Should the US have universal healthcare?

[Auroranorth]

Tove wrote:

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You wouldn't need to pay 50% of your income in order to have universal health care.
Also it seems like you spend an awful lot of money on admin. Doesn't that bother you?

quit the foolishness. this plan isnt anything close to what is needed its ripping off the medicare system and stealing the cost of living increase because this guy is a dickless wonder without a clue who is losing the war and funding jobs for illegal aliens

[JFTR]

Vote Green Party wrote:

<quoted text>The republicans dont have a plan. Oh wait yes they do - its called keep the status quo. that their plan.

Sill working for the democrats I see, while pretending to be Green.

So you theory is to do something even if it makes a bad situation worse. I always love that theory when I bring up the A R&R act an dhow it increased the deficit 250% in less than a year and we lost more jobs with it then we would have without it. I hear will we had to so something. Guess what in this case doing something was a whole lot worse then doing nothing.

I see no reason any of this has to be done in such a rush. Better they take time to work on it and present it in it entirety to the public instead of pushing through and hiding the details of a poor excuse for a health care reform bill that will make the situating a whole lot worse.

[Vote Green Party]

Don Joe wrote:

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Count me in. I voted for McKinney for pres. I didn't trust Obama to change significantly from bush and so far he hasn't. When Pelosi said oversight of the crimes of the bush administration was off the table, they lost my vote. If they won't stand up against obvious criminality what will they stand for?

More and more are figuring out the the current two parties - not much difference. Yes lets keep it up.

More and more citizens are looking to us now.

www.gp.org

Its pretty funny how these guys point fingers at others and simply the crooks and adulterers they call leadership.

Vote Green Party wrote:

<quoted text>Too bad bush lover. I even hear the tea-baggers are going next to Florida and taking another one of your guys out.
HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! I support a 3rd party - even them - all the way.

And speaking of progress:

Greens make gains in city council races across the US on Election Day 2009, with a 35% victory rate
http://www.gp.org/elections/2009-videos/novem ...
www.gp.org

Vote Green Party wrote:

Versus what? The party of george bush, pedophiles, racists, quitters, and adulterers?

Again you guys are hilarious. You criticize others seeming to ignore the fact that your party is a joke. Down to 20%.
Good luck finding a conservative that will even admit they voted for george bush and was one of his cheerleader.
Heres a short list ensign, vitter, foley, duke, bachman, palin, beck, limbag.

Vote Green Party wrote:

<quoted text>Actually my party is growing. People are figuring out the dems are just a step below the conservatives in terms of effectiveness.
Many are calling for a 3rd party now.

[Vote Green Party]

Hernia702 wrote:

First, who ever said you need health insurance to receive health care? Health insurance does need to be in the middle of a doctor treating his/her patients..www.SurgeryFairPrice .com

www.sickforprofit.com

[Vote Green Party]

Recordo wrote:

SURE the US should have universal, intergalactic health care. But that's not what you're going to get. I GUARANTEEEEE IT!
What you will get is REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH! That is the Radical Democrat's mantra. It's got nothing to do with "health" or "care" or anything else that would do this country some good.
It is putting America into a blender and coming out with a creamy dough that fits a certain size cookie cutter.
If I work harder and longer hours than you I should earn more, RIGHT? Not in this Obama's nation. From each according to his ability; to each according to his need. Thank you Karl Hussein Marx.
If you can get up from watching Oprah, RUN don't walk for the nearest exit. America could masquerade as a democratic country as long as the government kept its hands off the rich who made it run.(You think JOBS make wealth?) If you have any interest in history (if it's available on your Kindle) the last time government stuck its foot in the soup, Roosevelt's Depression lasted ten years longer than it should have. In fact, he started a second Depression in 1937.
Those of you sucking hind tit (which is most of you) don't want to hear this. You just want your government checks to show up on time. Be patient. Pretty soon it will just be paper.

Agreed. As it stands now they are just a step below the reps in terms of being bought dogs for their corporate masters.

its time for a 3rd party folks.

