Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#101633 Jun 19, 2014
KiMare wrote:
When people see a ss couple standing next to a husband and wife with their children, do you really think they think those are the same relationships???
Smile.
I see the self-loathing hermaphrodite is still around.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#101634 Jun 19, 2014
KiMare wrote:
When people see a ss couple standing next to a husband and wife with their children, do you really think they think those are the same relationships???
Smile.
When men see KiMare's with his vagina standing next to them at the gym, do you really think they think he's the same as them?

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#101635 Jun 19, 2014
KiMare*

Since: Aug 11

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#101636 Jun 19, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Can you give me some observable evidence that evolution is true?
Ever heard of mutation and natural selection?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#101638 Jun 19, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
Decent people don't go around comparing people's relationships, to see whose is "better" and whose is "worse". I wouldn't care if someone thought that my husband and I were alien beings incapable of feeling real love or seeing in visible color. I'm not interested in the evaluations of other citizens, only of the government.
If I compared a husband and wife to the Duggars and their endless brood, or to a disabled couple unable to even be intimate, or to a man in prison talking through a pane of glass to his wife whom he will never touch, I would think that all those relationships are significantly different in many ways, but I wouldn't think any "less" of any of them (though I do think the Duggars are remarkably selfish and shortsighted).
If you are determined to look at gay couples as "lesser" than straight couples, that's your prerogative, but you aren't going to be able to do anything to coerce the government to share your dehumanizing view. And that's all that matters.
I didn't do any such thing. You did.

I only noted they are clearly different relationships, and you agreed.

Smile.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#101639 Jun 19, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
eddy yhe poof, I'm sure you are right poofer
The user known as "Some 1 Else" recently quoted you as saying: "Sorry, I don't play that game. Insults and name calling is not in my interest. Grow up and when you have something, let me know."

And you yourself JUST got done saying: "It's a derogatory term for a gay person , usually male.. Shame on you. What would be the reaction if me or kimare starts calling gay men poofs?"

If you hold yourself above insults and name calling, and you recognize a derogatory term for what it is, then what gives? Are you just a hypocrite, or what? Why have you abandoned your OWN principles for civilized conversation?
RiccardoFire wrote:
you are always right. I think you are smarter then a True God and you should put Him on trial for not taking away free will.
And, this counts as "grown up conversation" to you? Why won't you engage me in the questions that I ask, instead of sinking to this childishness? You should put yourself above this kind of garbage.

What does this accomplish? Of course I am not always right. And if you would answer a direct question once in a while, you might have the satisfaction of proving me wrong. I LIKE being proven wrong. It means learning something new, which is always an asset.
RiccardoFire wrote:
You are a liberal that puts a lot of faith in assumptions and surveys.
What "surveys"? You keep mentioning surveys, and I have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been TRYING to "survey" the Christians here, by asking them to outline the details of their beliefs (which vary from Christian to Christian), but some of them are incredibly resistant to that level of conversation. Why is that?
RiccardoFire wrote:
man made global warming must be true, obama said so.
No, thousands of scientists the world over have said so. People with FAR more training and experience in this field than you have. Or than Obama has, for that matter.

What if it's a possibility? Don't you even CARE what damage we could do to the environment? Do you know what a gyre is?
RiccardoFire wrote:
How can you personally confirm evolution is true?
The same way that ALL good scientific findings can be confirmed as true: by attempting to make predictions with them. When those predictions pan out, the scientific theory is likely true, and we can comfortably rely on it.

I doubt that you watched Cosmos, but I remember an interesting bit...

In 1862, Charles Darwin studied a species of orchid from Madagascar, which held its nectar very deep inside, where insects couldn't reach it. Darwin hypothesized that there should be an insect that evolved parallel to the orchid, which would have a long tongue allowing it to access the nectar. But, no one had ever seen such an insect. Until 1907, when just such a moth was discovered. And it wasn't until 1992 that the moth was observed drinking nectar from the orchid, proving Darwin's prediction correct.

Viruses and bacteria evolve constantly, making new immunization formulas necessary annually. Biologists surmised that there should be a "transitional" specimen between fish and land animals, long before discovering the Tiktaalik. Science (and the science of evolution specifically) is full of predictive moments like this.

People have been studying evolution for a century and a half, and it's proven to be a reliable field. There's little reason to think it isn't trustworthy.

