Is homosexuality a sin?

Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#95381 Jan 11, 2014
MUQ wrote:
As usual most of correspondents missed the message "If your green eyed ancestor had been a homosexual, there would not been any green eyed people in this world"!!
That is how "fruitful" this homosexuality is!!
People do not have common sense, is a very common phenomenon!!
Amazing, first you make a statement completely devoid of anything resembling common sense before lecturing on its absence in others. You are the only one assuming that a direct homosexual ancestor could not possibly exist. Homosexuality isn't sterility. Even homosexuals can mother or father children through the miracle that is heterosexual sex and still be just as homosexual as the good lord made them.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#95382 Jan 11, 2014
Qu_innocence wrote:
EXODUS International...
Exodus International realized the falseness of its doctrine and admitted the truth that neither psychology nor prayer offered a way out of being homosexual because we do not need a way out of being homosexual, you need a way out of being a badly misinformed, narrow minded bigot about folk being homosexual. The remaining so-called ex-gay ministries, which continue this fraud and malpractice in the name of God need to be run out of business.

Since: Aug 11

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#95383 Jan 11, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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I agree. You should have seen our favourite troll Kirschmann getting his rear end kicked on the Atheism thread! LOLOLOL
In cricket terms, they hit him all over the paddock.
I shoulda been a fly on the wall. lol

Since: Aug 11

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#95384 Jan 11, 2014
Qu_innocence wrote:
EXODUS International
While "God's Grace" is a central component of salvation, the "Hypergrace" movement (that is, the "Once Saved, Always Saved" theology or the "Everybody is saved" Universal Unitarian kind of thinking) is a very dangerous, deceptive teaching to those who say they have Jesus in their heart but continually and willfully live unholy lives without repentance.
This nonchalant belief of God's Grace is what helped to cause Exodus' downfall. Nevertheless, they didn't speak for the hundreds of groups and churches who help gays leave the gay lifestyle, but just for their board and perhaps some on staff.
Again, they didn't speak for the hundreds of individual groups who had previously tied themselves to Exodus. Those groups continue to go on with their fervent ministries.
Praise God.
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-li...
Exodus is toast.

Good riddance.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#95385 Jan 11, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Amazing, first you make a statement completely devoid of anything resembling common sense before lecturing on its absence in others. You are the only one assuming that a direct homosexual ancestor could not possibly exist. Homosexuality isn't sterility. Even homosexuals can mother or father children through the miracle that is heterosexual sex and still be just as homosexual as the good lord made them.
Good Lord also make thieves, murderers, serial killers and all other perverts too...

God bless them all!!

That is why I said "Common sense is not so common".

people bent upon proving homosexuality is as normal as anything will go to any level to justify it!!

“Saved. ”

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#95386 Jan 11, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Exodus International realized the falseness of its doctrine and admitted the truth that neither psychology nor prayer offered a way out of being homosexual
Rick, respectfully I would have to disagree. Some would say, like yourself, that Exodus Internat'l finally admitted the truth to it's mistake, apologized and rightfully disbanded the organization as a result. Some people like myself believe that Chambers, being at the helm of EO, simply lost sight of the original mission to help those particular persons who are suffering from same-sex attraction and who want help...

A commenter gave an interesting analogy to Chamber's own response when being interviewed by the Huffington Post:

"Chambers rejected what he called “labels.”...'Some people would say you’re straight because I’m married. Some people say I’m ex-gay because I’m not leading a gay life.'

Such dancing about reality.

'As far as my skin goes, I am shaved.' he said.'I am happily shaved from head to toe. There’s not been one day in the in my life when I haven’t removed every hair from my body.. I would say I have an orientation towards hairlessness.

I do have hair follicles. But to say I have hair follicles would be the same as saying I am descaled lizard with dermal papilla. I shave off my hair in every single way that I as a mammal need to to be hairless. Am I a Mammal? Some people would say you’re a mammal simply because you have hair follicles. Some people would say you’re a lizard because you don’t have hair. Some people say I’m ex-mammal because I’m not leading a mammalian life.'”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/04/alan...
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>because we do not need a way out of being homosexual,
You're not speaking for all those who are in or who was in the gay community. Some people with same-sex attractions actually DO want a way out of that particular lifestyle AND SEEK assistance.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>you need a way out of being a badly misinformed, narrow minded bigot about folk being homosexual.
Though I speak mostly in biblical terms regarding the topic of this thread about homosexuality being a sin... contrary to how you may feel about me and this subject... I sympathize with those who want an alternative to gay life and want to seek Christ but afraid to do so because of peer pressure within the gay community and their supporters.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>The remaining so-called ex-gay ministries, which continue this fraud and malpractice in the name of God need to be run out of business.
Well, I understand your disapprovals but we currently practice religious freedoms here in the USA. Obviously that window is slowly closing as some religious institutions are forced to provide a means to abortive care and other religious-infringing issues. So one day you will get your wish at the loss and expense of that particular constitutional amendment in our Constitution.