[Observer-]

Vote Green Party wrote:

<quoted text>www.sickforprofit.com

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www.sickofVoteGreenParty.com

[Vote Green Party]

skeptic wrote:

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You’re full of it.
First, I’m far from a “Bush lover” though I did vote for him twice…first against “Global Warming Gore” and again when his lies about WMDs fooled me as they did many liberals. I believe we’ve gone not just 8 but 16 years under the two worst Presidents of my lifetime (reaching back to Hoover) and may be due for 4 or 8 more. I’m a fiscal conservative but social libertarian and neither party wants me (except for campaign contributions). I skipped the top position on my 2008 ballot. Though I would have preferred McCain to Obama I couldn’t stand the thought of Palin in the Oval Office and with McCain’s age that seemed entirely possible.
Next, the “Palin Republicans” account for more nearly 25 than the 20% you’ve used ad nausum. Pelosi Democrats account for about 35%. Green Party advocates account for less than 0.2%…primarily reverse racists. The earth won’t last long enough for your party to account for even 5%. You may indeed elect a few to minor local offices but not to any of general interest. Even Ron Paul does manage to get elected to Congress (as a Republican).
One can find scoundrels ANYWHERE there is power to be had or money to be made…neither the Republican nor Democratic Parties are exceptions. Cynthia can hardly be held out as a paragon of virtue!
Finally, I have nothing against a third party, in fact voted for H. Ross Perot in the Bush (Sr.) vs. Clinton election and for Kinky Friedman in our last gubernatorial election. I merely ask that they show at least an ounce of intelligence. The Green Party candidates and their advocates have shown me absolutely none.
Again, put on your Dunce Cap and go sit in the corner!

Theres a lot here. So your not a bush lover, but you did vote for him twice and you voted for mccain as well. Got it!

"Green Party advocates account for less than 0.2%…primarily reverse racists." Prove the racist part. Lets see what you have.

"Cynthia can hardly be held out as a paragon of virtue!'

I never said she was. What I said what its funny to hear those that would attempt to criticize - seem to never look in the mirror.

"The Green Party candidates and their advocates have shown me absolutely none.'

Hey thats fine. But one has to first look - has to be able to see in the first place. My guess is too much fox "conditioning" may have blinded you.

But our numbers are growing. Give us some time.

[Vote Green Party]

skeptic wrote:

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You’re full of it.
First, I’m far from a “Bush lover” though I did vote for him twice…first against “Global Warming Gore” and again when his lies about WMDs fooled me as they did many liberals. I believe we’ve gone not just 8 but 16 years under the two worst Presidents of my lifetime (reaching back to Hoover) and may be due for 4 or 8 more. I’m a fiscal conservative but social libertarian and neither party wants me (except for campaign contributions). I skipped the top position on my 2008 ballot. Though I would have preferred McCain to Obama I couldn’t stand the thought of Palin in the Oval Office and with McCain’s age that seemed entirely possible.
Next, the “Palin Republicans” account for more nearly 25 than the 20% you’ve used ad nausum. Pelosi Democrats account for about 35%. Green Party advocates account for less than 0.2%…primarily reverse racists. The earth won’t last long enough for your party to account for even 5%. You may indeed elect a few to minor local offices but not to any of general interest. Even Ron Paul does manage to get elected to Congress (as a Republican).
One can find scoundrels ANYWHERE there is power to be had or money to be made…neither the Republican nor Democratic Parties are exceptions. Cynthia can hardly be held out as a paragon of virtue!
Finally, I have nothing against a third party, in fact voted for H. Ross Perot in the Bush (Sr.) vs. Clinton election and for Kinky Friedman in our last gubernatorial election. I merely ask that they show at least an ounce of intelligence. The Green Party candidates and their advocates have shown me absolutely none.
Again, put on your Dunce Cap and go sit in the corner!

"I have nothing against a third party," Never said you did.

www.gp.org

Vote Green Party wrote:

<quoted text>Too bad bush lover. I even hear the tea-baggers are going next to Florida and taking another one of your guys out.
HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! I support a 3rd party - even them - all the way.

And speaking of progress:

Greens make gains in city council races across the US on Election Day 2009, with a 35% victory rate
http://www.gp.org/elections/2009-videos/novem ...

Vote Green Party wrote:

Versus what? The party of george bush, pedophiles, racists, quitters, and adulterers?
Again you guys are hilarious. You criticize others seeming to ignore the fact that your party is a joke. Down to 20%.
Good luck finding a conservative that will even admit they voted for george bush and was one of his cheerleader.
Heres a short list ensign, vitter, foley, duke, bachman, palin, beck, limbag.

Vote Green Party wrote:

<quoted text>Actually my party is growing. People are figuring out the dems are just a step below the conservatives in terms of effectiveness.
Many are calling for a 3rd party now.

