Is homosexuality a sin?

Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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Toby

Portland, OR

#96154 Jan 28, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
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Nope I'm not hanging on to the bible at all. I am simply explaining to you that it is religion that gives the world the concept of sin. It is also religion that tells us about heaven and hell. I believe in none of those things. Is your anger that I dare tell you what the bible says? Is it that you want to con the world that the bible supports homosexuality? Why do you continually try to deflect attention to me rather than deal with what the bible says about homosexuality and homosexual sex in Black and White?
Is it that hard for you to face what the bible says? Do you need to put me in front of the bible so you can stone someone? Lmao!! Dude I did not write the bible, why are you so scared to deal with what it says? I see all of you continually pretending that anyone on this forum invented the concept of sin and what is sin. They did not so leave everybody alone and deal with your bible.
I'm not angry at all, and I am not religious at all, so why would the bible have any preference or reference point for me? I don't particularly care what the bible says, like I repeated twice you seem to be stuck on what the bible says.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#96156 Jan 28, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
Resent the truth Rick? Come one Rick the only person getting his pants in a twist over me daring to tell what the bible says is you. And the only one trying to deny what the bible says in Black and White is also you not me. I don't see any thing truthful you've posted that I denied, simply because you have not posted anything truthful just your personal deliberate misinterpretations of what things mean. Like claiming where the bible says two men who have sex should be put to death doesn't mean that!! Ha ha! I'm almost starting to feel sorry for you.
You are trying to lie to me about what the Bible has to say and I know better. It really is that simple.
mandingowillsay wrote:
Hey Rick what do these two verses mean?
Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 94 helpful votes
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
It's in a list of acts which can't be committed in a Jewish Temple. Not hard to figure out.
mandingowillsay wrote:
Mark 10:6-9 ESV / 90 helpful votes
But from the beginning of creation,‘God made them male and female.’‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.
It means that Jesus was answering a question about a divorce between a man and his wife, which He forbids by the way, even though it is also in Leviticus as being allowed.

mandingowillsay

Since: May 12

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#96157 Jan 28, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Corinthians: Paul was speaking about things which probably were going on at the Temple of Athena. This is one of the most disputed and mis-translated passages in the Bible.
Romans: God gave them up? Oh really? Please define who "they" were and back your claim up with readily verifiable proof.
I can tell you those passages mean nothing at all except that you use them to abuse other people which is a rather nasty thing too do.
"I can tell you those passages mean nothing at all except that you use them to abuse other people which is a rather nasty thing too do"

Oh! Piss off will you you boring idiot. You're not a victim so don't even pretend you are a victim you overbearing bully. Disagreeing with you is no crime against humanity you fool. Those verses are crystal clear so you can F off!
Toby

Portland, OR

#96158 Jan 28, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
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Nope I'm not hanging on to the bible at all. I am simply explaining to you that it is religion that gives the world the concept of sin. It is also religion that tells us about heaven and hell. I believe in none of those things. Is your anger that I dare tell you what the bible says? Is it that you want to con the world that the bible supports homosexuality? Why do you continually try to deflect attention to me rather than deal with what the bible says about homosexuality and homosexual sex in Black and White?
Is it that hard for you to face what the bible says? Do you need to put me in front of the bible so you can stone someone? Lmao!! Dude I did not write the bible, why are you so scared to deal with what it says? I see all of you continually pretending that anyone on this forum invented the concept of sin and what is sin. They did not so leave everybody alone and deal with your bible.
I don't care what the Bible says, never implicated that I did, the Bible also says stoning fornicators, adulterers and witches is alright, who really cares, you are oscillating from using the Bible as a reference point in your post to saying you aren't and then turing around and saying people can't "tackle" you knowing easily knowing you're not religious, but then once again will bring in the Bible as some point of refutation. I'm agnostic

mandingowillsay

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#96159 Jan 28, 2014
I can accept that lots of the bible has been contorted to carry the prejudices of the day. But it is still clear that gay sex is condemned and I think we all know that.
Toby

Portland, OR

#96160 Jan 28, 2014
I should elucidate a bit more and rephrase what I posted, there are some typos.
" you are oscillating from using the Bible as a reference point in your post, to saying you aren't, and then turning around and saying people can't "tackle" you easily, knowing you're not religious"

Then you posted earlier to another poster -" And it's your belief in the bible that manifests itself in your desperation to pretend the bible condones homosexuality or at least does not condemn it."

