Should the US have universal healthcare?

[globalcitizen]

Cheech the Conservative wrote:

STFU.This thread is not about bush.If you want to bash him,do it on another thread.A liberal one.It is you F---ing libs who are F---ing up this country.UHC is a commie idea.And it will never fly.People like me,with our wealth and greed,will prevent it.And my daughter was IN Iraq.My son in Afghanistan.What they did HAS meaning.So CAN IT!<quoted text>

of course it didnt.
their service i presume is much appreciated but direct to political and economical dead ends.
with 1 trillion spend on Iraq, and 2 trillions that cost the inner American economy due to oil prices and recession, usa could detach from oil policies to alternative energy and energy preservation.
you could have built with those money 1000 hydro electrical dams , taking advantage of the huge hydro electrical potential of usa, covering 1/3rd or more of your energy need, while you subsidize energy conservation policies in house and buildings as for car fuel efficiency ,as transforming ght e whole car industry of usa from a conventional one to a hybrid or electrical one, that could cut by 30% the energy spends of usa.

All and I mean all the political movements that have been been incorporated in al quida network , have been spin off the main stream organization promoted by Saudi government Wahhabism, across the globe .
In many case there are organizational links between washbasin organizational structure and terrorist groups.
To any sensible person must be obvious that bush Don Quijotic
policies have nothing to do with the source of islamist extremism.

[Cheech the Conservative]

You stepped over the line,frog.The war is NONE OF YOUR F---ING BUSINESS.But I do hope that osama pays CYPRESS a visit some day.Maybe YOU should go live in Haifa for a few months.

globalcitizen wrote:

<quoted text>
of course it didnt.
their service i presume is much appreciated but direct to political and economical dead ends.
with 1 trillion spend on Iraq, and 2 trillions that cost the inner American economy due to oil prices and recession, usa could detach from oil policies to alternative energy and energy preservation.
you could have built with those money 1000 hydro electrical dams , taking advantage of the huge hydro electrical potential of usa, covering 1/3rd or more of your energy need, while you subsidize energy conservation policies in house and buildings as for car fuel efficiency ,as transforming ght e whole car industry of usa from a conventional one to a hybrid or electrical one, that could cut by 30% the energy spends of usa.
All and I mean all the political movements that have been been incorporated in al quida network , have been spin off the main stream organization promoted by Saudi government Wahhabism, across the globe .
In many case there are organizational links between washbasin organizational structure and terrorist groups.
To any sensible person must be obvious that bush Don Quijotic
policies have nothing to do with the source of islamist extremism.

[Cheech the Conservative]

I already answered that.A Gov't is an unreliable servant and a terrible master.Now STFU and stop bashing America.You have NO right.And Bush is 100 times the man you are,you little catamite.How in the F--- is this your business,anyway?

globalcitizen wrote:

what is a government?:
government is not the present or past administrations. They can mess things ups, but a government is usually representative of the social and democratic maturity of the voters.
so often you get the administrations you deserve as a nation.
A government though is not the administration of a country.
in actual volume , an administration is only some 2 or 3% of the government actions that effect every day life.
A government is the huge pool of established science , humanistic or practical that applied in our daily life.
Do people realize how many regulations and government intentions are needed for even the most basic products as a tooth paste?
they are accounted in the thousands.
Chemical analyses, chemical substances prohibition, health impacts, promotion of health related policies concerning mouth hygienes, package standards, child protection, product preservation, expire date of usage, safety standards concerning transportation of the good, preservation standards in storage and shop show rooms.........
and it can go on and on and on. In all products services, or event the most private actions of our daily lives.
the mare notion that a deregulated market can provide good quality products at affordable prices , is an utopia, that doesn’t reflect the reality .
the fact is where good government regulation exist product have high quality and in affordable prices, and keep improving as new aspects of the products usage regulated more to advance quality, safety and affordability as for concern for environmental impact that concern the general society.
Bush was not the government of usa, he was the stooge that prevented the government bodies to reform and advance the quality of their services and expand them, often with no so humble motives.

[Obama For Dog Catcher]

OBAMA’S “EXPERIENCE”: Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.

