Is homosexuality a sin?

Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#97656 Mar 5, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
A saviour can come from anywhere all it requires is a willingness to speak out and tell the truth fearlessly.
Well, that’s not really a “savior” by the religious recognition of the word. This is part of what I find confusing about you. Why do you use such religiously-charged words, if you don’t intend to give strength to religious concepts?
mandingowillsay wrote:
But homosexual rights is not part of the liberation or emancipation of man
Does this mean that you think there should be laws which control what kind of sex people are allowed to have?
mandingowillsay wrote:
Rights for homosexuals will not make like any better for Aboriginal Australians.
It will for GAY Aboriginal Australians.
mandingowillsay wrote:
You say the idea of a saviour is a mythical concept, it's not. Che Guevara was trying to save people and was metaphorically speaking crucified.
I’m sure he saved some people. He also killed some people. Your use of the word savior is ambiguous at best, and might be contradicted by people who hold a different perspective. Your over-use of religious metaphor only clouds your message.

But my entire point has nothing to do with the effectiveness of revolutionaries. I’m only saying that you purposely fill your posts with a LOT of religious phrases and symbology. This gives the impression that you DO respect religion a great deal. It also empowers religious people into thinking that they have more supporters than they actually do.

It also makes you difficult to understand. Each statement you make needs explaining on whether you are being literal or metaphoric.
mandingowillsay wrote:
You believe everyone is treated fairly? Aboriginals?
I’m not sure why you’re so stuck on Aboriginals. Are they being told who they are allowed to marry?

Many people in the world are being treated unfairly. But don’t condemn the people who fight for their OWN causes, just because they aren’t also fighting for the ones you favor.
mandingowillsay wrote:
"But you don’t believe in religion"
Yep!! I don't believe in religion, so spare me your paper thin rebuttals that claim saviors and messiah can only mean religion.
You attempt to refute what I say with the flimsiest line of attack.
My question is, if you don’t believe in religion, then why do you put so much stock in religious teachings? Why hate gay people due to what the Bible says, when you value nothing ELSE of what the Bible says?
mandingowillsay wrote:
Please be as suspicious as you like pal!!!
I certainly will, if you deliberately hide information, and refuse to answer direct questions. When you claim to have knowledge of the future, you should be prepared for people to ask you how you got that information. When you tell them “I won’t say”, few people are going to just accept that and assume that you DO have valid information about the future. They are going to assume that you DON’T have any such knowledge, and that you already know that if you were to reveal your alleged source, it would be SERIOUSLY questioned. You would expect no less from me, to avoid being vague or secretive about my own claims.

And I’m still trying to get more information about these “energies” and “auras” you spoke of, which manifest “good” and “evil”. You have veered the conversation FAR afield from this subject, and I’m still very curious about these claims. You have not explained what these energies ARE. How are they measured? Can anyone measure them? Are they part of the electromagnetic spectrum? Do people “tap” into these energies in some way? You have made a claim about the existence of energies which influence the human behaviors of kindness and harm, and I want to know what information you have about them.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#97657 Mar 5, 2014
KiMare wrote:
I simply note that denial in any group of people hurts themselves and others.
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Who is in denial here? What do you call it when you tell OTHER people how they are expected to feel, and they tell you NO, we don't feel that?

If I feel NO harm during anal sex, then why should I feel it JUST because you say so?

If I am completely healthy despite decades of anal sex, why should I mistrust my own health JUST because you say so?

If I don't feel demeaned AT ALL by anal sex, why should I feel that JUST because you say so?

There is a SERIOUS overload of denial in anyone who tells others what emotions they should be having, and yet ignores every single person who tells him that they feel NONE of what he is dictating. Your repetition is not going to cause ANY harmful, unhealthy or demeaning feelings-by-proxy in anyone.

mandingowillsay

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#97658 Mar 5, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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"that’s not really a “savior” by the religious recognition of the word. This is part of what I find confusing about you"

Edmond you are you are a straight up idiot, I'm not giving you a religious recognition of the word; (YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO FORCE THAT DEFINITION INTO THE MIX).

