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KiMare wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L ist_of_U.S._state_constitution al_amendments_banning_same-sex _unions_by_type
That's nice. Watch them fall, one by one. It's already started. The last hold outs will all go together in one fell swooop, I expect.

Constitutional amendments can still be unconstitutional.

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KiMare wrote:
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I agree.
Smirk.
Is a Smirk those little blue cartoon characters?

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Zachary Gima wrote:
<quoted text>Is a Smirk those little blue cartoon characters?
No, I look like Bruce Willis with the smirk when idiots say dumb things.

SMirk.

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EdmondWA wrote:
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That's nice. Watch them fall, one by one. It's already started. The last hold outs will all go together in one fell swooop, I expect.
Constitutional amendments can still be unconstitutional.
And so can laws, which is why ss couples will only ever be mutually sterile pointlessly duplicate gendered halves of marriage.

Smile.

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Zachary Gima wrote:
Is a Smirk those little blue cartoon characters?
Those are the Smurfs, the Smirks are their hermaphroditic genetic mosh pit "cousins" and are kinda purple. Their creator is just this side of copyright infringement as a badly drawn parody.

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EdmondWA wrote:
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I really don't care about "thumbs up". I'm more interested in hearing what real people have to say, in their own words, showing that they've thought out their position logically and reasonably. When they huff and puff about thumbs up icons, instead of addressing individiual points directly, then I have to start thinking that they HAVEN'T thought their position out very deeply.
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What KiMare (I don't think there's an L in there) is saying is that a same-sex marriage is not what HE considers marriage. What I keep telling him is that no one CARES what he personally thinks marriage is. He's not in charge of administering it.
Some people don't think that an interracial marriage is really a marriage. But does that mean that the people IN an interracial marriage must LISTEN to such opinions?
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It's you deliberately misunderstanding the issue, that's what it is. Two married men are both husbands. Wives are females who are married. Husbands are men who are married. It's as simple as that. Go ahead and make it complicated and confusing for yourself if you like. It has no bearing on my life or my marriage.
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Yes, actually, that's exactly what it does. The state says we're married, the state says we get all the same rights and benefits as any other marriage, the state will recognize every last aspect of our marriage the same as any other marriage. All this takes place on planet Earth, right here in Reality.
Just because you don't like these facts doesn't mean I need to give your opinion any weight. Only the opinion of the state matters to me. I'm not sure if you're hoping I'll be sad that you don't consider my marriage "real", or if you're hoping I'll run out and divorce my husband and start looking for a wife, or if you think I'll go running to my county marriage license office and say in a panic "Somebody on the internet says I don't have a real marriage! What should I do?!"
I won't do any of these things. I'll continue to live my life, as a married man, utterly heedless of your complaints. Neither you nor KiMare are responsible for recognizing marriages, or for administering marriage benefits. I don't understand why either of you have the hubris to think that anyone should consider your opinions anything other than laughable.
Show one person who says interracial marriage isn't a real marriage? Pray, post where someone is saying interracial marriage isn't real?

I think what you mean is some people may be against it? Who cares some people are against a Jew marrying a gentile. There are Hindus who would kill their daughters if they married a Muslim!! But these sets do get married, and these liaisons ARE STILL still between a man and a woman, not two men pretending one is a wife and one is a husband.

They still have kids naturally like two Whites or two Blacks. This is not two people where one just assumes the role of what others are in a same sex marriage.

Right so you are saying that a marriage between two men is a union of two husbands? And a marriage between two women is a union of wives? So two wives and two husbands are the result of a marriage?

I rest my case dude. Now simply go to the dictionary and check the meaning of husband, then check the meaning of wife. Then ask yourself how a marriage can be a union of two husbands!!!!!!!!!!

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EdmondWA wrote:
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That's nice. Watch them fall, one by one. It's already started. The last hold outs will all go together in one fell swooop, I expect.
Constitutional amendments can still be unconstitutional.
Ed identification is a two way process; if so many people believe gay weddings are a farce; then we can safely say that whether gay weddings are legitimate is a subject that is up for debate.

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KiMare wrote:
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No, I look like Bruce Willis with the smirk when idiots say dumb things.
SMirk.
Do you realize you just smirked your own post?(irony alert)

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Six_Of_One wrote:
<quoted text>Do you realize you just smirked your own post?(irony alert)
Of he did? Did you prove some point? So what then?

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mandingowillsay wrote:
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Of he did? Did you prove some point? So what then?
You. Have. No. Sense. Of. Humor. Do. You?
sheesh....

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Those are the Smurfs, the Smirks are their hermaphroditic genetic mosh pit "cousins" and are kinda purple. Their creator is just this side of copyright infringement as a badly drawn parody.
Now that defintion makes sense LOL
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mandingowillsay wrote:
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Show one person who says interracial marriage isn't a real marriage? Pray, post where someone is saying interracial marriage isn't real?
I think what you mean is some people may be against it? Who cares some people are against a Jew marrying a gentile. There are Hindus who would kill their daughters if they married a Muslim!! But these sets do get married, and these liaisons ARE STILL still between a man and a woman, not two men pretending one is a wife and one is a husband.
They still have kids naturally like two Whites or two Blacks. This is not two people where one just assumes the role of what others are in a same sex marriage.
Right so you are saying that a marriage between two men is a union of two husbands? And a marriage between two women is a union of wives? So two wives and two husbands are the result of a marriage?
I rest my case dude. Now simply go to the dictionary and check the meaning of husband, then check the meaning of wife. Then ask yourself how a marriage can be a union of two husbands!!!!!!!!!!
That marriage is a "sham" marriage and a Pseudo Marriage and a sinful marriage.

