Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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Toby

Portland, OR

#95022 Dec 29, 2013
Jesus mafia Cosa nostra foot soldier- "Listen, I work for the Big Boss (God) and he really cares about you, and I know you don't want someone to *come in here and pour gasoline all over your body and setting you on fire,
Toby

Portland, OR

#95023 Dec 29, 2013
There is scientifically based cause and effect, and then there are the religious based delusional causes and effects. With religious fundamentalist their actions are derived from delusional causes, one delusional cause is ( the goal of obtaining the kingdom of God), which naturally produces the delusional effects (immortality striving, threat of hell, inhumane treatment of non -believers, draconian puritanical laws, legislating religious morality, etc..)
Apostle

Philadelphia, PA

#95024 Dec 29, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Buford, Exodus international, THE LARGEST EX-GAY PROGRAM IN THE WORLD has not admitted that you can not pray away the gay.
We are who God created us to be.
God doesn't make mistakes; why do you insist God is wrong?
God did not bring you into this world to be a sexual pervert; that was your free will as any sin. Woe unto ye who follow this path, for ye shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#95025 Dec 29, 2013
Apostle wrote:
<quoted text>God did not bring you into this world to be a sexual pervert; that was your free will as any sin. Woe unto ye who follow this path, for ye shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
Did God bring you into this world to be judge and jury over me?

Why did Exodus International abandon their Ex-Gay program?
Tobt

Portland, OR

#95030 Dec 29, 2013
Apostle wrote:
<quoted text>God did not bring you into this world to be a sexual pervert; that was your free will as any sin. Woe unto ye who follow this path, for ye shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
Whenever I see the old “thou”,“thee "ye"or " woe" used, I know the poster most likely has a dog named precious and a well in their basement and many many severe personality disorders.
Toby

Portland, OR

#95031 Dec 29, 2013
I know that some churches teach that any oral sex, even heterosexual oral sex is perverted, even if committed by married participants. I am not sure what all of the looney fundamentalist posters in this forum believe about oral sex but it seems to generally be a really extreme beliefs, that is, that all sex outside of marriage is perverted, especially oral and anal sex regardless of whether it is homosexual or heterosexual.
Toby

Portland, OR

#95032 Dec 29, 2013
* but it seems to generally be really extreme beliefs
Toby

Portland, OR

#95033 Dec 29, 2013
Idiot 1:2 Woe be unto thou vagina eaters, for on that day , thou tongues shall taste the fiery torment of hells wrath.

That is from the book of idiots, I'm compiling all the books together and will soon present it. Perhaps it become a major religion, or has it already?
Toby

Portland, OR

#95034 Dec 29, 2013
Perhaps it *will become a major religion.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#95035 Dec 29, 2013
Tobt wrote:
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Whenever I see the old “thou”,“thee "ye"or " woe" used, I know the poster most likely has a dog named precious and a well in their basement and many many severe personality disorders.
Seriously! Who uses Olde English in a post?
Toby

Portland, OR

#95036 Dec 29, 2013
Idiot 1:3 For it is good to take for thouself many wives, but thou should not eat of the vagina,for when thou doest eat of the vagina's on that day you shall fall from grace.

footnote: Grace is his sixth wife

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#95038 Dec 29, 2013
Toby wrote:
Many people who maintain fundamentalist religious perspectives define sex in such rigid and austere terms that even in the context of heterosexual relationships it becomes defined as more of a duty than an enjoyed desire. When most people engage in sex, only a very small percentage are attempting to procreate. Attempting to control the sexual behavior between two consenting adults by condemnation and socially stigmatizing them, either by way of religious dogma or social bigotry is just not going to work anymore, those days are finished.
I maybe completely wrong but it seems to me that people who obsess about other peoples sexual orientation or peoples sexual activities in many cases might have the unconscious desire to do exactly what they themselves are condemning other people for doing. They internalize those religious fundamentalist taboos to such a degree they have an intrapsychic conflict with their own repressed desires, and that creates different defense mechanisms.
It seems very likely to me that any person who is inundated by the very desires they publicly adamantly object to, will be the first to condemn others who freely display those same desires. An excellent example, is the poster who claimed that very soon now homosexuality would be compulsory, that kind of irrational fear is what would lead anyone to believe that it has to be some type of psychological defense mechanism.
Jesus taught that you had to be prepared to give up everything in this life in order to follow God, Paul detailed that teaching out when it came to sex. Paul's Christianity disapproved of sex, it was the original sin. Paul taught that the Christian's first calling was to abstinence, marriage was the fate of those who couldn't contain themselves. It was why for its first 15 centuries, the Christian Church wouldn't bless a marriage until a couple needed one because they had procreated. Nobody else could be married by the Church without special dispensation. For Paul's followers, all sex was sin, that for strictly procreational purposes more easy to be forgiven for than that of the recreational variety. Early Christians didn't single out same sex recreational sex acts as being any more of a sin than those of the opposite sex. It was all equally sinful. Same sex acts weren't prohibited until late in the 4th Century, male prostitutes were still taxed by the Church until the middle of the 5th.

