Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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“I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SEX.”

Since: Oct 13

Miami, FL

#98091 Mar 19, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Here are my answers: 1: No 2: You spelled it wrong. 3: Asking stupid questions might qualify you. 4: Being a Heterosexual or a Homosexual is not about sex acts. 5: Anything can happen, just watch the news one day. 6: He or she is human, they work sleep eat laugh movies, etc....Just as the Homosexual, the only difference is the Homosexual can be very identifiable, other times we have no idea. Just as the Heterosexual. How did I do?.
You have it all wrong, someone change the questions by making comparisons my questions got nothing to do with Heterosexuals! Just read it again and remove the Heterosexual tittle for the Homosexual.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#98092 Mar 19, 2014
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, one couple is M/F. Another is M/M. Yet another is F/F.
All the couples are equally married.
Except only one couple is really married.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#98093 Mar 19, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
People are not defined by the labels written on the application. A man who gets married become a husband. A woman who gets married becomes a wife. The only change is that each Party can be either. The function of how the marriage serves the couple is identical in each case.
A marriage is defined by the substance of the relationship. A ss couple can't even match half of what marriage is.

Smile.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#98094 Mar 19, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, take that piece of paper and stand by a married couple. Can't tell the difference?
Smirk.
So now you are claiming you can tell a married couple is married just by looking at them?
Can you also tell if someone is Jewish or Christian just by looking?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#98095 Mar 19, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Except only one couple is really married.
Smile.
Simple fact of the matter is that a marriage recognised by the government is a marriage just like any other. Keep clicking your ruby slippers together and expecting your wishes to come true.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#98096 Mar 19, 2014
In the Bible we are taught that all things exist because God wills them to exist.

Therefore if gays and lesbians exist it is because God wills it.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#98097 Mar 19, 2014
KiMare wrote:
A marriage is defined by the substance of the relationship.
Yes, things like love, commitment, devotion, faithfulness, mutual protection, bonding and kinship. THOSE are the "substances" of a relationship. The number of penises and vaginas in a relationship do not provide a relationship with substance.

Your logic could be equally applied to dating, hand-holding, dancing, kissing, Valentine's day, plain old sex, or any number of activities which are "traditionally" male/female. Why not outlaw all that? Why not defend the "substances" of all those relationships?
KiMare wrote:
A ss couple can't even match half of what marriage is.
Ok, you keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it'll affect LOTS of people.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#98098 Mar 19, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
I like Ezra Chapter 1, verses 9-11 specifically.
30 chargers of gold
1000 chargers of silver
29 knives
30 basons of gold
410 basons of silver
+ 1000 other vessels
______
2499 actual total
5400 total given by the Bible
Who edited this thing?
Some Con-artist like KKKiMare.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#98099 Mar 19, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>So now you are claiming you can tell a married couple is married just by looking at them?
Can you also tell if someone is Jewish or Christian just by looking?
KKKiMare just likes to piss gays off. He'll say anything if he thinks it will make you defend yourself.

And KKKiMare is no Christian, let us make no mistake about that!

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#98100 Mar 19, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Simple fact of the matter is that a marriage recognised by the government is a marriage just like any other. Keep clicking your ruby slippers together and expecting your wishes to come true.
The only people who are needed to recognize a marriage are the people involved. Do you know anyone in their right mind who would let KKKiMare be a part of their marriage?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#98101 Mar 19, 2014
DNF wrote:
In the Bible we are taught that all things exist because God wills them to exist.
Therefore if gays and lesbians exist it is because God wills it.
One of the most prominent figures in modern church history, John Calvin, is strongly associated with a belief that is repugnant to most of Christendom, i.e., predestination. Most biblicists believe that God knows what will occur prior to the event but leaves man free to make the choice. In other words, men are free to choose what God already knows will happen. Calvin, on the other hand, stressed biblical pronouncements to the contrary. God doesn't just know ahead of time; he determines it; he fixes it; he plans it; it's his idea. In reality, Calvin viewed free will as myth. In so doing he highlighted one of the most serious, most prominent contradictions in biblical theology--free will versus determinism. His opponents rightly observed that the abolishment of free will destroys moral responsibility. But unfortunately for them literally scores of verses substantiate his position. An exhaustive list in descending order of strength would include the following:

(1) "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,.... Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" (Eph. 1:4-5),
(2) "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called...." (Rom. 8:28-30),
(3) "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" (Acts 13:48),
(4) "But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth" (2 Thess. 2:13),
(5) "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his (not our) own will" (Eph. 1:11),
(6) "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10),
(7) "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you" (John 15:16),
(8) "For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9 RSV),
(9) "A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps" (Prov. 16:9),
(10) "He will carry out what he has planned for me, and of many such matters He is mindful" (Job 23:14 Mod. Lang),
(11) "Only, let every one lead the life which the Lord has assigned to him, and in which God has called him" (1 Cor. 7:17 RSV),
(12) "...your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" (Psalm 139:16 NIV),
(13) "Man's goings are of the Lord; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Prov. 20:24),
(14) "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Matt. 24:3l),(15) "...whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,...." (Rev. 17:8),
(16) "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" (Rev. 20:15),
(17) "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him" (John 6:44),
(18) "...no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father" (John 6:65),
(19) "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call" (Acts 2:39),

To be continued:

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#98102 Mar 19, 2014
Continued:

(20) "Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that prevails" (Prov. 19:21 NIV),
(21) "The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord" (Prov. 16:33),
(22) "Man's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed" (Job 14:5 NIV),
(23) "From one man God made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live" (Acts 17:26 NIV),
(24) "...for that that is determined shall be done" (Dan. 11:36),
(25) "Therefore I endure all things for the elects' sakes that they may obtain the salvation which is in Christ...." (2 Tim. 2:10),(26) "And a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed" (1 Peter 2:8),
(27) "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men,...." (Jude 4),
(28) "Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts" (Psalm 65:4),
(29) "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,...chosen and destined by God the Father...." (1 Peter 1:1-2 RSV),
(30) "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began" (2 Tim. 1:9),
(31) "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved" (Acts 2:47),
(32) "The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord...." (Psalm 37:23),
(33) "Then the King will say to those at his right hand,'Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matt. 25:34 RSV),
(34) "...but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you" (John 15:19),
(35) "All that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (the Devil.) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8),
(36) "Jesus said to them,'You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father'" (Matt. 20:23 NIV),
(37) "They (Herod, Pilate, the Gentiles and the people of Israel) did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen" (Acts 4:28 NIV),
(38) "He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen...." (Acts 10:41 NIV),
(39) "Who (Jesus) verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you" ((1 Peter 1:20), and
(40) "Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" (Jer. 1:4-5).

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#98103 Mar 19, 2014
DNF wrote:
In the Bible we are taught that all things exist because God wills them to exist.
Therefore if gays and lesbians exist it is because God wills it.
I just posted 40 verses, but this one may come in handy more than the others:

"Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that prevails" (Prov. 19:21 NIV),

I know a lot of gays who have tried to be straight, and it failed every time.

Jer. 13:23 NIV, "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#98104 Mar 19, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, things like love, commitment, devotion, faithfulness, mutual protection, bonding and kinship. THOSE are the "substances" of a relationship. The number of penises and vaginas in a relationship do not provide a relationship with substance.
Actually, the only thing of substance you listed is a penis and a vagina...

Smirk.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#98105 Mar 19, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Actually, the only thing of substance you listed is a penis and a vagina...
Oh, brother. You must have some very interesting interpersonal relationships, when you reduce a person's value to their genitals. I couldn't imagine a marriage without the substantive things that I listed, it would be a bitter mess. If those aren't the things that YOU would hope to find in a marriage, then no, we aren't seeking the same thing in a marriage, and I wouldn't want to.
tricki

Boyertown, PA

#98106 Mar 19, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
I like Ezra Chapter 1, verses 9-11 specifically.
30 chargers of gold
1000 chargers of silver
29 knives
30 basons of gold
410 basons of silver
+ 1000 other vessels
______
2499 actual total
5400 total given by the Bible
Who edited this thing?
if you had any proof that the bible was inaccurate and that atheism made sense, you wouldn't use the same discredited arguments over and over

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#98107 Mar 19, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Except only one couple is really married.
Smile.
All of the couples are really married; you refuse to believe they are married.

You're irrelevant. How many SS marriages have you prevented, Mr. Kirschmann?