[Vote Green Party]

Observer- wrote:

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If you break it down to the most common denominator, the Democrats favor bigger, more controlling government and the Republicans favor bigger, more controlling business. OK........
In my most humble opinion, both can be dangerous but if I had to make a choice, I would favor big business. Yes, CEO's are making millions. Yes, there are some dirty deeds happening. But at least with business flourishing, I get a piece of that. Not millions perhaps but my piece for my hard work. I'd rather work for my piece of the action than have some government slacker tell me what I get.
Under the big government scenario, the dirty, backroom deals are still happening. People are getting millions but the working stiff like me gets nothing. So, my vote is always for business not more government.

What are you talking about.

Folks when bush created the Patriot Act - this marked the establishment of the largest government in history!

Reagan doubled our debt. Bush more then doubled our debt.

If you go by like real numbers (versus fox talking points)- the biggest spenders, the biggest creators of gov systems is history the Republican party.

You conservatives live in this dreamworld that your party is not for big government and that they watch the purse strings.

Oh buts that right, you guys also believe reagan (the sick one) was a good president.

[JFTR]

Observer- wrote:

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www.sickofVoteGreenParty.com

LOL.

[Vote Green Party]

watefer wrote:

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First of all my little psychotic buttnugget, where have I EVER stated that I supported ANY president past or present?
Second, for GENERAL information (of which you are sorely lacking) wikipedia is as good as it's sorces. Do you read the citations?
Boix, Carles (2003). Democracy and Redistribution. New York: Cambridge University Press.
Bunce, Valerie. 2003.“Rethinking Recent Democratization: Lessons from the Postcommunist Experience.” World Politics 55(2):167-192.
Colomer, Josep M.(2003). Political Institutions. Oxford: Oxford University Press.
Dahl, Robert Polyarchy Yale University Press (1971
Heritage, Andrew, Editor-in-Chief. 2000. World Desk Reference
Lijphart, Arend (1977). Democracy in Plural Societies: A Comparative Exploration. New Haven: Yale University Press.
Linz, Juan. 2000. Totalitarian and Authoritarian Regimes. Boulder: Lynne Rienner.
Slomp, Hans (2000). European Politics Into the Twenty-First Century: Integration and Division. Westport: Praeger. ISBN 0275968146.
Ferguson, L. W.(1941) "The stability of the primary social attitudes, religionism and humanitarianism." Journal of Psychology, 1941, 12, 283-288.
As you can see the list goes on.
Your crude attempt at trying to appear more intelligent than a sack of wet hammers has once again fallen short and you still show the signs of self mental fondling akin to masturbation by quoting yourself (as if any inane rambling of yours needs to be read once let alone twice) past the point of being entertaining.
Get a clue.
I must leave now and prep for the wanton destruction of the ozone layer and a bit of bambi killing. I only regret that I cannot partake in the baby seal clubbing festivities.

I am here to help all Americans. You are here to help yourself.

Not really concerned about who is smarter then who. I was taught better by my elders.

But hey people can look at my posts and then look at yours filled with the childish name calling and then decide.

"you still show the signs of self mental fondling akin to masturbation by quoting yourself..."

Wow - going off the deep end a little - and you going to criticize others guys?

Not sure what your trip is with quotes. But when quotes are put in - Im quoting someone else, not myself.

Or did you not know this?

Again once you two-party people figure out that UHC aint coming - think Green Party.

Vote Green Party wrote:

<quoted text>Im sorry bush lover. Your linking to wikepedia and then crticize others about info sources?

HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!1

Thats funny.

The sad facts of the status quo that the bush types here want us to keep in power.

45k deaths annually because of no insurance.
life expectancy #31
maternal mortality #34
infant mortality #37

We should all be ashamed that we allow this to continue.

Vote Green Party wrote:
<quoted text>Often times when children make a mistake (voting in bush) twice and then realize what they did - they cant handle it. Instead they lash out.
Reminds me of you.

If any group of people have acted like communists we can all agree is was the conservative bush gov. You guys know this.

Our #s are growing while yours are shrinking.

Vote Green Party wrote:

<quoted text>This from the super-smart voters that gave us bush.......twice.

Please you dont really have the right to ask after telling us bush was the guy we needed.

What a joke. Thanks again for sinking our country!

[Vote Green Party]

Mac-7 wrote:

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I said that I doubt even 1 in 4 doctors are for socialized medicine.
And that is my impression and what I believe.
It would be your job to prove that I don't doubt it.
Talking to doctors and listening to them across the nation comment on the issue very few outside the universities are for ObamaCare.

Already proved it. You doubt? You dont have your own proof and you are going to criticize me?