But for now, if possible, we will continue to be faithful.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#95387 Jan 11, 2014
MUQ wrote:
Good Lord also make thieves, murderers, serial killers and all other perverts too...
No, people make themselves murderers, serial killers and badly informed judgmental fools. Our sexual orientations are a gift from our creator.
MUQ wrote:
That is why I said "Common sense is not so common".
Not from you anyways, you haven't offered much if any sense, common or otherwise.
MUQ wrote:
people bent upon proving homosexuality is as normal as anything will go to any level to justify it!!
Homosexuality is a perfectly normal, perfectly natural reoccurring trait in our species, just like bisexuality, just like heterosexuality. Any problem you might have with that reality is your problem, not ours.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#95388 Jan 11, 2014
Qu_innocence wrote:
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<quoted text> Riccardo, from listening to the former gay's testimonials which I've thus far presented... all of their situations were different from the other with the only common thread that they were in the gay lifestyle, are glad they left that life behind and are now Christians.
<quoted text>Regardless of a smoker's age longevity... the medical field IS STILL right about the dangers of smoking and the significant health risks. Just because of the people you knew lived into their 90's doesn't mean that the medical field was or is wrong.
Gays can be gay and be Christians, stop playing God. The medical field says you are wrong.

“It's time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

The South Pole

#95389 Jan 11, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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I shoulda been a fly on the wall. lol
Here it is, Was. It starts on this page.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...

Make yourself a big bowl of popcorn, then sit back and enjoy the show.

“It's time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

The South Pole

#95390 Jan 11, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>No, people make themselves murderers, serial killers and badly informed judgmental fools. Our sexual orientations are a gift from our creator.
<quoted text>Not from you anyways, you haven't offered much if any sense, common or otherwise.
<quoted text>Homosexuality is a perfectly normal, perfectly natural reoccurring trait in our species, just like bisexuality, just like heterosexuality. Any problem you might have with that reality is your problem, not ours.
Hi Rick. The brilliant and homosexual writer Patrick White described it this way: "I was chosen".

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#95391 Jan 11, 2014
Qu_innocence wrote:
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Jesus: "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, FORNICATIONS, thefts, false witness, blasphemies......These are the things which defile a man."
Fornications is "porneia" in the Greek where we eventually had gotten our word "Porn-" from. Jesus did speak on homosexuality and the like but it is lost in our own modern English understanding of the word "fornication". Actually, Jesus spoke in Aramaic and the word He used is transliterated into the Greek "porneia". Here are some definitions of that word when we study further and get the real meaning of what Jesus meant:
"illicit sexual intercourse
adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman;"
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...
<quoted text>The Bible does say to love others and also not to judge. Loving others is also warning others of danger. There is potential danger on Judgement Day:
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals..."
I Corinthians 6:9
As far as judging or condemning, if you read the scripture that bears that information you will see that it is talking about people who judge others who do the same exact thing. I don't do those things so it is okay for me to share the scriptures regarding the issue. Plus, I don't have to condemn anyone to hell, the scriptures give a head's up on who will enter God's Kingdom unless they repent before that Day.
Nevertheless, the Book says that we can judge righteously... John 7:24
<quoted text>You said "From Ever Attending..." Not necessarily and it sounds Christianheterophobic.
Ezekiel 33:8-9
<quoted text>There are gay people who accepted Christ and who want to overcome homosexuality and there are gay people who believe they are Christians but unrepentantly they go on pridefully being gay. The former shall be saved and the latter will not.
By the way, interspecies sex is found in nature alongside rare homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom... do you support that also?
Stop lying about the verse from Mark. The verse states where evil starts, from within and sexual immorality does not mean being gay. Stop your hate.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#95392 Jan 11, 2014
Qu_innocence wrote:
Rick, respectfully I would have to disagree.
You can disagree with reality all you want, but it doesn't change reality. There is not now, nor has there ever have been, in spite of some seriously ugly efforts to find one, a 'cure' for homosexuality. The reason that it cannot be cured is because it is a perfectly normal and perfectly natural instinct, it doesn't need to be cured. Efforts to convert homosexuals into heterosexuals have been going on for the better part of a century, with no verified success, only a very, very few folk who claimed conversion or at least stopped being actively homosexual. In their wake are hundreds and thousands lured in with a promise of help only to find that they were no more heterosexual than when they started. It's a form of therapy found to be ineffective and more likely to result in harm than benefit.

