Should the US have universal healthcare?

[daking]

The Chelmsford Flash wrote:

<quoted text>
Daking, research four things:
1. Income taxes paid by percentage.
2. Capital gains taxes paid by percentage.
3. Then explain the difference between the two and why?
4. Comment no further on this subject until you can do so.

Did you read the article wher Buffet talked about taxes. 17% compared to 30%.
I know what capital gains tax is.
I don't think I have to research further to comment and share my opinion. But thanks for the advice.

[daking]

And the fourth thing is not a reasearch item.

[Cheech the Conservative]

Why should I spend one F---ing cent on someone else?If they can't afford it,they should get a better job.If they are to goddam lazy,then if they croak,I do not give a shit.And it is none of your business.Just to be fair,a question.Why do you care?Appearently you like your Canadian system.Some do,some do not.What do you care what the USA does?

KenGuy wrote:

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So, if you look at your pay stub and it says total income =$2, 000
total taxes taken off =$1, 000+? off of each pay check? so if you're making 2k a month, only 1k is deposited into your bank account? Stop with the bullshitting.
I didn't say 100, 000 a year. Americans would rather save, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on there ownselves for medical procedures, then spend a small % of there income for the entire country.
$4,000 a year? How fucking rediculously expensive.
What if you can't afford health insurance, and the time comes you need to pay over $100, 000 in medical costs? What if your declinded because you're "too thin" or "too overweight"?
Luckily, you were insured, and you weren't declined. But, that's you. What about others who are declined every day, or need emergency services every day and are not insured? THEY DIE.
With UHC, if you're a citizen of the country you will not be declined a life-saving procedure.
With private health insurance money-grubbing cock suckers, you risk being declined. Then you will most probably lose your life, end of story. Go America, LAND OF THE FREE.

[KenGuy]

Cheech the Conservative wrote:

Why should I spend one F---ing cent on someone else?If they can't afford it,they should get a better job.If they are to goddam lazy,then if they croak,I do not give a shit.And it is none of your business.Just to be fair,a question.Why do you care?Appearently you like your Canadian system.Some do,some do not.What do you care what the USA does?<quoted text>

I care because I believe in human rights, and those who can't afford health insurance do not deserve to die for it. I really hope you never get a government job, or someone whos lives rest in your hands. Honestly, YOU sound like an American Hitler.

[KenGuy]

The Chelmsford Flash wrote:

Swish... swish... swish...
GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAL!!!!!!
Like playing checkers with a ten year old!
How old are you Ken?
1. We are ahead in technology simply because:
WE ARE AHEAD!!!
Get it dipsh*t?
How come you folks from Cana-DUUUUUH are not ahead of the U.S.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL?
Your kuuuuntry is much older than ours, so much more time to advance well beyond our primitive existence!
ARE YOU REALLY THIS F**KIN' STUPID?
2.Yeah, and the Royal Canadian Army is such a global power.
ALL TOGETHER NOW, LMFAO!
3. You got it half right yet again, liberals care about, ONLY themselves as we the PRODUCTIVE pay for their pathetic lives in this country.
4. You backed into the truth YET again and have no clue, only in America could you die from being a:
FAT F**K...
and blame your neighbor for it!
What else you got hockeypuck?

"We are ahead in technology simply because we are ahead". You're the one who sounds like a child, if you knew ANYTHING about history, other then American history, you would know why America is ahead in technology.

Canadians in general are no where near as greedy as Americans. Your healthcare system, your government, and everyone in the USA has 1 goal: TO MAKE MONEY.

Where in Canada, making lots of money is nice, but our government knows 1 thing: we put our health before profit. Where as the majority of Americans will put profit before anything. America's middle name is greed.

"canaduhh" and "kuntryy"

Who is the 10 year old now?

I can tell you right now, most of America has your self-centred attitude towards other peoples well-being, and those who died in the war I can also tell you, did NOT die for ignorant little shits like you.

[Just for the Record]

KenGuy wrote:

<quoted text>
So, if you look at your pay stub and it says total income =$2, 000
total taxes taken off =$1, 000+? off of each pay check? so if you're making 2k a month, only 1k is deposited into your bank account? Stop with the bullshitting.
I didn't say 100, 000 a year. Americans would rather save, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on there ownselves for medical procedures, then spend a small % of there income for the entire country.
$4,000 a year? How fucking rediculously expensive.
What if you can't afford health insurance, and the time comes you need to pay over $100, 000 in medical costs? What if your declinded because you're "too thin" or "too overweight"?
Luckily, you were insured, and you weren't declined. But, that's you. What about others who are declined every day, or need emergency services every day and are not insured? THEY DIE.
With UHC, if you're a citizen of the country you will not be declined a life-saving procedure.
With private health insurance money-grubbing cock suckers, you risk being declined. Then you will most probably lose your life, end of story. Go America, LAND OF THE FREE.

Listen moron, as I mentioned there are other taxes besides income taxes we pay in America. I listed a majority of them. In addition, paystubs only show withholdings not actual tax liablities. So it could be more or less.