But hey give us your facts. Tell us how many doctors hate medicare. back up what you say. observer cant maybe you can

[Vote Green Party]

Observer- wrote:

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I'm still waiting there Mr. Green Beans..........
Vote Green Party wrote:
<quoted text>So are you still going to try and keep posting lies that most doctors hate medicare and/or single payer?
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Yup lets believe the guy that believes that most doctors and nurses dont want Single Payer!
Vote Green Party wrote:
<quoted text>Again? Here you go - AGAIN. But we all know the reply, right folks.
http://www.causecast.org/news_items/8954-heal ...
These bush types just deny it and then in another few days he will ask me to prove it again.
Also we will see he wont post any similar data showing that most doctors hate Single Payer.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/re ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1239934627783 ...
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story ...

Look folks

Proof that doctors and nurses want single payer.

Health Care: New Poll Shows Doctors Want Public Option

http://www.causecast.org/news_items/8954-heal...

What does observer give us?

3 links that dont work. Sad.

Like I said folks - I predicted it below and I will repost here

"These bush types just deny it and then in another few days he will ask me to prove it again."

[Vote Green Party]

Observer- wrote:

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I agree. At this moment, I am not too happy with either. But I select the lesser of two evils.

And thats why you guys are suckers.

[Vote Green Party]

Mac-7 wrote:

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Then we should have tort reform, insurance portability that moves with the worker from one job to another, and competition across state lines to lower costs.
These are all sensible ideas not included in Obama/PelosiCare that would lower costs to the middle class.
Another reason healthcare keeps rising is the growing number of illegal aliens taking advantage of our health services without paying their fair share.
Deport everyone who does not belong in this country and medical costs for American citizens and legal residents would go down instead of up.

As it sits now obama and bush are the same. Actually this dems bill is an even bigger benefit for the insurance cartel so in fact obama is worse then bush. We are all going to get screwed even more if this bs passes.

"Deport everyone who does not belong in this country and medical costs for American citizens and legal residents would go down instead of up."

Do you really believe this? Sounds good, but you cant prove it. Also the cartel can raise their premiums regardless of how many illegals are in the country. Just because costs go down does not mean that the money "trickles" down to the common guy. Or have you been off planet for the last 8 years?

And let me guess you forgot that these corps run on profit margins, right?

The cartel has already told us that premiums are going up no matter what the dems do.

[Vote Green Party]

Observer- wrote:

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Single payer is a non-starter as they like to say in Congress. So, let's all agree to debate in reality, shall we?

Oh no. We the Green Party are not ready to give up yet.

Gee folks - i dont mind people making a buck - seriously, but these guys run their own death panels.
End the insurance cartel.
Pass single payer!

[Vote Green Party]

Ayn of Cunuckistan wrote:

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2008 Total CEO Compensation
* Aetna, Ronald A. Williams:$24,300,112
* Cigna, H. Edward Hanway:$12,236,740
* Coventry, Dale Wolf:$9,047,469
* Health Net, Jay Gellert:$4,425,355
* Humana, Michael McCallister:$4,764,309
* U. Health Group, Stephen J. Hemsley:$3,241,042
* Wellpoint, Angela Braly:$9,844,212
I posted this before...It seems to have gotten removed. Gee...go figure!

The insurance cartel is really hurting. We really need to give them more of our money. System is working great!

[Ayn of Cunuckistan]

Mac-7 wrote:

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We are smarter than they are.

Somehow...I DON'T THINK SO!

New report ranks U.S. teens 29th in science worldwide
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1205/p02s01-usg...

U.S. Education Slips In Rankings

Annual Study Finds Other Nations Zoom By U.S. In Student Achievement
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/13/nat...

What do the words "No Child Left Behind" mean to you? why do you think that program was put in place?

[JFTR]

Seems "Vote Green" is attempting a filibuster.(or just trying to bore us into submission){Yawn}

[Peter]

1) Our nation does not a need a tax exemption for health insurance that primarily benefits the wealthy. We should stop the tax exemption of employer-provided health benefits and replace them with a cash grant for everyone to apply to purchase their own health insurance.

2) Price gouging by non-profit hospitals has gotta stop. Its disgusting. There is no real competition between hospitals. Hospitals are huge employers; Congress is reluctant to act on them. How can competition solve this? It can't. Unfortunately, the only route to take it to take away tax exemptions from those gougers.

3) Medicare can save big bucks if it permits seniors to utilize MSAs. There are no good reasons NOT to permit seniors to have MSAs with no risk adjusting of the money allocated.