That makes no sense at all, that is the equivalent to saying a person opposes the Bible because they believe in the Bible, if a man stands on the corner and tells me the Martians are coming and I refute what he's saying, it certainly wouldn't be because I believe in what he is saying.

And the same applies to refuting the Bible, you're right though it doesn't matter if you believe in what the bible says to point out that you believe the Bible condemns homosexuality, the Bible condemns all sexual activity outside of marriage as far as I can tell

Since: Aug 11

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#96161 Jan 28, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
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"I can tell you those passages mean nothing at all except that you use them to abuse other people which is a rather nasty thing too do"
Oh! Piss off will you you boring idiot. You're not a victim so don't even pretend you are a victim you overbearing bully. Disagreeing with you is no crime against humanity you fool. Those verses are crystal clear so you can F off!
Typical bully tactic. ROTFLMAO

Showing your real colors huh?

Those passages don't mean squat within today's context. If you want to believe Bronze Age mythology is completely applicable to today's world, knock yourself out, but please don't expect intelligent people to join you.

Since: Aug 11

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#96162 Jan 28, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
I can accept that lots of the bible has been contorted to carry the prejudices of the day. But it is still clear that gay sex is condemned and I think we all know that.
Not really but thanks for sharing your worthless opinion on the matter.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#96163 Jan 28, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
I can accept that lots of the bible has been contorted to carry the prejudices of the day. But it is still clear that gay sex is condemned and I think we all know that.
What kind of gay sex? How about BJs? Show where the Bible mentions anything about such sex acts.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#96164 Jan 28, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Not a reasonable or logical comparison. Child porn like marrying a little girl like your prophet did and incest does not compare to people that were made gay by God. Nobody is born to do child porn or born to screw their sister. Those are things that only a Islamic prophet could do.
Just wait till some EXPERTS prove you wrong and prove how INCEST and Child Pornography is widespread in nature!!

The same arguments were used against Sodomy and Lesbianism a few decades back.

The question is which will be first to be legalized in Western Countries..... my HUNCH is that it would be "Incest" first....because it involves "consenting adults"!!

Why should any one care what "consenting adults" do in their bedrooms? Should we?

What is your objection to Incest by the way?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#96165 Jan 28, 2014
Toby wrote:
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Sodomy laws were slowly phased out due to the inability to enforce them and the unconstitutional bases of sodomy laws. What's ironic is if more heterosexual offenders would have been arrested sodomy laws would have been overturned a century ago, but the primary target of sodomy laws were homosexuals with several dozen heterosexual arrest from decade to decade to give it the appearance of being equitable laws. I remember one case of a man who was charged with having performed cunnilingus on his wife,when he openly admitted it to the judge, the judge then gave him a short sentence, however this demonstrates that sodomy laws were to apply to both heterosexuals and homosexuals. As for incest greatly increasing in Western countries,that is not factual or accurate at all, the highest percentage of consanguineous relationships is in African countries and Muslim countries, I already provided the link to those statistics and you ignored it, so carry on with your sophomoric bigotry.
Western people are past the Sodomy and Lesbian debate, let us talk about the NEXT Frontier, which is Incest and Child Pornography.

They are exactly in the same status as Sodomy and Lesbianism was a few decades earlier in Western countries.

Which one of them should be legalized first?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#96166 Jan 28, 2014
oh no no wrote:
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The situations of Sodomy, Lesbianism, Incest, even polygamy can be compared because they involve consenting adults. Child pornography cannot. Children are not capable of giving their informed consent and therefore child pornography/pedophilia are harmful. That is the difference and the reason why it is and should remain illegal.
How are you SURE child CANNOT give their consent?

What are your objection to Incest, my dear learned and tolerant friend?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#96167 Jan 28, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Not if I have anything to do with it, they won't. And plenty of other people in democracies feel the same way.
Your lone voice would be overwhelmed by the majority which would vote FOR it.... that is what democracy is all about, is it not?

What is your objection to Incest ?

mandingowillsay

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#96168 Jan 28, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Not really but thanks for sharing your worthless opinion on the matter.
Do you think I'm conceding a point you priceless idiot? In case you thought I was I'm not. I simply state what I have from the very beginning. I'm no advocate of religion or the bible but when you talk about sin the core meaning of the concept comes from religion. The bible calls homosexuality an abomination and is unequivocal in its assertion.

Lmao! But victimizing yourself while pretending everyone who disagrees with you is bullying and persecuting you will win you brownie points in gay rights groups ya fool, ha ha!

