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"Pedophiles ..... blah blah balh......I never bullied anyone as a kid nor am I a bully now. Your mates would have had no reason to attack me. But if they attempted here's guessing MY MATES would have beating the colour out of your mates. We were sporty types not the type who go around getting people beaten up like you imply you were.
False. Females are abused 3:1 while males are abuse 6:1.

Here is another study.
•1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;
http://www.victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting...

• In a study by the U.S. Centers for Disease control of 5,000 college students at over 100 colleges, 20% of women answered "yes" to the question "In your lifetime have you been forced to submit to sexual intercourse against your will?" Thus, one in five college women has been raped at some point in her lifetime.(2)

• 3% of college men report surviving rape or attempted rape as a child or adult.(3)

http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php

•Gender is also a major factor in sexual abuse. Females are 5 times more likely to be abused than males (Sedlack, et. al., 2010). The age of the male being abused also plays a part. 8% of victims age 12-17 are male. 26% of victims under the age of 12 are male (Snyder, 2000).

http://cachouston.org/child-sexual-abuse-fact...

Homosexuality
•The Kinsey Institute Bibliography: Prevalence of Homosexuality
•In an analysis of national survey results from 2006-2008, The percentage reporting their sexual identity as homosexual ranged from 2% to 4% of males, and about 1% to 2% of females. The percentage reporting their sexual identity as bisexual is between 1% and 3% of males, and 2% to 5% of females.(Chandra, Mosher, Copen, and Sionean 2011)
•About 4%–6% of males ever had same-sex contact. For females, the percentage who have ever had same-sex contact ranges from about 4%... to 11%–12%.(Chandra, Mosher, Copen, and Sionean 2011)
•While about 7% of adult women and 8% of men identify as gay, lesbian or bisexual, the proportion of individuals in the U.S. who have had same-gender sexual interactions at some point in their lives is higher.(NSSHB, 2010)
•In a national survey, 90% of men aged 18-44 considered themselves to be heterosexual, 2.3% as homosexual, 1.8% as bisexual, and 3.9% as 'something else'(Mosher, Chandra, & Jones, 2005).
•Among women aged 18-44 in the same survey, 90% said they were heterosexual, 1.3% homosexual, 2.8% bisexual, and 3.8% as 'something else'(Mosher, Chandra, & Jones, 2005).
•The incidence rate of homosexual desire for men is 7.7% and 7.5% for women (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).
•6.2% of men and 4.4% of women are attracted to people of the same sex (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).
•4% of men and 2% of women consider themselves homosexual while 5% of men and 3% of women consider themselves bisexual (Janus & Janus, 1993).
•88.2% of adolescent youths as a Minnesota junior/senior high school described himself or herself as heterosexual, while 1.1% described himself or herself as bisexual or homosexual, and 10.7% were not sure of their sexual orientation (Remafedi, 1992).

CDC shows that around 4% males and 4% females report something other than heterosexual orientation.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/bsc/bsc_ridolfo_...

Defensive much ignorant bully?

Go away. You bore.

Go away moron.
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You know, you might have more productive conversations if you’re less deliberately insulting. Your post is ALSO quite long, and very little of it was relevant to my questions. But instead of being so rudely dismissive, I tried to pick out a few points that require more explanation.
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How do you know this? How have you confirmed it? How can I confirm the same thing? How do these “energies” and “auras” manifest?
I believe that “good” and “evil” are simply labels that we place on behaviors, which either help improve well-being, or cause harm. No mysterious “energies” are needed.
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There have been gay people for millennia. Nature continues to manufacture us. In what exact ways should we fear nature’s retribution?
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What is a “Messiah”, and what guarantee is there that one will ever exist? Why do we need one? What will this Messiah do if he or she ever arrives? Why do you say this is close to “truth”? Again, how did you confirm this truth, and how can I confirm the same thing?
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Plenty of gay people genuinely believe in God. I am not one of them, but you should ASK people what they believe rather than just ASSERT it for them without even consulting them. Some gay people see something in the story of David and Jonathan, or Ruth and Naomi. It doesn’t involve “manipulating” the Bible, it only involves “interpreting” it, and everyone interprets the Bible in their own way.
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If we’ll feel like there is nothing wrong with how we live, then how would that qualify as “doomed”?
And how do you know this will happen? What has told you this? Once again, how did you confirm this information, and how can I confirm the same?
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Just because something is “traditional” does not automatically mean it is “good”. Slavery was once a tradition, and many people fought hard to keep it that way. Traditions should be examined to see if they are worth keeping.
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Which rules would you set for homosexuals, that you would be willing to obey yourself?
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What is it that you WANT? Do you feel something has been taken from you?
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As I said above, good and evil are behaviors measuring harm. It does not harm you if the person I love is the same gender as me. It does not harm you if I decide not to form beliefs about supernatural claims until there is evidence to support such claims. These are not valid reasons to call someone “evil”. Can you more clearly explain the standards you use to determine what is “good” and what is “evil”?
Lots of people hide behind religion while feigning secular values, they can't distinguish ethics from religious concepts, they believe to some degree that religious dogma preceded ethics. Mandingy constantly references the Bible while attempting to distance himself from it, his behavior and actions are the the exact antithesis of his contentions. The Unholy Trinity believe that knowledge concerning sexual orientation and fairness to all humans either homosexual or heterosexual is a state or government plot, or a plot by the devil to create more homosexuals, their thinking is similar to the thinking of the radical survivalist movement.