I just wonder about those people with so much brains falling so flat on their faces and justifying in calling it a marriage.

Just wait when marriage between humans and their pets also becomes a "legal" marriage....because reproduction is not at all an issue in a marriage!!
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And those dead people of Sodom and Gomorrah would be feeling happy that people have realized their "truth and sincerity" after so many centuries!! And their stand is vindicated in the "Modern and Cultured West"

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Those are the Smurfs, the Smirks are their hermaphroditic genetic mosh pit "cousins" and are kinda purple. Their creator is just this side of copyright infringement as a badly drawn parody.
Touche'! LOL

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Six_Of_One wrote:
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You. Have. No. Sense. Of. Humor. Do. You?
sheesh....
Never mind. He then gives the rest of us more to laugh about.

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RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I believe you nailed it Rosa, exactly, we are Homo Sapiens.....Period. We all should be treated equal as Jesus preached.
Very good, Riccardo. That is the bottom line, I'd say.

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Let everyone live the way they suppose and feel in themto live , excemption of killing

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Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Never mind. He then gives the rest of us more to laugh about.
I wonder if you have noticed that no one gives a f**k about your little asides? lmao!! All the serious and sensible care about here is real points; try and make some.

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KiMare wrote:
And so can laws, which is why ss couples will only ever be mutually sterile pointlessly duplicate gendered halves of marriage.
Uh... okay... that doesn't really follow, but whatever.

This is all just your opinion, you understand that, right? Laws have to first be FOUND unconstitutional by the judiciary FIRST. There's legal work to be done if you want to declare same-sex marriage recognition as "unconstitutional", and you haven't done it yet. Topix is not really the place that state governments go to check on what is unconstitutional. You're wasting your efforts here.

You can make all the proclamations that you want about what you like and don't like, or what you consider marriage and what you don't, but none of that has any bearing on the true constitionality of any law. You can tack on all the adjectives you want, but no state government will be using them. No legal definition of same-sex marriage includes all that "mutually sterile pointlessly duplicate gendered halves" verbiage. That's all your own assembly, your own opinion, and no other legal or individual entity needs to have any regard for it.

But of course, I'm wasting MY time, too. I don't need to argue any of this. Your opinion has no legal power, so I don't need to worry. Since you don't administer marriage benefits, you have just as little power to influence the matter whether I argue the case or not.

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mandingowillsay wrote:
Show one person who says interracial marriage isn't a real marriage? Pray, post where someone is saying interracial marriage isn't real?
I didn't ask you to show anything. I'm only pointing out that there ARE people all over the world who don't believe that interracial marriages should be legally recognized.

My point is that people who are IN an interracial marriage don't need to give that opinion any consideration. As long as the LAW recognizes their marriage, they don't need to worry about the opinions of private citizens.

Gay couples in same-sex marriages are in the same situation. We don't need to care if individual citizens don't like our legal recognition. We still HAVE that legal recognition, regardless of citizens who may not like it.
mandingowillsay wrote:
I think what you mean is some people may be against it? Who cares some people are against a Jew marrying a gentile. There are Hindus who would kill their daughters if they married a Muslim!! But these sets do get married, and these liaisons ARE STILL still between a man and a woman, not two men pretending one is a wife and one is a husband.
No men are pretending to be a wife. I'm sorry that you misunderstand that.

It's odd that you don't see that own opposition to this issue is very similar to those Hindus who overreact to their daughters marrying a Muslim. A mixed Hindu/Muslim marriage is still legal, despite the narrow-mindedness of the people who oppose it. Similarly, legal same-sex marriages are still legal, despite your own opposition to them.

The Hindu parents no doubt had hopes that their daughter would choose another Hindu as her spouse, but they must respect her personal sovereignty, and allow her to make the choice that she feels best suits her life. If that person is a Muslim, they may not like it, but they must respect it. Similarly, a gay person must be allowed to make THEIR own choice for a spouse, also. Disrespecting that choice means disrespecting someone's freedom, and someone's personal sovereignty in forming and guiding their own life.
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They still have kids naturally like two Whites or two Blacks. This is not two people where one just assumes the role of what others are in a same sex marriage.
Not all couples have kids. Some can't. Some choose not to. Some have children WITHOUT a marriage. None of those people are penalized for any of it. The presence or absence of children does not validate or invalidate a marriage.
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Right so you are saying that a marriage between two men is a union of two husbands? And a marriage between two women is a union of wives? So two wives and two husbands are the result of a marriage?
Yes. Any married man is called a husband. Any married woman is called a wife. Who they marry does not change their own title.
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I rest my case dude.
Perhaps you should be presenting your case in front of a judge, if you think it's so powerful. Your case has little influence on the outside world, if you are only presenting it to other strangers on the internet. Kentucky could have used you yesterday.
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Now simply go to the dictionary and check the meaning of husband, then check the meaning of wife. Then ask yourself how a marriage can be a union of two husbands!!!!!!!!!!
Dictionaries only REFLECT language usage, they don't DICTATE it. Dictionaries change as language use changes. I'm not required by law to live my life according to the dictionary.

Besides, maybe YOU should go check the dictionary. I just did. I went to Dictionary.com just now. The definition of a Husband there is:

1. a married man, especially when considered in relation to his partner in marriage.

The definition of a Wife is:

1. a married woman, especially when considered in relation to her partner in marriage.

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