What is your alternative? Explain a talking snake to me. Explain a tree that has knowledge of good and evil within its fruit. I don't mean to sound "mocking", but the Bible says these things were real. If they were real, then what is the biological foundations of these items?

I answered your questions, without resistance or invective. Can you do the same?

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#101640 Jun 19, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
Mao Zedong leader of China murdered 70,000,000.
80 years ago. Who is doing it today?
RiccardoFire wrote:
Joseph Stalin leader of the Soviet Union 20,000,000.
Through the 1920s and 50s. Where is it happening NOW?
RiccardoFire wrote:
Pol Pot leader of Cambodia 2,000,000.
Before many of the people on this thread were even born. You suggested that this was happening CURRENTLY. But it is not. Society improves as it reviews its past mistakes.
RiccardoFire wrote:
See what non Christian leaders of the 20th century have accomplished?
You named all of 3 people. They are not representative of ALL non-Christian leaders of the 20th century. They were vicious dictators. THAT was their problem.

Christianity has blood on its hands as well, does it not? The Crusades? The Inquisition? The witch burnings? The remains of 800 children found inside a septic tank at an Irish Catholic institution?

Wouldn't you prefer that Christianity be judged by what it is TODAY, rather than any crimes of the past?

And still, things like the Crusades and the Inquisition, and the treatment of "immoral" pregant girls have been SUPPORTED by teachings within the Bible. Atheists have no book which tells them to kill anyone. Stalin and the others were not operating under the instructions of any "atheist authority". Their abuse of human rights was not directed by their atheism, it was directed by their own greed and lust for power, something that Christians can be just as guilty of, and HAVE been.
RiccardoFire wrote:
The thing about Communism/Atheism is that their version of genocide is a result of famines and purges The total for communism/atheism alone in this century puts to shame all the Christian genocide of the past.
Wrong on all parts. The thing about "Communism/Atheism" is that it is NOT A THING. You don't just get to CRAM two disparate concepts together with a "slash" and call them one and the same.

Would I be accurate to say "The thing about Stoning/Christianity is..."? Obviously not (even though the Bible frequently calls for stoning). Deal with each concept separately, on its own merits.

Communism is an economic system. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods. There can be communist Christians and capitalist atheists. The fact that some power-hungry dictators have tried to enforce both does not mean the two go hand-in-hand. It is dishonest for you to conflate terms for the convenience of your argument.

Pull your head out of the past. Ask any atheist TODAY whether they support widespread slaughter, or government coercion of religious positions. All the atheists I know or have spoken to support non-violence, and government neutrality in religion. They may feel that religious belief is superstitious and foolish, and they may pursue debate with Christians, but they aren't going to FORCE you to believe something under threat of death.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#101641 Jun 19, 2014
KiMare wrote:
I didn't do any such thing. You did.
Oh, right! I forgot. It must be ME that keeps saying that anal sex is inherently demeaning and unhealthy. It must be ME that keeps calling same-sex marriage a failure of cross-cultural... evolutionary... something something... I forget the exact words I keep using to put people down. Maybe you can remind me? I say it so often, I'm sure you're familiar with the full phrase.
KiMare wrote:
I only noted they are clearly different relationships, and you agreed.
Yep, I agree. Every relationship is different. Every single one. No one in a relationship should be trying to copy someone else's. They should all pursue their own path, and they all deserve respect for it.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#101642 Jun 19, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Ever heard of mutation and natural selection?
Ever heard of adaptation? I'm assuming you have observed a change of kind, give me an example of this mutation you have observed. Where is your evidence? People are critical to me asking about my proof in my faith. Is it your faith?

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#101643 Jun 19, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
80 years ago. Who is doing it today?
<quoted text>
Through the 1920s and 50s. Where is it happening NOW?
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Then why the comment about Christians killing? The cancer to the world today is Islam. But yet the Liberals embrace it.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#101644 Jun 19, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
The user known as "Some 1 Else" recently quoted you as saying: "Sorry, I don't play that game. Insults and name calling is not in my interest. Grow up and when you have something, let me know."
And you yourself JUST got done saying: "It's a derogatory term for a gay person , usually male.. Shame on you. What would be the reaction if me or kimare starts calling gay men poofs?"
If you hold yourself above insults and name calling, and you recognize a derogatory term for what it is, then what gives? Are you just a hypocrite, or what? Why have you abandoned your OWN principles for civilized conversation?
?
You freaking hypocrite! You accepted it from rosa. LOL Sorry I don't normally play that game, but since that's all you want to play, maybe I will play. Are you saying it's a good derogatory term from your fans but not others? Make up your mind, so many decisions. You were called a poof from rosa but accepted it.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#101645 Jun 19, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>