Since: Feb 12

Sumter, SC

#95039 Dec 29, 2013
Toby wrote:
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How can God get the glory when I have cunnilingus with my partner, or when she has fellatio with me? When heterosexuals have anal sex which hundreds of millions do, how does God get glory? When millions of heterosexual marriages can't produce children because they are sterile how does God get the glory? When 99 % of all heterosexuals commit fornication how does any fictitious deity get the glory? If God is the same yesterday as is he is today why aren't you out stoning a homosexual to death, or killing a witch or an adulterer ?
To answer your questions. God allowed the sanctity of marriage which means sex is allowed between man and his wife. He folds us the marriage bed is undefiled. Anything outside if marriage is defiled according to his purpose. So if you want to perform sexual acts with your wife or husband the glory God gets is that we are married and followed His way of sex between a man and a women. How about the millions who has overcome sterility and have had children unexpiciably? Or how about the millions of children that need parents that people adopt? God gets the glory from a miraculous transformation of a barren womb or damaged sperm have a child. Or a child finds a home of good parents and fulfill their destiny God has for them. Lastly God is still the same God. However his wrath was not blocked before Jesus came. Now the Jesus is our high priest, his blood his sprinkled on the mercy seat for our sins, trangressions, and inquities. It is Jesus's sacrifice God sees in us that spares us. That why we praise Him and love Him they we that we do. Tell me one more thing. If I'm right and you had to stand in front of Jesus Christ and a homosexual that never believed what would you say. Are you willing to take that risk? God bless and love ya

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#95041 Dec 29, 2013
Man of God 4eva wrote:
To answer your questions. God allowed the sanctity of marriage which means sex is allowed between man and his wife. He folds us the marriage bed is undefiled. Anything outside if marriage is defiled according to his purpose. So if you want to perform sexual acts with your wife or husband the glory God gets is that we are married and followed His way of sex between a man and a women. How about the millions who has overcome sterility and have had children unexpiciably? Or how about the millions of children that need parents that people adopt? God gets the glory from a miraculous transformation of a barren womb or damaged sperm have a child. Or a child finds a home of good parents and fulfill their destiny God has for them. Lastly God is still the same God. However his wrath was not blocked before Jesus came. Now the Jesus is our high priest, his blood his sprinkled on the mercy seat for our sins, trangressions, and inquities. It is Jesus's sacrifice God sees in us that spares us. That why we praise Him and love Him they we that we do. Tell me one more thing. If I'm right and you had to stand in front of Jesus Christ and a homosexual that never believed what would you say. Are you willing to take that risk? God bless and love ya
History lesson. For its first 16 centuries, the Church's rite of matrimony was only available to procreating couples and wasn't available to them until they were a procreated couple. The Church not only blessed sex before marriage, it required it. Civil marriages were the order of the day for every couple. The Church blessed all sorts of relationships, even same sex couples as brothers, but marriage in the eyes of God was reserved only for those going to hell without it. The Church unilaterally deciding that all couples had to go through the rite of marriage was actually one of the issues which sparked the Protestant Reformation. Many early Protestant Churches didn't even have a marriage rite for decades. Our Puritan forefathers, believed that the Church had no business whatsoever blessing marriages, you were married by the government.

For early Christians, all sex was sinful, its sole allowable purpose reproduction. If you reproduced, you got married and then reproduced some more. It was now your continued duty for failing to contain yourself the first time. If you were working on reproducing, remember God is watching and you aren't there to enjoy yourselves any more than necessary.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#95042 Dec 29, 2013
Toby wrote:
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Fred Phelps would be so proud, that sounds like something straight from the Westboro Baptist Church manual, maybe you should head on over to their church and pick up a sign. Did you know that the Bible belt has the highest rate of teen pregnancies, illiteracy, STD's, and divorces ?
If you had a clue about Fred Phelps and Westboro, you would realize that they could care less about being against gays, they do what they do because they win lawsuits against cities and fools that don't allow them to protest freely. It's about the money. Here goes the bigot again, "the bible belt" as if that means anything.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#95043 Dec 29, 2013
Toby wrote:
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So you're saying societal norms are what dictates what a sin is, but societal norms are quite different in every culture, what is (not wanted) in one society is considered normal in other, or is at least tolerated. If you are referring to religious norms especially fundamentalist norms then that creates a society with less diversity of opinion, and in many cases less freedom and autonomy. I don't want heterosexual marriages to end in divorce, but because I don't want it doesn't mean there won't be millions of divorces every year all across the globe. Bigoted morons are not wanted, but hey, there are going to be millions of bigoted morons, that's just reality. A majority of people living in democratic societies (don't want) morality legislated to them, especially what they as consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms with other consenting adults. I find it humorous that many bigots desire sodomy laws reinstated but yet they only want them applied to homosexuals.
I am saying that "whatever angle" you look at this practice of homosexuality is not wanted.