If I had the energy I would correct your misconceptions. Unfortunatly, I am not able to do so due to the surgery I had done.

I have added up many a person actual tax they pay and the result is depressing.

In addition, WI has a socailist health care program for the welfare and unskilled. One state and not all citizens of this state. The program ran $600 million dollars short in the first two months. This is after cigarette tax was increased 133%, yes a 133%, to help pay for this program. To cover the short fall they raised fees and raided the patient compensation fund. In addition, they want use who pay for our health care to pay a tax on the health care cost to cover this socalist program.

Now that said, we are already seeing a shortage of nurses, doctors, etc in the state due to this failing helath programs,as the state refuses to reimburse doctors, etc more than $0.20 of a $1.00 of cost.

It's not BS, I work with these numbers ever day. Day in and day out. Which you would know if you had gone back past the end of April postings.

So stop talking out of your a$$ about something you know nothing about.

And nobody but nobody is ever refused health care in WI. Do a little research next time, before talking out you A-hole.

[KenGuy]

Just for the Record wrote:

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Listen moron, as I mentioned there are other taxes besides income taxes we pay in America. I listed a majority of them. In addition, paystubs only show withholdings not actual tax liablities. So it could be more or less.
If I had the energy I would correct your misconceptions. Unfortunatly, I am not able to do so due to the surgery I had done.
I have added up many a person actual tax they pay and the result is depressing.
In addition, WI has a socailist health care program for the welfare and unskilled. One state and not all citizens of this state. The program ran $600 million dollars short in the first two months. This is after cigarette tax was increased 133%, yes a 133%, to help pay for this program. To cover the short fall they raised fees and raided the patient compensation fund. In addition, they want use who pay for our health care to pay a tax on the health care cost to cover this socalist program.
Now that said, we are already seeing a shortage of nurses, doctors, etc in the state due to this failing helath programs,as the state refuses to reimburse doctors, etc more than $0.20 of a $1.00 of cost.
It's not BS, I work with these numbers ever day. Day in and day out. Which you would know if you had gone back past the end of April postings.
So stop talking out of your a$$ about something you know nothing about.
And nobody but nobody is ever refused health care in WI. Do a little research next time, before talking out you A-hole.

WI shouldn't have to deal with this itself. The country America should deal with it, for ALL states, not just one. I'm talking UHC in ALL of America, not just WI.

What if you're not in WI, you don't have health insurance, and your medical costs are thousands of dollars more then you could ever afford?

How many people in America everyday are declined life-saving procedures because they can't afford it?

Call me an a-hole, that's fine. You're American.

Can't afford health insurance in America?$60, 000 to have a mans index finger surgically re-attached, you tell me which average person can afford that without health insurance. Guess what? THEY CAN'T.

So what happens? You live the rest of your life with no finger.

I can tell you right now, in my current standing I would not be able to afford living in America with your rediculous taxes, and your rediculous health care system. You guys are ranked like #60 in the entire world.

The most advanced country in the world is at the bottom of the list with healthcare. Call me every name in the book, my simple a very logical comeback is; You're American.

[Cheech the Conservative]

I HAD a Gov't job,for a while.You little shitheel.Welfare fraud investigator.I checked out the filth who were getting gov't checks.What did I find?Crack whores,junkies,neglected kids,filthy houses,booze,pot.Every time I cancelled someones ticket,my lib supervisor reversed my decision.9 mos was all I could stand.Now where,in our constitution,is healthcare a "right"?Go peddle your lib nonesense elsewhere,you goddam commie.

KenGuy wrote:

<quoted text>
I care because I believe in human rights, and those who can't afford health insurance do not deserve to die for it. I really hope you never get a government job, or someone whos lives rest in your hands. Honestly, YOU sound like an American Hitler.

[KenGuy]

Cheech the Conservative wrote:

I HAD a Gov't job,for a while.You little shitheel.Welfare fraud investigator.I checked out the filth who were getting gov't checks.What did I find?Crack whores,junkies,neglected kids,filthy houses,booze,pot.Every time I cancelled someones ticket,my lib supervisor reversed my decision.9 mos was all I could stand.Now where,in our constitution,is healthcare a "right"?Go peddle your lib nonesense elsewhere,you goddam commie.<quoted text>

You're one hell of a sad American, I hope you NEVER get to make a political decision. People like you should be banned from voting and making decisions.

[Cheech the Conservative]

This guy is another canadian shitbag.I had to go to 'nam while all of our cowards ran to canada to breed with the natives.The result?A race of pusillanimous cowards.

The Chelmsford Flash wrote:

<quoted text>
Swish... swish... swish...
GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAL!!!!!!
Like playing checkers with a ten year old!
How old are you Ken?
1. We are ahead in technology simply because:
WE ARE AHEAD!!!
Get it dipsh*t?
How come you folks from Cana-DUUUUUH are not ahead of the U.S.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL?
Your kuuuuntry is much older than ours, so much more time to advance well beyond our primitive existence!
ARE YOU REALLY THIS F**KIN' STUPID?
2.Yeah, and the Royal Canadian Army is such a global power.
ALL TOGETHER NOW, LMFAO!
3. You got it half right yet again, liberals care about, ONLY themselves as we the PRODUCTIVE pay for their pathetic lives in this country.
4. You backed into the truth YET again and have no clue, only in America could you die from being a:
FAT F**K...
and blame your neighbor for it!
What else you got hockeypuck?