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They would describe it as a hate group same as they did Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and many others who opposed a state agenda.
Spreading homosexuality is a state agenda, to disembowel humanity.
The hate group/bullies and everything else are what you are. Anyone who doubts this should just observe the way you corruptors comport yourselves here. You gang up on people and try and intimidate them every way you can.
More malicious lies from our resident bully.
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More malicious lies from our resident bully.
Those big gay hairy men are going to disembowel humanity according to mandingy! It won't be nuclear proliferation, religious sectarian violence, radical fundamentalism, world wars, or famines or plaques, that destroy humankind, but big hairy homosexual men.

LoL Susceptible heterosexuals like Mandingy will first notice the same sex married couple down the street, the next thing he will know is his heterosexuality will be gone, and as the gay virus moves through the air more and more heterosexuals will become infected. The first symptom of being exposed to the gay virus is a penchant for interior design and wanting to watch episodes of Project Runway, after those symptoms take control all humanity will be disemboweled.
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The Gay Virus Rated R

Starring - Mandingy as Homosexual virus expert Joel Ohno Imightbegay
Kimare as fundamentalist psuedo -scientist Fred Phelps II
MUQ as anti-gay virus specialist and leader of MHQ
Ted Haggart as himself
Jimmy Swaggert as himself
Newt Gingrich as himself

Note: The MHQ is the organization Muhammad Hates Queers
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Heres something interesting

June 10, 2002
Timothy J. Dailey, Ph.D.
FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL
801 G Street N.W.
Washington, DC 2001

Dear Dr. Dailey:

On the web site www.frc.org you reference my work in your article on “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse”. I am writing you to object to my name and research being associated in any way, shape, or form to lend legitimacy to the views proposed in your paper.

If you are, in fact, familiar with my research, you must realize that my studies have indicated that homosexual males pose less risk of sexual harm to children (both male and female)—from both an absolute and a percentage incidence rate—than heterosexual males. Your statement that “the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners” appears to come from the assumption that if an adult male is attracted to a male child, this adult male’s sexual orientation is ipso facto homosexual.

Since your report, in my view, misrepresents the facts of what we know about this matter from scientific investigation, and does not indicate that my studies on this topic reach conclusions diametrically opposed to yours; I would appreciate your removing any reference to my work in your paper lest it appear to the reader that my research supports your views."

Yours truly,
A. Nicholas Groth, Ph.D.

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Those big gay hairy men are going to disembowel humanity according to mandingy! It won't be nuclear proliferation, religious sectarian violence, radical fundamentalism, world wars, or famines or plaques, that destroy humankind, but big hairy homosexual men.
LoL Susceptible heterosexuals like Mandingy will first notice the same sex married couple down the street, the next thing he will know is his heterosexuality will be gone, and as the gay virus moves through the air more and more heterosexuals will become infected. The first symptom of being exposed to the gay virus is a penchant for interior design and wanting to watch episodes of Project Runway, after those symptoms take control all humanity will be disemboweled.
That's because he is running from himself. This is what he is afraid of.

"Homophobic men were the most sexually aroused by gay male sex acts."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-q...