No, thousands of scientists the world over have said so. People with FAR more training and experience in this field than you have. Or than Obama has, for that matter.
What if it's a possibility? Don't you even CARE what damage we could do to the environment? Do you know what a gyre is?
?
I suggest going to that topic, you are a Liberal fool. The sheep have arrived thinking they have a cause to save us all. When scientists are hired by a Gov. to find something to be true, believe me, they need to eat. It's funny that you would be scammed into it. LOL...I'm all for clean air, drive a car getting 50mpg. and I do all the rest, but the climate always runs in cycles. Many many scientists are admitting it's a scam, I personally am sick of Obama constantly scarring us with doom and gloom, if we listened to gore, San Fran would be under water, bunch of nonsense, if it's too hot move to Seattle, if it rains too much move again or do as most people and not worry about it. If it was proven man is making it hot then cold then tornado then hurricane.......then we would have to destroy china to stop pollution, right now we need jobs here.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#101646 Jun 19, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't do any such thing. You did.
I only noted they are clearly different relationships, and you agreed.
Smile.
Every relationship is different. Duh.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#101647 Jun 19, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Ever heard of mutation and natural selection?
KiMare certainly has.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#101648 Jun 19, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Ever heard of adaptation? I'm assuming you have observed a change of kind, give me an example of this mutation you have observed. Where is your evidence? People are critical to me asking about my proof in my faith. Is it your faith?
Yes I have in native plants. You can plant and watch which ones survive over a short period of time. The same genus and species collected just one-hundred miles away often fail after a couple of years. That's why native plant restoration specialists try to collect seeds from the area to be restored and propagate them. On San Bruno Mountain, near San Francisco, exist a larger variety of manzanita. There are two which have been identified as genetically related. These look very different, yet another looks very similar and is often mistaken, yet is not related genetically. Proof of evolution my friend.

Also, the genome project shows that the human species started somewhere in Africa. The various races prove evolution.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#101649 Jun 19, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
KiMare certainly has.
Not sure KiMare qualifies as a mutation.

mu·ta·tion

/myo&#862;o&#712;t &#257;SH&#601;n/

noun

noun: mutation; plural noun: mutations

1. the action or process of mutating.
"the mutation of ethnic politics into nationalist politics"

synonyms: alteration, change, variation, modification, transformation, metamorphosis, transmutation; More
humoroustransmogrification

"cells that have undergone mutation"

2. the changing of the structure of a gene, resulting in a variant form that may be transmitted to subsequent generations, caused by the alteration of single base units in DNA, or the deletion, insertion, or rearrangement of larger sections of genes or chromosomes.

KiMarie is an anomaly rather than a mutation, which may be transmitted to subsequent generations.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#101650 Jun 19, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
Then why the comment about Christians killing?
I don't know, you brought it up. You asked me why atheists slaughter Christians. I only pointed out that today, they aren't, but in the past BOTH have done so.
RiccardoFire wrote:
The cancer to the world today is Islam. But yet the Liberals embrace it.
The liberals I know embrace religious freedom, and can see that there are many Christians in the world today who would happily deny that freedom to any religion that is NOT Christianity. Muslims have just as much right to build a mosque in Manhattan or Tennessee as Christians have to build churches.

The liberals I know ALSO recognize the dangers of Islam, and that's why we champion a secular government. There is great danger in allowing a national government to become the enforcement arm of a religion, which is why we prevent it here. I wonder what kind of changes we would see in Islamic countries if their religion could be disentangled from their governments. However, I'm sure that's a pipe dream, something unlikely to occur in our life times.

Now this is a MUCH more pleasant conversation.
RiccardoFire wrote:
You freaking hypocrite! You accepted it from rosa.
I wasn't even speaking with Rosa, I didn't "accept" anything.
RiccardoFire wrote:
Are you saying it's a good derogatory term from your fans but not others?
I'm saying that if you think of yourself as "above" derogatory insults, then you should be consistent with that principle.

