Is homosexuality a sin?

Created by Travis Morgan on Oct 27, 2007

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Toby

Portland, OR

#94845 Dec 20, 2013
Also Islam is your bother religion birthed from the Abrahamic tradition, so while you're wrathfully condescending to Islam, your inadvertently slapping yourself in the face. All monotheistic religions have had to adapt from archaic to tolerant religions Don't worry Islam will have to be secularized and taught to respect a secular society the same as Christianity did. You're like an older convict ranting on about how the new convict just committed certain crimes, the fact is all of the monotheistic religions have been involved with sectarian wars, oppressive religious dogma,and all types of injustices to humanity.

GTG- discuss amongst yourselves
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#94846 Dec 20, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem is, no one 'knows' Islamic history until they only have the edited Islamic versions of history because all other sources are censored.
But the real proof is this; If Islam produced people of character and thought, we would see ample evidence of it right now. Instead, we see it among Jews and Christians.
At this point in history, the cream rises to the top, and Islam is at the bottom.
Once again, reality exposes your denial Mug. When are you going to come to your senses???
The "problem" is you people do not consider any thing "worthwhile" unless it is written by your own people.

And what your own people write about other religions, nations and their histories is always biased and mostly the work of fiction and hearsay than fact.

Islamic history is mostly eye witness accounts of event and any event recorded is traced back to an eye witness. That is the real worthy accounts of events...but this is unknown to your people and your historians.

That is why there is so much ignorance and little knowledge about Islamic history and civilization in west.

The New Generation "Thinks" that world was living in darkness, until Europe woke up from their slumber in sixteenth or 17th Century CE. No science, maths, or engineering existed in the world, unless Europeans discovered laws and put them into books.

In Communist USSR, during cold days, they wrote books that told every major discovery in science was done by Russians and then western nations copied it!!

The same attitude we see in posts by Western people, thinking as if they are a sort of demi-god and only their views and analysis is final word in any discussion.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#94847 Dec 20, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
The funny thing is that about the only one on this thread who agrees with him about it being a sin, is MUQ. And yet superdrongo would rather refight the Crusades.
It is pretty funny, I agree. LOLOL1
Who says that there are "only" two people on this thread, who call Sodomy and lebianism as Sin?

You are telling this white lie on this open thread?

Have no fear from your fellow correspondents?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#94848 Dec 20, 2013
Toby wrote:
Millions have died in past Christian sectarian wars, the European wars of religion involved millions of deaths, most people know that, not sure why you don't though. The fact is Islam is the youngest of the three monotheistic religions, so you can view them just as you would Christianity 700 years ago, that is Islam came into existence 700 years after Christianity, and you can't tell me that Christianity didn't have many many sectarian wars. It will take time to secularize Islam the same as was with Christianity.
Do not forget that while Christians "Lost" their original scriptures, so early in their religious history, Muslims have "Guarded and preserved" their scriptures in their original and pristine conditions even after 1400 years!!

So while it took "1800 or so years" for Christianity to be "overpowered" by secular and atheistic philosophy, it might NEVER happen to Islam!!

It is Muslims who are keeping the flame of Abraham and his religion alive while his other descendants only know him by "name"!!

PS:

I like many things in your posts. You have a very broad out look than other people.
Toby

Portland, OR

#94849 Dec 20, 2013
You have to provide proper context and intellectual honesty to understand the historical and contemporary deleterious effects of monotheistic Abrahamic religions on society, and there has been a disturbing trifecta of similarities between all three Monotheistic, Abrahamic religions. To emphasize that the radical fundamentalist within Islam are the most prominent (contemporary) exponents of religious sectarian violence is factual however it doesn't repudiate the fact that all Abrahamic religions have been inundated with violence and oppression, and have histories that are replete with the same similar religious atrocities and intolerance, but yes today most all violence is directed between Islamic sects or violence against Christians by radical fundamentalist Muslims.
As I have pointed out before, of the three main Monotheistic Abrahamic religions, two of the three(Judaism and Christianity), have been forced to adapt to modernity and (slowly) over a long extended length of time were secularized, the only dangerous element that remains within Christianity in America is the fundamentalist Christians who still advocate the murdering of abortion doctors and the bombing of abortion clinics, the violent intolerance of homosexuals,the legislation of radical fundamentalist Christian morality into laws,and the destructive influence that fundamentalist Christianity has on developing countries, like Uganda, Nigeria, and Guyana, e.g. the systematic killing of suspected witches in Africa by Christians, and the abuse and violence against homosexuals in Guyana and Uganda by means of draconian anti-homosexual laws. Interesting links below-