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You know perfectly well that this statement is answered you ludicrous, deceptive lying pervert.
"Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.
The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse"
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The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse Here is the reply to that;
But you are so stupid you stated the truth yourself while still claiming the article was lying!!!!!!! in absolute numbers there are only more young girls abused because there is a much greater percent of heterosexuals. But comparatively 1% population of homosexual males cause a disproportionate amount of child abuse that more than triples the amount of girls molested by the hetero version of you people.
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Because it is the truth; how many of you homo's on here were also abused?
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You big hairy aggressive queen playing fairies can pretend you are being bullied all you want. There are only three people here brave enoug to stand up to the strong arm tactics of the gay mafia. Dilmare, Muq and me.
Others are too scared, but the political landscape should tell you that we three are not the only ones who know this is wrong.
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm...

You forgot your source, plagiarist. Keep pushing a hate group's propaganda there, Goebbels.

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Here we go lmao!! The racism is starting to come out, the homo's who pretend to be all about human rights.
First of all I have a job and work very hard you Brazilian pervert. Secondly I know for a fact from these blogs that the people who mention things like this are simply projecting. You don't have a job and this is why you think of this.
Thirdly 36, million people live in Uganda and love living there, do you really think most have a problem living there or that I who has lived in three and still lives in one will have a problem living in Uganda? Get real and lose your narrow minded Western idea of how Africans hate living in Africa. Try and visit, so I can show you the amount of Americans and Europeans who try to relocate to Africa.
Don't think you can say shit like that to some who has actually been and lived over 15 years in Africa. Save those kind of comments for African Americans who you have taught to hate themselves and who do everything to distance themselves from who they are.
Thanks for proving who the racist is. I'm neither Brazilian nor a pervert, but it shows just what your mentality is.

I feel for the Africans who are targeted by hateful bigots like yourself, as much as anyone who is.

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They would describe it as a hate group same as they did Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and many others who opposed a state agenda.
Spreading homosexuality is a state agenda, to disembowel humanity.
The hate group/bullies and everything else are what you are. Anyone who doubts this should just observe the way you corruptors comport yourselves here. You gang up on people and try and intimidate them every way you can.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
- Josef Goebbels

Keep lying...

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,?
We can follow the paper trail left by religion. Religion isn't about open minds, it’s about replacing common sense with religious faith & xenophobia.

The objective is for you to think inside the BOX it provides. We focus on what the holy books say not their origin.

Islam, Judaism and Christianity are 1 religion with different cultural interpretations. Those interpretation have been tailored to specific people's cultures.

Ibrahim, Abraham, Abram, Moses Musa, Solomon Suleiman, Dawud, David, D&#257;w&#299;&#76 95;, etc. Only central characters differ; I.e., Epistles the Talmud and the Sunnah instruct. And for those supremacist Christians who want to start screaming Christianity isn't Islam, save your breath it is.
Ancient Egyptian religions acted as a catalyst for all 3. Jesus is Horus. There are many lists online showing were MEN plagiarised the idea of the son (SUN) of God from.(Rising and ascending).

Abraham is Hammurabi (a real ruler, who lived in the same period). He was the first ruler to present a set of rules and laws on a tablet of stone. Hammurabi's code. The church is aligned with the state and the states agenda. All those stories about killing unbelievers in both the bible and Koran; (simply helps leaders gain power through war). A states agenda always seems to conveniently falls into place with the perception of the church/Mosque. You're always fighting for GOD against unbelievers,(the war on terror),(really the war on oil rich Arab states). Even the crusades were a war to control trade routes (Silk road) Religions is a tool. Despite claims to secularism a state is founded on religion (Christmas or Eid?). This is just a basic outline.

Religion is as fake as politicians. it intermingles historical and fundamental truths with STATE lies.

"How do these “energies” and “auras” manifest?"

Everything you do has a ripple effect, an action doesn't end with its execution. Everything has a result, which are not necessarily those we expect. When you tell a lie you act like you told a lie, your mannerisms change. The lie detector test is based on this. Sometimes whole societies are built on historical lies known only by an elite who tell us only what they feel we should know. But because they/we live that lie, their/our kids pick up certain mannerisms through proximity to parents. Kids pick up moods and mannerisms without understanding them. Other things will relate to that mood. We even pick up guilt without knowing why? It's basic psychology, don't mistake it with religion. Religion uses psychology to brainwash. It exploits a need to believe in something greater than us). The state controls religion and through it us. The doctrine of original sin is psychological not religious.

That there have been gays a millennia doesn't make it right. As long as there are people there will be gays because they're people. But it's a malfunction & mistake. Homosexuality goes nowhere. Everything that is real has a point, homosexuality has none.

