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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3844 Dec 3, 2012
For us to know by instinct, in one moment of time, what the Father speaks in us (without understanding what He is saying, and without having to get the whole message of what the Father wants to say first) is what we need to begin to open up our mouths and speak prophetically.
John 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know (We utter prophetically what we know instinctively in the Spirit in one moments time, and not as needing the acquisition of knowledge in the continuum of time), and testify ( but however can only bear testimony as with a prophetic vision) that we have seen (only when we see with discernment and understanding); and ye receive not our witness.
Simple prophecy does not require our understanding, but an instinctive knowing in our spirits of what the Father is doing. However, in order to bear witness, as in seeing and explaining a detailed prophetic vision (in a sequence of pictures or details), we need to see in the Spirit with discernment and not just as a simple glancing. Hearing the voice of the Spirit allows us to administer the kingdom step by step alongside the “continuum in time” of what we are hearing.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father, which hath sent me.

“Judging”, in the verse above is the administration of God’s kingdom in the Spirit.

Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3845 Dec 3, 2012
Romans 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion(Greek “corresponding to the word) of faith;(belonging to faith)
Prophecy is faith in one of its manifestation, this manifestation being in the “the word belonging to faith, or which is produced in the spirit as an expression of faith. Faith, which produces a rehma word, is the FAITH OF GOD working in us.

The rehma word is a translation of God’s faith into a medium that we can discern, minister externally, and understand. When we minister the rehma word we are ministering the faith that God Himself has.

Prophecy is God’s faith in the verbal expression of His rehma word. Therefore, prophecy is faith, and must be given by faith. Prophecy therefore does not require our understanding, but a simple instinctive knowing of the “corresponding word”(proportion of faith), which God by His faith, or God’s faith, produced in us. To the proportion that we hear or see the word is to the proportion that we prophesy.

Degrees of ministry in the Spirit
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
; Heard,
; Seen with discernment,
; Behold as a movie in a theater,

Felt, touched, and handled of the “Word of The Life” or the word which when ministered contains God’s “kind of life” and the operations of that life within it, to make the ministry operational.

1 King 22:10 And the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat the king of Judah sat each on his throne, having put on their robes, in a void place in the entrance of the gate of Samaria; and all the prophets prophesied before them.
Hitpael- the reflexive expresses the visible side or the action of the prophets

12 And all the prophets prophesied so, saying, Go up to Ramothgilead, and prosper: for the LORD shall deliver it into the king’s hand.

The passive tense is the giving of the oracle as the Lord brings it as the prophet is passive in his or her acting. Look at the next verse.
1Sam 3:21 And the LORD appeared again in Shiloh: for the LORD revealed himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the word of the LORD.

Hebrew: Yahweh uncovered or disclosed Himself to Samuel through His word. The word discloses the Lord to the world as it is faithfully spoken forth by the prophet. The apostle and the prophet uncover or disclose the hidden Lord Jesus dwelling in the form of mystery to the church. As He is disclosed, the church can then participate or fellowship in to what the Lord Jesus has purposed and called forth corporately and individually. The more revelation, the more participation into the Lord by the church, and by individual believers.
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3846 Dec 3, 2012


There is, throughout the Bible, a model which God has used to describe the Church's structure, processes, and history, without calling attention to the model, itself. The model is so pervasive throughout the Bible, that it is surprising that no one has previously called attention to it. The essence of the model is its seven-foldness.

For example, there are seven churches in the Book of Revelation which existed physically at the time of the prophet John's writing. But, his writing was for the end-time, the time in which we now find ourselves. So, those seven churches are to exist spiritually, in the present time. To say this is to apply two of Steve Meeks' principles for prophetic interpretation, which say that prophecies are fulfilled first in the natural and next in the spiritual and that the succeeding fulfillments expand in scope. Thus, the seven churches in Asia were a type of a spiritual reality for the end-time.

Another kind of example of the seven-fold model is Jesus' own description of His ministry, delivered in His home-town synagogue at Nazareth [Luke 4:18-19], at the time when He identified Himself as a prophet. He read the first six of a list of seven ministry items from Isaiah 61. Paraphrased, He said that He had come to 1) Herald liberty to those captive, 2) Comfort those who mourn, 3) Call out the Lord's acceptable timing, 4) Preach the dispatch of destitution, 5) Heal those whose hearts don't work right, and 6) Herald the restoration of vision to those who can't see. But, Jesus stopped reading, there. What He did not read in Isaiah 61:2 was 7) Call out the day of pay-back. That final element of Jesus' ministry is reserved for His coming appearance.