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Toby

Portland, OR

#94850 Dec 20, 2013
Innovation and scientific advancements can come from any people, religion is not even in the equation. It took rationalism to create humanitarianism and great innovations and inventions existed long before the Age of Enlightenment, and those advancements can't be claimed by any religion. Mans vanity " look at what my religion invented" or the great contemporary "religious pissing contest" and the endless supply of ethnocentrism I read in forums like this is detestable. Mankind would have murdered and oppressed his fellow humans without any belief in God or Gods, but to do it with the supposedly "handbook of murder and oppression" written by this monotheistic God in various languages is even more difficult to comprehend.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#94851 Dec 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Do not forget that while Christians "Lost" their original scriptures, so early in their religious history, Muslims have "Guarded and preserved" their scriptures in their original and pristine conditions even after 1400 years!!
So while it took "1800 or so years" for Christianity to be "overpowered" by secular and atheistic philosophy, it might NEVER happen to Islam!!
It is Muslims who are keeping the flame of Abraham and his religion alive while his other descendants only know him by "name"!!
PS:
I like many things in your posts. You have a very broad out look than other people.
In the Qur'an, the moon and the sun orbit the earth together. There is no distinction made between the moon, which actually revolves around the earth, and the sun which only appears to revolve around the earth when in fact the suns movement through the sky is a product of the rotation of the earth around its axis.

We sure are glad you preserved Mo's fairy tale he used to read to his child wife. LOL

The author of the Qur'an emphasizes that the earth is fixed in place and motionless. He is clearly unaware that the earth is not only revolving around the sun, but also spinning on its own axis.
Verily! Allah grasps the heavens and the earth lest they move away from their places, and if they were to move away from their places, there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Truly, He is Ever Most Forbearing, Oft Forgiving.
Qur'an 35:41
It is God who made for you the earth a fixed place and heaven for an edifice; And He shaped you, and shaped you well, and provided you with the good things. That then is God, your Lord, so blessed be God, the Lord of all Being..
Qur'an 40:64

The Quran is BS. Should have never been preserved, it's F A L S E and comes from the Devil.
Toby

Portland, OR

#94852 Dec 20, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>In the Qur'an, the moon and the sun orbit the earth together. There is no distinction made between the moon, which actually revolves around the earth, and the sun which only appears to revolve around the earth when in fact the suns movement through the sky is a product of the rotation of the earth around its axis.
We sure are glad you preserved Mo's fairy tale he used to read to his child wife. LOL
The author of the Qur'an emphasizes that the earth is fixed in place and motionless. He is clearly unaware that the earth is not only revolving around the sun, but also spinning on its own axis.
Verily! Allah grasps the heavens and the earth lest they move away from their places, and if they were to move away from their places, there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Truly, He is Ever Most Forbearing, Oft Forgiving.
Qur'an 35:41
It is God who made for you the earth a fixed place and heaven for an edifice; And He shaped you, and shaped you well, and provided you with the good things. That then is God, your Lord, so blessed be God, the Lord of all Being..
Qur'an 40:64
The Quran is BS. Should have never been preserved, it's F A L S E and comes from the Devil.
You really literally believe in (The Devil)?
Toby

Portland, OR

#94853 Dec 20, 2013
There is no scientific method that advocates supernatural causation, so what does that say about the Old Testament also? Two adherents to monotheistic religions arguing over which anthropomorphic God and religious text to be the genuinely scientifically accurate one, is like two legless men, both involved in an imaginary race explaining which victory was the genuine one.
Toby

Portland, OR

#94854 Dec 21, 2013
The Earth rotated much faster billions of years ago, so a day was really about 8 hours, which means that according to the Bible the World was then created in 48 hours and then rested for eight hours. So really church should be on Wednesday and held at least twice a week right?