Messiah means the anointed, a saviour. Judaism is the only religion with a realistic approach to the concept. They say he will be real flesh and blood and not super human, he could also be anyone. Let me say Christians are buffoons. All men who tried to save us from what an elite are preparing for us are messiahs. Christianity diverts you from following these men. Religion is a colonist.

Gays think they believe in GOD, but it is a level of belief, we all have that capacity. But gays are inherently dishonest and hell-bound (according to religion).

"And how do you know this will happen"

I won't say.

There is more in tradition that is good. Today profit considerations come first. Tradition made rules based on powerful instincts, we are now trained not to be instinctive but to obey.

"Which rules would you set for homosexuals, that you would be willing to obey yourself?"

Stop being caricatures of male & female.

“Let the games begin. . .”

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The Gay Virus Rated R
Starring - Mandingy as Homosexual virus expert Joel Ohno Imightbegay
Kimare as fundamentalist psuedo -scientist Fred Phelps II
MUQ as anti-gay virus specialist and leader of MHQ
Ted Haggart as himself
Jimmy Swaggert as himself
Newt Gingrich as himself
Note: The MHQ is the organization Muhammad Hates Queers
You forgot a couple of them there.

Starring George Rekers as himself.
Starring Man Dingbat as the Luggage Lifter and general FRC bitch.

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Toby wrote:
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June 10, 2002
Timothy J. Dailey, Ph.D.
FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL
801 G Street N.W.
Washington, DC 2001
Dear Dr. Dailey:
On the web site www.frc.org you reference my work in your article on “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse”. I am writing you to object to my name and research being associated in any way, shape, or form to lend legitimacy to the views proposed in your paper.
If you are, in fact, familiar with my research, you must realize that my studies have indicated that homosexual males pose less risk of sexual harm to children (both male and female)—from both an absolute and a percentage incidence rate—than heterosexual males. Your statement that “the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners” appears to come from the assumption that if an adult male is attracted to a male child, this adult male’s sexual orientation is ipso facto homosexual.
Since your report, in my view, misrepresents the facts of what we know about this matter from scientific investigation, and does not indicate that my studies on this topic reach conclusions diametrically opposed to yours; I would appreciate your removing any reference to my work in your paper lest it appear to the reader that my research supports your views."
Yours truly,
A. Nicholas Groth, Ph.D.
Good on him! I have the greatest respect for people who stand up for the truth, whether ordinary or experts like him.

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
- Josef Goebbels
Keep lying...
Except the state in your case is your greatest advocate and support. Idiot just posted pretty much what I have been saying.

“Let the games begin. . .”

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Except the state in your case is your greatest advocate and support. Idiot just posted pretty much what I have been saying.
He admitted it! Everything u say is the Big Lie.

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Lots of people hide behind religion while feigning secular values, they can't distinguish ethics from religious concepts, they believe to some degree that religious dogma preceded ethics.
"Lots" of people do this? Has this really been your experience? I've certainly encountered many people who believe they have secular reasons to oppose gay rights or same-sex marriage (although they're never very GOOD reasons), but I have to say that Mandigowillsay's reliance on religious-style speech and imagery, while claiming to be non-religious, is a new one to me.

Although I'd never hope that there'd be MORE people like this in the world, it's certainly an unusual phenomenon, and I'd be curious about learning more about how people like that form their beliefs. Where do you run into most of these people? Are they on other sites besides Topix? Most people here who oppose gay rights are either the deep-seated Bible thumper types, or they're the kinds who think they can sum up all scientific knowledge by just describing what bothers them. This whole "I don't believe the Bible, but the Bible says..." thing is bizarre and fascinating.

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mandingowillsay wrote:
We focus on what the holy books say not their origin.
Why would we do that? Once we’ve discredited the book, we can stop looking to it for any guidance. If there are pearls of wisdom in it, they can be found elsewhere, and probably in a better form. If there’s no valid way to sort the good passages from the garbage, then the wise course is to chuck it ALL and start from scratch.
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Islam, Judaism and Christianity are 1 religion with different cultural interpretations.
I have no need of a history lesson on the Bible. I’m aware of its ties to Islam and Judaism, I know who Hammurabi was, etc. We can skip all that.
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Religion is as fake as politicians. it intermingles historical and fundamental truths with STATE lies.
Don’t confuse the theocratic “state” of the Bible with our 3-branch “checks and balances” modern government. Our government isn’t perfect by a long shot, and religion certainly presses against the restraints that we’ve put in place with our Constitution, but at least we HAVE some semblance of restraint.
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Everything you do has a ripple effect, an action doesn't end with its execution.
Ok, but that only explains how our ACTIONS manifest. It doesn’t explain how these "energies" you spoke of manifest. Energies exist along the electromagnetic spectrum. How have you measured these “auras” to confirm that they exist? How can I measure them? Were you being completely literal when you spoke of them, or was it more metaphor?
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That there have been gays a millennia doesn't make it right.
Define this use of the word “right”.
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But it's a malfunction & mistake.
Prove it. Show me the conclusive research. Confirm that homosexuality cannot be nature’s response to overpopulation.