Ministries playing along with the fraud of the ex-gay industry are nothing short of evil. Charlatans preying on vulnerable, hurting individuals. You should be ashamed of yourself supporting this dangerous snake-oil and had better spend time begging God for forgiveness for what you are doing in his name.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#95393 Jan 11, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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Good Lord also make thieves, murderers, serial killers and all other perverts too...
God bless them all!!
!
Hey Muk, You just described Islam.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#95394 Jan 11, 2014
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text> I sympathize with those who want an alternative to gay life and want to seek Christ but afraid to do so because of peer pressure within the gay community and their supporters.
<quoted text>Well, I understand your disapprovals but we currently practice religious freedoms here in the USA. Obviously that window is slowly closing as some religious institutions are forced to provide a means to abortive care and other religious-infringing issues. So one day you will get your wish at the loss and expense of that particular constitutional amendment in our Constitution.
But for now, if possible, we will continue to be faithful.
Matthew 22:37-40

37He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it:'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (NRSV)

That's all I really need on this subject.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

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#95395 Jan 11, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>No, people make themselves murderers, serial killers and badly informed judgmental fools. Our sexual orientations are a gift from our creator.
<quoted text>Not from you anyways, you haven't offered much if any sense, common or otherwise.
<quoted text>Homosexuality is a perfectly normal, perfectly natural reoccurring trait in our species, just like bisexuality, just like heterosexuality. Any problem you might have with that reality is your problem, not ours.
Homosexuality and Medicine

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx...

*******

Rick, I used to see the whole article there but perhaps due to the number of hits I guess they wanted more people on the registrar. The entire article is insightful even if you may disagree.

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#95396 Jan 11, 2014
Previous post... Riccardo...
Toby

Portland, OR

#95397 Jan 11, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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You wonder no such thing, you lie.
You know anal sex irrefutably exposes your orientation as a sexual defect. You lack the courage and honesty to face that reality.
Instead, you viciously, violently assault and bully anyone who refuses to accept your denial.
That Toby, is the simple truth. Ruminate on that.
Smile.
It's impossible to ruminate on your illogical and irrational bigotry, but the question does remain, and it would for anyone who have read your ridiculous post, why you spend such an inordinate amount of time obsessing on anal sex.As I have pointed out before it is most likely reaction formation. As for anal sex exposing my orientation, I have an intimate long lasting relationship with the opposite sex and guess what we don't engage in anal sex, but that doesn't mean I or you have any right to pass judgement on consenting adults engaged in anal sex, and on what consenting adults do sexually.

Basically when you admit that you would like to see sodomy laws reinstated, then that type of puritanical reasoning becomes everyones problem not just the homosexual communities problem. As I have pointed out again and again to your myopic mind, a large percentage of heterosexuals engage in both oral and anal sex, you might think that it's dirty ,filthy, unclean, unnatural, etc., but you have no authority to dictate to anyone what they can or can't do, however you are free to express your bigoted irrational beliefs, and we are free to respond to your infantile nonsense. You may call it bullying, or hateful, but when dealing with a fascist bigot such as yourself, it is the correct response.

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#95398 Jan 11, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Matthew 22:37-40
37He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it:'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (NRSV)
That's all I really need on this subject.
Amen... and God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes (Trusts) in Him will not perish but have everlasting life... John 3:16

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Since: Aug 12

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#95399 Jan 11, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Stop lying about the verse from Mark. The verse states where evil starts, from within and sexual immorality does not mean being gay. Stop your hate.
Earlier, you asked to show where Jesus spoke on homosexuality. I did and simply pointed out to you the truth... in love.
davy

Albuquerque, NM

#95400 Jan 11, 2014
But my wife really want's anal, wouldn't it be immoral to deny her?
KiMare wrote:
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You wonder no such thing, you lie.
You know anal sex irrefutably exposes your orientation as a sexual defect. You lack the courage and honesty to face that reality.
Instead, you viciously, violently assault and bully anyone who refuses to accept your denial.
That Toby, is the simple truth. Ruminate on that.
Smile.

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