Do not think you make me feel like you in the slightest with all your pathetic projections. If you are too scared to stick on the debate and need to insinuate things that are not happening why are you hear you pathetic shit?

mandingowillsay

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#96169 Jan 28, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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What kind of gay sex? How about BJs? Show where the Bible mentions anything about such sex acts.
"What kind of gay sex? How about BJs? Show where the Bible mentions anything about such sex acts"

Wow!! The victim role seems to have disappeared as quickly as it reared its ugly false head, lmao!! Get lost idiot, you are a waste of time and not even sure what tactic to adopt. You are clearly an insecure and dishonest idiot.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#96170 Jan 28, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
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Again Riccardo, you need to stop pretending it is me not the bible that says homosexuality is a sin. It is not me that says homosexuality is a sin. Nor is it me who developed the concept of sin or what is sin. It is religion and the bible that created that concept, so my personal opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
You guys are giving the same arbitrary arguments over and over again. Yes codes are broken and many sins are committed by heterosexuals, but nowhere does it say heterosexuality or what a husband and wife do with each other is a sin. But it says what two men do with each other IS A SIN. So are you prepared to have a relationship with a man and have no sex with him? Well the bible says two men having sex is a sin.
I see your point that you are unable to argue the Bible. How can a True God condemn a person for being born a certain way?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#96171 Jan 28, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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Just wait till some EXPERTS prove you wrong and prove how INCEST and Child Pornography is widespread in nature!!
The same arguments were used against Sodomy and Lesbianism a few decades back.
The question is which will be first to be legalized in Western Countries..... my HUNCH is that it would be "Incest" first....because it involves "consenting adults"!!
Why should any one care what "consenting adults" do in their bedrooms? Should we?
What is your objection to Incest by the way?
Incest and Child porn are only widespread in Muhammad's culture. Did you think that homosexuality just started a few decades back? Western counties won't make incest and child porn legal, so please tell your family to not migrate here. Keep that stuff in the camel countries where it belongs. I think the problem with you people and the reason you kill each other is because you need to stop the incest and child porn. You live in a sick culture. We are medically against incest because it produces suicide bombers and honor rapers.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#96172 Jan 28, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
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Do you think I'm conceding a point you priceless idiot? In case you thought I was I'm not. I simply state what I have from the very beginning. I'm no advocate of religion or the bible but when you talk about sin the core meaning of the concept comes from religion. The bible calls homosexuality an abomination and is unequivocal in its assertion.
Lmao! But victimizing yourself while pretending everyone who disagrees with you is bullying and persecuting you will win you brownie points in gay rights groups ya fool, ha ha!
Do not think you make me feel like you in the slightest with all your pathetic projections. If you are too scared to stick on the debate and need to insinuate things that are not happening why are you hear you pathetic shit?
Starting with an ad hominem remark is sure to get some attention.

dismissed

NEXT

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#96173 Jan 28, 2014
mandingowillsay wrote:
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"What kind of gay sex? How about BJs? Show where the Bible mentions anything about such sex acts"
Wow!! The victim role seems to have disappeared as quickly as it reared its ugly false head, lmao!! Get lost idiot, you are a waste of time and not even sure what tactic to adopt. You are clearly an insecure and dishonest idiot.
Huge FAIL

Try again.

R U MAD bro?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#96174 Jan 28, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Incest and Child porn are only widespread in Muhammad's culture. Did you think that homosexuality just started a few decades back? Western counties won't make incest and child porn legal, so please tell your family to not migrate here. Keep that stuff in the camel countries where it belongs. I think the problem with you people and the reason you kill each other is because you need to stop the incest and child porn. You live in a sick culture. We are medically against incest because it produces suicide bombers and honor rapers.
Western countries for many centuries did not make Sodomy and Lesbianism legal either.

So why are you so sure that Western Countries would not legalize them?

Only thing which is justified in Western countries is presence of lobbyists and those who make enough noise and "EXPERTS" who can justify these acts.

As we see cases of incest and child pornography are spreading like wild fire in almost every western countries.... I doubt if "incest" is a crime in any western country....because it involves "consenting adults", so it has a tacit approval already.

There might be some "legal hurdles" to recognize that as a marriage, very soon that difficulty shall be overcome.

Do not worry about Muslim countries, they are already backward and beastly, talk about "cultured and civlized" western countries...

So back to question, which would be legalized first? Incest or Child pornography?

And what is your "objection" to incest?

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