The two examples above showed Church structure and Church process. There are many more of both in the Bible. For instance, Hebrews 6:1-2 gives Christ's doctrinal principles for the Christian walk to maturity. Psalm-51 shows David's counterpart to that progression. The seven Jewish feasts, the seven Romans-12 gifts of grace, and many, many other "sevens" all fit the same basic pattern in structure, process, or sequence.

The pattern is that which God commissioned Ezekiel to carefully present to the people [Ezek. 43:10-12], the pattern for the spiritual Temple of God. The pattern is most generally stated as a sequence of 1) Faith, 2) Truth, 3) Spirit, 4) Power, 5) Ministry, 6) Doctrine, and 7) Perfection. That is, all the sevens of Church structure, process, and sequence partition nicely into the seven characterizations just listed. Observing together all the partitioned sevens then defines the seven listed characterizations, individually.

But, the Plan of the Temple is not what is to be covered, here. We have simply given this introduction to show how the seven prophetic ministries fit into the whole picture of God's structures, processes and sequences for the end-times. The Temple teaching is presented in a different venue.
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3847 Dec 3, 2012

1. THE PSALMIST/REFRESHER/RELIEVER (Faith Context). As the title suggests, the prototype for this ministry was the prophet David [2 Sam. 23:1-2]. All his life, David was a psalm-writer. But, his earliest ministry was playing his harp, to the relief of Saul. When David played, Saul was refreshed, spiritually [1 Sam.16:23]. This same word, "refreshed", was used by Paul to describe how Onesiphorus ministered to him in Rome and Ephesus [2 Tim. 1:16]. And, it was used by Peter to refer to the effect that the presence of Jesus will have in the coming times of restoration, spoken of by all the prophets [Acts 3:19-20]. It is literally a lifting up of the soul.

David dealt with the very foundations of the faith of his people. He built a new place of worship, into which God's presence moved, the Tabernacle of David [2 Sam. 6:17]. He changed forever the manner of the ministry of the priesthood to God [1 Chr. 15,16], instituting the "ordinance of David" [Ezr. 3:10]. The ordinance of David called for priestly praise, worship, and recording, directly before the ark of the presence of God. There was no mention of a separating curtain in David's Tabernacle.

By the time of Jesus, the Jewish Church had become corrupt, and there was again a curtain separating the priests from their God. This time, Jesus, the Son of David tore it, as a reminder of the forsaken ordinance of David [Mat. 27:51]. But, it was James, in Acts 15, who made the connection between simplified worship and David's Tabernacle. Bad Pharisaical teaching in the New Testament Church had placed a stumbling block in the way of the gentile believers. The issue was whether or not Christians had to accept Jewish circumcision, in order to be saved.

James, speaking by the Holy Ghost, quoted Amos 9:11, and said that the real issue should not be the formalities of the institutional church, but the basics of faith and worship, as in David's Tabernacle.(The first church works, so to speak.) This word was shared with those Gentiles new to the faith, in Antioch, by Judas Barsabas and Silas, who were prophets [Acts 15:28]. It was a great relief to those who were the first to be known as Christians. The Antioch Christians were spiritually relieved by the Judean prophets, Judas and Silas, just as previously their brothers in Judea had been physically relieved by those at Antioch [Acts 11:28-30]. Thus, the doors of Jesus' Church were thrown open. Salvation would be by grace, through faith, and not by works [Eph. 2:8-9].

This prophetic ministry is in the Faith Church, as typified by Ephesus. This is the church that hated the Nicolaitans, literally those who would overcome the laity. This ministry is to break through the legal, pharisaical formalities of the institutional church, to get back to the basics of praise, worship, and recording by the believer, in direct contact with God. In fact, it is for not doing the first works that this Church is criticized by Jesus. It must concentrate on leading the believer immediately into the presence of God. This is a ministry of prophetic relief, while building again the fallen tabernacle of David [Acts 15:16].
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3848 Dec 3, 2012
2. THE ENCOURAGER/COMFORTER (Truth Context). This use of the word, "encourager," is in the building up sense of [1 Ths. 5:11], which combines the meanings of beseeching, comforting, and consoling. The Greek is paraklesis, which means literally to call one alongside (for aid). It connects prophecy with comfort and truth in the sense of [Acts 15:32], describing the follow-up ministry of Judas Barsabas and Silas at Antioch, after they had come to the spiritual relief of the brethren there.