Don't put this on Rosa. Perhaps Rosa doesn't consider it derogatory. Perhaps I don't. But YOU DID. You said you recognized it as such. If so, then you should put it out of your vocabulary, EVEN IF OTHER PEOPLE USE IT.

I don't happen to think it's particularly derogatory, in fact I'm not really bothered by ANY gay "slur". But I do find it hypocritical to RECOGNIZE a word as derogatory, and then to use it ANYWAY. Especially by someone who says they don't stoop to insults. If you consider it an insult, and then you use it, then you DO stoop.
RiccardoFire wrote:
I suggest going to that topic, you are a Liberal fool.
And, there goes the pleasant conversation. More stooping.
RiccardoFire wrote:
The sheep have arrived thinking they have a cause to save us all.
No, well-trained individuals have identified a problem that demands our attention.
RiccardoFire wrote:
When scientists are hired by a Gov. to find something to be true, believe me, they need to eat.
And when INDEPENDENT scientists from all around the GLOBE agree on the same thing? Scientists don't have their paychecks withheld if they come to a conclusion which a government does not like.
RiccardoFire wrote:
It's funny that you would be scammed into it. LOL...I'm all for clean air, drive a car getting 50mpg. and I do all the rest, but the climate always runs in cycles.
If so, then why are you all for clean air and all the rest? If the climate cannot be damaged by neglecting those things, then why bother?
RiccardoFire wrote:
Many many scientists are admitting it's a scam
Name them please. URL's please. Citations and organizations. "Many many" of them please. I would like to research this army of scientists that you appear to know all about.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#101651 Jun 19, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I have in native plants. You can plant and watch which ones survive over a short period of time. The same genus and species collected just one-hundred miles away often fail after a couple of years. That's why native plant restoration specialists try to collect seeds from the area to be restored and propagate them. On San Bruno Mountain, near San Francisco, exist a larger variety of manzanita. There are two which have been identified as genetically related. These look very different, yet another looks very similar and is often mistaken, yet is not related genetically. Proof of evolution my friend.
Also, the genome project shows that the human species started somewhere in Africa. The various races prove evolution.
Did it ever change into something different then a plant? You just described adapting.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#101652 Jun 19, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
I personally am sick of Obama constantly scarring us with doom and gloom, if we listened to gore, San Fran would be under water
I think that might be an exaggeration. Can you provide the quote where Gore said that?
RiccardoFire wrote:
bunch of nonsense, if it's too hot move to Seattle, if it rains too much move again or do as most people and not worry about it. If it was proven man is making it hot then cold then tornado then hurricane......
Then polar vortexes, then superstorms, then warmer winters that don't eliminate invasive species like bark beetles, then rising food costs due to increased drought, then rising insurance costs due to increased weather-related disasters... it's only getting worse.
RiccardoFire wrote:
then we would have to destroy china to stop pollution
Yes, China is a huge contributor to the problem. Hopefully we can find a more reasonable solution than destroying them. I don't think the nukes we'd need would do much for the air quality.
RiccardoFire wrote:
right now we need jobs here.
We need both. It is possible for us to focus on more than one problem at a time. And working to improve the environment CAN supply jobs, from clean-up efforts to new technologies and emerging industries.

We ALWAYS need to focus on lowering unemployment. When has that NOT been true? But that doesn't mean that we put EVERY other problem aside until we solve the impossible. We'd NEVER get to anything else.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#101653 Jun 19, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>

And when INDEPENDENT scientists from all around the GLOBE agree on the same thing? Scientists don't have their paychecks withheld if they come to a conclusion which a government does not like.
<quoted text>
If so, then why are you all for clean air and all the rest? If the climate cannot be damaged by neglecting those things, then why bother?
<quoted text>
Name them please. URL's please. Citations and organizations. "Many many" of them please. I would like to research this army of scientists that you appear to know all about.
Concensus only has meaning if there is no pressure to conform in either direction. 31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming? But polls show that of scientists working in the field of climate science, and publishing papers on the topic: 97% of the climate scientists surveyed believe “global average temperatures have increased” during the past century; and 97% think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures. What is the significance of these statistics? Global warming alarmists and their allies in the liberal media have been caught doctoring the results of a widely cited paper asserting there is a 97-percent scientific consensus regarding human-caused global warming.

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