From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.

After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.

143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.

In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his stride.

Obama’s Inexperience Tough to Ignore

http://tinyurl.com/67x3yy

The Audacity of Vanity

http://tinyurl.com/55rav4

[Cheech the Conservative]

I share a lot of your misgivings,but Hillarybitch Clinton would have been SO much worse.Besides,this thread is about UHC,NOT politics.So,unless Obama SAYS something directly about UHC,STFU about him.This is NOT a political thread.

Obama For Dog Catcher wrote:

OBAMA’S “EXPERIENCE”: Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.
From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.
In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his stride.
Obama’s Inexperience Tough to Ignore
http://tinyurl.com/67x3yy
The Audacity of Vanity
http://tinyurl.com/55rav4

[Cheech the Conservative]

Besides,what would you goddam turkies know about it.Most of YOU are muslim anyway.Which means you are probably in cahoots with our enemies!

globalcitizen wrote:

<quoted text>
of course it didnt.
their service i presume is much appreciated but direct to political and economical dead ends.
with 1 trillion spend on Iraq, and 2 trillions that cost the inner American economy due to oil prices and recession, usa could detach from oil policies to alternative energy and energy preservation.
you could have built with those money 1000 hydro electrical dams , taking advantage of the huge hydro electrical potential of usa, covering 1/3rd or more of your energy need, while you subsidize energy conservation policies in house and buildings as for car fuel efficiency ,as transforming ght e whole car industry of usa from a conventional one to a hybrid or electrical one, that could cut by 30% the energy spends of usa.
All and I mean all the political movements that have been been incorporated in al quida network , have been spin off the main stream organization promoted by Saudi government Wahhabism, across the globe .
In many case there are organizational links between washbasin organizational structure and terrorist groups.
To any sensible person must be obvious that bush Don Quijotic
policies have nothing to do with the source of islamist extremism.

[takion1]

globalcitizen wrote:

what is a government?:
government is not the present or past administrations. They can mess things ups, but a government is usually representative of the social and democratic maturity of the voters.
so often you get the administrations you deserve as a nation.
A government though is not the administration of a country.
in actual volume , an administration is only some 2 or 3% of the government actions that effect every day life.
A government is the huge pool of established science , humanistic or practical that applied in our daily life.
Do people realize how many regulations and government intentions are needed for even the most basic products as a tooth paste?
they are accounted in the thousands.
Chemical analyses, chemical substances prohibition, health impacts, promotion of health related policies concerning mouth hygienes, package standards, child protection, product preservation, expire date of usage, safety standards concerning transportation of the good, preservation standards in storage and shop show rooms.........
and it can go on and on and on. In all products services, or event the most private actions of our daily lives.
the mare notion that a deregulated market can provide good quality products at affordable prices , is an utopia, that doesn’t reflect the reality .
the fact is where good government regulation exist product have high quality and in affordable prices, and keep improving as new aspects of the products usage regulated more to advance quality, safety and affordability as for concern for environmental impact that concern the general society.
Bush was not the government of usa, he was the stooge that prevented the government bodies to reform and advance the quality of their services and expand them, often with no so humble motives.

We all know all about Govt!
This a health care thread, and all you are doing with this post, is trying to bash our President!
This is not necessary and you have no right to do so.
YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN!
As Cheech would say, either stick to the subject or GET GHOST!

[Indy]

I hope most realize that whether it's Obama or McCain, whether United Health Care is the devil incarnate or just a company offering services, UHC or not, we each have to take care of our own situation.

[Indy]

Who know what the deal is with Montel Williams "Partnership for Prescription Assistance"? There were some disclaimers but it may be worth a look.

[Cheech the Conservative]

Good point.But our UHC-pro or con-is none of his business either.He should make like Casper regardless.We do not need a turkeys opinion.Most of the people on Cypress ARE turkeys.

takion1 wrote:

<quoted text>
We all know all about Govt!
This a health care thread, and all you are doing with this post, is trying to bash our President!
This is not necessary and you have no right to do so.
YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN!
As Cheech would say, either stick to the subject or GET GHOST!