[KenGuy]

Thank god i'm not American, or i'd be as blind and ignorant as you.

Don't act like you have the ability to fight in a war, someone with an intelligence level as low as yours, i'm surprised you're able to write, although your posts are some what difficult to read and understand, which obviously shows how small minded you are.

Sounds as if you were hit in the head one too many times, perhaps another reason why you don't have a single clue what you're talking about. In movies you see Americans with the motto "Never leave a man behind", but we all know the truth how it is with you, and every other american in society, the real motto is: "every man for themselves."

That's what you prove by voting no to UHC u shit stain.

[takion1]

Just for the Record wrote:

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Those types of jobs were never meant to support or raise a family on.

Most jobs created these days are service industry jobs.
Where else are you supposed to work, if you can't afford to go to college, and there are no other jobs to get?

[No_oil_4_u]

KenGuy wrote:

<quoted text>
I care because I believe in human rights, and those who can't afford health insurance do not deserve to die for it. I really hope you never get a government job, or someone whos lives rest in your hands. Honestly, YOU sound like an American Hitler.

You sound like the textbook definition of a liberal facist. Case dismissed!

[KenGuy]

You sound like the average American, kill everyone and take what you can for yourself.

[No_oil_4_u]

takion1 wrote:

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Most jobs created these days are service industry jobs.
Where else are you supposed to work, if you can't afford to go to college, and there are no other jobs to get?

My youngest applied for an apprentiship in a crafts and trade union. He is now in the thrird year of his apprentiship, makes about 25 bucks an hour with full hospitalization and retirement plan. There are good jobs out there for non college educated.

[No_oil_4_u]

KenGuy wrote:

Thank god i'm not American, or i'd be as blind and ignorant as you.
Don't act like you have the ability to fight in a war, someone with an intelligence level as low as yours, i'm surprised you're able to write, although your posts are some what difficult to read and understand, which obviously shows how small minded you are.
Sounds as if you were hit in the head one too many times, perhaps another reason why you don't have a single clue what you're talking about. In movies you see Americans with the motto "Never leave a man behind", but we all know the truth how it is with you, and every other american in society, the real motto is: "every man for themselves."
That's what you prove by voting no to UHC u shit stain.

Another liberal facist resorting to name calling once again. Why would anyone expect anything else?

[KenGuy]

No_oil_4_u wrote:

<quoted text>My youngest applied for an apprentiship in a crafts and trade union. He is now in the thrird year of his apprentiship, makes about 25 bucks an hour with full hospitalization and retirement plan. There are good jobs out there for non college educated.

With American taxes taking 50% of your income as you all say, that's only $12.50/h

[Just for the Record]

No_oil_4_u wrote:

<quoted text>My youngest applied for an apprentiship in a crafts and trade union. He is now in the thrird year of his apprentiship, makes about 25 bucks an hour with full hospitalization and retirement plan. There are good jobs out there for non college educated.

Some of my nephews have done the same. One is under 30 and on his second home, new construction, and getting married this year.

Another is 20, buying a starter home and getting married and paying for his future wife's college, while managing to have health insurance, no credit cards and no student loans. They will not have cable tv, more than one car, no big screen tv, etc. Just like my parents when they first started out. BTW my father paid 100% for his college as there were no such thing as gov't loans, grants, etc.

[Just for the Record]

takion1 wrote:

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Most jobs created these days are service industry jobs.
Where else are you supposed to work, if you can't afford to go to college, and there are no other jobs to get?

See my answer to "No Oil" My nephews could certainly teach you a few things.

[Just for the Record]

KenGuy wrote:

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WI shouldn't have to deal with this itself. The country America should deal with it, for ALL states, not just one. I'm talking UHC in ALL of America, not just WI.
What if you're not in WI, you don't have health insurance, and your medical costs are thousands of dollars more then you could ever afford?
How many people in America everyday are declined life-saving procedures because they can't afford it?
Call me an a-hole, that's fine. You're American.
Can't afford health insurance in America?$60, 000 to have a mans index finger surgically re-attached, you tell me which average person can afford that without health insurance. Guess what? THEY CAN'T.
So what happens? You live the rest of your life with no finger.
I can tell you right now, in my current standing I would not be able to afford living in America with your rediculous taxes, and your rediculous health care system. You guys are ranked like #60 in the entire world.
The most advanced country in the world is at the bottom of the list with healthcare. Call me every name in the book, my simple a very logical comeback is; You're American.

Yes and part native American and proud of it. We do not run at the site of a fight, even when we are very ill.

You have not idea about this country, the tax system, the health care system or the people. You have made incorrect assumes with no interest in the truth.

And therefore not worth my percious time.