An Old Testament example of this ministry is Nathan, who encouraged David in his relationship with God [2 Sam.7] and later confronted David over his sin against God [2 Sam. 12]. Nathan first comforted David, but then brought him to the truth about himself. Nathan's very name describes his ministry. It is "giving, to bring forth." Psalm 51 sets forth the result of Nathan's ministry. That Psalm enumerates David's seven foundational steps toward edification, which match the sequence: faith, truth, spirit, power, ministry, doctrine, and perfection.

Another Old Testament example is Zechariah, who was raised up by God to encourage the Church which had just come out of seventy years of bondage in Babylon, and which was to rebuild the Temple. However, what Zechariah wrote then is also an encouragement now to the generation which is coming out of seventy years of bondage in "Babylon," and is to rebuild God's spiritual Temple. For, the book of Zechariah is essentially a roadmap to the New Testament book of Revelation.

In the New Testament the counterpart of Nathan encouraging David is Barnabas encouraging Paul [Acts 13:2]. This he did until it came time to encourage another, when Barnabas teamed with John Mark, his nephew, who was vacillating and needed reassurance. As soon as Barnabas left with Mark, the prophet Silas stepped into the role vacated by Barnabas. Silas, who had come to Antioch on a matter of relief dealing with basic faith, now moved into the role of supporter, traveling companion, and encourager of Paul. At the corporate level, this ministry is to edify or build up an entire church, as a unified body. Together, Barnabas and Paul strengthened the souls of the disciples at Antioch. Judas and Silas also performed this ministry to the brethren
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3849 Dec 3, 2012
This prophetic ministry is in the Truth Church, typified by Pergamos, the church of faithful witness. But, even here the lie of the Nicolaitans has taken hold, and stumbling-blocks are cast before the laity. This ministry is to prophetically build up and strengthen individuals, even leaders, in what the truth really is. This is the "jump-starting" ministry. It is like the recoverable boosters for a Shuttle launch vehicle. It is to get a servant of God up and running. It is also to build up and strengthen the brethren as corporate bodies, even entire churches.

3. THE EXHORTER/ANNOUNCER (Spirit Context). This is not the same kind of exhortation as for the previous, in the sense of comfort-giving. The word, "exhort," is not used in the Old Testament, and its New Testament use uniformly means comfort-giving. The nearest meaning to the present use is one who carries and gives a verbal message or "signal." This is a prophetic announcer, in the sense of "… show you plainly …" [John 16:25].

The Old Testament prototype of this prophetic ministry is Samuel. His name means "to hear attentively, to show forth." His characteristics were those of being straight-forward, obedient, and directly to the point. When Samuel showed up on an errand for the Lord, the elders trembled [1 Sam. 16:4]. Samuel heard from the Lord and did what he heard. He was a "real-time" prophet. That is, he continually heard from the Lord during the performance of the Lord's task. Elijah was also an exhorter, like Samuel. Samuel laid on hands, anointed with oil, and the Holy Spirit filled the recipient thereof [1 Sam. 16:13]. The exhorter is sent by God to a specific place at a specific time to speak the Word of God and show forth what the Lord is about to do.

The prophet, John the Baptist, was an exhorter. He called the people to repentance, to prepare the way of the Lord. He was very plain-spoken. Another New Testament exhorter was the prophet Agabus. He first was sent to warn the people that a drought was at hand [Acts 11:28]. These exhorters are like football quarter-backs. They are signal callers. They call out signals for plays sent into the game by the Coach. The word, "signal," used in [Acts 11:28] is "semaino," from which we get the English word, "semaphore."