[Stewie]

globalcitizen wrote:

what is a government?:
government is not the present or past administrations. They can mess things ups, but a government is usually representative of the social and democratic maturity of the voters.
so often you get the administrations you deserve as a nation.
A government though is not the administration of a country.
in actual volume , an administration is only some 2 or 3% of the government actions that effect every day life.
A government is the huge pool of established science , humanistic or practical that applied in our daily life.
Do people realize how many regulations and government intentions are needed for even the most basic products as a tooth paste?
they are accounted in the thousands.
Chemical analyses, chemical substances prohibition, health impacts, promotion of health related policies concerning mouth hygienes, package standards, child protection, product preservation, expire date of usage, safety standards concerning transportation of the good, preservation standards in storage and shop show rooms.........
and it can go on and on and on. In all products services, or event the most private actions of our daily lives.
the mare notion that a deregulated market can provide good quality products at affordable prices , is an utopia, that doesn’t reflect the reality .
the fact is where good government regulation exist product have high quality and in affordable prices, and keep improving as new aspects of the products usage regulated more to advance quality, safety and affordability as for concern for environmental impact that concern the general society.
Bush was not the government of usa, he was the stooge that prevented the government bodies to reform and advance the quality of their services and expand them, often with no so humble motives.

I took a government course in college. I don't need a lesson from you

[Pdamerica org]

Rusty Shackleford wrote:

<quoted text>
yawn...
clinton and gore can say whatever they want after the fact.
They are complete morons.
They dismantled the intelligence and militry so much that we couldn't even defend ourselves against France is we needed to.
You are so clueless that it's actually amusing.

I think you need a good dose of Iraqi Oil to get rid of the Rust in your brain???

Are you smarter than Bush or is Bush smarter than you?

Which one is it???

INTERVIEW: GENERAL JOSEPH P. HOAR
http://tinyurl.com/yqyep May 21, 2004

`The Neo-Cons Have Had Their Day;
Now It's Time for a Clean Sweep'

Gen. Joseph P. Hoar (USMC-ret.), a four-star general, was Commander in Chief, U.S. Central Command (1991-94), commanding the U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf after the 1991 war. He also served in the Vietnam War, as a battalion and brigade advisor with the Vietnamese Marines. He was interviewed by Jeffrey Steinberg on May 6, 2004.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/interviews/2...

[Cheech the Conservative]

If you are going to bash our president,go to a different thread.Once again,this is about UHC.At least show that you have an open mind and take a look at our [e-mail]-Al-Q ueda,Hezbollah,Hamas,and other terrorists groups have operatives in EVERY Islamic country.Get this.Islam wants to wipe out every Jew and Christian on Earth.We have a choice.Convert,die,or wipe THEM out.Time you libs realize that this is a war to the death.We aspire to the stars.Islam would have us grubbing in the dirt like peasants for eternity.

Pdamerica org wrote:

<quoted text>
I think you need a good dose of Iraqi Oil to get rid of the Rust in your brain???
Are you smarter than Bush or is Bush smarter than you?
Which one is it???
INTERVIEW: GENERAL JOSEPH P. HOAR
http://tinyurl.com/yqyep May 21, 2004
`The Neo-Cons Have Had Their Day;
Now It's Time for a Clean Sweep'
Gen. Joseph P. Hoar (USMC-ret.), a four-star general, was Commander in Chief, U.S. Central Command (1991-94), commanding the U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf after the 1991 war. He also served in the Vietnam War, as a battalion and brigade advisor with the Vietnamese Marines. He was interviewed by Jeffrey Steinberg on May 6, 2004.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/interviews/2...

[Zara]

Americans need a government that fears its citizens, not citizens that fear its government.

[globalcitizen]

takion1 wrote:

<quoted text>
We all know all about Govt!
This a health care thread, and all you are doing with this post, is trying to bash our President!
This is not necessary and you have no right to do so.
YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN!
As Cheech would say, either stick to the subject or GET GHOST!

i admit that criticizing your president, no matter if redefines the word moron downwards, it should be privilege of American citizens.
that is if bush policies didn’t effect my daily life which the do.