The justification on the basis of "Two consenting adults" is not valid where it harms the persons and has bad effect on society.

This practice has bad effect on those "consenting adults" as well as their spouses and their children.

So it has to be condemned and not encouraged.....they way people are "bent upon" proving it "as normal" as we eat food from mouth shows there is some thing wrong.

The people who "justify it" , most probably are "practicing Homos"!!
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#95044 Dec 29, 2013
Toby wrote:
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Once the Bible includes fornicators in that tally of hell bound sinners it might as well have said that 99 % of the entire human race is headed to hell, after all the celestial God of butter-pecan ice cream is watching humans fornicate,right? Apparently some deities are voyeurs, or is it more likely that fundamentalist Christians would like the power to see what consenting adults do in their bedrooms?
So 99% of Western world is involved in Adultery and Fornication?

I did not know that.

Now I can see why they are so much for legalizing Homosexuality.....

That is the "next frontier" after they got "bored" from Pornography, Live Shows, adultery and fornication.... they have really evolved!!

If the same 99 % people eat poison, will they not die? Whom they have to blame for their actions?

Apostle

Philadelphia, PA

#95045 Dec 29, 2013
Get on the knees and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to release you from this sickness lest you suffer eternal damnation and hellfire.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#95047 Dec 29, 2013
Apostle wrote:
Get on the knees and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to release you from this sickness lest you suffer eternal damnation and hellfire.
If you get on your knees, you should prey to Lord and Creator of the Universe to have mercy on you, He is Lord and Creator of your Lord Jesus Christ too!!

Worshiping any one else beside Lord and Creator of Universe is the main reason that one becomes fit for hellfire and Eternal Damnation.

I would be careful to make such statements as you have made.
pen

El Dorado Springs, MO

#95048 Dec 30, 2013
MUQ,

Let me explain how this works basic and plain simple to understand.

ISLAM was founded in the 7th century. The old testament Bible prophets were from centuries BC.(yes I know other religion claim older but GENESIS is oldest of all) the Prophets of BC foretold God coming to earth as man. In the book of Daniel we are told this and gives the very year the "messiah" meaning anointed man / God .. Daniel was given the very year Jesus would come (Daniel 9:24-27)
Timeline chart
http://biblelight.net/dan927.htm
http://www.daniels70weeks.com
This was fulfilled as foretold. At that time maybe you have heard the king Herod issued a decree to kill all infants in an attempt to kill Jesus as an infant.

So you see this fulfilled time prophecy proves the thing was from God for only God can know the future. That is without even getting into when all Jesus did while here to prove he was who he said.

The Bible is confirmed as DIVINE & INSPIRED by God thru these fulfilled prophecies about Jesus, and about the rise and fall of empires, including Islam (yes Islam is in the Bible)

As to your objection on praying to Jesus. We are told in the Bible to pray to God in the name of Jesus signifying God's people who only accept that God / Creator came to earth as man. Jesus was the Creator preexisting the son Jesus he had other names (for another topic)

Read passages telling us Jesus is the Creator


1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last ... I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches.


Jesus while on earth as a man capable of death would pray to Father in heaven for God we are told is more than the Father. There is

Father God
Son God (Jesus)
Holy Ghost God

Then we are told all three are ONE. There are not three Gods. This is the same God the Jews would serve and they did not call "Gods", only God.

The body has a head, arms and legs -- all one body. So too is God. Then nobody created Jesus he has always been as God has always been. The eternal.

Jesus explained this too, saying "..before Abraham was I Am". For this the Jews tried to stone him, claiming to be God. But it was the truth.

You should flee Arabia so you are free to decide these matters for yourself.

Creation and the Creator is proven many ways, im glad you can see that. But, we have all known him personally as, Jesus.(not the catholic pope jesus either)

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