This prophetic ministry is in the Spirit Church, typified by Smyrna, which name means the oil of anointing. This is a church troubled by tribulation and blasphemy and false witness. It looks like it's going down to death, but its path is to life. This ministry is to prophetically exhort the saints to hear God for themselves by faith, and to receive the Holy Spirit. That is, the ministry is to lead the saints to spirituality, the things of the Spirit, such as prophecy and the anointing. It is also to bear the warnings of God.
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3850 Dec 3, 2012
4. THE WATCHMAN/INTERCESSOR (Power Context). A watchman is someone who watches over something, in the sense of guarding it. He both guards and speaks. The characteristics and context of the end-times prophetic Watchman are best seen in the Old Testament. There, we see that the Watchman is associated with such end-times concepts as The Fall of Babylon, travailing like women in birth, the threshing floor [Isa. 21], and the day of visitation on the Church [Mic. 7:4]. Ezekiel, who brings us the detailed description of God's spiritual Temple, was set by God as a Watchman, bringing His warning to both the wicked and the righteous. That is, a watchman deals with both the unsaved and the saved. Habakkuk was such a watchman. He guarded and spoke God's end-times vision for the Church [Hab. 2:1-3]. Paul quoted him, in speaking God's vision to both the Church and to the unbelievers in Antioch [Acts 13:13-49].

The prophet, Habakkuk, operated as both watchman and intercessor. His ministry as watchman was to the Church. His ministry as intercessor was to God. Concerning the end-times, Habakkuk interceded with God, that in His wrath He would remember mercy [Hab. 3:2].

The New Testament example of this ministry was Ananias, whom Jesus sent to restore Paul's sight in Damascus [Acts 9:10-18]. Jesus gave Ananias a vision of Paul's ministry. Ananias relayed this vision to Paul, and laid hands on him so that his physical vision might be miraculously restored and he might be filled with the Holy Ghost. Miraculous signs, laying on of hands, and filling with the Holy Ghost are the marks of this prophetic ministry. The watchman/intercessor bears the Lord's current vision for the Church and delivers it. And, the speaking of the vision is authenticated by power-miracles and signs.

This prophetic ministry is in the Power Church, typified by Thyatira, a church of increasing works. But this church tolerates the false prophetess, Jezebel, that manipulator of the leadership. This ministry is to prophetically speak God's vision for the Church to the saved and unsaved alike and to demonstrate God's miraculous power that attends such prophetic preaching and intercession. It is also to watch over both the vision and the Church.
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3851 Dec 3, 2012
5. THE COUNSELOR/DELIVERANCE MINISTER (Ministry Context). If you have heard the descriptor, "a Pastor's Pastor," that is what this prophetic ministry is. The Old Testament prototype for this prophetic minister is Elihu, Job's counselor [Job 33]. He was Spirit-filled and prophetic at Job's request [Job 33:6]. That is, he was counseling, prophetically, upon request. He dealt in the understanding of relationships. He led Job to the understanding of the relationship between God and Job. He told Job exactly how God works with man. He explained about God's power and authority and man's insufficiency and need to trust God. Elihu spoke not just to Job, but to all "wise men" [Job 34:2]. He explained to them the precise methods by which God operates with man. And, all the while, Elihu was speaking by the Spirit. It's five chapters worth. And five is God's ministry number. The key to this prophetic ministry is in [Job 33].

In chapter 33, Elihu explained to Job five times that it was his soul that was being dealt with. Elihu was bringing deliverance for Job's soul. He was showing Job the way for his soul to go from death to life. And, it was Jesus, the ultimate counselor, the way, the truth, and the life [John 14:6], who said that knowledge of Him would remove the burdens of the soul [Mat. 11:28-29]. What He said was that He would "rest up" the soul. And, it would be through a relationship. And, this word, "rest up," is the same one Paul used, referring to the spiritual refreshing he got from Philemon and from Stephanas, Fortunatus, and Achaicus [1 Cor. 16:17], who are New Testament examples.

In [Gal. 6:1-2], Paul exhorted those who are "spiritual" to repair those believers who are overtaken in a fault. The spiritual are to bear one another's burdens so as to fulfill the prescriptions of Christ. For, in Christ, we may give rest to the souls of the burdened. The elders who were called in [James 5] also functioned in this ministry.

This prophetic ministry is in the Ministry Church, typified by Sardis, a church of incomplete works, where many wear defiled garments. This church needs to strengthen those things which are sick and dying. The ministry is to counsel the people prophetically, through the counselor's relationship with The Counselor. It is done on request of those seeking rest for their souls. It is to prophetically lead them to see the relationship between themselves and God. It is to first deliver and then rest their souls. And it is to be done as a service.
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3852 Dec 3, 2012
6. THE SEER IN THE WORDS OF GOD (to lift up the horn).(Doctrine Context). The Old Testament prototype for this minister was Heman [1 Chr. 25:5]. He was David's Seer in the words of God. He was also a musician, a player of cymbals, who was among the number chosen by name to usher the Ark of God into its new place in the Tabernacle of David [1 Chr. 15:17]. There, he ministered both as a musician and as a giver of thanks to the Lord for His perpetual mercy. Outside the Tabernacle, he was David's Seer in the words of God, to lift up the horn. This latter description has within it two main ideas.