The definition of saviour;

"a person who saves, rescues, or delivers: the savior of the country"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/saviou...

You do realize this point is made? I will not respond if you insist in trying to force YOUR OWN religious definition on me again. I just wish homosexuals were given to honesty so they could you are being delusional.

Oh! All that makes ME confusing to you is your continued refusal to accept answers I give.
You replace all my answers with your own definitions, because you want to make a point and can't make a point if you accept my answers.

"Why do you use such religiously-charged words, if you don’t intend to give strength to religious concepts?"

I don't lmao! You claim I do by pretending saviour only has a religious definition.

"Does this mean that you think there should be laws which control what kind of sex people are allowed to have"

No!

"It will for GAY Aboriginal Australians"

How do you know? You imply that Aboriginals will then be allowed and privy to the same rights as Australians with European descent?

"I’m sure he saved some people. He also killed some people"

He fought against those who wanted to restrict freedoms for all. He wasn't fighting for the right to fuck men women or kids. There are massive differences between his ilk and people like you.

"Your use of the word savior is ambiguous at best"

It's not, only your refusal to accept my and the dictionaries definition of saviour is.

"and might be contradicted by people who hold a different perspective"

Yep but this is what having a different perspective does right?

"Your over-use of religious metaphor only clouds your message"

Yawn! What religious metaphor clouds my message?

"But my entire point has nothing to do with the effectiveness of revolutionaries"

I don't care about your point, You asked a question I gave MY answer; I haven't asked you anything. A gay agenda is a gay agenda that is it.

"you purposely fill your posts with a LOT of religious phrases and symbology"

Edmond, stop thinking I care how you see anything! You asked a question I answered. I'm not trying to convert you,do you understand?

"This gives the impression that you DO respect religion a great deal"

Everything you've said to bring you to that conclusion has been false and your own assertion.

"It also empowers religious people into thinking they've more supporters than they actually do"

I'm not trying to empower religion I'd rather empower people (if I can), we can't have everything.

"It also makes you difficult to understand"

That could be me? But more than likely it is your refusal to accept things even when I can back what I say.

"Each statement you make needs explaining on whether you are being literal or metaphoric"

You repeat a lot! I established you refuse to accept or ignore answers to your questions then you give your own answer claiming others should explain themselves according to the premise you set. give you a quick hint. You stubbornly drawing people down to your narrow level of understanding, refusing people the right to give their own answers.

"OWN causes, just because they aren’t also fighting for the ones you favor"

Gay people need to open their minds I'm not speaking of just one group or cause that can be fought for. But the homosexual mindset is self absorbed and really has no empathy for all these people. He cares about filling his ass. They are despicable people.

Continued.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#97659 Mar 5, 2014
Wow, the violent, hateful, bully troll behavior, the gay twirl deceit, the abject denial over a clear medical fact;

Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#97661 Mar 5, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Wow, the violent, hateful, bully troll behavior, the gay twirl deceit, the abject denial over a clear medical fact;
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
LOL, I'm still not feeling harmed, unhealthy or demeaned yet.

Does it take some time to set in? Am I doing it wrong? When do these feelings begin? If I go to my doctor and he tells me I'm healthy, should I tell him he's wrong?

I'm sure I'm SUCH a big bully for not feeling the emotions that you insist I should be feeling.

Hey, I've got some bills to pay off. Do me a favor and tell me I'm rich, so I can take care of that.

mandingowillsay

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#97662 Mar 5, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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LOL, I'm still not feeling harmed, unhealthy or demeaned yet.
Does it take some time to set in? Am I doing it wrong? When do these feelings begin? If I go to my doctor and he tells me I'm healthy, should I tell him he's wrong?
I'm sure I'm SUCH a big bully for not feeling the emotions that you insist I should be feeling.
Hey, I've got some bills to pay off. Do me a favor and tell me I'm rich, so I can take care of that.
Don't lie to us just because you have an audience. People say what they like because they believe you can't see what is in their hearts and heads. These feelings are usually a feeling which I doubt you have the courage to admit to.