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#98109 Mar 19, 2014
tricki wrote:
if you had any proof that the bible was inaccurate and that atheism made sense, you wouldn't use the same discredited arguments over and over
I don't know who you are, but as far as I know we've never spoken before now. And I only learned about this Ezra math failure a few says ago. So, I have no idea what you mean by "over and over". When did you hear me say any of this before?

But let's see, proof that the Bible is inaccurate, hmmm... well, the universe wasn't magically poofed into existence in a week, with plants existing before the sun. Humans didn't start from a man dug out of clay and a woman dug out of his ribs, plopped into a magical garden with a talking snake and a tree with the knowledge of good and evil stored within its fruit. Languages were not thrust upon humans as a punishment for cooperating on an architectural project. A man didn't have a conversation with a talking donkey. A woman didn't turn into a pile of salt. A tribe of people didn't slaughter their neighbors for their land and virgin daughters, on the command of the most moral being ever, who just got done saying that "not killing" is one of his top ten rules ever. A flood didn't cover the Earth, mixing all the salt water and fresh water without disastrous results to the fish. One family didn't collect two of every species of animal in the world onto one boat in the Middle East, and they didn't feed and care for all those animals for a year. They didn't repopulate all the lions with only two antelope, nor all the anteaters with only two ants, nor all the parasites and pathogens. They didn't relocate all those animals to disparate environments around the planet. A man didn't ride around inside a fish for three days. A virgin didn't get pregnant. A man didn't walk on water, or replicate food out of thin air, or rise from the dead.

The proof for these things is that the world doesn't work that way. Magic would be required for the world to work that way, but magic is the dream of children and primitive societies. The Bible is just a collection of the ancient cultural myths of the Red Sea region, barely different from the Quran and its magic, the Hindu Vedas, or the stories of Zeus, Odin, Isis, and Quetzalcoatl. Humans have been dreaming up these stories for millennia.

Our best real chance for understanding the truths about the universe are the tools of science. The natural world is the only thing we have any reliable evidence for, so the natural world is the only thing we can make factual pronouncements about. The "supernatural" is nothing but collective speculation. The only thing that can be proven true about the supernatural is that humans enjoy engaging in idle claims about it.

Atheism makes sense to me because none of the stories I've ever heard about gods have been very convincing. I wouldn't invest my trust and belief in anything that isn't supported by good evidence, especially not something so blatantly magical and mythical. I don't claim to know that there can't be any gods, maybe there could be. Maybe there are trillions. I only claim to not have access to that information, so I don't go around saying that any fantastic stories MUST be true. I don't know why anyone would.

“Electronic graffiti”

Since: Jun 13

Camp Cove

#98110 Mar 20, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Rick is NOT on the side of freedom, he believes in using the power of the government to force people to do things that they do not want to do. He justifies this use of force because he believes people should be forced to bake gay wedding cakes against their will because he insists it makes the world better for gay people, and he only cares about gay people.
What he can't seem to grasp is that forcing bigots to serve homosexuals causes laws to be past, although not signed into law, allowing KKKristians to openly, blatantly and in your face discriminate against homosexuals. He turns people who were willing to tolerate homosexuals into people who hate them and want laws passed against them.
Rick In Kansas is no friend to freedom. Sure he wants freedom for gay people as I do, but he stops there and attacks me for wanting as much freedom as is possible for as many people as is possible.
Each of us is entitled to engage with other peaceful consenting adults on a voluntary level, as we see fit and no one has the right to force anyone to cater their wedding. Rick can't understand that. When you force people to accept homosexuality they don't like it and Rick laughs in their face flaunting the unconstitutional power the government has given him.
Rick is not a very nice person.
Anti-discrimination laws have their place. They won't change people's opinions, but they will force them to express them more quietly.

Both sides were testing the water. The cake people who were sued...then there was the law in Arizona. Luckily that wasn't passed.

Without such laws, it would be legal for a baker to refuse to bake a cake for a blackfeller, because they didn't like him marrying a white woman. Or perhaps they had Nazi eugenics ideas about how the happy couple were "defective" and shouldn't breed.

It's only the start of changes.

“Electronic graffiti”

Since: Jun 13

Camp Cove

#98111 Mar 20, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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The only people who are needed to recognize a marriage are the people involved. Do you know anyone in their right mind who would let KKKiMare be a part of their marriage?
Only some dumb bimbo named Sandy. We all pity her.

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