The (Septuagint) Greek for "Seer in the words of God" is quite hard to render into English. Literally, this word "seer" comprises three Greek words describing one who knocks (as on a door) upward to a king. Then there are three more Greek words which mean "in the words of God." Connected to this first idea by a comma are two more Greek words meaning, "lifting up a horn." Lifting up (exalting) a single horn is most easily connected with the horn of anointing oil [Psa. 92:10]. From the corresponding Hebrew, Heman, as a seer, envisioned in the words of God. That is, the words of God were substantively visual to him. And, his envisioning had to do with lifting up a horn of anointing or salvation. It is Jesus, the Anointed One from the house of David, who is our horn of salvation [Luke 1:69].

In the New Testament, there is a Greek word which manages to capture this kind of envisioning. It means, literally, a mental putting together, an understanding. Paul said that God gave him such understanding of the mystery of Christ by revelation [Eph. 3:2-5]. He said that this kind of understanding is given to prophets and apostles by the Holy Spirit.

The New Testament shows a group of such ministers, including Simon, Lucius, and Manaen, lifting up the horn to anoint Paul and Barnabas for service, by order of the Holy Spirit [Acts 13:1-3]. They are prophets and teachers. They are ministers to God in the same way as Heman in David's Tabernacle. And, the Holy Spirit speaks to them during such ministry.

The Seers in the words of God work in the Doctrinal Church, typified by Laodicea. That church is the one blinded by pride in its own knowledge, thinking it has it all, not knowing it has nothing. These prophetic ministers work at the highest governing level, formulating operational instructions [2 Chr. 29:25]. The level of these instructions even go down to the words of the praise songs [2 Chr. 29:30]. That is, these seers write instructions (even books) about how to do things in worship and in ministering to the Lord. These seers are teachers, but at the corporate level. Because they deal with how God wants things done, they deal in what the New Testament calls doctrine. Seers in the words of God are promulgators of corporate-level doctrine. In the end-times warfare context, these seers are like the discerning children of Issachar, who could see what the Church ought to do [1 Chr. 12:32].
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3853 Dec 3, 2012
7. THE JUDGE/INTERPRETER (Perfection or Completion Context). The Old Testament prototype of this final prophetic ministry is Daniel (God is Judge). His characteristics were those of being able to judge things that combined both the physical and the spiritual. His judgment of the physical was on a spiritual basis. Even unbelievers were able to attribute his apparent understanding and wisdom to an indwelling holy God [Dan. 5:11]. He interpreted spiritually even the most mysterious physical happenings [Dan. 5:26-28], discerning God's will. And, his judgments in the physical were of the utmost seriousness and effect [Dan. 5:30].

This ministry combines prophecy with spiritual wisdom, spiritual judgment, and knowledge of the will of God. Notice that we are not talking about those who are wise in the wisdom of this physical world. We are talking about spiritual men (genre, not gender), who operate in the prophetic, to the making of judgments in the Church. We are talking about those who speak wisdom among the mature [1 Cor. 2:6]. And, these judgments are of several sorts. First is making comparisons of spiritual things [1 Cor. 2:13]. Then, there is the sizing up of things, through spiritual discernment [1 Cor. 2:14]. A spiritual man makes these kinds of judgments, but is not subject to the absolute judgment of any man [1 Cor. 2:15]. We are to absolutely judge not the man, but what the man says [1 Cor. 14:37],[1 Cor. 10:15] among the mature.

Such prophetic wisdom comes as a supernatural gift [1 Cor. 12:8]. It is to be applied in meekness [Gal. 6:1],[Jas. 3:13], which is a quality of the mature. Those who operate in this way are referred to as "fathers." And, Paul says that there are not many of them [1 Cor. 4:15]. They are men who understand the will of God and who buy back the time lost to evil days [Eph. 5:17].