Everything homos do shows that very few of them are really at ease with who they are. Like the crew who pretend blindly that the bible does not condemn them, or those who hope getting a piece of paper that says they married their bum-buddy will help them feel that they are not doing wrong. But you know the truth and so do we.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#97663 Mar 5, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't lie to us just because you have an audience. People say what they like because they believe you can't see what is in their hearts and heads. These feelings are usually a feeling which I doubt you have the courage to admit to.
Everything homos do shows that very few of them are really at ease with who they are. Like the crew who pretend blindly that the bible does not condemn them, or those who hope getting a piece of paper that says they married their bum-buddy will help them feel that they are not doing wrong. But you know the truth and so do we.
Then by your logic, you are blaming God for your homo fear? Or did God create gays to haunt you? Are you being punished? People always and should always say what they like. What does a homo do that you personally have seen? Or watching a lot of gay porn. How can the Bible stories, as written in that time for those people clearly give you a command for today and the modern world? Are we supposed to live like a Muslim too?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#97664 Mar 5, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you know the word Homosexual was coined by a German sex researcher at the very end of the 19th century?
Sexual orientation is simply who one is attracted too ignoramus. Why are you here abusing people like this? Your behavior is horrible. The Bible says so.
1 Peter 4:15
Matthew 7:1
Quoting Bible to people?

Wow!!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#97665 Mar 5, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Wow, the violent, hateful, bully troll behavior, the gay twirl deceit, the abject denial over a clear medical fact;
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Turn away for sin and live like Jesus.

When are you going to stop posting this stupid shit?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#97666 Mar 5, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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Quoting Bible to people?
Wow!!
The Bible is a book of wisdom except in the hands of stupid people.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#97667 Mar 5, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
Don't lie to us just because you have an audience. People say what they like because they believe you can't see what is in their hearts and heads. These feelings are usually a feeling which I doubt you have the courage to admit to.
Everything homos do shows that very few of them are really at ease with who they are. Like the crew who pretend blindly that the bible does not condemn them, or those who hope getting a piece of paper that says they married their bum-buddy will help them feel that they are not doing wrong. But you know the truth and so do we.
There's no talking to you. If you feel justified in asserting what other people feel, even when they explicitly tell you they don't feel that way, then clear and open communication is utterly impossible.

If you think that it's "wrong" for people to pursue a partner who suits them best and makes them happiest, then your concepts of right and wrong are unrecognizable.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#97668 Mar 6, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no talking to you. If you feel justified in asserting what other people feel, even when they explicitly tell you they don't feel that way, then clear and open communication is utterly impossible.
If you think that it's "wrong" for people to pursue a partner who suits them best and makes them happiest, then your concepts of right and wrong are unrecognizable.
The open discussion means that every one has equal say in the matter.

The question is not what people are doing, the question is if "These Homosexuals" are as "Normal" as Normal people, and obviously they are not.

It is this question which is under discussion. Justification on the basis of "Sexual Orientation" and "Consenting adults" are just smoke screens made to confuse the real nature of this type of sexual alliance.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#97669 Mar 6, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible is a book of wisdom except in the hands of stupid people.
No, Bible is a book of Wisdom, "Except" when it says some thing that goes against your own beliefs, like prescribing punishment for Sodomy and Lesbianism!!

Why do you not speak the truth?

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#97670 Mar 6, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not trying to matter here, only you mincing fairies are trying to matter and get in everyones head and face.
Nope. I have not interest "getting in you head". My interest is my constitutionally guaranteed rights. If that frost your cookies, tough titty.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#97671 Mar 6, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
No if you're doing it correctly.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#97672 Mar 6, 2014
Not*

mandingowillsay

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#97673 Mar 6, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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LOL, I'm still not feeling harmed, unhealthy or demeaned yet.
Does it take some time to set in? Am I doing it wrong? When do these feelings begin? If I go to my doctor and he tells me I'm healthy, should I tell him he's wrong?
I'm sure I'm SUCH a big bully for not feeling the emotions that you insist I should be feeling.
Hey, I've got some bills to pay off. Do me a favor and tell me I'm rich, so I can take care of that.
"LOL, I'm still not feeling harmed, unhealthy or demeaned yet.
Does it take some time to set in?"