But hey, it’s possible that you’re right. Homosexuality could in fact be a “malfunction”. But, so what? Many “malfunctions” influence the human body, from blindness to cerebral palsy to Abigail and Brittany Hensel. That doesn’t mean that we CONDEMN people with malfunctions, or shame them, or lock them outside of social convention. Instead, we take steps to smooth their inclusion into society. We build ramps and print Braille.
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Messiah means the anointed, a saviour.
But a savior from what? Why do we need one? Where will this savior come from? What will he do when he gets here? How will we know him? What if more than one person claims this title? What if no one ever does?

The expectation of a savior is an entirely mythical concept. It has no value in reality. It's nonsense.
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But gays are inherently dishonest and hell-bound (according to religion).
But you don’t believe in religion, right? So you don’t agree with that. Right?
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"And how do you know this will happen"
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I won't say.
Then I’m sure you'll understand when I have trouble accepting your claims as true. In fact, your reluctance to share your information makes me instantly suspicious. You should be OPEN to proving your claims, if they are provable.
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Tradition made rules based on powerful instincts, we are now trained not to be instinctive but to obey.
Then we should put effort into RE-training ourselves to assess traditions rationally to see if they should be jettisoned.
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"Which rules would you set for homosexuals, that you would be willing to obey yourself?"
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Stop being caricatures of male & female.
I don’t even understand what this means. How does this represent an over-stepping of human rights, or even a “rule” that can be applied in any practical way?
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He admitted it! Everything u say is the Big Lie.
You have to wonder why Mandingy is posting material from the FRC, an organization that advocates Christian based intelligent design and Christian precepts, when he says over and over again that he believes the Bible to be " a pile of shit".

He incessantly references the Bible and then says it's invalid and a myth, quote," God says you're an abomination, that's not what I say that's what God says!." He says he believes the Bible to be mythical fiction however he now references the FRC. It's similar to expressing opposition to fascism but then quoting Hitler and Mussolini , it's bizarre behavior.

The FRC supports prayer in public schools, Christian based intelligent design, it opposes civil rights laws to include sexual orientation, it wants all abortions, even early abortions to be illegal, it also rejects Global warming. Like I have said before mandingy will post the very antithesis of his contentions. He doesn't care if you're gay or straight but he's quick to accentuate that you're a fag, or a sick homo, or a homo enabler, etc..

He will say in one breath that the Bible is total garbage but with the next breath that God said fags are abominations. Lately he seems to really be falling apart with extreme emotional reactions, adult (temper tantrums) to posters who disagree with him. He wants to label homosexuals collectively as bullies, yet he utilizes bully tactics in his attempt to accomplish it, he's like a little Neo-nazi beating a perceived inferior while vociferously proclaiming his repulsion for discrimination, fascism and persecution.

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"Lots" of people do this? Has this really been your experience? I've certainly encountered many people who believe they have secular reasons to oppose gay rights or same-sex marriage (although they're never very GOOD reasons), but I have to say that Mandigowillsay's reliance on religious-style speech and imagery, while claiming to be non-religious, is a new one to me.
Although I'd never hope that there'd be MORE people like this in the world, it's certainly an unusual phenomenon, and I'd be curious about learning more about how people like that form their beliefs. Where do you run into most of these people? Are they on other sites besides Topix? Most people here who oppose gay rights are either the deep-seated Bible thumper types, or they're the kinds who think they can sum up all scientific knowledge by just describing what bothers them. This whole "I don't believe the Bible, but the Bible says..." thing is bizarre and fascinating.
Yea lots of people do this, their called hypocrites, there are millions of hypocrites in the world. When has hypocrisy and disingenuous behavior ever been a phenomenon ?
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But you're right Edmond it is bizarre.

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