The shining example of such a person in the New Testament is Stephen, the deacon [Acts 6:8-7:60]. He it was who showed forth such dynamic power and wonders and miracles that he drew the attention of the Jewish church hierarchy. They were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spoke (wisdom - an attribute of the Holy Spirit [Ex. 31:3]), so they brought a false accusation against him. In reply, he taught the institutional church leaders so magnificently that they were cut to the heart. So they killed him. But, even as he was dying, he saw the glory of God and testified that fact to his killers. And, in mercy, he prayed that this sin might not be laid to his killers' charge for judgment.

This prophetic ministry is in the Perfection Church, typified by Philadelphia. It is the Church for which Jesus opens the door. The prophetic ministry here is to apply spiritual wisdom given by the Holy Spirit to the judgments needed in governing the mature church. It is a ministry for those who know the will of God, "To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heaven might be known, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God." [Eph. 3:10] And, this spiritual judgment is to be tempered with mercy. Because those who show no mercy in judgment shall be subject to judgment [Jas. 2:13]. It was Jesus who rebuked the Pharisees [Mat.12:7], the "fathers" of the institutional church, about not knowing what mercy meant in the context of judging. He was quoting [Hos. 6:6], God's rebuke against Israel's legalistic hypocrisy.
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#3854 Dec 3, 2012

Restoration of the Prophetic Ministries. In looking back over the seven prophetic ministries, it is apparent that we have already seen the first five of them manifested in the Church. The Psalmist we have seen, such as Dudley Hall, cutting prophetically through the trappings of the institutional church, to get back to the fundamentals of faith and worship. Encouragers, we have seen, with Neil Anderson's dealing with the truth being a good example. Prophetic Exhorters we have seen, from itinerant prophets such as Cindy Jacobs to Internet ministries. Watchmen/Intercessors we have seen, such as Rees Howells. Peter Wagner has documented that ministry for today. The prophetic Counselor we have seen, in ministers such as Neil Anderson, getting down to the hands-on fundamentals of relationships. But, Judges we have not yet seen. And, Seers in the words of God, we are only just now beginning to see.

It would appear that the seven ministries of the prophet are being restored to match God's modern historical restoration of the Church. That is, God has restored the churches of Faith, Truth, Spirit, Power, and Ministry. So, the prophetic ministries in those churches have also been restored. God is now restoring the church of Doctrine in His sixth move, and the corresponding sixth prophetic ministry is now also being restored. We can expect the Judge to be restored at about the time of the seventh, final move of God's restoration. In fact, it is the prophetic ministries of the Seer in the Word of God and of the Judge that we see operating in Revelation 11 in the hands of the "Two Prophets." They shall be the final witnesses and martyrs in the time of the Great Tribulation.

The Unknown Prophets. In the above exposition of the seven prophetic ministries, the New Testament examples of such ministers were relative unknowns. That is, the prophets were not apostles, but were lesser figures, some of whom functioned as deacons or teachers. The names of some were not even given. This relative anonymity of the prophets is in line with prophecies that are now being heard in the Church, with respect to the current (sixth) move of God. It is now being prophesied that the prophets of the end-times moves will be anonymous. They will not be widely known, outside of prophetic circles. There is Bible support for this view. But, that is another story.
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3855 Dec 3, 2012
----------In fact, it is the prophetic ministries of the Seer in the Word of God and of the Judge that we see operating in Revelation 11 in the hands of the "Two Prophets." They shall be the final witnesses and martyrs in the time of the Great Tribulation.---------
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#3856 Dec 3, 2012
The Prophetic is Essential

** The church cannot survive and grow to maturity without the prophetic and the prophetic ministry. It is not an optional extra. The Bible is clear about the
importance of prophecy.**

** Christianity is prophetic through and through. When the prophets are silent and the word of God is in short supply, the church withers and dies. If there are prophets today, their hands are tied and their mouths gagged by the clumsy democratic processes of church institutions. Prophecy is seldom heard within this establishment. For prophecy comes by the spirit of God and not by consensus or debate.**
-(Michael Harper).

** A successful church will be one that appreciates the prophetic and is a place where prophets can develop in their ministry.**
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3857 Dec 3, 2012
Prophets can be uncomfortable people to have around. They can often be hard to take. We must avoid taking offence at their style and manner and missing what God
is doing through them.

The prophet discerns the state of the human heart. The prophetic insight exposes things that are hidden (1 Cor 14:25). Prophets are never popular people. They are
not comfortable to have around, if there is a prophet around we will be aware of our sins in a new way.-
(Tom Marshall- The Coming of the Prophets).