[Pdamerica org]

Fixing Health Care: Not Government vs. Market
By Dean Baker http://tinyurl.com/33s6nr 10 July 2007
With "SiCKO" rallying popular support for universal health care coverage, defenders of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries are shifting into high gear with their scare tactics. The key to their efforts is to frighten people about the prospect of the government managing their health care.
Whether or not this sounds scary, the reality is that the government already structures the way in which we receive health care. However, the current pattern of government intervention ensures high profits for the insurance and pharmaceutical industries; it is not designed to provide adequate health care.
Starting with a very simple but important form of government intervention, insurance contracts are enforced in a very different way than most other types of contracts. When a person fails to disclose information on an insurance contract, it is grounds for voiding the contract. This means, as shown in "SiCKO," if a person did not report a pre-existing condition, even if it seemed trivial and irrelevant at the time, an insurance company can treat this fact as grounds for voiding a policy and not paying claims.
By contrast, most contracts have a buyer-beware structure. If I buy a house and didn't bother to notice that the roof was falling in, that's my problem.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071007L.sht...

[Phil Gray]

globalcitizen wrote:

<quoted text>
i admit that criticizing your president, no matter if redefines the word moron downwards, it should be privilege of American citizens.
that is if bush policies didn’t effect my daily life which the do.

Then go to a thread where that is the topic

[Indy]

Zara wrote:

Americans need a government that fears its citizens, not citizens that fear its government.

Agreed. American citizens are born/naturalized with rights. It's not governments place to bestow them on us. Those in government ignore Constitutional fundamentals.

[Phil Gray]

Pdamerica org wrote:

Fixing Health Care: Not Government vs. Market
By Dean Baker http://tinyurl.com/33s6nr 10 July 2007
With "SiCKO" rallying popular support for universal health care coverage, defenders of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries are shifting into high gear with their scare tactics. The key to their efforts is to frighten people about the prospect of the government managing their health care.
Whether or not this sounds scary, the reality is that the government already structures the way in which we receive health care. However, the current pattern of government intervention ensures high profits for the insurance and pharmaceutical industries; it is not designed to provide adequate health care.
Starting with a very simple but important form of government intervention, insurance contracts are enforced in a very different way than most other types of contracts. When a person fails to disclose information on an insurance contract, it is grounds for voiding the contract. This means, as shown in "SiCKO," if a person did not report a pre-existing condition, even if it seemed trivial and irrelevant at the time, an insurance company can treat this fact as grounds for voiding a policy and not paying claims.
By contrast, most contracts have a buyer-beware structure. If I buy a house and didn't bother to notice that the roof was falling in, that's my problem.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071007L.sht...

That buyer beware clause is far more limited than you are putting forward and when it comes to realestate if that is the case and the seller or the realitor knows of any problems and fails to disclose them they are liable.

[Cheech the Conservative]

I guess I was mistaken.You have no mind.Anyone who believes that F---ing traitor,Fatass Michael Moore,is anti-American.Don't bother looking up our plan.It would only make sense to a real American.

Pdamerica org wrote:

Fixing Health Care: Not Government vs. Market
By Dean Baker http://tinyurl.com/33s6nr 10 July 2007
With "SiCKO" rallying popular support for universal health care coverage, defenders of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries are shifting into high gear with their scare tactics. The key to their efforts is to frighten people about the prospect of the government managing their health care.
Whether or not this sounds scary, the reality is that the government already structures the way in which we receive health care. However, the current pattern of government intervention ensures high profits for the insurance and pharmaceutical industries; it is not designed to provide adequate health care.
Starting with a very simple but important form of government intervention, insurance contracts are enforced in a very different way than most other types of contracts. When a person fails to disclose information on an insurance contract, it is grounds for voiding the contract. This means, as shown in "SiCKO," if a person did not report a pre-existing condition, even if it seemed trivial and irrelevant at the time, an insurance company can treat this fact as grounds for voiding a policy and not paying claims.
By contrast, most contracts have a buyer-beware structure. If I buy a house and didn't bother to notice that the roof was falling in, that's my problem.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071007L.sht...