store extols Jesus Christ and lifts Him up as Lord, all men are drawn to Him, which automatically thaws them to one another.

3.Christian bookstores research and gather essential Christian literature and gift items and make them available where they would never otherwise be offered for sale. A store thus seeds the community with the Word. Whether it be through Bibles, books, tapes, plaques, t-shirts, or computer programs, Christian book stores make sure the neighborhood is adequately sup plied with the stuff of eternity.

Stores often play an important role in revival, for through the products it sells, it raises moral consciousness, convicts of sin, and stirs the heart to genuine repentance.

So the next time you drive by a Christian bookstore, remember what they offer the community and what its value is as a ministry to the searching and hurting. Also remember to pray for them—the owners and employees have a tough job, without much appreciation.

Finally, decide to do all your Christmas shopping and general gift buying there too. You will be doing more than just buying good, wholesome products; you’ll be helping to keep the light shining in your neighborhood
ministry of prophets

Pasir Gudang, Malaysia

#6465 Oct 22, 2013
Prophets Live in a Separate World

He who hears, let him hear; and he who refuses, let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house (Ezek 3:27).

In his superb commentary on Ezekiel, Daniel Block offers this summation of Ezekiel's initiation into the prophetic office in chs 1-3: Thus curtain falls on the final act in the call of Ezekiel. He has been initiated into his office. The roles of the various participants in the ensuing drama have been delineated, and the prophet is left completely isolated from his compatriots. The recorded oracles that follow will confirm this alienation.

-----Ezekiel is never seen out on the street or in the marketplace. No hint of the daily life of the exiles intrudes the prophecy. The prophet lives in a separate world. Others may drift in and out of that world, but they remain merely shadows, with little direct contact. The only recorded conversation between prophet and audience comes by the command of Yahweh in 24:18-24.

Accordingly the book of Ezekiel is a spiritual diary of a man's encounters with God. His experiences move the reader to weep for him - though he never weeps for himself.

- The Book of Ezekiel, vol. 1, p. 161.
It is sobering. Ezekiel did not weep for himself nor his wife (see 24:18); though there was more than enough for him to shed a tear. We recall not only the loneliness of other prophets - like Micah (see 7:1-2)- but that of our Savior, who would likewise utter these words of warning to a recalcitrant generation,
"He who has ears to hear..." (Matt 11:15).

The pathos of Ezekiel's call to prophetic ministry breathes of God's brilliant holiness, humanity's sinful sorrow, and unbelief's utter foolishness. And, for the prophet himself, the basically unenviable position of speaking the truth of God to a world that mocks it and its prophets. Anyone who stands to speak for the Creator will stand "in a separate world" alone.

Ministry - be it pastoral or otherwise - has actually little to do with other people, though people are the obvious arena. Ministry is successive encounters with God Himself. It is a commission to confront the shame of the world, without weeping for yourself.
Ministry is walking coram Deo - and only that - even as it is walking among others.

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