No Bible prophet ever had the same delivery or style, from David to John the Beloved. But you must learn to receive from them and most of all love them. Or you may watch them being led down a road of destruction that will lead too much confusion and defeat for the kingdom. This has already happened! And many are wounded and
dying because of this very thing (Kris Couchey - Bitter Prophets).

Prophetic people create tension. When God intervenes into our orderly, calm lives, this creates a tension. We need to know how to deal with that and how to fellowship it through. Otherwise prophetic ministry can be an open door for the demonic to enter our churches. Unfortunately, it is all too easy to dismiss the prophecy and cast the prophet in the role of troublemaker.-(Graham Cooke - Developing Your
Prophetic Gifting p.96).
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3858 Dec 3, 2012
The prophet is violated during his ministry, but he is vindicated by history.
-(Leonard Ravenhill - Picture of a Prophet).

Vision was like a flame with the prophets. You have to recognise that about them, at any rate - that these men were flames of fire. There was nothing neutral about them; they were aggressive, never passive. Vision has that effect. If you have really seen what the Lord is after, you cannot be half-hearted. You cannot be passive if you see. Find the person who has seen, and you find a positive life.
-(T. Austin-Sparks - Prophetic Ministry).

The New Testament teaches a positive approach to prophecy.

Do not put out the Spirit’s fire. Do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil- 1 Thessalonians 3:19-20

Christians must be careful not to quench the spirit of prophecy. The words of all prophets should be weighed carefully. The Scriptures give clear guidelines for
testing prophecies. Anything that is good should be received; the rest should be discarded.
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Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3859 Dec 3, 2012
Every church needs both prophets and pastor-teachers. The two ministries are complementary, but they have not always fitted together well. Pastors tend to be warm loving people. This is the strength of their ministry, but it means that they can sometimes find it hard to confront evil. They love to see people grow and to see the church united, so they can be tempted to compromise for the sake of peace and unity.

prophet would act as a balance to this tendency. Prophets tend to see things in black and white. They have a zeal for holiness and truth. Their main concern is to see the church functioning according to the Word of God, but their zeal for purity and truth can make them appear to be hard and harsh. The pastors will temper their strictness and zeal with love and grace. And whereas pastors tend to concentrate on the present, the prophets can give vision for the future.

Prophets have a way of ploughing up the ground and causing disturbance. Sometimes this is sorely needed. I know many pastors who, when encountering hard ground, simply lay a patio and cover everything up! Prophecy is attacking, stimulating and provoking by definition. Pastoring is about restoring calm and
order. Prophets challenge, pastors soothe.-(Graham Cooke – Developing Your Prophetic Gifting).

This explains why there is such a shortage of prophets in the church. Most modern churches are controlled by pastors and the bluntness of the prophet does not sit
easily with them. If the pastor is insecure, he can be hurt by the prophet’s words.
prophetic church

Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3860 Dec 3, 2012
The church needs pastors and prophets to fully represent Christ. It must exhibit both the love and the holiness of God. Love without holiness is compromise. Holiness without love is harshness. If both ministries are present in a Church then holiness and love will both be evident. The Church will then be a true reflection of the character of God.

A prophet’s perspective is radically different from that of the pastor. He hears from God and quite mercilessly questions everything, including the pastor, from God’s perspective. That, however, is his healthy and God-given duty. For that reason, there is also a historical tension between the pastor and the prophet: one is the defender of the status quo who wants to maintain the community; the other questions everything and is seen (rightly) by many others as a threat, because he disrupts things and wants ‘movement now’-(Wolfgang Simson - Houses That Changed the World, p.114).

Pastors and prophets have very different perspectives on the church.Prophets usually have a very keen sense of being answerable to God. Pastors have that sense to, but they are also very aware of being answerable to people. A pastor probably feels both concerns different from the typical pastor figures.-(Mike Bickle – How Pastors Relate to Prophets).

Pastors are often sensitive to things happening beyond what is of the Holy Spirit. They would rather be safe by cutting things off a little before getting in the danger zone. Their boundaries tend to be on the conservative side. On the other hand, prophets tend to be boundary stretchers. They are almost always willing to go a little bit farther than the danger zone to make sure that we do everything that might be of the Lord. Notice that both prophets and pastors have the same motivation. They are afraid of missing God. But they are each proceeding from different point s of view -(Mike Bickle – How Pastors Relate to Prophets).