Since you live a certain way and have probably always lived that way (never been clean) it's unlikely you'll feel you're missing a better life or even understand how you live as dirty & demeaning.

That is why it is waste of time telling you this, better for like minded people to put their heads together and stop you people spreading your destructive gay agenda to impressionable youth. You ply them your trade with buzzwords designed to deceive or mislead.

Politically correct phrases like perfectly normal,'nothing wrong' same sex LOVING, lmao!

And then going on to claim the bible doesn't condemn you both explicitly and implicitly, then to top that you invade the sanctity of marriage to further con people you are (another phrase); just like heterosexuals.

You are not and you will never be we know that and you know that.

That's why fairies and poofs exist in a kind of time warp, limbo, sometimes acting overly feminine and pretending to be A WEAKER SEX and other time they have big massive steroid muscles, and moustaches like Freddie Mercury playing that they are the epitome of masculinity.

You do not exist apart from men or women but try to con the world that you do as such need your own marriages. Which like I said is not a fucking right!! Since when was marriage a right? Have Blacks, Jews or anyone ever been stopped from marrying fellow Blacks or Jews? No they have not,(and I'm not talking about interracial marriages). But homos were traditionally stopped from marrying each other. the real reason is not that you were stopped just that anyone can tell you those marriages are meaningless and nonsense, and just examples of you idiots trying to validate yourselves by doing something heteros do.

mandingowillsay

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#97675 Mar 6, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no talking to you. If you feel justified in asserting what other people feel, even when they explicitly tell you they don't feel that way, then clear and open communication is utterly impossible.
If you think that it's "wrong" for people to pursue a partner who suits them best and makes them happiest, then your concepts of right and wrong are unrecognizable.
Says the person who tries to force their own opinion of what saviour is on me, then had the temerity to tell me that the way I defined a saviour is not the "religions recognition" of the word.

Do you get yet that I am not talking about a religious definition of the world and only YOU INSIST ON giving one so it can suit the claim you want to make but can't if you only but accept my definition, which after all is in several dictionaries?

A male partner does not suit any person better, nor does a female partner suit a female better. Maybe it only suits you better based on who you want to have sex with and are attracted to. These are two very different things.

mandingowillsay

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#97676 Mar 6, 2014
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Nope. I have not interest "getting in you head". My interest is my constitutionally guaranteed rights. If that frost your cookies, tough titty.
You have not been given any rights!! What frigging rights have you been given you moron? You still think marriage is a right? Show anywhere historically were marriage is described as a right?

And I'm talking about the Geneva human rights act. You are a pawn in a game that is it.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#97677 Mar 6, 2014
MUQ wrote:
The open discussion means that every one has equal say in the matter.
It's not like I told him he couldn't post anymore. He can say whatever he wants.
MUQ wrote:
The question is not what people are doing, the question is if "These Homosexuals" are as "Normal" as Normal people, and obviously they are not.
Neither are red-heads, left-handers, or musical geniuses. That doesn't mean we treat them like social outsiders.

What IS it with religion, which makes people treat others so poorly? It causes people to isolate themselves among their "tribe", scorning and shunning those who are different. And don't get me started on how religion twists people's attitudes about sex, as if there never was a more important standard by which to judge a person's worth.
MUQ wrote:
It is this question which is under discussion. Justification on the basis of "Sexual Orientation" and "Consenting adults" are just smoke screens made to confuse the real nature of this type of sexual alliance.
And what is the "real nature" of it? What "secret agenda" are you going to reveal, that I don't even know about? What limitations would YOU put on consenting adults?

There is no POINT to discussion if you're speaking with someone who feels the need to TELL you when you should feel harmed, unhealthy or demeaned, and when you tell them you DON'T feel any of those things, they just tell you that you're lying. There's no "discussion" with people who can flatly tell you that you don't feel what you feel, and that no amount of self description will be considered valid.

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