That or Jesus rode a dinosaur into Jerusalem
Toby

Portland, OR

#94855 Dec 21, 2013
America has the highest belief in (the Deeble) of all developed nations, one of our Supreme Court Justices even says he believes in a literal devil, what a national embarrassment. The American hillbilly Taliban should feel proud

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#94856 Dec 21, 2013
Toby wrote:
Also Islam is your bother religion birthed from the Abrahamic tradition, so while you're wrathfully condescending to Islam, your inadvertently slapping yourself in the face. All monotheistic religions have had to adapt from archaic to tolerant religions Don't worry Islam will have to be secularized and taught to respect a secular society the same as Christianity did. You're like an older convict ranting on about how the new convict just committed certain crimes, the fact is all of the monotheistic religions have been involved with sectarian wars, oppressive religious dogma,and all types of injustices to humanity.
GTG- discuss amongst yourselves
Still can't back your claim equating Islam to Christianity can you?

Instead you make two false claims.

1. Islam condemns Judaism and Christianity. Hardly a 'brother' religion. In fact, you see a history of a jealousy so extreme, Islam is incapable of allowing Jews and Christians to co-exist with them.

2. Christianity has always had a 'old wineskin/new wineskin' cycle. Just as God warned the Jews not to become complacent in their faith, Revelation begins with the same warning to the seven Churches. What you are missing, is that Christianity grows old and diluted in one area, it rises up in another.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#94857 Dec 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
The "problem" is you people do not consider any thing "worthwhile" unless it is written by your own people.
And what your own people write about other religions, nations and their histories is always biased and mostly the work of fiction and hearsay than fact.
Islamic history is mostly eye witness accounts of event and any event recorded is traced back to an eye witness. That is the real worthy accounts of events...but this is unknown to your people and your historians.
That is why there is so much ignorance and little knowledge about Islamic history and civilization in west.
The New Generation "Thinks" that world was living in darkness, until Europe woke up from their slumber in sixteenth or 17th Century CE. No science, maths, or engineering existed in the world, unless Europeans discovered laws and put them into books.
In Communist USSR, during cold days, they wrote books that told every major discovery in science was done by Russians and then western nations copied it!!
The same attitude we see in posts by Western people, thinking as if they are a sort of demi-god and only their views and analysis is final word in any discussion.
So history by anyone but a Muslim is false?

Here is a current example. Bin Laden admits attacking the Twin Towers. You deny it.

I am fully aware of Islamic history. Islam swept through the Mediterranean basin. They were a band of ignorant warriors. When they conquered a country, the left the residents, forced to become Muslims, managing the country, while they continued their conquest. The result was the Ottoman Empire. It was the knowledge of the former non-Muslims that provided anything of substance. Knowledge they had BEFORE becoming Islamic. All of that slowly eroded until the Ottoman Empire collapsed on itself in destitution.

Look across Islam today. What you see is ignorant, destitute people, sustained only by oil money and the protection of outside forces.

All this still leaves the original question; Why is their no Muslim of the stature and character that Christianity consistently produces?

Wake up Mug. You are living in deception, defensive and silent about the ugly, barbarism of Islam.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#94858 Dec 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Do not forget that while Christians "Lost" their original scriptures, so early in their religious history, Muslims have "Guarded and preserved" their scriptures in their original and pristine conditions even after 1400 years!!
So while it took "1800 or so years" for Christianity to be "overpowered" by secular and atheistic philosophy, it might NEVER happen to Islam!!
It is Muslims who are keeping the flame of Abraham and his religion alive while his other descendants only know him by "name"!!
PS:
I like many things in your posts. You have a very broad out look than other people.
I notice you avoided the question and diverted to a lie. Why didn't you help Toby out? If Christianity is false, and Islam is true, surely you would find ONE place in the whole world that matched the violence of Islam against itself or other faiths! Instead, even YOU can't present any belief system as repressive and violent as Islam, let alone Christianity.

As I have noted before, if what you claim about the Old and New Testament were true, it means that Allah was powerless to stop the corruption of his words TWICE. What changed that makes that possible now?