Because of the gift of revelation a prophet may have the tendency to see things very black and white, whereas a pastor, with mercy and wisdom will often see things in shades of grey. The prophet many time may view the pastor as compromising and people pleasing, while the pastor may see the prophet as unwise and unyielding. These differences in perception can become a deficit in their working relationships, if not understood as strengths that God has given to aid one another in being more effective in ministry. Otherwise the prophet will always try to straighten out the pastor and the pastor will always strive to balance out the prophet, when more often their differences, when appreciated, are actually their strengths.
-(Tom Hamon – The Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation).

Both pastors and prophets must understand that they need each other.
prophetic church

Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3861 Dec 3, 2012
The modern church is dominated by pastors. The prophetic ministry can only be restored to the church, if pastors allow it. I believe that many pastors have (sometimes unwittingly) obstructed the restoration of the prophetic ministry in the church. This has prevented God from doing all that he wants to do. Sometimes pastors are hostile or fearful of the prophetic due to bad experiences, but this is not an excuse for robbing their people of what the prophetic ministry can bring to their church. This is stated clearly by Tom Hamon (a pastor, not a prophet).

There are many reasons for an attitude of indifference or even antagonism toward prophetic ministry by pastors. Some reasons have to do with ignorance… or with perceived abuse of those who have called themselves prophets within the body. However, I do not believe these are valid excuses today. Never in Scripture does God sanction forbidding the pure and good because there have been bad representations (Tom Hamon – The Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation).

While some prophets have hurt people, the reality is that controlling pastors and inadequate pastoring have done far more damage to far more Christians. In numerous situations, a whole church has fallen when their pastor has lost the plot. Pastors have far more power over people’s lives than prophets. A pastor who gets lost can do far more damage than an over-zealous prophet. Where prophets have become unruly or controlling, the reason is usually inadequate or insecure leadership. Moreover, mature pastors have no reason to fear the prophetic. A wise and God-fearing pastor, who is loved by his flock, can never be overcome or pushed aside by a prophet. Despite these facts, the bar of acceptance is set much higher for prophets.

The questions is, why do we accept every other gift and calling among men with great failure and weakness? And yet, the ministry of the prophet who speaks hard truth is discounted with every excuse in the book! Not only is the Word given rejected, but the prophet in particular is personally rejected. This is the great test of a prophet of high calling. I am not talking about people who prophesy. I am talking about people who have been called to the office of a prophet, which are rarer then we would like to think. The burden of words that "leadership" and "friends" will not accept can be a great one if not received and released in great brokenness. The grace to walk such a narrow path is only given to the humble, who are willing to be broken and considered radicals, renegades, and rebels. The danger for this person is becoming like Elijah in an isolation that sees himself alone as having the truth. The answer is the cross of Jesus Christ that allows no man to glory in self or the "gifts" and "callings" God has given (Kris Couchey - Bitter Prophets).
Glory to God

Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3862 Dec 3, 2012
Philippians 1 : 6

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1
8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.

9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

Seri Kembangan, Malaysia

#3863 Dec 4, 2012

I believe that the numerous wineskins of ministry models and structures are already starting to clash like never before.

The truth is that if the church continues on the way it has then the church will “never” fulfill her destiny in God.

I love pastors and I respect them in their gift but they cannot be expected to where the hat of the entire five-fold ministry.

I’m going to make a very bold statement but I think many of you will agree. Churches run by pastors will never fulfill the high and lofty mandate of the church.

You see, the five-fold ministry are gifts given directly from Jesus Christ to the church. When Jesus walked the earth he was all of them in one. He was the Apostle, the Prophet, the Evangelist, the Pastor and Teacher. After raising from the dead, Jesus basically took the mantle upon his life and divided it in five pieces and gave it to certain people within the body of Christ.

No one person can fulfill all of these ministry gifts. The five-fold ministry, according to Ephesians 4:11, are called to equip the saints for the work of ministry. Five-fold ministry are called to under-gird, raise up, and release the saints to do the work of establishing and expanding the kingdom of God on this earth as the Body of Jesus.

One ministry gift can never be expected to do all of this. The church has become accustomed to churches run by pastors and the clash of wineskins comes when God releases all of the five-fold to function as a team in raising up an army of warriors to advance the kingdom.

Expect this truth and transition to cause much chaos and division in the church, but remember that God always establishes his government in order to bring order in the midst of chaos.

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