Moreover, if Islam is the correct religion, why is little Israel sitting smack dab in the middle of huge, destitute, despot led Muslim countries??? Add to that, abused Muslims need to call on a marginally Christian country, America, to come help them? Just what kind of flame are you keeping alive? It looks like hell to me.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#94859 Dec 21, 2013
Toby wrote:
You have to provide proper context and intellectual honesty to understand the historical and contemporary deleterious effects of monotheistic Abrahamic religions on society, and there has been a disturbing trifecta of similarities between all three Monotheistic, Abrahamic religions. To emphasize that the radical fundamentalist within Islam are the most prominent (contemporary) exponents of religious sectarian violence is factual however it doesn't repudiate the fact that all Abrahamic religions have been inundated with violence and oppression, and have histories that are replete with the same similar religious atrocities and intolerance, but yes today most all violence is directed between Islamic sects or violence against Christians by radical fundamentalist Muslims.
As I have pointed out before, of the three main Monotheistic Abrahamic religions, two of the three(Judaism and Christianity), have been forced to adapt to modernity and (slowly) over a long extended length of time were secularized, the only dangerous element that remains within Christianity in America is the fundamentalist Christians who still advocate the murdering of abortion doctors and the bombing of abortion clinics, the violent intolerance of homosexuals,the legislation of radical fundamentalist Christian morality into laws,and the destructive influence that fundamentalist Christianity has on developing countries, like Uganda, Nigeria, and Guyana, e.g. the systematic killing of suspected witches in Africa by Christians, and the abuse and violence against homosexuals in Guyana and Uganda by means of draconian anti-homosexual laws. Interesting links below-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ALNQ_xfOzlUXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
See my last post to you.

You are falsely attributing violence to Christians in those countries. More importantly, you fail to show where the New Testament approves of any such behavior toward others.

And still, none of this equates in any way to the violence of Islam.

You are an ignorant bigot Toby.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#94860 Dec 21, 2013
Toby wrote:
Innovation and scientific advancements can come from any people, religion is not even in the equation. It took rationalism to create humanitarianism and great innovations and inventions existed long before the Age of Enlightenment, and those advancements can't be claimed by any religion. Mans vanity " look at what my religion invented" or the great contemporary "religious pissing contest" and the endless supply of ethnocentrism I read in forums like this is detestable. Mankind would have murdered and oppressed his fellow humans without any belief in God or Gods, but to do it with the supposedly "handbook of murder and oppression" written by this monotheistic God in various languages is even more difficult to comprehend.
Well lets see.

We don't see innovation coming from Islamic countries.

We have seen America, a majority Christian country produce the most significant science advances in history.

We see atheistic China stealing that knowledge.

And, in addition to your lie about Islam and Christianity, you fail to explain this;

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/J...

Once again, you present only unvalidated, ignorant, bigoted opinion.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#94861 Dec 21, 2013
Toby wrote:
The Earth rotated much faster billions of years ago, so a day was really about 8 hours, which means that according to the Bible the World was then created in 48 hours and then rested for eight hours. So really church should be on Wednesday and held at least twice a week right?
That or Jesus rode a dinosaur into Jerusalem
Lets see.

The first verse describes the Big Bang theory.

Life is created out of the earth.

The earliest human existence was a simple genderless life.

But specifically to your claim, on what 'day' was the sun and moon placed? The fourth? Creates a major problem for your claim, doesn't it???

Perhaps the 'day' being used was the day of the Creator, since the passage ends with Him resting on His seventh day. Oh, and the Bible says,

2 Peter 3:8 (NASB)
But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#94862 Dec 21, 2013
Toby wrote:
There is no scientific method that advocates supernatural causation, so what does that say about the Old Testament also? Two adherents to monotheistic religions arguing over which anthropomorphic God and religious text to be the genuinely scientifically accurate one, is like two legless men, both involved in an imaginary race explaining which victory was the genuine one.
So explain the description of radiation when Moses was given the Law. Not to mention the presence of a hovering craft leading them through the desert. Or more importantly, the fact that they are the only culture has maintained it's identity, with distinction, as promised by God.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#94863 Dec 21, 2013
Toby wrote:
America has the highest belief in (the Deeble) of all developed nations, one of our Supreme Court Justices even says he believes in a literal devil, what a national embarrassment. The American hillbilly Taliban should feel proud
Um, you might want to look at the state of the union, not to mention every other measurable segment of American health to see what is happening as we 'cast off' our religious heritage.

According to you, things should be much better, right?

Smirk.

“Religion kills”

Since: Jun 13

Down Under

#94864 Dec 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Who says that there are "only" two people on this thread, who call Sodomy and lebianism as Sin?
You are telling this white lie on this open thread?
Have no fear from your fellow correspondents?
You're the main two on here, that's the truth. Apart from Bob, who we all know is as mad as two bob watch.

Of the antis, you're the only sane one here.

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